@@ForceInEvHorizon Idk I would still rather get a 750$ 7900xt over a 800$ 4070ti, a 930$ 7900xtx over a 1130$ 4080, and a 260$ 7600 over a 300$ 4060. Though for the last two I wouldn't buy either of them for any reason
Sure it’s worth it, at $200. It’s a 50 tier die with 50 tier bandwidth and 50 tier V ram and 50 tier power draw. Even the 3060 should have been the real 3050. Had the 4060 came out in 2022 at this price, it would have been great as a 350 refresh to compete with the 6650xt
@@JasonWitmerYT Biased or not, how are you gonna deny the 6700xt's performance per dollar vs the 4060? Hell, even the 4070 and 6950xt. Sure they had some driver hiccups, but man people will go green over red for the silliest reasons
No one denied the raster performance/dollar of the 6700XT, but seems like a lot of people are denying the value of AV1, DLSS, raytracing, frame generation, and 100W lower power draw. I generally don't value these things at that much, but some people do, and I don't think it's fair in any way to say those are worth $0
@@johnathonready9347 power draw? biased or not, chiplet on radeon cards caused them to chug more power than nvidia, regardless of technology it has. Idle wattage is terrible ngl
@@johnathonready9347 4070 and 6950 XT is a bad example especially in Europe. The power draw difference is huge. If the 6950 XT was going to cause me $150 more to run than a 4070, it swings the advantage into the 4070 side.
If the RTX 4060 had 12 GB of memory, even at $330, I would buy it. Without the memory, it is a no go. I bought an RX 6700XT for $320 this week for my buddies build I am working on...
all it really does is guarantee planned obsolescence with the next gen of GPU's having their own proprietary tech. Even worse, AMD is now shutting out DLSS from AMD sponsored games; so now you're stuck in the prospect that a GPU can do fine in one title while doing so much worse in another, with no way to predict such.
im most worried that this ''performance'' becomes nothing when nvidia release dlss 4.0 or whatever they want to shill to promote 5000 cards. And automatically stop everyone working on support on last year tech.
I'll reccomend getting the 6700XT, for the performance and vram. Sure the 4060 could be a good card for it's price, but four more gigs of vram does the talking, and with newer games, the 6700XT will have a gap ahead the 4060, unless the 4060 gets performance updates.
Great point on pricing, but I am a bit disappointed on how close performance is on the 3060. I think the memory bus nerf is my biggest issue with the 4060.
Would have been interesting to see some testing using PCIe gen 3. Frame generation is an intriguing prospect for people still using gen 3 hardware, but I've seen videos that report the 4060 performs poorly using gen 3.
Im actually considering buying 4060 to upgrade from my 1660s. In Ireland for example gpus are more expensive compared to rest of Europe. I have checked many shops here and this are cheapest online that are located in Ireland 3060 would start from 310e, rx7600 325e, rx6700 from 350e with xt over 400e. While i found 4060 at 335e. So considering prices here, it might not be worst buy. To add to that, Electricity price, with 45c per kw gaming 3h per day, yearly saving compared to rx6700 xt would be about 50e. If i would keep card 4 years (good enough for World of tanks), i would save about 220 euros compared to rx6700xt . My other options are rx6600 about 230e, or rx6650xt about 290e. While im "amd" fan boy or at least i wish they would do well, my main casern is stutter with amd GPUs that i have experienced before with rx 580 card. I would love to buy AMD card and support underdog, but other than pure stats on screen, any experience from actually smoothness of gameplay you lads have? With fact in mind that all cards above would be easy good enough for World of Tanks for next 3-4 years (i still max out game at 1440p with 1660s no problem) what card would you personally recommend. One thing, while i have no problem spending more than that, i dont like throwing money away, and due to pc location i prefer sub-200 wat cards , Thanks for any imput
All of these cards pale in comparison to the 6700XT. It's the only real 1440p card, the only one that can work at the full speed of the pci-e slot (16 vs. 8 gen 4). The results you are getting here are very confusing, the 6700 is vastly more powerful than any of these cards, these results you got can not be accurate. It is nearly as good in some games and in others far superior to a 3070....you did something wrong here Danny.
@@nerdonabudget From what I'm seeing, just about all of them. I've seen so many 6700 videos comparing it to a 3070, especially lately, that there's no way the card you used performed as poorly as it's being portrayed here. It should smite the 4060, not just beat it "just barely". To say it isn't that good would be to say that the 4060 can compete with, or even be better than a 3070...I'm sorry Danny, you know that's not possible. Maybe it was your game selection, maybe the 6700 you have isn't up to snuff, whichever it is this is not how a normal 6700XT performs, it's so much better than this.
I just looked at the HUB review, the 6700 XT is only 13% faster in 1080p and 18% faster in 1440p, which is about 15% faster across both resolutions than the 4060, which is about consistent with my findings and conclusion. Which videos are you referring to specifically so I can check them out
@@nerdonabudget Daniel Owen: ua-cam.com/video/9O7Ij5rOqso/v-deo.html Right now, this is the one I'm going with since it's a real comparison between the two cards. Most other reviewers haven't done a head to head with just these two cards. Give it another week, lol. As far as comparing the 6700XT to the 4060Ti, there are many of those, and they are just about neck and neck with the 6700XT coming out on top in value costing nearly $100 less than that card. For $10-20 more than the 4060 the 6700XT is simply the better card, and by a larger margin than you gave it credit for. I'm sticking to my guns on this one as I've been using a 6700XT since it's launch and the drivers are all but perfect on it now. My work computer has a 3070 and it's almost the same as my gaming rig with the only real difference being the video card. My whole point here is that if the 6700XT can beat a 3070, there's no way a 4060 is going to even come close, the margins you achieved here are off by quite a bit. I suggest you try a head to head based on fresh drivers and see what comes of it.
So I went through Daniel's video that you sent me, and ran his numbers in this spreadsheet (excluding raytracing and upscaling because that might give the 4060 an advantage) and he gets the exact same average % performance difference that I said in my video: the RTX 4060 is 15% slower than the RX 6700 XT docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lesMWqNzHELu0RXUE3vX5Bilhyuove8PKK3DTh_wn5E/edit#gid=0 So I'm not sure why you think my game selection, my 6700XT, or anything else I did was wrong. The objective numbers were given in front of you by two different reviewers, one of which you just said was the only source you trust right now. Actually, that's 3 total reviewers now that have similar numbers, as myself, Daniel, and HUB show results that conclude 4060 being 15% slower on average in rasterization then the RX 6700 XT. I haven't gone through every reviewers video to do this exercise, but I have a strong feeling if I did, we'd end up with a ballpark of ~15% as the performance difference. Looking forward to your response, as I do value you as a viewer as you've been a supporter of my channel for a many years, but I think you may be influenced by this mob mentality of completely crapping on Nvidia and AMD no matter what instead of objectively looking at raw data
Great Video very thorough Breakdown mate. Yeah wish Nvidia did 4050 6GB $150-200 4050 TI 8GB $200-250 4060 12GB $300-350 4060 Ti 16GB $400-450 Price Ranges. Better Luck Next Time Nvidia 1440P HD Textures needs 12GB Bare Minimum. AMD has RX 7600 8GB at $260-280 AV1 + FSR hope they get 12 or 16GB RX 7600 XT. RX 6700XT is still 1440P King at $300.
With all the talk about VRAM, the one thing I haven't really seen, is someone taking the time to show what settings you need to run in order to make these 8 gig cards play those games that need the higher VRAM to run at max settings. Honestly, most of the time, you won't notice the difference between high and max settings, so it would be nice to know how much lower than that we would need to be in order to get a good experience on these 8 gig cards. Can we still get most of the image quality by tweaking a few things into medium? Do we need to actually reduce quality? I know an 8 gig card won't be great at max settings on certain games, and that's only going to get worse in the next few years, but are we all upset over just needing to drop image quality to high instead of max? Or are we upset because we would actually have to reduce the quality to noticeable point?
99% OF THE VRAM ISSUES on the 8gb cards everyone is talking about is them using full maxed out ultra settings most of those same games all u have to do is turn down to high. i have a 3060ti and i play last of us quite often on high in 1440p and run benchmark numbers and have yet to hit the 8gb limit. tbh people are just bitching to be bitching about something that 90% of gamers dont actually use on a daily basis which is ultra settings just trying to force issues imo.
@@Booth73 That is honestly what I had assumed. I am looking to upgrade at some point since I have a 1650 Super, but then all the talk about 8 gigs not being enough started and I was wondering if I needed to somehow come up with enough money to get like 12 or 16 gigs of VRAM...and since I'm on disability, that would be a pretty big challenge compared to just upgrading to a decent 8 gig card, especially if I go the used route. Thanks for the info!
