Ableton Live 11.3 - Is Sampling & Remixing Too Easy Now?
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2023
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I was always wondering, how come DJ software has been capable of automatically syncing 2 tracks together for many, many years, while Ableton Live wasn’t as good in this department even though it had this sophisticated warping algorithm. Well, with Live 11.3 that has changed. The new and improved auto warping is one of the highlight features of this update and it’s now much more capable of automatically syncing whole tracks even with tempo variations to your project and in this video I’m going to show you how it compares to the previous warping algorithm.
Before I always used to advise people to turn auto warping for long samples off and set up the warping themselves.
But here’s what the release notes of 11.3 say:
• Live now uses a new Auto-Warp algorithm. Both downbeat and tempo variations are more accurately analyzed, making it possible to work with longer samples and entire songs without the need for manual warping in most cases.
• To run the new Auto-Warp algorithm on clips within an existing Live Set, use any of the Warp From Here commands (found in the Sample Editor's context menu) from any location in a clip
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Where do u get your drum loops?
@@peter83north There are some percussion loops in "The Heat" pack which I recorded myself. Are you referring to those?
@@LowHeatBeats it could be....you used em on the disco sample video
Is this version stable or in beta?
I would love to see a Stems-type of feature like in Serato Studio, this would be insane for Live.
I think they will take their time with this one, until they figure out the most elegant way to implement it.
Nice for highlighting this , even the transfer to simpler with slice is superb, gr8 overview. Cheers 😊
Appreciate you watching!
You always explain your video very well and clear. Right now I am downloading the new update. Thanks
Much appreciated Rafael!
Great Vid... Love your content. Thanks for sharing 🙌
Much appreciated!
Great job as always, LH!
Appreciate you 🙏
This is awesome!! Thanks for this!
My pleasure!
Oh damn... thanks boss for highlighting this, I totaly missed it!
My pleasure, glad the video was helpful fam!
2:00 super clear example! Thanks for making a video on this update :)
My pleasure, glad you liked it!
It's a game changer.All night I been chopping my RIPX stems.and then I chop in my MPC.Its so sweet.Thank u ABELTON
Yup, great update!
I personally need it, I'm glad they dropped it. I work with disco type samples and have a lot of trouble, I've really needed some lessons on warping and editing, we will see if that's still the case, now I will have to redo tunes I started a long time ago that I wasn't able to get correct.
Looks like it's perfect for disco flips and edits. Definitely give it a try and let me know if it works better than before for you.
Letsgooooo! Installing the update tonight
That's what's up!
Great vid, amid all the push 3 videos, this got mostly forgotten about.
Thanks! Exactly, that's why I made this video.
Impressive update and video too :)
Glad you liked the video!
Huge feel on both, that's intelligent.
This is dope, super efficient! I also love the fact that you used a South African sample to demonstrate! Sending blessings from S.A!
Appreciate you watching! These South African songs are amazing indeed.
This is actually insane. Love the Herb Alpert sample btw
Indeed! Thanks!
The new auto warp is going to save hours and hours and hours of work
For sure!
@moodoom lol sure, I guess they meant save time
@moodoom love it, kids can't even properly write a sentence these days.
Fuck yea
Can't wait to sample!
I would have completely missed this! Thanks for the video!
Really good showcase of the new update! :)
Glad it was useful!
🤯 insane thank you now maybe I updated to the ableton live 11
There's some very good deal to get it at 50% off if you own Novation hardware.
Great comparison video! So glad you made this - The difference is like night and day. Definitely will be cool on standalone Push 3. I'm hopelessly trying to restrain myself from buying one, but it's only a matter of time haha.
Do you see yourself getting a Push 3?
Glad you liked the video! I may eventually get one, not sure when though.
Had a very interesting experience. New algorithm didn't work at all- didn't even put in warp markers. Two reboots fixed that.
Then, it wouldn't work in 3/4 time or with songs where there are a lot of tempo changes. I just kept trying it and strangely it "got better." Now it works pretty much perfectly.
I agree it is too easy - at least in the bad old days it made folks think about music and really - give their ears a workout.
I've paid my dues, so I'm happy with it. Only 10 years late...as you said this was possible imho years ago.
