Capt. please keep coming with the ATR videos. They are very helpful. I am a Type-Rated pilot on 72-600 with zero hours and I have my sim check on the 27th of this month with the national carrier of India your knowledge is highly appreciated.
Hello, my friend! Now I have some problems filming about the ATR, because I was flying it more than 3 year ago. Now I am Boeing pilot. I will film what I can. But I don't have access to airplane itself anymore. Wish you good luck with your training. Safe flights!
I fly the ATR, absolute beauty to fly manually! It is notoriously known for not flying well in icing conditions but other than it is an amazing plane to fly
Very intelligent man. He gave such a simple but comprehensive explanation of the airplane. I wish more UA-cam presenters had his skills. So many of them think they are the story. Great video.
Hello! I'm happy you didn't have A-Icing issues. I flew the 72-212/212A and experienced the same horror that AE4184 experienced with the aileron hinge point reversal. Luckily I lived, albeit barely. I will say that once I stepped off that aircraft on my last trip, I vowed never to get back on an ATR whether it be as flight crew or passenger. We didn't have the glass cockpit, or even GPS at the time. I hope as technology increased, so did safety. I have a sour spot in my heart for this aircraft, but I'm happy that they, apparently, got better. BTW a search of crash history for these aircraft yields a disproportionate amount of ice related accidents than does other aircraft.
Don’t worry about the deicing issue I’ve heard it’s fixed for newer models. But yeah you probably should be careful of older ATR’s as a passenger. For freight it’s not really an issue because they could take it more slowly. A newer models like the 600 are fixed and I think also the 500.
Hi, can you explain me how you got your aileron reversal ? Airspeed, altitude, flaps setting and propeller pitch RPM ? I flew the first ATR42 in Quebec ( when the atr crashed in Ontario Canada) holding in icing with flap extended. I have 4600 hours on it. I can tell you that as long as the ATR limitations where adhered to, all was more then fine. I have 1 occasion in my 6 years on the machine where we accumulated severe icing at 12000ft, poped out of the clouds in clear sky and the entire aircraft was shaking du to the ice accumulations on the 4 blades propeller. So much that the cabine crew came to see use. I now have 22000 h captain on B777, A310, and L-1011 and do not trust me but you may believe my words on it.
Ich kann nicht begreifen dass man die Flügel nicht heizen kann wie auch bei den grösseren Flugzeuge. Vereisung ist da schlimmste was es gibt und gefährlich, dass man das Eis zuerst anfrieren lassen muss und dann erst absprengen kann. Ein Defizit in der jetzigen technologischen Welt. Crash in der Nähe Como auch eine ATR Vereisung. Stall
I flew ATR for many years... horrible machine. 1 Under powered.( what else can a say... yeah fuel efficient but I need power please) 2 Icing "magnet" ( fun to fly CAVOK otherwise deep shit) 3 Challenging ground control on landing and take off roll, specially on cross winds (narrow distance between main landing gear + high wing) 4 No APU.(hotel Mode is crap and noisy) 5 Cargo compartment in between cockpit and cabin!😳 6 Rear main access!!😂😂🤦♂️ 1 and 2 are highly related. Not having power will force you to fly in the worst layers of the atmosphere. Again, deep shit. A great plane to start flying/building hours. Then please apply for a Jet. What a game changer!!!❤
Hello there, your 1000th subscriber here. Im an engineer working on A320, B737NG and ATR72-500 & 600, though i work on ATR for only 5 years now, one thing i notice was the DU is phisically unreliable, it happens to be faulty easily (either display F or totally blank), compared to the DU of B737NG & A320 which which rarely had the same issue. Suspect the 600 DU was having a cooling issue (we prevent this by cleaning the cooling air inlet holes every somehundred FH ) or just basically heat sensitive itself, since ATR avionic cooling system was also less effective (it only had one extract fan, compared to B737 two extract & two blowing fan), not to mention the aircond itself which is not too effective especially with OAT above 30°C and you only had the hotel mode for both packs. So maybe its only a problem here on equatorial climate though, overall still a reliable machine to work with.
Hi! You are great! Thanks for subscribing to my channel! I always recpect engineers. They do their best to keep airplanes fit to fly! I had issues with ATR DUs. They overheat so I had to reduce the brightness, but I had never seen the totally blank DU. Yes, I think B737 DU is better... But on ATR's DUs you have more information. Thanks again! You are awesome!👍
Agree, information given on ATR DUs was a top notch, i personally like how the electronic checklist automatically cycle the MFD to show the respective system page. And also the MISC page which very usefull on Engine Ground Run-Up, all of which you won't find even on A320. What make ATR DUs different though, on B737 & A320 the DUs was only served as "Display". On ATR its also part of the Integrated System along with CACs, FMS & RMS. Hence, on A320 & B737 after we finished replacing the DU, then the job was done. But on ATR theres an additional requirements to install the Operating System Software followed by AVS Config Software which is unique to each A/C MSN. Otherwise you'll have that annoying "BAD CONFIG" msg. Your channel is awesome, keep up the great content. Terima Kasih.
@@paulowesley1 The ATR entered service 35 years ago with the Finnish airline Finnair, which requested a version with de-icing devices, and never had any problems. Unfortunately, in later years many airlines operating in warmer climates did not require such devices. It is now standard equipment, but the problem remains for aircraft sold up to 10 years ago.