That is a VERY good deal, congrats on the score! Used parts will pretty much always beat new parts on value per dollar, and I recommend them all the time personally, but for reviews of newly launched products I usually don't lean on them too heavily as it's not an apples to apples comparison
It's good if you want to upgrade a 3 or even 5 year old PC without changing the CPU, I have an i5-8600 with rtx 3060 12Gb and it does the job. The RTX 4060 is not much more stronger. But I wouldn't use it for a new PC.
I am not really concerned about Ray Tracing, even on high end cards, it is still a bit of a gimmick. I also prefer to turn it off, and have higher settings. If Ray Tracing is your thing, the 4060 with frame generation is the card for you, otherwise, spend $20 more on the 6700 XT for the horsepower, or save same cash and go with the not that much slower 7600.
Second this! 6000 series is definitely your best bet for VR gaming! I was considering buying a 7600 for VR, but with the driver issues that AMD has for those cards in VR workloads, I’ve decided to stay away from them for now!
i think everyone is better off going last gen unless they can afford a 4080 or 4090 i ended up getting a 3080 for 400 and think ill stick with that until next gen
I use a 34" 3440x1440 with a 6700xt and 12700k and almost all games I'm able to score 70+ fps high settings besides shadows medium. Im pretty happy even at the $400 price i bought mine in February
if it came with 12gb of vram it could pretty easily be one of their better offerings in the current market but they just chose to not and instead it performs close to a 7600 for way more now
@@JahidulIslam it performs really closely to the 7600 in most games and worse in some which for an extra 50 bucks more at that price range is just terrible
@@theonelad3028 the kind of games I generally play, 4060 is performing better than 7600. It is also power efficient and I can use same old PSU. Can't say that for AMD 7600.
They probably gonna release that version next year. There's a rumor that the RTX 5000 series is going to be released in 2025. They gonna need something to release and milk the market in 2024. Most definitely comes with increased memory bandwith too like the 3060 8GB 128-bit vs 12GB 192-bit. Scummy practice.
@@JahidulIslam so the psu requirements for the 4060 vs the 7600 is non existent lmao like maybe 50 watts at most but regardless the price to performance difference between the 7600 and 4060 is just sad. All Nvidia had to do was add 4 gb of vram and it would been pretty damn close to worth it. Regardless both suck neither care about the consumers
spent 900 on a 3080 12gb ... because my buddy needed a card and I sold him my 3070 for 300... I'll be holding my '80 until all this nonsense calms TF down. $1300 for an 80 series is dumb.
Discord squad! Would be interesting to see this GPU be reworked for a low power model that doesn't need external power, considering how efficient it can be
The RTX 4060 is indeed the best value of the 40 series cards yet. Thst doesn't mean is grest value, heck, I would argue is just barely ok value. I understand why you think this card is good, even great value but I disagree and here sre my points: 1.- It is basically zero generation over generation improvement. The GTX 1060 is on par with the 980, the RTX 2060 is really close to the 1080 and the RTX 3060 is slightly better than a 2070. Each generation from the last three generations the 60 class card has made at least one jump in tiers. And lets be honest, it is not like we have reach a limit or something since the halo card of the 40 series (4090) is on another level compared with the 3090. The 4060 is just s 3060 with DLSS, wich means it is a card with the same level of performance as a 5 year old card (since the 3060 is about the same level of raster performance with rhe 2070), with awful limitations on the memory bandwidth (8GB and a 128-bit bus). To me this makes me wonder about the longevity of the card, and as far as I see this card will be relegated to 1080 medium/low with FSR or DLSS in the next two years or less. 2.- Over-reliance in DLSS. While the technology is really impressive, and I can't wait to see if Nintendo will use an Nvidia SoC for their Switch successor with DLSS and Frame generation, it is snakeoil for most PC games since rhe developer is required to implement it themselves. If DLSS and frame generation was able to be implemented at the hardware or driver level to be used in any game then I think this upgrage would not be as bad as it is. But since you don't know if the next game you want to play will implement it then I would argue is a mute point to use DLSS+Frame Gen as a big selling point. By all means, it can do impressive stuff like running Cyberpunk at max quality + RT, but it is something only a handful of games will use. Also, something that I really gets into my nerves is how no-one talks about how does the game FEEL to play with frame gen active, since from what I've heard Frame Generation increases latency by a lot. I want someone to try the same game at the same framerate, one instance with Frame Gen and the other without it and tell how different they feel to play. I can play games at 40-ish frames but I can't play games with high input latency. If Frame Gen is basically like playing a game st 20 FPS then is a useless feature to me. 3.- Pricing. While the 4060 has a lower MSRP than the 3060 it is not necessary a good thing, since you could neven find the 3060 at MSRP the vast majority of the time. Beside this, each new generation offered better price/performance than the last, and like I said on the first point, this is not the case. The value on the Graphics card market feels stagnant and this card is not the exception. 4.- Extra bells and whistles. Yes Nvidia is basically your only option if you do render work besides gaming, their cuda core integration on software like Blender, Solidworks etc is something AMD nor Intel cand compare to. But like I said with DLSS, these are basically extra add ons that not apply to everyone. If you require an nvidia card for your workflow and some gaming then I would argue to get a 3060 TI or a 3070 and you would get better performance/longevity than with this card, at least st this price point of $300 USD. If you require AV1 I would probably say either go for an A750 or wait for the 7700/7800 or try to look for an used 4070 5.- The consumers at large are tired of being ripped off. We had almost three years of awful prices on the GPU market. Yes, a lot of people bought the scapled cards at absurdly high prices, but they did it since otherwise they would have gone mad being stuck at hope unable to do something. I understand the general anger at people who bought scalped cards, but we have to remember that those are the victims, not the culprits of the sky high prices. The comunuty was already uneased for the last three years, it was time to get a win, to feel that we could get a really nice deal but seems like Nvidia and AMD are dead set to give us the worst deals even. On top of that we are in the midst of a global recession... again and most folks cannot afford their hobbies, you know, one of the few enjoyments of their life at this time. Nvidia and AMD had the opportunity to do go to us, the consumers, and so far they have chosen not to do so. I would only recommend this card at $230-240 usd as cheap upgrade to a Pascal/Polaris card, otherwise, forget it, it is not really worth it for the vast majority of consumers. This card does have a place, it just most of the time the place if the csrd is the recycle bin.
Yes, I am that fool, I play with Ray Tracing. It has better lighting and reflections than rasterized equivalents, and if you're playing above 60fps, you're fine. I'll even go so far to be blasphemous and say if you're at 45fps you're still fine in a non-competitive game. (Waiting for all the hate that will come for saying that.) Overall outlook remains the same, if you want RT buy Nvidia, if you don't, buy AMD. Then, buy what's in your budget and if isn't, don't buy it.
Danny I believe NVIDIA missed a good opportunity to shine. If they would have named that card as a RTX4050 I believe it would have been received Positively. Even with the $300 price tag. Due to the bad reviews of the RTX 3050. Team Red beet that card hands down with the RX 6600 cards with 8g ram too. If they would have named that card 4050 folks would not have the expectations they had. NVIDIA could had made a truthful boast in performance improvements and would have been reviewed positively even with the 8g ram arguments we have seen with reviewers . I know they can name their cards any way they want. Just in this case the goofed. Like in that old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon the gaggle of NVIDIA got shot with the goof gun. It was not Boris and Natasha who did it.
@@nerdonabudget then he will at least have a bigger upgrade and can save money to do a major upgrade overall. Long game it is a win, but not short term
meanwhile it has been proven that the actual power consumption of the 4060 cards is deliberately disguised/incorrectly output😌 so that the software cannot read it out beyond the wrong👎🏻 information and is actually on average 25-30 watts higher !! This was found out by Igorslab and there is also an article in English and German available on their website. This is intentional customer miss information by 🤢Ngreedia🤮 and makes all their marketing slides obsolete.😌👍🏻
i would pay $175 usd if it came with a 480 bit bus and 48GB of vramage. more coodie cores, pls. rocm socm now. my new corolla is slower than my old corolla, but its new with new stuff.
I've decided to get some more time on my AM4 board. I started with a 2700x paired with the 2060. Yesterday I went with a 5600x. This CPU with a better card should keep me going for another few years. Then i can splurge for a new $2500 system. Until then I need a video card. Tough call for something that's pretty much temporary.
@@samiunnabi2482 Asrock Master SLI/ac x470. Had to upgrade the BIOS for the 5600x but it's all good now. Not sure about the video card yet. Since I game at 1080P, I could actually keep what I got.