Hey Allan, thanks for sharing your experience. Definitely weird that reboots changed anything, I wouldn't expect it.
this is huge. thx
It is indeed!
NGL they did good on this one!💯
100%
I didn't know about this. Thanks for the heads up... You know, i think this is s precursor to audio stems like serato and other dj software now has. I'm hoping anyway🙏🏿
wow I have to try this very good warping was possible before but it was tedious and time consuming having the metronome always on but this cool
Yes, exactly.
Guess i'll have to update. Thanks!
No doubt!
I’ve tried so many samplers and various daw based sampling techniques from mpc to reason/drrex/recycle to maschine and simpler. I want to like simpler so much but I have a hard time not using Serato Sample. It’s not perfect but imo has the best time stretching. And the ease of use just trumps everything. It has key detection and auto chopping that just works. Hopefully this update will help with my use of simpler. Ableton time stretch is damn good too. Serato Sample is so good I always used it when sampling in maschine.
Yeah, I'm sure Serato Sample is awesome, but I always prefer to use the built-in sampler in Maschine (where it integrates with the controller, I don't use mouse or keyboard there, nor do I look at the computer display) or Simpler in Ableton, as it integrates seamlessly with the UI.
Game changer!!!!!! Always hated the old warping
It does make things easier!
I've tested this was works a treat! I was more excited about Auto warping than the release of Drift, hoping Ablenton will introduced stem next will be a winner, maybe Serato will bring stems to Serato Sample!
Thanks for confirming it works on your end! Stem separation seems to be one of the most requested features indeed.
Stems works great in Serato Studio. I’m afraid they may be holding it back from Sample so Studio (and DJ) have a special selling point. I could be overthinking it. But stem separation in Serato Sample would be amazing
How does that stem separating thing work in serato , didn't know that was a thing! I have no idea about serato as I'm not a dj ! Big up 🤙
They killed this update. I’m enjoying it a lot.
No doubt!
This is a game changer for more than people who have sampling in mind.
DJs who just want simple intro edits or longer form edits with added percussion.
I could get multiple edits done in one evening now, which really helps focus on creativity and less time worrying about if I have enough time to get things done.
Totally!
Awesome
Thanks
IM SCREAMING 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Less gooo
fuck yes finally thank you Ableton saved us hours and hours great vid
Indeed! Glad you liked the vid!
Thanks for this info! This seems amazing, I’m new to Ableton so I’ll definitely check it out. Could this new feature be used in reverse to warp a drum beat (like an exact digital 4/4 beat from software) and make it speed up and slow down to match and play along with a classic song/sample?
Yes, of course, warped samples follow the project's tempo.
@@LowHeatBeats that’s amazing! I’ll now have to figure out how to get the project tempo to match the speed variations of some classic Burt Bacharach songs so that it’ll warp my ezdrummer loops to match! Thanks for your quick reply! Subbed!
@@peterburke579 It's pretty straight fwd....... You can set clips to be a slave or master in terms of tempo. If using non-quantised music, manual transient marking and plotting transient markers WITHOUT 'dragging' them makes more sense if you are genuinely committed to retaining the groove of the OG track.
@@airfixx_8952 thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it. I’ll give it a try 👍
“Is sampling too easy” it was always easy, the hard part will always be finding that track you make a connection with
I mostly agree although it definitely wasn't as easy when you had no choice but to dig in the crates and use samplers with 10 secs of sampling time and no waveform display.
Great video! Do you face any copyright issues with having those samples in your video on YT or because this is educational, it's OK?
Thanks! No issues so far. YT's content ID system doesn't know if it educational or not, it's an automated system. These songs are not added to that database, or I didn't play them long enough, so I didn't get a claim.
@@LowHeatBeats thanks man :)
Would be interesting to compare it with the latest NI Traktor Pro Version!
Good idea, Idk if I even have a license for the latest Traktor to test it though.
Well……. Acapellas usually don’t have a lot of transient information so it could be more difficult to autowarp that.
Yeah, makes sense.