Hi, great video! The VNAV button became operative with the STD 2 software and has become my best friend. I fly in Thailand, and we do a lot of LNAV/VNAV approaches here.
I’ve flown King Air 200 and 250, Fokker 50 and Boeing 737-7 and 737-8. I must admit that I enjoyed turboprop most. The F-50 was a very nice and reliable a/c! On the Boeing we quite often did 25-30 minutes turnarounds😅
This was the first and only airliner I flew and I loved it. We had, if I recall about 200 ATR's at some point. To me, the 42 was very docile and very forgiving. The 72-212A Now called 500, would talk back to me complaining and then did what I told it to do. The early ATR72's were the ATR72-200 series. They only had 2400HP, god they were terrible. They were eventually upgraded to the 2700HP & new props among a few other changes. Then the remainder was delivered that way. The 72's were very squirely in a strong crosswind. Oh and god they god hot as heck in the summer on the ground. I was sad when we got rid of them all. I was hoping we were going to get the 600 series, but it did not happen. I know Jets are the Now and the Future, but I think they might return. Especially with that new advanced ATR42s, but the USA does not like the TurboProps, but there are a fan base for them and I am one of them.
I like the idea of controls without hydraulics. I drive an old BMW sports car and it may steer a little harder, and it has a manual transmission but it's great to feel in your hands what you are doing like you said with the controls on the ATR. I always like your videos. Thank you.
I can add a con for the ATR I am 187cm tall and that means the ceiling of the ATR 72-500 touches my head. I also had to duck down just to exit the aircraft because I banged my head on the fuselage of the ATR. However, the service and efficiency of this aircraft is what makes me happy flying it.
@@PilotBlogDenys I fly it as a passenger and not a pilot just for info. Hope to be a 737 Captain as you soon. Also, is it possible for hotel mode to be engaged on ENG 1?
@@PilotBlogDenys I see, I guess that explains why the back of a Fireflyz ATR 72-500 is cooler compared to the Malindo Air ATR72-600. My face literally burnt while we boarded. Thank you
A second helpful comment For this icing problem would be to put a mod/fairing on the upper surface of the wing just ahead of the ailerons to stop that ice building up and nullifying the ailerons ,so not losing aileron control in ice.
ATRs from the way i see it, its not a totally bad plane, but its also obvious to see there are lots of cost cutting measures in it. Another thing worth mentioning is the cargo compartment in ATRs are strapped in with netting, left and wight of the walkway ! Vs Fokker 50 it was solid door. On multiple ocasions our cockpit door was blocked by loosened netting. That itself is a safety hazard.
Possibly another icing problem that led to a deep stall together with the difficuties caused by the T-construction which makes it difficult to escape from a stall. So sad. From the pictures of the crash, you would have thought that a few people would have survived. But they all died. Condolences to all the relatives.
Hello from Brazil just happened yesterday august 15 2024 atr flight ptb 2211 called mayday and thank god landed safely. Just like you mentioned in this video Cockpit display screens went blank (black) during flight😮
I answered videos on this aircraft crash a few times and will answer this one in the same fashion. According to US NTSB report on American Eagle Flt 4184 this fatal crash in Chicago was caused by icing on the wings. There is now this one in Brazil which appears to be from same case. There have been other similar crashes amounting to many lives lost. They whoever they ,are seem to be very concerned because of what I see is a marketing answer, type of response. From the NTSB report on 4184 there was an icing problem and as far as I know one crashed in Canada from icing. I would not fly in it until his situation is cleared up. !
13:28, No side windows. We recently lost pilots of Precision air in our country due to this. The plane landed in water along the shores of lake victoria in Tanzania. Pilots were alive but locked in the cockpit, with sealed windows. Some fishermen saw the pilots asking for help to be saved, and when a boy wanted to break the windshield with a large hammer, some official on a megaphone stopped the fisherman from breaking the windshield. eventually, the pilots drowned.
It might not be a con but ATR pilots have to walk all the way to the far aft of the aircraft for bathroom, sometimes service trollies blocking the path so have to have some patience.