Its pretty basic to me. Nvidia is cutting costs & trying to squeeze every penny out of their customers & AMD, unlike Nvidia, understands that when benchmarks are what they are, they alter their pricing to reflect that where Nvidia couldnt care less & figures if ppl are gonna continue to pay whatever we ask, the names scheme & benchmark results dont matter whatsoever to how the product holds up performance wise to the rest of the market. At least recently. Honestly the 7600 & 4060 just arent worth it. Get a 6700/50XT (depending what u can find) or a 3060ti if ur looking for a sub $400 card.
fk yea vs RX7600, but it needs +SAM to perform well is this with SAM? ? they did fix sam in the lasts AMD patch - the 7600Rx it top dog right now, 130 as it gives a 70dollars game bundle. ultimate cheap pc RN is a 7600x (+ star field ) a RX 7600 ( another starfield ) 2x70 140 dollars saved this is big - you can use one game, give the other to a friend or sell it or sell both. ( just register it for the seller on his account via your system:) 7600x 130 RX7600 180 Asrock b620 hv+ 95 32gb ddd 5 Neo. 6000 around 100. Mhz 6400 around 115 SSD. crucial t5 1tb 50 psu. Random 750 w 50 case Random 50 around total 650 and this is for a totally mid end pc DDR5 32Gb % and 7000 Ryzen 1TB SSD gen 4 - and can use +Sam to gain even more fps. if no or old case/psu/16gb ram/ssd even more cheap around 500 dollars you can also buy a 6700non or (xt) and get a 100 premium starfield bundle proberly even find rebates on newegg or parts picker and get it under 600 all new
I bought rx 6600 for 100 bucks offerup I’m happy with it I upgrade it GTX 1070. Plus I’m on the budget byside I only played warzone 2.0. If I have more fund I will get 6700 xt.
Why buy 4060 1 way beter rtx than any amd card so if you want to play single player titles and have fun and graphics go for it 2 power efficient and silent the main key point no overheating and all 3 the dlss and frame gen is absolutely game changing double fps 4 the ai tech like nvidia broadcast shadow play and much more go for if you are content creator 5 better incoder for streaming recording At last the 6700xt might be getting more fps but like say truthfully you are buying a 4060 a mid range card for 1080p gaming and getting more than 60 fps in any game max settings rtx what else you need and in bet rtx on amd is terrible also freesync too so chosse wisely
Ur correct, Im new to pc building I’m building my first pc in reality I don’t even have the money but I’m learning what is better, I was convinced on getting the rx 6700 xt the problem is im not a gamer I want to make content and freelancing video editing and photoshop I want to make business out of my pc and also at the side play some games if I have some free time, yeah the rx 6700 xt row performance is good in Europe it cost’s 360 euros and the rtx 4060 costs 320 euros so the difference in row preformance is 15% but it costs also more so we can say they are equal but with invidia im getting stable drivers, invidia reflex to lower the latency to have quicker reaction time in shooter video games, dlss 3 and frame generation will double the fps, I will get the Av1 encoder plus the invidia encoder, I made my mind with evidences that the rtx 4060 is the most logical choice for me and my needs. Thanks for ypur comment I wasn’t really sure what to do.
@@Abdullah______ sure indeed Aslo if you pair and gpu with amd cpu then you can use its full potential but the newer amd cpu are no match for Intel's 13 gen maybe go with a 13400f or 13500
@@BeastlondaGaming For the cpu I can't really do that much my big brother wants to get the rayzen 9 5900x 12 cores this cpu has been discounted to -50% so I think it's a good deal.
This gpu is just bad.. it seems ok but when things start to be demanding it fails badly. Remides me on rtx 3050.. There are bunch of second hand rtx 3070s for that money, even 3060ti for 50$ less with guaranties in great conditions. All of them run laps around it, esc in 1440p.. With AMD i woulnt buy anything less powerfull than rx 6800, for 1440p future proof gpu.
Im gonna be honest. This is an acceptable card for a casual gamer who will build a pc for the first time, someone that will play less demanding games like cod, fortnite or overwatch. If you're someone who had a 3060 and wanted to upgrade....... this card is a complete joke and waste of energy
Lol, imagine thinking I'm an Nvidia simpchannel, you clearly don't know my long history of recommending AMD over Nvidia. Good thing about this card is it can help us filter out people who can objectively look at data vs those who just join the mob mentality. Thx RTX 4060
If it had 12GB of VRAM or was priced cheaper, I’d definitely consider it. For now this ain’t a no go. 💀 This was a missed opportunity from NVIDIA to make a 12GB card that can perform better than some other cards out there. No amount of extra megabytes added to the L2 cache will replace cutting down on gigabytes worth of VRAM.
Bro these nvidia and amd fanboys sucks. All they do is jump with the bandwagons of big tech tubers who are not right all the time. They can't think for themselves. For me 4060 is acceptable the only limiting factor is the vram but its performance and energy efficiency is great. The 4060 ti 8gb version is the one not acceptable. I watch zwormz, daniel owen, tech yes city they approve 4060 but they also mention that there are better options and deals with past cards which I agree. This amd gpu fanboys thinks that all amd cards nowadays are better heck rx 7600 is garbage too just because its price is lower but they are selling it high at first. 😂
Buy the 4060! At least that's what I'm going to do. For two reasons: 1. Play all games at 1080p. 2. Energy consumption below 150 watts. Yes, I care about the environment and the climate. Since no other card can do this, it was a no-brainer for me.
Did I defend its value in an unfair way? I said it's not worth it if all you care about is raster. If you care about AV1, DLSS, frame gen, raytracing, and power efficiency, then you're paying about a $30 premium for it compared to the very popular and widely praised 6700XT
Thank you for the blender/premiere tests. Most people focus only on the FPS so it's nice to see someone thinking of the ones who are more worried about work! haha
bruh, you have got subscriber for life! how everyone is convincing to buy 6700 xt but you provided us with most important information is 30$ or "xyz" dollar is worth for those features i had say 100%, FSR is nomatch for dlss (dlss looks sharp/good/preferred) frame generation would only improve with updates and its already looking good and beating 6700 xt and atlast, 100w less power consumption means... more saving, also you can get away with 500w PSU on rtx 4060 but you will require 600w or 650w psu on 6700xt which will cost additional 20 usd! not everyone plays games some of us also use computer for work and amd is never preferred in such critical task some of the application only runs on cuda/tensor core
Fair enough review Danny 👍😇. You’ve made some decent arguments for the RTX4060 and Rx6700XT. But as we’ve seen memory issues are ‘starting’ to come into play here with badly optimised titles etc and higher texture packs coming out in titles by game devs or community mods etc and if you want to playa game at launch 🚀 these days Vram is essential for more budget end gamers imo 😇😃👍. For some of us with higher end gpus this isn’t as much a problem as we can brute force our way through. Unfortunately I believe this generation of gpus were created under the guise of it still being a mining GPU crazy with ridiculous prices and gpus being bought regardless of performance at very high prices …… this isn’t the case and manufacturers (both AMD and Nvidia…..not so much Intel) are going to have to cut GPU prices to get interest and sales. Atm, they’re not which is bad imo.
I've been somewhat out of the loop when it comes to the latest PC releases/news ever since my daughter was born, but your uploads keep me updated and sane during sleepless nights. I can't thank you enough for that Danny.
how much should it cost? everything should be free. duhhhhh Joking aside, if we strictly talking about "upgrading" then any upgrade beyond a gtx 1080 for 1080p gaming if just stupid at this time. The smart thing to do is to wait and see in which direction the "gaming" industry is going. We still don't know if DLSS3 keep on getting implemented(erhm...AMD sponsored titles), or game keep on getting more CPU bottleneck resulting in 30fps lock, or if 1080p gaming really need more than 8gb of VRAM(erhm...AMD sponsored titles again?). Although so far AAA games have slowly implemented RT so it safe to assume that company/developer are seeing potential with RT and they intent on using RT even more.
I just got a 4060 and I would warn people buying this card for frame generation. It doubles the input lag, it's more of an experimental feature imo right now (october 2023). Crazy high fps but along with crazy high input lag. Not worth it. You can see the input lag with the Nvidia performance monitoring with geforce experience. The AV1 codec is probably worth it but I have no experience with the feature. Also, the VRS feature for upscaling videos does not look that great in my opinion, even in it's best quality. The feature would actually be useful if it could track how much ethernet bandwidth you are using but the feature can only be switched on of off. It defeats the purpose in my opinion. Native video still looks better than videos upscaled with VRS. This feature would be very useful to me if it was well implemented because I have cheap internet but videos can sometime stop when I use a lot of download bandwidth at the same time. I think the 4060 vram bandwidth is too small for 1440p. I will probably return the card. Nvidia cards also seem to have random flashing of the taskbar or videos in windows.
the price nvidia charges for releasing new tech that is, mostly, supported for 1 or 2 years has NO VALUE for me. so ill price like the 4050 it really is. Just a card with 2 years free of whatever tech they shill during its release. Then , in 2 years? discontinued, no one support it anymore, etc. Dlss 3.0 and frame generation are not BAD tech at all. But nvidia, just like apple, arent gonna give us tech that works on the future, just enough to make us click the buy button, and job done. they are mostly abandonware , like raytracing adoption is abysmal, as bad as 4k displays on pc.
