Codrian Drasil I'm glad we get to see him as a reoccurring character in Tales of Berseria. We get to see the origin of his issues with Shepherds and promise to Eizen.
@@knowledgeseeker4614 Instead he picks a fight with you multiple times before finally joining. I was worried he was this game's version of Ivar at first.
It's too bad you can't have both Dezel and Zaveid in the party. I love them both. It's like Alisha and Rose. Makes me sad, 'cause there's always at least one character missing out on the good stuff. When games use mutually exclusive characters, I prefer it when we get to pick who stays (like Zelos/Kratos). There's still a character missing out, but you get to use the other for the whole story, and can choose for yourself.
Maybe this is one of the aspects that made Tales of Symphonia so popular; this was a decision that had some affect on the rest of the story and it encouraged multiple playthroughs to see everything. I typically play Tales games through at least twice, sometimes a fair bit more but much as I enjoy some things this game brings to the table (like armatizing), replayability is not one of its strong points. The way character replacement works here is not something more playthroughs adds to.
King X Yeah, it could be. I think Zelos and Kratos are pretty popular, so I guess people would replay to try it differently next time. Plus the relationship mechanic gives you different lines and scenes. Zestirira would definitely have more replayability if they'd done it in that style! As it is, I'm on my second PT now, and except for stuff I missed, it's all pretty much the same.
ok imagine this alisha is deemed a war criminal for the death of the general of humans and goes off on the lamb zaveid meets her, and decides to make her his vessel and boosting her resonance when dezel,is about to blast himself zaveid calls him ,a moron and does it instead upon being shot out like that zaveid finds himself to be human after the shot and zaveid gives them the story of what is to happen, zaveid undergoes the squire pact alongside alisha and become able to armatize and that is how I would change the cluster fuck of character development
Somethings to consider. 1. There's a dlc about the adventures of Alisha and Rose (and seraph gang). Probably about events after Sorey defeated the LoC. (I shall search for more information later). 2. ---SPOILERS--- Rose is suspected to be dead at the end of Zestiria (post-mid credit scene). Her two blades are at the grave. On the grave is etched "Numin" (not sure what that means but I'm starting to watch the playthrough of the game.
You know, the second skit would have gone a lot smoother if they just answered their elemtal weakness. Since you know Zaveid answer that way (he's weak against fire).
Zaveid hits on anything remotely female - even when fighting female enemies, all his attack declarations turn into pickup lines (which makes fighting his crucible TOTALLY worth it). Lailah isn't special. Edna, though…Edna is quite special. Personally, I ship him with Edna. She's not ACTUALLY a child, after all, she just looks like one because she wants to.
Olivier Dubreuil-Gagnon To be fair, and spoilers below... He DID lose one lover already, after she became a Dragon. Methinks he’s trying to fill a void, in all honesty.
I think it's more about personality sorey is kind and pretty compasionate artorius is the complete opposite he sacrificed a little boy willing or not and tried to strip away everyone's emotions
Zaveid hated Artorius because the Abbey treated Malak as a tool and even turned some of them into a dragon. Meanwhile Sorey is treating anyone with compassion and kindness, and treats Seraphim as his friends.
+Robert Shepherd For Mikleo, it'd be more appropriate for him to use a weapon related to the fire element. Traditionally speaking, if you follow Edna's line of talk, Mikleo should be using a sword or dagger since they are forged through flames.
Hm... Tales of Destiny has Leon vs Garr (Woodrow in japanese version) Tales of Symphonia has Kratos vs Zelos Tales of Zestiria has Dezel vs Zaveid. I see.
wow you calling me an imbecile for no reason when your the real stupid one for putting vs instead of saying what u mean. think before u write this is why internet fights start for stupid reasons
how is it obvious u labeled each tales game with each rival going against each other when u said vs, there is no indication u left here stating that one character that replaces other :/
Looks to me like they were experimenting with things to keep the series fresh, in this case the concept of temporary characters to be replaced by another. This game has two! I commend them for wanting to try some new things but now they've given that a go I hope they never do it again, not quite like this anyway. It appears Dezel is more popular than Zaveid so the great tragedy is who replaces him. Then again this is the sort of thing that encourages more emotional involvement in the game and it is more memorable for it. Dezel at least still has the odd interaction as a gust of wind.