As a french man it is interesting to have the ATR aircraft family evaluated by a Russian pilot, the Russian and Urainian nation itselves having brought forth such marvelleous turboprops as the Antonov AN-70
I am jet pilot I am a first officer I flown on a320/1 and now I fly 330 /340 I have total 8000 hrs .but I want to fly atr or any turboprop but after this video I think I have to think a lot .it is very after flying 15 years on jet to fly turboprop. Thanks for the video
Since late 2021 Engines have since been upgraded to the new PW127XT powerplants with 20% lower maintenance cost and 3% lower fuel consumption than the predecessor PW127M powerplant
Used to visit the instructors office room in ATR training center in Bangkok. There's a big poster beside the desk of Head of Training that says: Kids fly Airbus Men fly Boeing But only legends fly ATR
I got about the same amount of flight hours in ATRs as you. - ATR should stand for "Aircraft of Transients and Resets", a reality in winter or in summer, indistinctly in all ATRs I've flown. - Hydraulically assisted surfaces could dispense that ridiculous horns in the tip of surfaces, that must be heated (not pneumatic booted) in order to protect against ice build up. And the handling would be better in icing conditions, as well. There are plenty of hydraulics from that ACW pumps. - The ONLY ice protection efficient in this aircraft are preventive procedures. Hence a good and well maintained weather radar is a MUST. Avoid every type of medium and heavy cloud formation! - Engines with 3500 to 4000 SHP would be better. A more operational flexibility would contribute to fuel efficiency, something this aircraft doesn't really have (I've always smiled when ATC asked to increase climb rate: something around 500/700 fpm was usual!). - No opening side windows is something disappointing. Pilots evacuation can be done - from the cockpit - ONLY through a ceiling hatch, whose correct operation is NOT covered by the aircraft manuals! Be prepared: if you try to open that hatch, it will fall and hit your head, since it is not hinged. And it will have pressurization leaks, after you (try to) close it. - Environment control is one of the most hated features in ATRs. Duct overheat is a frequent condition in places where air conditioning is most desired! And such failure are NO-GO - ground maintenance MUST correct the failure before take off. - Tail strike is another common event. My colleagues used to say "There are two types of ATR pilots: those who have had a tail strike and those who are yet to have it". The main landing gears are positioned a bit too forward (on the ATR 72) and the tail can hit the ground even with the aircraft parked and braked. The manual says that three people standing in the rear galley and no one in the rest of the cabin, the tail can touch the ground. - The aft door feature is something totally obsolete. A front passenger door would solve tail strike during pax/cargo loading. The motor that powers the front cargo door is also totally unnecessary and prone to failures. A manual operated door would be much simpler, quicker and efficient. - I have ONLY bad thoughts about ATR manuals! The number of memory items in this aircraft is much much much superior than any other plane! As an example: The infamous procedure for Uncommanded Feather at Take Off requires - in an extremely difficult moment - that the pilot "digs" information on the panel to understand what is actually happening! Instead of implementing an electronic warning logic for the busy pilot in the take-off procedure, the manufacturer only issued papers and recommendations, relying only on specific training and the pilot's ability to discern and memorize alerts, events and conditions and take the right conclusion. Translations are something hilarious, like "On Ground" Emergency Evacuation emergency checklist, for instance... - Last criticism for ATRs: they are made in Toulouse, France, not in Renton, WA or in São José dos Campos, Brazil...
And if I am correct I think the dash 8 comes with a APU to start the engines and the atr does not so you have to keep one engine running on the ground or have a service truck
"- Last criticism for ATRs: they are made in Toulouse, France, not in Renton, WA or in São José dos Campos, Brazil...". That's not a minus. That's a plus. This generates money for the European economies, especially the French and the Italian.
@@todortodorov940 Oh, sure that is important for a manufacturer to generate revenue and profit for the owners and countries economies. However it is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE to produce good, reliable and efficient airplanes, not obsolete, complicated and low performance ones! And, as it seems, you didn't understand what I meant when say about Renton and S.J. dos Campos... (research which aircraft manufacturers are installed in this places and WHICH economies are so benefited). Open your mind...
@@RobertoRMOLA Does Renton produce comparable turboprops? Because if we include jets, some very good and very reliable airplanes are produced in Toulouse.
At the time this video came out, the ATRs reputation for being seriously affected by icing conditions was totally out there. There had already been 3 crashes due to ice, and nearly all ATRs had been removed from North America to warmer climates. That's a major, major drawback that this guy doesn't even hint at.
Dear friend. Many thanks for this great video and your honest opinions. I am really impressed the way you explain. Many thanks for contribution to Aviation world
Thank you! Very interesting. Flying in Indonesia must have been beautiful. Definitely a place I want to visit. What island would you say is most beautiful? I know you fly the 737 now, what part of the world are you flying in?
Later models do have VNAV and are fully capable of RNAV approaches to LPV minima. I think version 2 of the flight guidance system added that. I tried, but failed, to find when it was released. Any older models could be upgraded to include it, if the airline cared to do so.
bout what you mrntionrd the Avionic Systems on ATR: You know what ATR means? ALWAYS TRY RESET!!!! I've workrd on ATR's for more than 30 Years and 95% the Reset worked. I can live with that.
Great channel found it very recently, loving your videos already especially detailed technical explanations and sharing your professional experience. As a student pilot, your videos keeps me motivated studying ATPL even during hard times! Keep doing great content, Captain.
The ATR series have a history of spin/ rapid rolling on stall accidents and looking at that tiny, high aspect ratio wing with no slats makes that plausible. I think the original design was stretched too much and there is little pilots can do once they get into even moderate icing.
I grew up with fokker 50, Flew the atr72 (1800hrs), b73ng and now airbus. Honestly, if fokker didn't go bust... it will beat the night out of the ATR !😆 very fair vedio Capt 👍. Yeah the avionics ain't great. I can tell you the 737ng i flown has 10 times better avionics reliability than ATR and Airbus. Atrs and airbus i am flying now... the avionics breaks under the sun ! So annoying...