People do not get w hybwe buy these cards. We. Are upgrading from mid-end to the range where it suits the needs, plus some people need NVIDIA for very specific needs.
Getting a AMD better Price performance graphics card in a lower price Intel for for streaming that would work also I guess I've heard of that if you have two slots for your motherboard and the power supply for both me personally I don't know what to think about the entire situation except CEOs and CFOs are paid way too much they just keep wanting more and more for free that's called a bum
I think for $300 Nvidia should have given this card more power... but then it would perform too well and make the 4060ti (and its 16gb version) look really bad for their price. They really tried to gouge the market but had to reshuffle the pack a bit and now its being revealed just how stupid their lineup is. I say let them shove it and see how the 50 series looks when they launch it.
@@aquatix5273 thats the problem my friend. traditionally a 60 class card comes in at about 150 watts. But at that power usage it would perform too well for $300, so they gimp it and try to sell the idea of "power efficiency" and "the more you buy the more you save." In the end they knowingly sell you less and get you to believe you're getting more for your money. Power saving isnt a selling point of this card, its exactly what holds it back.
@qT_p13 Saving $50-$70 (converted) a year over a direct competitor (RX 7600) is a good strength. Also, the traditional "150W" is an inaccurate way to describe 60 series cards. The GTX 260 was 182W. The GTX 460 was 160W. The GTX 560 was 150W. The GTX 660 was 140W. The GTX 760 was either 140W or 170W due to having two different versions. The GTX 960 and GTX 1060 were both 120W. To then begin dramatically increasing wattage as the easy way out to get impressive performance improvements was criticized for reviews of the RTX 2060 and RTX 3060. Likewise, decreasing die size may also be a worthy criticism for this series of card as the easy way out.
@@aquatix5273 Just be aware that a 450 watt 4090 and a 320 watt 4080 exists in this lineup. They could easily boost the power to 150 and basically your 4060ti is your 4060. But no, power efficiency is clearly what Nvidia was going for.
The best thing to happen becausde of the 4060 release and the 4060 ti is the fact that the previous gen cards are going to be more affordable for budget builds
I would argue some of them might actually raise in price for the fact they benchmark better... we'll have to see. Would not be shocked in the least if u see 6700xt/3060ti price hike cuz ppl will want to buy them over the 4060/7600s. Time will tell
Yea I agree here, I wouldn't be surprised if the 6700XT and 6650XT prices will increase a tad in the coming weeks/months because of how good value they are right now
@@nerdonabudget precisely my thinking. i mean, it doesnt make much sense for it to be any other way really. if they get even cheaper, stock will be almost non existent which, naturally, would skyrocket prices cuz of the crazy demand and such little supply. so yeah, its either the market doesnt move much at all & it stays basically the same, or we're to see some rate of increase in price for those higher spec last gen models with such "meh" benchmarking and reviews of this release. At least AMD recognizes the performance reality and lowered prices not once, but twice on their release. I would be SHOCKED if Nvidia does anything in that direction whatsoever. i still dont get how even mid/low tier offerings are still all about optimizing 1080p like everything else has moved on to at least 1440p & even 4k is becoming more and more common and more mainstream & affordable across many tech industries. Graphics card releases still pushin 1080p max optimal is rly sad for growth of cards. at least thats how i feel about it
G'day Danny, How much do nVIDIA's features like DLSS & Frame Generation, AMDs FSR & intel XESS matter to me as a value? $0.00 Not at all. I was a Printer for my Career, to me Image Quality is more important & these features reduce Image Quality, I would much rather have 30-60fps at High + High Textures than higher fps sacrificing Image Quality. The side by side you did with FG On in CP2077 I don't care that at the same setting fps was up to 45% higher as you might as well have just left FG OFF & changed the settings to 540p Low, because that is how horrible it looked in comparison to the others for me. The Biggest problem for nVIDIA 50-60 is that after some huge Rasterization gains in the 4080/90 over 3080/90 this was expected for all of 4000 & it has not materialised. Oh & the Original 3060 having 12GB VRAM while 4060 only has 8GB. For Tech Channels I think the biggest problem for new GPU Reviews atm is that there are still so many last Gen midrange-low end models in abundance at discounted prices & so reviewers can't just compare new Gen at RRP/MSRP to Performance of the same SKU last Gen, like 7600 is about 30% faster & 10% cheaper than 6600 at RRP/MSRP, Why isn't that good? Because of so many Higher Spec Last Gen GPUs at Sale Prices. Production was behind demand due to Work at Home over the internet & GPU Mining over the last 3 yrs then demand dropped of very quickly as people went back to the office & Mining Hardware shifted leaving way too many 2020/21 GPUs available with hardly anyone wanting them, because when you read comments to reviews instead of gamers wanting to buy those "Old" GPUs that they were crying it wasn't fair they couldn't buy previously that are now in abundance at RRP/MSRP or lower they are now not good enough because they are "Last Gen" & expect 2022/23 GPUs to have 2x performance at 50% of last Gens Clearance Sale prices & those people in comments are just spwewing 🐮💩 about the past to justify it, it's Willful Ignorance just like all the Lies FanBois tell to justify that what they like is the best even when it isn't.
the worst for me is that the jump from the 3060 to the 4060 is almost none existent. jump from 1060 to 2060 was huge. jump frtom 2060 to 3060 was huge. everyone who skipped the 3060 to get a 4060 is crying now ... its so sad
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I bought the rx 6700xt for 309 bucks at Newegg earlier this month. Much better buy than any nvidia card right now.
Absolutely. I went for a 6950xt.
Going for a 6750xt next week, AMD is dominanting
@@jhowgx you mean USED/OLD AMD is dominating... the 7000 series is fkn garbage
@@ForceInEvHorizon Idk I would still rather get a 750$ 7900xt over a 800$ 4070ti, a 930$ 7900xtx over a 1130$ 4080, and a 260$ 7600 over a 300$ 4060. Though for the last two I wouldn't buy either of them for any reason
I got 6700xt for $220 a few months ago. Nvidia is so overpriced here.
Sure it’s worth it, at $200. It’s a 50 tier die with 50 tier bandwidth and 50 tier V ram and 50 tier power draw. Even the 3060 should have been the real 3050. Had the 4060 came out in 2022 at this price, it would have been great as a 350 refresh to compete with the 6650xt
Your name is literally a slur against the company you're speaking about lol definitely not biased
@@JasonWitmerYT Biased or not, how are you gonna deny the 6700xt's performance per dollar vs the 4060? Hell, even the 4070 and 6950xt. Sure they had some driver hiccups, but man people will go green over red for the silliest reasons
No one denied the raster performance/dollar of the 6700XT, but seems like a lot of people are denying the value of AV1, DLSS, raytracing, frame generation, and 100W lower power draw. I generally don't value these things at that much, but some people do, and I don't think it's fair in any way to say those are worth $0
@@johnathonready9347 power draw? biased or not, chiplet on radeon cards caused them to chug more power than nvidia, regardless of technology it has. Idle wattage is terrible ngl
@@johnathonready9347 4070 and 6950 XT is a bad example especially in Europe. The power draw difference is huge.
If the 6950 XT was going to cause me $150 more to run than a 4070, it swings the advantage into the 4070 side.
Its NOT a rtx4060 its a rtx4050 in a rtx4060 box
Rt 4030
stay mad
Making 480p gaming great again!
@@NGreedia ok you’re actually braindead
@@chrisakpede no reason to be mad, the card isn’t selling anyways.
If the RTX 4060 had 12 GB of memory, even at $330, I would buy it. Without the memory, it is a no go. I bought an RX 6700XT for $320 this week for my buddies build I am working on...
That my issue too, if it can't max out 1080p today, what's it gonna look like in 2 years
why would you need more vram on weak gpu?
@@sergeygorbov3955 because that "weak" GPU can't max games out with 8 gigs of VRAM but can with 16 gigs..
@@sjfrazier0410 well...4060ti 16gb proved it cant..
@@sergeygorbov3955 under what conditions? Settings? Configuration? What game?
I'd rather have solid hardware...than "magical" software...they're giving us half, for FULL price.
all it really does is guarantee planned obsolescence with the next gen of GPU's having their own proprietary tech. Even worse, AMD is now shutting out DLSS from AMD sponsored games; so now you're stuck in the prospect that a GPU can do fine in one title while doing so much worse in another, with no way to predict such.
im most worried that this ''performance'' becomes nothing when nvidia release dlss 4.0 or whatever they want to shill to promote 5000 cards. And automatically stop everyone working on support on last year tech.
I just upgraded my RTX3060 12GB to a RX6950XT 16GB and am so happy with the performance!
I'll reccomend getting the 6700XT, for the performance and vram. Sure the 4060 could be a good card for it's price, but four more gigs of vram does the talking, and with newer games, the 6700XT will have a gap ahead the 4060, unless the 4060 gets performance updates.