+King X I suspect it's because you actually catch onto a lot of Dezel's tragic backstory and you see him struggling with it, trying to keep his distance while at the same time developing a tough-love affection for the others. Then they replace him with a "mysterious" womanizer and you see nothing really that makes Zaveid the way he is. If they'd gone through the trouble of building on Zaveid's past to give the players a legitimate reason why he /wanted/ to replace Dezel, then the affection for him might have grown. They don't even really go into how Dezel and Zaveid knew each other previously, which might have helped. But, since they didn't, you essentially have the asshole everyone knows and loves being replaced by an unknown who seems to think he's more important than he really is. All Zaveid gets is the distinction of being the 'hottie wind guy.' They don't give him any substance.
As much as people rag on the Alisha deal they actually build up the whole arc around both Alisha and Rose quite well. Alisha is your typical princess who wants to help others. And the game always made a point that she barely had enough resonance to feel the seraph's presence and needed Sorey's help to hear them and later see them. It was obvious she lacked the qualification to be a Squire from the get go and Lailah even hints as such beforehand. And thematically Alisha is just Sorey without shepard powers. She wants to help others, she doesn't like killing and sees the world in black and white. Rose is the other perspective the game wanted to bring to the table. The idea that some people are irredeemable begins when you are joined by an assassin who then takes on the job of killing the Hellions that Sorey can't purify. While Sorey struggles with the idea of killing hellions, Rose has to swallow her pity and take on the role of putting them to rest. And the game eventually leads down the role that not everyone can be saved, not everyone is "pure", so the introduction of Rose and the Assassins was the start of the thematic.
so that's what the english dubbing sounds like -_-... havent gone with it cause I figured that original is always the best and seems like I was right. btw Zaveid is like the best character in the game imo haha-- dude is funny
Strong against earth? Pretty sure Eizen would sweep the floor with him XD
ian sinclair kills it yet again
Eizen would punch him lol.
Frozen Kainen They did fight multiple times in Tales of Berseria. We got to see the promise that was made.
+Knowledgeseeker Of course; but it's funny lol.
Eizen did punch him. XD That was an awesome fight too. Total chaos. :D
Yup, but Edna can take care of herself. She’s tough.
He has multiple times
Zaveid is best character. No one can tell me otherwise. :3
Codrian Drasil I'm glad we get to see him as a reoccurring character in Tales of Berseria. We get to see the origin of his issues with Shepherds and promise to Eizen.
Fight me Mickleo is
EDNA BIATCH!
"I'm strong against earth"
gets Venom Striked
Dies
I love the fact that Zaveid is like a foot taller than Mikleo
"I'm strong against earth"
Eizen: X for doubt
Zaveid gets payback time, in Zestiria, 1000 years after when they fight Eizen in dragon form.
He reminds me of Alvin from Xillia...
KittyCat Except he doesn't betray you constantly.
@@knowledgeseeker4614 Instead he picks a fight with you multiple times before finally joining. I was worried he was this game's version of Ivar at first.
It's too bad you can't have both Dezel and Zaveid in the party. I love them both. It's like Alisha and Rose. Makes me sad, 'cause there's always at least one character missing out on the good stuff.
When games use mutually exclusive characters, I prefer it when we get to pick who stays (like Zelos/Kratos). There's still a character missing out, but you get to use the other for the whole story, and can choose for yourself.
Maybe this is one of the aspects that made Tales of Symphonia so popular; this was a decision that had some affect on the rest of the story and it encouraged multiple playthroughs to see everything.
I typically play Tales games through at least twice, sometimes a fair bit more but much as I enjoy some things this game brings to the table (like armatizing), replayability is not one of its strong points. The way character replacement works here is not something more playthroughs adds to.
King X Yeah, it could be. I think Zelos and Kratos are pretty popular, so I guess people would replay to try it differently next time. Plus the relationship mechanic gives you different lines and scenes.