the narrow width of those wings is suspect for a large plane. icing exacerbates the problem reducing the already narrow surface area of the wings reducing lift
You forgot to mention 2 things: 1. Aileron lift that might be created in an emergency is sometimes so high that 2 strong pilots might not be able to fight it without power steering. Lack of power steering in such a massive plane is a joke. 2. Famous icing problems of ATR
Hi! Must tell honestly, I really enjoy watching every of your videos and reading posts on Instagram 😉. I personally come from Ukraine too and since 2016 I've became an aviation lover 😅. And I can only confirm the words about simple 737NG FCOM (I've understood it only while having a big quantity of enthusiasm and veeery basic aviation knowledge (I was 14 😅)). Nowadays I try to do all procedures, which are possible in flight simulator and will finish school this year.. stop. I have a bit forgotten what I was going to write at first 😂😂. All in all, I can see that you are very pleasured with your job. And it's the main factor in aviation, I think. You have an amazing facility to explain difficult things at simple language. And... I wish you smooth landings, happy passengers and good luck ✊🏻 PS: I'm waiting for similar videos about my favorite 737 and new posts about the life of airline pilots of the best airline of Ukraine, UIA ❤😉. Will try to write comments more often 😂😂😂
Hi! Vlad. It is very kind of you to write that comment. Thank you very much for supporting me here and on Instagram. I don't have many subscribers so far but I enjoy communication with our small family 😊. Of course I will make the video about the Boeing737 in future. Thanks again!
I'm a licensed rated engineer on the ATR and wonder if the deice boot design allows more water to stream onto the wings (the inflatable boot chambers are vertical - not parallel with the wing) and significantly contributes to icing issues
Probably the only and perfectly explained video about ATR I found on UA-cam.
I didn't even try to make it interesting...Still wounder why you like it😂 Anyway, you are Awesome!
Has visto el canal Skyships Eng con el vídeo ATR 42/72 turboprop european? También está Skyships en español.
Simple, short, precise, smart presentation of ATR 42/72 pros and cons, Well done Captain Denys my friend.
Many thanks for your warm comment!
Capt. please keep coming with the ATR videos. They are very helpful. I am a Type-Rated pilot on 72-600 with zero hours and I have my sim check on the 27th of this month with the national carrier of India your knowledge is highly appreciated.
Hello, my friend! Now I have some problems filming about the ATR, because I was flying it more than 3 year ago. Now I am Boeing pilot. I will film what I can. But I don't have access to airplane itself anymore.
Wish you good luck with your training. Safe flights!
I fly the ATR, absolute beauty to fly manually! It is notoriously known for not flying well in icing conditions but other than it is an amazing plane to fly
Hi! I used to fly it in severe icing. Nothing special. Just need to follow some limits and everything will be fine.
@@PilotBlogDenysking air ❤beach craft
So why is Finnair operating ATR72-500 in winter in their own country?
eeeeee the ATR is used in the north here.....literally the tundra
lol wow this happened today in Brazil. Well it’s what Redditors are saying
I am here because Flight Simulator released the 42/72-600 and it's beautiful.
Anyone here after the brazil air crash 😢
my country is currently operating 3 ATR72 , I don't think they are new ones
Yep,
Yes
what ATR companie says about this another crash ?
Very intelligent man. He gave such a simple but comprehensive explanation of the airplane.
I wish more UA-cam presenters had his skills. So many of them think they are the story.
Great video.
Wow, thanks!
and perhaps in his second language - very impressive
The most crystal clear explanation of ATR planes . Awesome 👏 keep it up 👍!!!
Hello! I'm happy you didn't have A-Icing issues. I flew the 72-212/212A and experienced the same horror that AE4184 experienced with the aileron hinge point reversal. Luckily I lived, albeit barely. I will say that once I stepped off that aircraft on my last trip, I vowed never to get back on an ATR whether it be as flight crew or passenger. We didn't have the glass cockpit, or even GPS at the time. I hope as technology increased, so did safety. I have a sour spot in my heart for this aircraft, but I'm happy that they, apparently, got better. BTW a search of crash history for these aircraft yields a disproportionate amount of ice related accidents than does other aircraft.
Don’t worry about the deicing issue I’ve heard it’s fixed for newer models. But yeah you probably should be careful of older ATR’s as a passenger. For freight it’s not really an issue because they could take it more slowly. A newer models like the 600 are fixed and I think also the 500.
Hi, can you explain me how you got your aileron reversal ? Airspeed, altitude, flaps setting and propeller pitch RPM ? I flew the first ATR42 in Quebec ( when the atr crashed in Ontario Canada) holding in icing with flap extended. I have 4600 hours on it. I can tell you that as long as the ATR limitations where adhered to, all was more then fine.
I have 1 occasion in my 6 years on the machine where we accumulated severe icing at 12000ft, poped out of the clouds in clear sky and the entire aircraft was shaking du to the ice accumulations on the 4 blades propeller. So much that the cabine crew came to see use. I now have 22000 h captain on B777, A310, and L-1011 and do not trust me but you may believe my words on it.
Ich kann nicht begreifen dass man die Flügel nicht heizen kann wie auch bei den grösseren Flugzeuge. Vereisung ist da schlimmste was es gibt und gefährlich, dass man das Eis zuerst anfrieren lassen muss und dann erst absprengen kann. Ein Defizit in der jetzigen technologischen Welt. Crash in der Nähe Como auch eine ATR Vereisung. Stall
Wow, my best friend is a current ATR Captain and shares your sentiment. Horrible in ice.
I flew ATR for many years... horrible machine.