I just paid 375 for a used 3080 instead of a new 4060, im not dissapointed
375!? Where, I paid 350 for my 3070
It should cost $250 @ the most
Great point on pricing, but I am a bit disappointed on how close performance is on the 3060. I think the memory bus nerf is my biggest issue with the 4060.
Would have been interesting to see some testing using PCIe gen 3. Frame generation is an intriguing prospect for people still using gen 3 hardware, but I've seen videos that report the 4060 performs poorly using gen 3.
I plan on covering that soon!
I'm wondering if something is going on with your test system I'm/everyone else is seeing at least double digit %leads for the 6700xt
Im actually considering buying 4060 to upgrade from my 1660s. In Ireland for example gpus are more expensive compared to rest of Europe. I have checked many shops here and this are cheapest online that are located in Ireland 3060 would start from 310e, rx7600 325e, rx6700 from 350e with xt over 400e. While i found 4060 at 335e. So considering prices here, it might not be worst buy. To add to that, Electricity price, with 45c per kw gaming 3h per day, yearly saving compared to rx6700 xt would be about 50e. If i would keep card 4 years (good enough for World of tanks), i would save about 220 euros compared to rx6700xt . My other options are rx6600 about 230e, or rx6650xt about 290e. While im "amd" fan boy or at least i wish they would do well, my main casern is stutter with amd GPUs that i have experienced before with rx 580 card. I would love to buy AMD card and support underdog, but other than pure stats on screen, any experience from actually smoothness of gameplay you lads have? With fact in mind that all cards above would be easy good enough for World of Tanks for next 3-4 years (i still max out game at 1440p with 1660s no problem) what card would you personally recommend. One thing, while i have no problem spending more than that, i dont like throwing money away, and due to pc location i prefer sub-200 wat cards , Thanks for any imput
I just got the 4060 upgrade from 1050ti will def be worth it.
This is like buying a gtx 960 2gb, or a gtx 1060 3gb back in the day... Medium textures will be your best friends.
Get a 6700xt instead, for about the same money
From a good seller feedback, i'd buy a used RTX 2080 SUPER. Cheaper and maybe still faster without DLSS frame gen on Vs the RTX 4060.
All of these cards pale in comparison to the 6700XT. It's the only real 1440p card, the only one that can work at the full speed of the pci-e slot (16 vs. 8 gen 4). The results you are getting here are very confusing, the 6700 is vastly more powerful than any of these cards, these results you got can not be accurate. It is nearly as good in some games and in others far superior to a 3070....you did something wrong here Danny.
Which results specifically?
@@nerdonabudget From what I'm seeing, just about all of them. I've seen so many 6700 videos comparing it to a 3070, especially lately, that there's no way the card you used performed as poorly as it's being portrayed here. It should smite the 4060, not just beat it "just barely". To say it isn't that good would be to say that the 4060 can compete with, or even be better than a 3070...I'm sorry Danny, you know that's not possible. Maybe it was your game selection, maybe the 6700 you have isn't up to snuff, whichever it is this is not how a normal 6700XT performs, it's so much better than this.
I just looked at the HUB review, the 6700 XT is only 13% faster in 1080p and 18% faster in 1440p, which is about 15% faster across both resolutions than the 4060, which is about consistent with my findings and conclusion. Which videos are you referring to specifically so I can check them out
@@nerdonabudget Daniel Owen: ua-cam.com/video/9O7Ij5rOqso/v-deo.html
Right now, this is the one I'm going with since it's a real comparison between the two cards. Most other reviewers haven't done a head to head with just these two cards. Give it another week, lol. As far as comparing the 6700XT to the 4060Ti, there are many of those, and they are just about neck and neck with the 6700XT coming out on top in value costing nearly $100 less than that card. For $10-20 more than the 4060 the 6700XT is simply the better card, and by a larger margin than you gave it credit for. I'm sticking to my guns on this one as I've been using a 6700XT since it's launch and the drivers are all but perfect on it now. My work computer has a 3070 and it's almost the same as my gaming rig with the only real difference being the video card. My whole point here is that if the 6700XT can beat a 3070, there's no way a 4060 is going to even come close, the margins you achieved here are off by quite a bit. I suggest you try a head to head based on fresh drivers and see what comes of it.
So I went through Daniel's video that you sent me, and ran his numbers in this spreadsheet (excluding raytracing and upscaling because that might give the 4060 an advantage) and he gets the exact same average % performance difference that I said in my video: the RTX 4060 is 15% slower than the RX 6700 XT
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lesMWqNzHELu0RXUE3vX5Bilhyuove8PKK3DTh_wn5E/edit#gid=0
So I'm not sure why you think my game selection, my 6700XT, or anything else I did was wrong. The objective numbers were given in front of you by two different reviewers, one of which you just said was the only source you trust right now. Actually, that's 3 total reviewers now that have similar numbers, as myself, Daniel, and HUB show results that conclude 4060 being 15% slower on average in rasterization then the RX 6700 XT. I haven't gone through every reviewers video to do this exercise, but I have a strong feeling if I did, we'd end up with a ballpark of ~15% as the performance difference. Looking forward to your response, as I do value you as a viewer as you've been a supporter of my channel for a many years, but I think you may be influenced by this mob mentality of completely crapping on Nvidia and AMD no matter what instead of objectively looking at raw data
Great Video very thorough Breakdown mate. Yeah wish Nvidia did 4050 6GB $150-200 4050 TI 8GB $200-250 4060 12GB $300-350 4060 Ti 16GB $400-450 Price Ranges. Better Luck Next Time Nvidia 1440P HD Textures needs 12GB Bare Minimum. AMD has RX 7600 8GB at $260-280 AV1 + FSR hope they get 12 or 16GB RX 7600 XT. RX 6700XT is still 1440P King at $300.
4060 is not worth it... should be labeled as a 4050 first of all
If Nvidia wasn't so greedy and stupid and they put 12gb vram this card would have been great
With all the talk about VRAM, the one thing I haven't really seen, is someone taking the time to show what settings you need to run in order to make these 8 gig cards play those games that need the higher VRAM to run at max settings. Honestly, most of the time, you won't notice the difference between high and max settings, so it would be nice to know how much lower than that we would need to be in order to get a good experience on these 8 gig cards. Can we still get most of the image quality by tweaking a few things into medium? Do we need to actually reduce quality? I know an 8 gig card won't be great at max settings on certain games, and that's only going to get worse in the next few years, but are we all upset over just needing to drop image quality to high instead of max? Or are we upset because we would actually have to reduce the quality to noticeable point?
99% OF THE VRAM ISSUES on the 8gb cards everyone is talking about is them using full maxed out ultra settings most of those same games all u have to do is turn down to high. i have a 3060ti and i play last of us quite often on high in 1440p and run benchmark numbers and have yet to hit the 8gb limit. tbh people are just bitching to be bitching about something that 90% of gamers dont actually use on a daily basis which is ultra settings just trying to force issues imo.
@@Booth73 That is honestly what I had assumed. I am looking to upgrade at some point since I have a 1650 Super, but then all the talk about 8 gigs not being enough started and I was wondering if I needed to somehow come up with enough money to get like 12 or 16 gigs of VRAM...and since I'm on disability, that would be a pretty big challenge compared to just upgrading to a decent 8 gig card, especially if I go the used route. Thanks for the info!
I bought an RTX 3070 earlier this week on a local selling site for $250
I feel like I got a pretty solid deal
That is a VERY good deal, congrats on the score! Used parts will pretty much always beat new parts on value per dollar, and I recommend them all the time personally, but for reviews of newly launched products I usually don't lean on them too heavily as it's not an apples to apples comparison
It's good if you want to upgrade a 3 or even 5 year old PC without changing the CPU, I have an i5-8600 with rtx 3060 12Gb and it does the job. The RTX 4060 is not much more stronger. But I wouldn't use it for a new PC.
I am not really concerned about Ray Tracing, even on high end cards, it is still a bit of a gimmick. I also prefer to turn it off, and have higher settings. If Ray Tracing is your thing, the 4060 with frame generation is the card for you, otherwise, spend $20 more on the 6700 XT for the horsepower, or save same cash and go with the not that much slower 7600.
I wish amd was good at VR I would go with the 6700 in. A heartbeat
they are. its the 7000 series that has vr issues. 6000 series works very good with vr tho
Second this! 6000 series is definitely your best bet for VR gaming! I was considering buying a 7600 for VR, but with the driver issues that AMD has for those cards in VR workloads, I’ve decided to stay away from them for now!
The RXT 3060TI is now about $340, Still a fantastic card with a 256 bus and should stack uyp to these
i think everyone is better off going last gen unless they can afford a 4080 or 4090 i ended up getting a 3080 for 400 and think ill stick with that until next gen
At this price point, Always go for AMD cards.