Of all music elements, vocalists are most prone to a degree of human 'unquantised' groove too. The acid test for warping will always be the extent of the range of material used to trial it. i.e. how much groove/swing and feeling gets removed when dealing with unquantised music or whether or not the autowarp algo struggles with more complex music. Even when warping manually; minor correction of drift and mere tempo mapping of quantised music was never much of an issue.
Comparatively few DJs (or even producers) ever truly put these kinds of functions through their paces.
Can you have varying tempo in Ableton? Usually one would set a tempo, maybe 120 bpm. But can it change the tempo within a track? So maybe go from 100 to 110 then to 120 then to 95? So also record a live song on myself, where i constantly change the tempo, and then i have many regions with different tempo?
Yes, automating the tempo is very easy.
That's wonderful! Pls stay in touch!
On some long samples autowarp didn't worked it left the samples unwarped when i dragged them out of the ableton browser maybe a bug but on most samples it did worked really great😊
You can try the Warp From Here command on them.
@@LowHeatBeats will try if that works. Thanks mate
wow. What's the learning curve for moving from Reason 1o to this? I'm using mostly VSTs now which has been inspiring. Reason has lost its way.
I wouldn't know, I've been using Live for many years and have only tried Reason briefly years ago. It's definitely worth trying though.
I think its time to get back into Ableton.
Where did you go? 😀
Not many talking about this 11.3 feature. The new Push 3 news has kinda knicked all the headlines.
True that!
I noticed some of the features on the Push 3 seem to make it go head to head with the Roland SP 404 Mk2. My question is why does Ableton feel threatened by the SP?
Not sure what you mean. If anything, the SP has added some features from Ableton Live.
Did you experience any issues with extremely slow GUI and high CPU usage after updating Ableton?
I did experience something like that when using Kontakt 7, but I can't tell if Ableton is the culprit becase Kontakt was also updated.
What do U use as your main studio computer ? :-)
M1 Mac Mini
It was always going to be tricky warping that track against the drums because the track is shuffled and the drums aren't. Ableton did an okay job considering, though.
Indeed.
Bro that's not just some old samples from the 60s, that's Hugh Masekela 😂(Grazing Grass) - no hate, great vid
Thank you! These tracks are amazing!
There’s still something weird going on with the update tho because I took a track and isolated the instrumental and vocals and dropped them into their own tracks and they didn’t match up at all
Why is it weird? As I said in the video it doesn’t work too well with acapellas. You can export the warped track, isolate the vocals from that and then import the vocals unwarped, that should work.
@@LowHeatBeats let me explain. I initially dropped both tracks separately into a project and they synced up perfectly, then for some reason I deleted then reapplied them but they haven’t been able to sync up since…
@@solprovidermusic Aahh, got it, Yeah it does that when you import them for the second time. Right-click on that one warp marker it has created in the beginning of the file and choose Warp From Here, this should re-apply the auto-warp algorithm.
@@LowHeatBeats word, thank you. I’ll give that a try!
can you have this warping option on a simpler or sampler device?
I guess you missed the part where I show it in Simpler. Sampler doesn't have it though.
@@LowHeatBeats Thank you very much for the information
Trying to shoehorn different time signatures to a 4/4 beat seldom works, eg 4:20 just doesnt fit, but that software was trying its best.
I was just playing with the sample slices with my MIDI keyboard. My timing wasn't perfect, it was just a quick example, that's why you maybe thought that was the case.
Now we just need a real time stems plug in
I'm sure it will come some day, however Ableton are very conservative with introducing new features, so it may not be soon. I do like that approach though. It's the reason why they have the clean and fast workflow and not a bloated mess of options.
While I am really really happy about this, I have to say, am I the only one who is fucking bewildered that it took Ableton this long to resolve this? I don't see this as a new feature It's actually a fucking decade old bug that they finally got around to fixing. Which is insane to me.
Hmm, are you sure it was a bug?
@@LowHeatBeats I mean it’s a feature that never did what it was supposed too, to the point that everyone disabled it. Sounds like a bug to me.
Does anyone know if ableton 11.3 is working properly with mac osx CATOLINA? Thanks in advance🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
It's supported so it should work but I haven't tested it myself. On Monterey it's been ok, just some weird lagging when using some plugins but overall works fine.