1 Under powered.( what else can a say... yeah fuel efficient but I need power please)
2 Icing "magnet" ( fun to fly CAVOK otherwise deep shit)
3 Challenging ground control on landing and take off roll, specially on cross winds (narrow distance between main landing gear + high wing)
4 No APU.(hotel Mode is crap and noisy)
5 Cargo compartment in between cockpit and cabin!😳
6 Rear main access!!😂😂🤦♂️
1 and 2 are highly related. Not having power will force you to fly in the worst layers of the atmosphere. Again, deep shit.
A great plane to start flying/building hours. Then please apply for a Jet. What a game changer!!!❤
Love the in-depth technicalities.
Thank you!
Ikr me, my wife and our son love that about his videos. 😀
Hello there, your 1000th subscriber here.
Im an engineer working on A320, B737NG and ATR72-500 & 600, though i work on ATR for only 5 years now, one thing i notice was the DU is phisically unreliable, it happens to be faulty easily (either display F or totally blank), compared to the DU of B737NG & A320 which which rarely had the same issue.
Suspect the 600 DU was having a cooling issue (we prevent this by cleaning the cooling air inlet holes every somehundred FH ) or just basically heat sensitive itself, since ATR avionic cooling system was also less effective (it only had one extract fan, compared to B737 two extract & two blowing fan), not to mention the aircond itself which is not too effective especially with OAT above 30°C and you only had the hotel mode for both packs.
So maybe its only a problem here on equatorial climate though, overall still a reliable machine to work with.
Hi! You are great! Thanks for subscribing to my channel! I always recpect engineers. They do their best to keep airplanes fit to fly! I had issues with ATR DUs. They overheat so I had to reduce the brightness, but I had never seen the totally blank DU. Yes, I think B737 DU is better... But on ATR's DUs you have more information. Thanks again! You are awesome!👍
Agree, information given on ATR DUs was a top notch, i personally like how the electronic checklist automatically cycle the MFD to show the respective system page. And also the MISC page which very usefull on Engine Ground Run-Up, all of which you won't find even on A320.
What make ATR DUs different though, on B737 & A320 the DUs was only served as "Display". On ATR its also part of the Integrated System along with CACs, FMS & RMS. Hence, on A320 & B737 after we finished replacing the DU, then the job was done. But on ATR theres an additional requirements to install the Operating System Software followed by AVS Config Software which is unique to each A/C MSN. Otherwise you'll have that annoying "BAD CONFIG" msg.
Your channel is awesome, keep up the great content.
Terima Kasih.
ATR (72-212) was my first “Type” rating. I loved it.
Beach craft, ❤king air
Great channel captain! ATR72-500 was the first airplane I ever flew on, so much memories
Yeah that plane is good one! Espesially for start.
ATR72-600 was the first one I flew on
It was either an Air Dolomiti ATR 42-320 ATR 42-500 or an ATR 72-212A(500). I cant remember I was a baby
Caravelle for me.
Perfect video to get ready for the MSFS ATR. Looking forward to this beauty when I finish work tomorrow!
Wow ... Very Well Explained. Was waiting for a video like this for a long time.
Thanks a lot 😊
Here after the plane crash in Brazil.
I’m from Brazil, maybe the problem there was ice 🧊 on the wings, Atr is famous with that problems.
@@paulowesley1 The ATR entered service 35 years ago with the Finnish airline Finnair, which requested a version with de-icing devices, and never had any problems. Unfortunately, in later years many airlines operating in warmer climates did not require such devices. It is now standard equipment, but the problem remains for aircraft sold up to 10 years ago.
@@paulowesley1 gelo nao deveria ser problema para uma aeronave moderna ne amigao
@@MarcoMenozziPro almost 0,5 crashes per year!!! 35 years of operation and 18 crashes, awful plane
@@MarcoMenozziPro Voe Pass ATR-72's has de-icing boots, one of then fly with holed boot.
Hi, great video! The VNAV button became operative with the STD 2 software and has become my best friend. I fly in Thailand, and we do a lot of LNAV/VNAV approaches here.
Cool! When I was flying ATR72-600 in Garuda-Indonesia it wasn't even installed on FGCP panel. Thanks for your comment!👍
It's actually an optional extra. Not even all STD 2s or STD 3s have it.
Sir. Very well laid out. You have touched almost all the points.
I’ve flown King Air 200 and 250, Fokker 50 and Boeing 737-7 and 737-8. I must admit that I enjoyed turboprop most. The F-50 was a very nice and reliable a/c!
On the Boeing we quite often did 25-30 minutes turnarounds😅
Very nice!
I have flown many times on ATR 72 , its stable, comfortable and I like its STOL capability ! In less than 20 sec it takes off already.
OK correction..It takes off in after around 25-30 sec
This was the first and only airliner I flew and I loved it. We had, if I recall about 200 ATR's at some point. To me, the 42 was very docile and very forgiving. The 72-212A Now called 500, would talk back to me complaining and then did what I told it to do. The early ATR72's were the ATR72-200 series. They only had 2400HP, god they were terrible. They were eventually upgraded to the 2700HP & new props among a few other changes. Then the remainder was delivered that way. The 72's were very squirely in a strong crosswind. Oh and god they god hot as heck in the summer on the ground.
I was sad when we got rid of them all. I was hoping we were going to get the 600 series, but it did not happen. I know Jets are the Now and the Future, but I think they might return. Especially with that new advanced ATR42s, but the USA does not like the TurboProps, but there are a fan base for them and I am one of them.