I use a 34" 3440x1440 with a 6700xt and 12700k and almost all games I'm able to score 70+ fps high settings besides shadows medium. Im pretty happy even at the $400 price i bought mine in February
if it came with 12gb of vram it could pretty easily be one of their better offerings in the current market but they just chose to not and instead it performs close to a 7600 for way more now
It performs better than AMD 7600 in most games.
@@JahidulIslam it performs really closely to the 7600 in most games and worse in some which for an extra 50 bucks more at that price range is just terrible
@@theonelad3028 the kind of games I generally play, 4060 is performing better than 7600. It is also power efficient and I can use same old PSU. Can't say that for AMD 7600.
They probably gonna release that version next year. There's a rumor that the RTX 5000 series is going to be released in 2025. They gonna need something to release and milk the market in 2024. Most definitely comes with increased memory bandwith too like the 3060 8GB 128-bit vs 12GB 192-bit. Scummy practice.
@@JahidulIslam so the psu requirements for the 4060 vs the 7600 is non existent lmao like maybe 50 watts at most but regardless the price to performance difference between the 7600 and 4060 is just sad. All Nvidia had to do was add 4 gb of vram and it would been pretty damn close to worth it. Regardless both suck neither care about the consumers
spent 900 on a 3080 12gb ... because my buddy needed a card and I sold him my 3070 for 300...
I'll be holding my '80 until all this nonsense calms TF down.
$1300 for an 80 series is dumb.
That SHIT really is a 4050. It has a 128bit ram channel. Next time, Nvidia will add more and more cache, just to put in a 64bit channel!
Discord squad! Would be interesting to see this GPU be reworked for a low power model that doesn't need external power, considering how efficient it can be
a 280 dollar low power model that doesn't need external would be awesome to see but it is nvidia so unlikely
Absolutely not, especially when you can get the faster, better performing RTX 3060 Ti for about the same...
4060 is good to upgrade from a 1060 or 2060.
Yep i did from a 1050ti
i7 9700f with 4060 bottleneck or not ?
The RTX 4060 is indeed the best value of the 40 series cards yet. Thst doesn't mean is grest value, heck, I would argue is just barely ok value. I understand why you think this card is good, even great value but I disagree and here sre my points:
1.- It is basically zero generation over generation improvement. The GTX 1060 is on par with the 980, the RTX 2060 is really close to the 1080 and the RTX 3060 is slightly better than a 2070. Each generation from the last three generations the 60 class card has made at least one jump in tiers. And lets be honest, it is not like we have reach a limit or something since the halo card of the 40 series (4090) is on another level compared with the 3090. The 4060 is just s 3060 with DLSS, wich means it is a card with the same level of performance as a 5 year old card (since the 3060 is about the same level of raster performance with rhe 2070), with awful limitations on the memory bandwidth (8GB and a 128-bit bus). To me this makes me wonder about the longevity of the card, and as far as I see this card will be relegated to 1080 medium/low with FSR or DLSS in the next two years or less.
2.- Over-reliance in DLSS. While the technology is really impressive, and I can't wait to see if Nintendo will use an Nvidia SoC for their Switch successor with DLSS and Frame generation, it is snakeoil for most PC games since rhe developer is required to implement it themselves. If DLSS and frame generation was able to be implemented at the hardware or driver level to be used in any game then I think this upgrage would not be as bad as it is. But since you don't know if the next game you want to play will implement it then I would argue is a mute point to use DLSS+Frame Gen as a big selling point. By all means, it can do impressive stuff like running Cyberpunk at max quality + RT, but it is something only a handful of games will use. Also, something that I really gets into my nerves is how no-one talks about how does the game FEEL to play with frame gen active, since from what I've heard Frame Generation increases latency by a lot. I want someone to try the same game at the same framerate, one instance with Frame Gen and the other without it and tell how different they feel to play. I can play games at 40-ish frames but I can't play games with high input latency. If Frame Gen is basically like playing a game st 20 FPS then is a useless feature to me.
3.- Pricing. While the 4060 has a lower MSRP than the 3060 it is not necessary a good thing, since you could neven find the 3060 at MSRP the vast majority of the time. Beside this, each new generation offered better price/performance than the last, and like I said on the first point, this is not the case. The value on the Graphics card market feels stagnant and this card is not the exception.
4.- Extra bells and whistles. Yes Nvidia is basically your only option if you do render work besides gaming, their cuda core integration on software like Blender, Solidworks etc is something AMD nor Intel cand compare to. But like I said with DLSS, these are basically extra add ons that not apply to everyone. If you require an nvidia card for your workflow and some gaming then I would argue to get a 3060 TI or a 3070 and you would get better performance/longevity than with this card, at least st this price point of $300 USD. If you require AV1 I would probably say either go for an A750 or wait for the 7700/7800 or try to look for an used 4070
5.- The consumers at large are tired of being ripped off. We had almost three years of awful prices on the GPU market. Yes, a lot of people bought the scapled cards at absurdly high prices, but they did it since otherwise they would have gone mad being stuck at hope unable to do something. I understand the general anger at people who bought scalped cards, but we have to remember that those are the victims, not the culprits of the sky high prices. The comunuty was already uneased for the last three years, it was time to get a win, to feel that we could get a really nice deal but seems like Nvidia and AMD are dead set to give us the worst deals even. On top of that we are in the midst of a global recession... again and most folks cannot afford their hobbies, you know, one of the few enjoyments of their life at this time.
Nvidia and AMD had the opportunity to do go to us, the consumers, and so far they have chosen not to do so. I would only recommend this card at $230-240 usd as cheap upgrade to a Pascal/Polaris card, otherwise, forget it, it is not really worth it for the vast majority of consumers.
This card does have a place, it just most of the time the place if the csrd is the recycle bin.
Great video. Oh man, I hope your mic is okay!
Still working as of right now lol
I am still on the gtx1060 6gb so not able to even try ray tracing 😢
Yes, I am that fool, I play with Ray Tracing. It has better lighting and reflections than rasterized equivalents, and if you're playing above 60fps, you're fine. I'll even go so far to be blasphemous and say if you're at 45fps you're still fine in a non-competitive game. (Waiting for all the hate that will come for saying that.)
Overall outlook remains the same, if you want RT buy Nvidia, if you don't, buy AMD. Then, buy what's in your budget and if isn't, don't buy it.
Danny I believe NVIDIA missed a good opportunity to shine. If they would have named that card as a RTX4050 I believe it would have been received Positively. Even with the $300 price tag. Due to the bad reviews of the RTX 3050. Team Red beet that card hands down with the RX 6600 cards with 8g ram too. If they would have named that card 4050 folks would not have the expectations they had. NVIDIA could had made a truthful boast in performance improvements and would have been reviewed positively even with the 8g ram arguments we have seen with reviewers . I know they can name their cards any way they want. Just in this case the goofed. Like in that old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon the gaggle of NVIDIA got shot with the goof gun. It was not Boris and Natasha who did it.
I feel the 4060 would be a good value if the 3060 12gb didn't exist great video btw Danny
But it did and that is what matters
@@BenedictPenguin 100%
rtx3060 was only 10% faster than rtx2060 like rtx4060 vs rtx3060 but no one complained about it
so that is what we deserve
But less Vram
lets hope nvidia fix their tier list next time. this 4050 sold as 4060 bull shit need to stop, forever
there is nothing such as a 40 series worth my money... better keep what i have and skip to next generation.
But what if next generation they give even worse value cards that rely even more heavily on features rather than raw performance?
@@nerdonabudget then he will at least have a bigger upgrade and can save money to do a major upgrade overall. Long game it is a win, but not short term
meanwhile it has been proven that the actual power consumption of the 4060 cards is deliberately disguised/incorrectly output😌 so that the software cannot read it out beyond the wrong👎🏻 information and is actually on average 25-30 watts higher !! This was found out by Igorslab and there is also an article in English and German available on their website. This is intentional customer miss information by 🤢Ngreedia🤮 and makes all their marketing slides obsolete.😌👍🏻
6700xt 12G for the win..
i would pay $175 usd if it came with a 480 bit bus and 48GB of vramage. more coodie cores, pls. rocm socm now. my new corolla is slower than my old corolla, but its new with new stuff.
I've decided to get some more time on my AM4 board. I started with a 2700x paired with the 2060. Yesterday I went with a 5600x. This CPU with a better card should keep me going for another few years. Then i can splurge for a new $2500 system. Until then I need a video card. Tough call for something that's pretty much temporary.
Which mobo?
@@samiunnabi2482 Asrock Master SLI/ac x470. Had to upgrade the BIOS for the 5600x but it's all good now. Not sure about the video card yet. Since I game at 1080P, I could actually keep what I got.
I have to go for 4060. I found the 4060 cheaper than your price and the 6700xt more expensive. The 7600 is similar price in my region.