@@LowHeatBeats some users are reporting it lacking there max very sluggish but, I’m wondering if more people are having that same experience. Can you elaborate alittle more on how and when your experiencing the lagging and with what plugins, thanks in advance 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🎚️💯
@@Mattiimateo It was Kontakt 7, but it happened only in one or two sessions, it's been working fine since then. They also did a minor update 11.3.3 which may have fixed this. I think it's possible to revert back to 11.2 if you have problems.
@@LowHeatBeats thanks for the fast reply
when is the update coming??
It's already out, it was released on Tuesday together with the new Push.
@@LowHeatBeats
that doesn't work for me, I have 11.3.2 version
Do you have auto-warp turned on and did you try the Warp From Here command if you don't?
@@LowHeatBeats
I've tried but I can't do it like you do :D
is it possible to make a video where it is explained in context with a complete beat.
lg
@@opon.t4038 Ok, sure, I will consider making such video. But as I said in the video, I just dragged and dropped it on the timeline and didn't do anything else. Maybe it doesn't work as well with your material? Try a different track.
My tracks are only showing one warp marker. Do I need to delete that one file? 😂
Right-click "Warp From Here" on the sample editor
11.3 crashing on all projects instantly after start up. Had to roll back to 11.2
I hear you, I had some weird issues with NI plugins but no crashes. It generally works OK, so I will not be rolling back to 11.2 but I hope these will be ironed out soon.
It's probably that one VST that you have saved in your template. Happened to me too then i removed that vst and it was smooth. Mine was the VU meter that caused it.
Interesting that 11.3 failed so totally in recognising a swing beat even if it got the 1 right. But yeah it's impressive on straight beats
Sure, probably that's why they say "in most cases".
I want an AI generated singer or rapper that works by text input. Ableton, get to it!
Maybe some day 😀
New warping Similar to Serato sample?
What's different about Serato Sample? I might be wrong but I think they both use the Z-plane time stretch algorithm. Edit: I was wrong, they don't, Serato have their own algorithm.
To be honest, I think Ableton had this ability developed a long time ago and they just didn't put it out.
How do you know that and why would they do it?
flexmode in logic has been around for years,,I mean warpmode
Live has had the warping capability since the early 2000’s.
@@LowHeatBeats lol. I dont understand the video then lol...what should I buy?
@@user-rf5wo3ju9d I've explained it very clearly in the video. The warping algorithm got a big improvement when dealing with long samples (usually whole songs). It always worked great for short loops but for whole songs, it was better to warp them manually. Now it saves you a lot of time by doing it automatically with better accuracy.
@@LowHeatBeats u think its on par with logic?
@@user-rf5wo3ju9d I don't know, I don't use Logic. But that's only a small part of the DAW experience, there are many other factors you should consider.
No lo entiendo, en 11.2 NO has aplicado warp automático, se ve claramente que solo hay un punto warp creado al principio, sin embargo en 11.3 has usado warp automático y se han creado puntos warp.
Hey, no, this is not true. If auto-warp wasn't enabled there wouldn't even be that single warp marker in the beginning. I guess Live didn't even attempt to put more markers. The whole point was that you just drag and drop a song without warping it manually and the results between 11.2 and 11.3 are very different and the point still stands. 11.3 is better at auto-warping and this can be reproduced with most songs I tried.
Allllll the time spent warping!!!😅
Totally!
I really can't tell a difference
Between the examples on the video or when you're using it on your own?
@@LowHeatBeats its better but its sounds odd, maybe coz its settin different bpms, but u can kind of hear its catching up to the beat grid, and again its catching up. Is it just me ;D good vid as always
It was a night and day difference to my ears
@@koalaklove I think it's because the rhythm in song is not quantized, while the drums are. It can never be perfectly on beat, unless you fix all the hits manually, essentially quantizing them to some degree. Glad you liked the vid!
@@theelectronic4051 indeed
almost as good as bitwig ... cool ... i mean .. well .. almost .. right ?
Oh no, not the DAW wars again 😂
It's only an update if you don't know Ableton
Why must you all have background music music while speaking? People complain about it, and you all still keep doing it.
GREAT I WANNA BE AN ARTIST
Go for it then!