Wow! Great comment! Thanks Robert! 600 version is great! They made a great step with that airplane regarding cockpit operation... Thanks again!
@@PilotBlogDenys Thank you. The video was well done.
Thank you! I flew it a few times in MSFS, nice handling but all this automation in the cockpit is a lot to learn for me as a home pilot :)
I like the idea of controls without hydraulics. I drive an old BMW sports car and it may steer a little harder, and it has a manual transmission but it's great to feel in your hands what you are doing like you said with the controls on the ATR. I always like your videos. Thank you.
Parallel parking?
It's a snap. I'm old, I learned young. We old folks are pretty talented.
I can add a con for the ATR
I am 187cm tall and that means the ceiling of the ATR 72-500 touches my head. I also had to duck down just to exit the aircraft because I banged my head on the fuselage of the ATR. However, the service and efficiency of this aircraft is what makes me happy flying it.
Great that you fly that machine. I miss it sometimes... I am 188cm, so same problem 😅
@@PilotBlogDenys I fly it as a passenger and not a pilot just for info. Hope to be a 737 Captain as you soon. Also, is it possible for hotel mode to be engaged on ENG 1?
@@MalaysianAviator737-8 Oh, I see. There are some rare modifications with propeller brakes on both engines.
@@PilotBlogDenys I see, I guess that explains why the back of a Fireflyz ATR 72-500 is cooler compared to the Malindo Air ATR72-600. My face literally burnt while we boarded. Thank you
@@MalaysianAviator737-8 Yes, the air-condition system is quite bad on ATRs during the Hotel Mode operation.
Great and very honest video about the ATR. I enjoyed watching this!
ATR-42s and 72s are being used in Philippines. Usually around 200 mile routes
Beautiful beautiful aircraft ATR
A second helpful comment For this icing problem would be to put a mod/fairing on the upper surface of the wing just ahead of the ailerons to stop that ice building up and nullifying the ailerons ,so not losing aileron control in ice.
very detailed and thorough video! hope to fly these someday soon!
The most fantastic video. I was looking into the atr
Glad you enjoyed it!
ATRs from the way i see it, its not a totally bad plane, but its also obvious to see there are lots of cost cutting measures in it. Another thing worth mentioning is the cargo compartment in ATRs are strapped in with netting, left and wight of the walkway ! Vs Fokker 50 it was solid door. On multiple ocasions our cockpit door was blocked by loosened netting. That itself is a safety hazard.
Nice video, Captain! Thank for this interesting blogs about aviation and your life in aviation!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love this video, Very understandable 🏅
Thank you for your support 👍
Possibly another icing problem that led to a deep stall together with the difficuties caused by the T-construction which makes it difficult to escape from a stall. So sad. From the pictures of the crash, you would have thought that a few people would have survived. But they all died. Condolences to all the relatives.
Hello from Brazil
just happened yesterday august 15 2024
atr flight ptb 2211 called mayday and thank god landed safely.
Just like you mentioned in this video
Cockpit display screens went blank (black) during flight😮
I answered videos on this aircraft crash a few times and will answer this one in the same fashion.
According to US NTSB report on American Eagle Flt 4184 this fatal crash in Chicago was caused by icing on the wings. There is now this one in Brazil which appears to be from same case. There have been other similar crashes amounting to many lives lost. They whoever they ,are seem to be very concerned because of what I see is a marketing answer, type of response. From the NTSB report on 4184 there was an icing problem and as far as I know one crashed in Canada from icing. I would not fly in it until his situation is cleared up. !
Nice video, doing my ATR72-600 type rating in April, finding your videos very informative
Wish you luck, you'll find that airplane very nice to fly! Thanks for your comment!
13:28, No side windows. We recently lost pilots of Precision air in our country due to this. The plane landed in water along the shores of lake victoria in Tanzania. Pilots were alive but locked in the cockpit, with sealed windows. Some fishermen saw the pilots asking for help to be saved, and when a boy wanted to break the windshield with a large hammer, some official on a megaphone stopped the fisherman from breaking the windshield. eventually, the pilots drowned.
It might not be a con but ATR pilots have to walk all the way to the far aft of the aircraft for bathroom, sometimes service trollies blocking the path so have to have some patience.
Haha , yes! That is true.
I see an ATR 72 has gone down in in Pokhara today
I fly the atr on Microsoft flight SIM 😂 you have a dream job would love to be a real pilot. Huge respect
As a french man it is interesting to have the ATR aircraft family evaluated by a Russian pilot, the Russian and Urainian nation itselves having brought forth such marvelleous turboprops as the Antonov AN-70
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Thanks for the video!!
Wow.. stumbled on this video today 😅.
Very informative, will look for another video in this channel.
Selamat sore from Bali 😊.
Very nice channel, as an aircraft maintenance engineer I like it very much!
I am jet pilot I am a first officer I flown on a320/1 and now I fly 330 /340 I have total 8000 hrs .but I want to fly atr or any turboprop but after this video I think I have to think a lot .it is very after flying 15 years on jet to fly turboprop. Thanks for the video
Awesome video.
Thanks for the vid! As a big regional aviation enthusiast I'm really looking forward to Windrose starting ATR operation in Ukraine :D
Yeah, I hope they will get those planes. Thanks for the comment!