Its pretty basic to me. Nvidia is cutting costs & trying to squeeze every penny out of their customers & AMD, unlike Nvidia, understands that when benchmarks are what they are, they alter their pricing to reflect that where Nvidia couldnt care less & figures if ppl are gonna continue to pay whatever we ask, the names scheme & benchmark results dont matter whatsoever to how the product holds up performance wise to the rest of the market. At least recently. Honestly the 7600 & 4060 just arent worth it. Get a 6700/50XT (depending what u can find) or a 3060ti if ur looking for a sub $400 card.
nah. id never buy this over a 6700 series card. buy the 4060 if you want a 4050
RTX 4060 is DOA if u play PS5 port games
No it isn’t?
4060 makes no sense.
I used to buy gtx 1080 used for $250-320... since when are 50 series card the same price.
fk yea vs RX7600, but it needs +SAM to perform well is this with SAM? ? they did fix sam in the lasts AMD patch - the 7600Rx it top dog right now, 130 as it gives a 70dollars game bundle.
ultimate cheap pc RN is a 7600x (+ star field ) a RX 7600 ( another starfield ) 2x70 140 dollars saved this is big - you can use one game, give the other to a friend or sell it or sell both. ( just register it for the seller on his account via your system:)
7600x 130
RX7600 180
Asrock b620 hv+ 95
32gb ddd 5 Neo. 6000 around 100. Mhz 6400 around 115
SSD. crucial t5 1tb 50
psu. Random 750 w 50
case Random 50
around total 650 and this is for a totally mid end pc DDR5 32Gb % and 7000 Ryzen 1TB SSD gen 4 - and can use +Sam to gain even more fps.
if no or old case/psu/16gb ram/ssd even more cheap around 500 dollars you can also buy a 6700non or (xt) and get a 100 premium starfield bundle
proberly even find rebates on newegg or parts picker and get it under 600 all new
If it was $249 then it would be worth it....
I bought rx 6600 for 100 bucks offerup I’m happy with it I upgrade it GTX 1070. Plus I’m on the budget byside I only played warzone 2.0. If I have more fund I will get 6700 xt.
That's a crazy good deal! Nice!
Why buy 4060
1 way beter rtx than any amd card so if you want to play single player titles and have fun and graphics go for it
2 power efficient and silent the main key point no overheating and all
3 the dlss and frame gen is absolutely game changing double fps
4 the ai tech like nvidia broadcast shadow play and much more go for if you are content creator
5 better incoder for streaming recording
At last the 6700xt might be getting more fps but like say truthfully you are buying a 4060 a mid range card for 1080p gaming and getting more than 60 fps in any game max settings rtx what else you need and in bet rtx on amd is terrible also freesync too so chosse wisely
Ur correct, Im new to pc building I’m building my first pc in reality I don’t even have the money but I’m learning what is better, I was convinced on getting the rx 6700 xt the problem is im not a gamer I want to make content and freelancing video editing and photoshop I want to make business out of my pc and also at the side play some games if I have some free time, yeah the rx 6700 xt row performance is good in Europe it cost’s 360 euros and the rtx 4060 costs 320 euros so the difference in row preformance is 15% but it costs also more so we can say they are equal but with invidia im getting stable drivers, invidia reflex to lower the latency to have quicker reaction time in shooter video games, dlss 3 and frame generation will double the fps, I will get the Av1 encoder plus the invidia encoder, I made my mind with evidences that the rtx 4060 is the most logical choice for me and my needs. Thanks for ypur comment I wasn’t really sure what to do.
@@Abdullah______ sure indeed
Aslo if you pair and gpu with amd cpu then you can use its full potential but the newer amd cpu are no match for Intel's 13 gen maybe go with a 13400f or 13500
@@BeastlondaGaming For the cpu I can't really do that much my big brother wants to get the rayzen 9 5900x 12 cores this cpu has been discounted to -50% so I think it's a good deal.
With $300 you can buy a brand new 6700XT
Broo around here a 6700 xt is around 380 dollar a 4060 rn is looking at 330 as the more affordable solution ;(
You used a PCIe gen 4 motherboard how much performance would you lose on PCIe gen 3???
I have both, PCIE gen4 is a talking point I don't see any real increase in performance although I'm sure there are those who would argue this point.
So.... no?
Damn RTX 4060 really efficient only pulling 100-120 Watt max? While RX 7600 pulling 160Watt ish yet losing to RTX 4060
This gpu is just bad.. it seems ok but when things start to be demanding it fails badly. Remides me on rtx 3050.. There are bunch of second hand rtx 3070s for that money, even 3060ti for 50$ less with guaranties in great conditions. All of them run laps around it, esc in 1440p.. With AMD i woulnt buy anything less powerfull than rx 6800, for 1440p future proof gpu.
Im gonna be honest. This is an acceptable card for a casual gamer who will build a pc for the first time, someone that will play less demanding games like cod, fortnite or overwatch.
If you're someone who had a 3060 and wanted to upgrade....... this card is a complete joke and waste of energy
Good thing about this card is, this is the best card to help us filter out simpchannels. thx rtx 4060
Lol, imagine thinking I'm an Nvidia simpchannel, you clearly don't know my long history of recommending AMD over Nvidia. Good thing about this card is it can help us filter out people who can objectively look at data vs those who just join the mob mentality. Thx RTX 4060
4060\$270 3060\$250
Personally I don't see any more value in the 7600, than the 4060, but everyone's shitting on Nvidia lol. Both cards suck.
If it had 12GB of VRAM or was priced cheaper, I’d definitely consider it. For now this ain’t a no go. 💀
This was a missed opportunity from NVIDIA to make a 12GB card that can perform better than some other cards out there. No amount of extra megabytes added to the L2 cache will replace cutting down on gigabytes worth of VRAM.
Bro these nvidia and amd fanboys sucks. All they do is jump with the bandwagons of big tech tubers who are not right all the time. They can't think for themselves. For me 4060 is acceptable the only limiting factor is the vram but its performance and energy efficiency is great. The 4060 ti 8gb version is the one not acceptable. I watch zwormz, daniel owen, tech yes city they approve 4060 but they also mention that there are better options and deals with past cards which I agree. This amd gpu fanboys thinks that all amd cards nowadays are better heck rx 7600 is garbage too just because its price is lower but they are selling it high at first. 😂
Also all new amd, and Nvidia line ups are trash =)
£200 i'd seriously consider the 4060. They could easily make a single slot, cut down 75w TDP version.
So a 4050 if NVIDIA makes one?
RTX 4030 lol
ray tracing and ultra settings make absolutely no sense to me. it just seems like you're knee capping performance for no real benefits.
The 7600 was very disappointing here, the 4060 impressed me
The 7600 had TWO price cuts before anybody bought it. I dont think even you were impressed by this card how could you be its a rip off
@@NoodlesTBograt it was about 7% faster in the tests on avg and it blew it out of the water in RT(15-30% faster) and dlss 3 is very impressive.
People like to crap on anything nvidia puts out, yet they end up being Ok performance per $. Not the best, but ok.
If you want rt buy Nvidia if you don’t then buy AMD
Buy the 4060! At least that's what I'm going to do. For two reasons: 1. Play all games at 1080p. 2. Energy consumption below 150 watts. Yes, I care about the environment and the climate. Since no other card can do this, it was a no-brainer for me.
What's up with small youtubers defending 4060 value, most of the top reviewers find this trash lol
Did I defend its value in an unfair way? I said it's not worth it if all you care about is raster. If you care about AV1, DLSS, frame gen, raytracing, and power efficiency, then you're paying about a $30 premium for it compared to the very popular and widely praised 6700XT
@@nerdonabudget yup you did. Your supposed audience on a budget prioritize those features i guess.
Thank you for the blender/premiere tests. Most people focus only on the FPS so it's nice to see someone thinking of the ones who are more worried about work! haha
bruh, you have got subscriber for life! how everyone is convincing to buy 6700 xt but you provided us with most important information
is 30$ or "xyz" dollar is worth for those features
i had say 100%, FSR is nomatch for dlss (dlss looks sharp/good/preferred)
frame generation would only improve with updates and its already looking good and beating 6700 xt
and atlast, 100w less power consumption means... more saving,
also you can get away with 500w PSU on rtx 4060 but you will require 600w or 650w psu on 6700xt which will cost additional 20 usd!
not everyone plays games
some of us also use computer for work
and amd is never preferred in such critical task
some of the application only runs on cuda/tensor core
Fair enough review Danny 👍😇. You’ve made some decent arguments for the RTX4060 and Rx6700XT. But as we’ve seen memory issues are ‘starting’ to come into play here with badly optimised titles etc and higher texture packs coming out in titles by game devs or community mods etc and if you want to playa game at launch 🚀 these days Vram is essential for more budget end gamers imo 😇😃👍. For some of us with higher end gpus this isn’t as much a problem as we can brute force our way through.