Since late 2021 Engines have since been upgraded to the new PW127XT powerplants with 20% lower maintenance cost and 3% lower fuel consumption than the predecessor PW127M powerplant
Used to visit the instructors office room in ATR training center in Bangkok. There's a big poster beside the desk of Head of Training that says:
Kids fly Airbus
Men fly Boeing
But only legends fly ATR
Haha)) Yes I know that meme)))
Great job Captain! Well organized and all information was relevant. Happy Flying!
Much appreciated!
We do a ground turn around in 20 minutes in India.❤️
Indigo??
Underpowered with Icing issues , not a good combination in winter
I got about the same amount of flight hours in ATRs as you.
- ATR should stand for "Aircraft of Transients and Resets", a reality in winter or in summer, indistinctly in all ATRs I've flown.
- Hydraulically assisted surfaces could dispense that ridiculous horns in the tip of surfaces, that must be heated (not pneumatic booted) in order to protect against ice build up. And the handling would be better in icing conditions, as well. There are plenty of hydraulics from that ACW pumps.
- The ONLY ice protection efficient in this aircraft are preventive procedures. Hence a good and well maintained weather radar is a MUST. Avoid every type of medium and heavy cloud formation!
- Engines with 3500 to 4000 SHP would be better. A more operational flexibility would contribute to fuel efficiency, something this aircraft doesn't really have (I've always smiled when ATC asked to increase climb rate: something around 500/700 fpm was usual!).
- No opening side windows is something disappointing. Pilots evacuation can be done - from the cockpit - ONLY through a ceiling hatch, whose correct operation is NOT covered by the aircraft manuals! Be prepared: if you try to open that hatch, it will fall and hit your head, since it is not hinged. And it will have pressurization leaks, after you (try to) close it.
- Environment control is one of the most hated features in ATRs. Duct overheat is a frequent condition in places where air conditioning is most desired! And such failure are NO-GO - ground maintenance MUST correct the failure before take off.
- Tail strike is another common event. My colleagues used to say "There are two types of ATR pilots: those who have had a tail strike and those who are yet to have it". The main landing gears are positioned a bit too forward (on the ATR 72) and the tail can hit the ground even with the aircraft parked and braked. The manual says that three people standing in the rear galley and no one in the rest of the cabin, the tail can touch the ground.
- The aft door feature is something totally obsolete. A front passenger door would solve tail strike during pax/cargo loading. The motor that powers the front cargo door is also totally unnecessary and prone to failures. A manual operated door would be much simpler, quicker and efficient.
- I have ONLY bad thoughts about ATR manuals! The number of memory items in this aircraft is much much much superior than any other plane! As an example: The infamous procedure for Uncommanded Feather at Take Off requires - in an extremely difficult moment - that the pilot "digs" information on the panel to understand what is actually happening! Instead of implementing an electronic warning logic for the busy pilot in the take-off procedure, the manufacturer only issued papers and recommendations, relying only on specific training and the pilot's ability to discern and memorize alerts, events and conditions and take the right conclusion. Translations are something hilarious, like "On Ground" Emergency Evacuation emergency checklist, for instance...
- Last criticism for ATRs: they are made in Toulouse, France, not in Renton, WA or in São José dos Campos, Brazil...
And if I am correct I think the dash 8 comes with a APU to start the engines and the atr does not so you have to keep one engine running on the ground or have a service truck
@@ronparrish6666 Yes, I forgot this one...
"- Last criticism for ATRs: they are made in Toulouse, France, not in Renton, WA or in São José dos Campos, Brazil...". That's not a minus. That's a plus. This generates money for the European economies, especially the French and the Italian.
@@todortodorov940 Oh, sure that is important for a manufacturer to generate revenue and profit for the owners and countries economies. However it is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE to produce good, reliable and efficient airplanes, not obsolete, complicated and low performance ones! And, as it seems, you didn't understand what I meant when say about Renton and S.J. dos Campos... (research which aircraft manufacturers are installed in this places and WHICH economies are so benefited). Open your mind...
@@RobertoRMOLA Does Renton produce comparable turboprops? Because if we include jets, some very good and very reliable airplanes are produced in Toulouse.
first time viewer, enjoyed this video very much.
This is best channel to know about aircraft
Thank you captain
At the time this video came out, the ATRs reputation for being seriously affected by icing conditions was totally out there. There had already been 3 crashes due to ice, and nearly all ATRs had been removed from North America to warmer climates. That's a major, major drawback that this guy doesn't even hint at.
Dear friend. Many thanks for this great video and your honest opinions. I am really impressed the way you explain. Many thanks for contribution to Aviation world
So nice of you, Mehmet. Thanks for watching!
Great video. I can see that you would be a good instructor. Nice clear explanation
Your Yaw DamFer has got me in tears 😄😄
Excellent rundown of this aircraft, which has become famous recently for all the wrong reasons.
Brilliant
I like your explanation style with cray and black board, simply because it is so effetive
Thank you! I really apreciate it!
Too bad you never flew the Dash 8 Q400. Would love your opinion on that. Excellent turboprop.
Thank you! Very interesting. Flying in Indonesia must have been beautiful. Definitely a place I want to visit. What island would you say is most beautiful? I know you fly the 737 now, what part of the world are you flying in?
Hi there! I work for UIA in Ukraine. Thanks for your comment.
Amasing :D awesome videos and you really can explain!! looking forward for the next 72-600 videos, thank you very much, captain!!
Thank you for supporting me!
Very good explanation. Thanks a lot captain.
I totally enjoyed this! Thanks for the info!
So glad!
Excellent video thank you! Subbed!
Thanks for the sub! You are now officially awesome guy!
Turbosprops are crashing a lot, last month in Nepal, today in Brasil!
out of how many flights?
18 crashes in total
great video captain 👍🏽
Thank you! Thanks for watching me.
One thing that I hate about ATR the most is, because it has no APU, the cabin can become unbearably hot on the ground.
That's why Pilot can use , propeller brake and use the Hotel mode. Works like APU.
Later models do have VNAV and are fully capable of RNAV approaches to LPV minima. I think version 2 of the flight guidance system added that. I tried, but failed, to find when it was released. Any older models could be upgraded to include it, if the airline cared to do so.
Thanks Cap
Add the tag to easy UA-cam viewer to watch and find your video captain...
Will do that, thanks for advice.!
bout what you mrntionrd the Avionic Systems on ATR: You know what ATR means? ALWAYS TRY RESET!!!! I've workrd on ATR's for more than 30 Years and 95% the Reset worked. I can live with that.
Quick Trivia:
A320 fuel consumption on ground with 2 engines idle has the same fuel consumption of Atr72 while on flight. Talk about fuel efficiency.
Yep I is very efficient.
good job capt very well done on the atr
Great channel found it very recently, loving your videos already especially detailed technical explanations and sharing your professional experience. As a student pilot, your videos keeps me motivated studying ATPL even during hard times! Keep doing great content, Captain.
Welcome aboard! You are awesome!
The ATR series have a history of spin/ rapid rolling on stall accidents and looking at that tiny, high aspect ratio wing with no slats makes that plausible. I think the original design was stretched too much and there is little pilots can do once they get into even moderate icing.
Thanks for this lecture!
Well-explained Captain! Thanks
Thanks for watching
I grew up with fokker 50, Flew the atr72 (1800hrs), b73ng and now airbus.
Honestly, if fokker didn't go bust... it will beat the night out of the ATR !😆 very fair vedio Capt 👍.
Yeah the avionics ain't great. I can tell you the 737ng i flown has 10 times better avionics reliability than ATR and Airbus. Atrs and airbus i am flying now... the avionics breaks under the sun ! So annoying...
Well explained I like your content especially since I'm planning to start a airline thank you for the info
Glad it was helpful!
the narrow width of those wings is suspect for a large plane. icing exacerbates the problem reducing the already narrow surface area of the wings reducing lift
Why are ATRs preferred over Dash variants in the arctic regions such as Northern Canada and Russia?
Very good explain👌☺️
Thanks a lot 😊
Excellent job…‼️
I have always wanted to fly in an atr. Just once.
You can have it. I live in northern Canada where there is a lot of icing. Count me out. Give me my Dash 8s and Q-400s any day!
Hello from indonesia, op garuda and atr72
But SIGWX here in indonesia also show moderate icing on FL170
U the best
You forgot to mention 2 things:
1. Aileron lift that might be created in an emergency is sometimes so high that 2 strong pilots might not be able to fight it without power steering. Lack of power steering in such a massive plane is a joke.
2. Famous icing problems of ATR
Great video and explanation
Glad you liked it!
Thanks Mate!!
You're welcome!
Hi! Must tell honestly, I really enjoy watching every of your videos and reading posts on Instagram 😉. I personally come from Ukraine too and since 2016 I've became an aviation lover 😅. And I can only confirm the words about simple 737NG FCOM (I've understood it only while having a big quantity of enthusiasm and veeery basic aviation knowledge (I was 14 😅)). Nowadays I try to do all procedures, which are possible in flight simulator and will finish school this year.. stop. I have a bit forgotten what I was going to write at first 😂😂. All in all, I can see that you are very pleasured with your job. And it's the main factor in aviation, I think. You have an amazing facility to explain difficult things at simple language.
And...
I wish you smooth landings, happy passengers and good luck ✊🏻
PS: I'm waiting for similar videos about my favorite 737 and new posts about the life of airline pilots of the best airline of Ukraine, UIA ❤😉. Will try to write comments more often 😂😂😂
Hi! Vlad. It is very kind of you to write that comment. Thank you very much for supporting me here and on Instagram. I don't have many subscribers so far but I enjoy communication with our small family 😊. Of course I will make the video about the Boeing737 in future. Thanks again!
Brilliant video! Thank you very much
Glad you liked it!
write something about hot weather operations of atr72, especially about decreasing of maximum payload in hot weather
Hm. The was no case for me... But I haven't flown it in very hot weather.
I'm a licensed rated engineer on the ATR and wonder if the deice boot design allows more water to stream onto the wings (the inflatable boot chambers are vertical - not parallel with the wing) and significantly contributes to icing issues
Coming here after the Brazil Crash of one ATR due to severe ice conditions 😢
Gracias, muy buen análisis. Bravo. “Spasiva “ Jajjjjjj
Thanks)))
ATR system is awesome 🙏🏻🇱🇰
Excellent video!
Thanks, mate!