Unfortunately I believe this generation of gpus were created under the guise of it still being a mining GPU crazy with ridiculous prices and gpus being bought regardless of performance at very high prices …… this isn’t the case and manufacturers (both AMD and Nvidia…..not so much Intel) are going to have to cut GPU prices to get interest and sales. Atm, they’re not which is bad imo.
I've been somewhat out of the loop when it comes to the latest PC releases/news ever since my daughter was born, but your uploads keep me updated and sane during sleepless nights. I can't thank you enough for that Danny.
Hope all is well with the family and the little one!!
how much should it cost? everything should be free. duhhhhh
Joking aside, if we strictly talking about "upgrading" then any upgrade beyond a gtx 1080 for 1080p gaming if just stupid at this time. The smart thing to do is to wait and see in which direction the "gaming" industry is going. We still don't know if DLSS3 keep on getting implemented(erhm...AMD sponsored titles), or game keep on getting more CPU bottleneck resulting in 30fps lock, or if 1080p gaming really need more than 8gb of VRAM(erhm...AMD sponsored titles again?). Although so far AAA games have slowly implemented RT so it safe to assume that company/developer are seeing potential with RT and they intent on using RT even more.
I just got a 4060 and I would warn people buying this card for frame generation. It doubles the input lag, it's more of an experimental feature imo right now (october 2023). Crazy high fps but along with crazy high input lag. Not worth it. You can see the input lag with the Nvidia performance monitoring with geforce experience. The AV1 codec is probably worth it but I have no experience with the feature.
Also, the VRS feature for upscaling videos does not look that great in my opinion, even in it's best quality. The feature would actually be useful if it could track how much ethernet bandwidth you are using but the feature can only be switched on of off. It defeats the purpose in my opinion. Native video still looks better than videos upscaled with VRS. This feature would be very useful to me if it was well implemented because I have cheap internet but videos can sometime stop when I use a lot of download bandwidth at the same time.
I think the 4060 vram bandwidth is too small for 1440p. I will probably return the card. Nvidia cards also seem to have random flashing of the taskbar or videos in windows.
the price nvidia charges for releasing new tech that is, mostly, supported for 1 or 2 years has NO VALUE for me. so ill price like the 4050 it really is. Just a card with 2 years free of whatever tech they shill during its release. Then , in 2 years? discontinued, no one support it anymore, etc.
Dlss 3.0 and frame generation are not BAD tech at all. But nvidia, just like apple, arent gonna give us tech that works on the future, just enough to make us click the buy button, and job done. they are mostly abandonware , like raytracing adoption is abysmal, as bad as 4k displays on pc.
I live in Italy 😢 here the Electricity is expensive and I have a 750 watt UPS so I don't know if the rx6700xt with an i5 13500 is good
People do not get w hybwe buy these cards. We. Are upgrading from mid-end to the range where it suits the needs, plus some people need NVIDIA for very specific needs.
Do i get the 4060 or the 6700xt, if the 4060 is significantly cheaper locally?
i got myself a used hellhound 6700 xt for 250 bucks, and damn i dont need anything more than this
Can i pair rtx 4060 with an i5 10400f???...will it bottleneck??
Can i pair ryzen 5 5500 with rtx 4060?is there any bottleneck issues
Getting a AMD better Price performance graphics card in a lower price Intel for for streaming that would work also I guess I've heard of that if you have two slots for your motherboard and the power supply for both me personally I don't know what to think about the entire situation except CEOs and CFOs are paid way too much they just keep wanting more and more for free that's called a bum
$300 is pushing the upper limit of "budget" gaming cards. $150 is on the lower end.
i got a 3060 ti for right under 250 new.
I think for $300 Nvidia should have given this card more power... but then it would perform too well and make the 4060ti (and its 16gb version) look really bad for their price. They really tried to gouge the market but had to reshuffle the pack a bit and now its being revealed just how stupid their lineup is. I say let them shove it and see how the 50 series looks when they launch it.
After a year it beats the RX 7600 in price in most of Europe if you consider electricity bills being cheaper as apart of the card's strength
I mean you can just Overclock it
@@aquatix5273 thats the problem my friend. traditionally a 60 class card comes in at about 150 watts. But at that power usage it would perform too well for $300, so they gimp it and try to sell the idea of "power efficiency" and "the more you buy the more you save." In the end they knowingly sell you less and get you to believe you're getting more for your money. Power saving isnt a selling point of this card, its exactly what holds it back.
@qT_p13 Saving $50-$70 (converted) a year over a direct competitor (RX 7600) is a good strength.
Also, the traditional "150W" is an inaccurate way to describe 60 series cards. The GTX 260 was 182W. The GTX 460 was 160W. The GTX 560 was 150W. The GTX 660 was 140W. The GTX 760 was either 140W or 170W due to having two different versions. The GTX 960 and GTX 1060 were both 120W. To then begin dramatically increasing wattage as the easy way out to get impressive performance improvements was criticized for reviews of the RTX 2060 and RTX 3060.
Likewise, decreasing die size may also be a worthy criticism for this series of card as the easy way out.
@@aquatix5273 Just be aware that a 450 watt 4090 and a 320 watt 4080 exists in this lineup. They could easily boost the power to 150 and basically your 4060ti is your 4060. But no, power efficiency is clearly what Nvidia was going for.
More like at or below 400.00
The best thing to happen becausde of the 4060 release and the 4060 ti is the fact that the previous gen cards are going to be more affordable for budget builds
I would argue some of them might actually raise in price for the fact they benchmark better... we'll have to see. Would not be shocked in the least if u see 6700xt/3060ti price hike cuz ppl will want to buy them over the 4060/7600s. Time will tell
Yea I agree here, I wouldn't be surprised if the 6700XT and 6650XT prices will increase a tad in the coming weeks/months because of how good value they are right now
@@nerdonabudget precisely my thinking. i mean, it doesnt make much sense for it to be any other way really. if they get even cheaper, stock will be almost non existent which, naturally, would skyrocket prices cuz of the crazy demand and such little supply. so yeah, its either the market doesnt move much at all & it stays basically the same, or we're to see some rate of increase in price for those higher spec last gen models with such "meh" benchmarking and reviews of this release. At least AMD recognizes the performance reality and lowered prices not once, but twice on their release. I would be SHOCKED if Nvidia does anything in that direction whatsoever. i still dont get how even mid/low tier offerings are still all about optimizing 1080p like everything else has moved on to at least 1440p & even 4k is becoming more and more common and more mainstream & affordable across many tech industries. Graphics card releases still pushin 1080p max optimal is rly sad for growth of cards. at least thats how i feel about it
G'day Danny,
How much do nVIDIA's features like DLSS & Frame Generation, AMDs FSR & intel XESS matter to me as a value? $0.00 Not at all.
I was a Printer for my Career, to me Image Quality is more important & these features reduce Image Quality, I would much rather have 30-60fps at High + High Textures than higher fps sacrificing Image Quality.
The side by side you did with FG On in CP2077 I don't care that at the same setting fps was up to 45% higher as you might as well have just left FG OFF & changed the settings to 540p Low, because that is how horrible it looked in comparison to the others for me.
The Biggest problem for nVIDIA 50-60 is that after some huge Rasterization gains in the 4080/90 over 3080/90 this was expected for all of 4000 & it has not materialised.
Oh & the Original 3060 having 12GB VRAM while 4060 only has 8GB.
For Tech Channels I think the biggest problem for new GPU Reviews atm is that there are still so many last Gen midrange-low end models in abundance at discounted prices & so reviewers can't just compare new Gen at RRP/MSRP to Performance of the same SKU last Gen, like 7600 is about 30% faster & 10% cheaper than 6600 at RRP/MSRP, Why isn't that good? Because of so many Higher Spec Last Gen GPUs at Sale Prices.
Production was behind demand due to Work at Home over the internet & GPU Mining over the last 3 yrs then demand dropped of very quickly as people went back to the office & Mining Hardware shifted leaving way too many 2020/21 GPUs available with hardly anyone wanting them, because when you read comments to reviews instead of gamers wanting to buy those "Old" GPUs that they were crying it wasn't fair they couldn't buy previously that are now in abundance at RRP/MSRP or lower they are now not good enough because they are "Last Gen" & expect 2022/23 GPUs to have 2x performance at 50% of last Gens Clearance Sale prices & those people in comments are just spwewing 🐮💩 about the past to justify it, it's Willful Ignorance just like all the Lies FanBois tell to justify that what they like is the best even when it isn't.
Nah bro if it was like 250 $ or had 12gb vram at it's price point then it would be considerable.
the worst for me is that the jump from the 3060 to the 4060 is almost none existent.
jump from 1060 to 2060 was huge.
jump frtom 2060 to 3060 was huge.
everyone who skipped the 3060 to get a 4060 is crying now ... its so sad
No one is crying?