Zestirira would definitely have more replayability if they'd done it in that style! As it is, I'm on my second PT now, and except for stuff I missed, it's all pretty much the same.
ok imagine this
alisha is deemed a war criminal for the death of the general of humans and goes off on the lamb
zaveid meets her, and decides to make her his vessel and boosting her resonance
when dezel,is about to blast himself zaveid calls him ,a moron and does it instead
upon being shot out like that zaveid finds himself to be human after the shot and zaveid gives them the story of what is to happen, zaveid undergoes the squire pact alongside alisha and become able to armatize
and that is how I would change the cluster fuck of character development
Sadly it's becoming more like the old traditions.
Phantasia- (Chester)
Destiny- (Leon)
Eternia- (Ras)
Graces- (Richard [Original Wii] )
Symphonia- (you know it)
Symphonia 2- (Richter)
Abyss- (Ion [in form of Mystic Arte] )
Vesperia- (Flynn [XBox] )
Zestiria- (Alisha/Dezel)
Berseria- (Seres [beginning only] )
Weak against fire.....ohhhh that's why he treats Lilah different.
Zavied is being half naked... not gonna complain. In the other game, he was weapon clothes
I want a Zestiria 2. These characters were my first in the franchise and I love them!
Somethings to consider.
1. There's a dlc about the adventures of Alisha and Rose (and seraph gang). Probably about events after Sorey defeated the LoC. (I shall search for more information later).
2. ---SPOILERS---
Rose is suspected to be dead at the end of Zestiria (post-mid credit scene). Her two blades are at the grave. On the grave is etched "Numin" (not sure what that means but I'm starting to watch the playthrough of the game.
You know, the second skit would have gone a lot smoother if they just answered their elemtal weakness. Since you know Zaveid answer that way (he's weak against fire).
in other dimension, earth is weak against water
John Rey Well, you can't have fire stronger than water...though it works if it is ice...
Other times it's just opposites. They're weak against each other.
林振华 sometimes they are split, like in Pokémon, where ice and water are separated elements. Even though they should alway be together.
he's hitting on lailah a lot. think he likes her! i ship them
@Olivier Dubreuil-Gagnon 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Zaveid hits on anything remotely female - even when fighting female enemies, all his attack declarations turn into pickup lines (which makes fighting his crucible TOTALLY worth it). Lailah isn't special. Edna, though…Edna is quite special. Personally, I ship him with Edna. She's not ACTUALLY a child, after all, she just looks like one because she wants to.
Olivier Dubreuil-Gagnon
To be fair, and spoilers below...
He DID lose one lover already, after she became a Dragon. Methinks he’s trying to fill a void, in all honesty.
He could stand to cool off with that, tho.
@@Wandergirl108
Still looks and acts like a kid tho
gosh he acts like Zelos that personality LOL i love him so funny
Zaveid hated Shepherd Artorius, but he’s kind of fine around Sorey?
They are both Shepards but have different personalities. Like how he is cool with Velvet but is willing to defeat other lords of calamity.
I think it's more about personality sorey is kind and pretty compasionate artorius is the complete opposite he sacrificed a little boy willing or not and tried to strip away everyone's emotions
Zaveid hated Artorius because the Abbey treated Malak as a tool and even turned some of them into a dragon.
Meanwhile Sorey is treating anyone with compassion and kindness, and treats Seraphim as his friends.
edna was spitting facts
wait, wait, wait. With Lailah, did he mean to imply she pads her chest?
what?!?!?
Nah he was going to give away her measurements
Zaveid reminds me of Rashid from Street Fighter V.
Wait a minute if what everything Edna just said in that last skit is true, then what weapon would a fire sereph likelu use?
She specified Lailah uses wind-imbued paper.
Then do u think he ll do the same with the other with his staff?
+Robert Shepherd For Mikleo, it'd be more appropriate for him to use a weapon related to the fire element. Traditionally speaking, if you follow Edna's line of talk, Mikleo should be using a sword or dagger since they are forged through flames.
Mama B duh thats what im asking
Robert Shepherd Play the game and find out for yourself.
Hm...
Tales of Destiny has Leon vs Garr (Woodrow in japanese version)
Tales of Symphonia has Kratos vs Zelos
Tales of Zestiria has Dezel vs Zaveid.
I see.
tales of the abyss luke vs asch
Imbecile, i mean one character that replaces other. Garr replaces Leon, Zelos replaces Kratos, Zaveid replaces Dezel.
wow you calling me an imbecile for no reason when your the real stupid one for putting vs instead of saying what u mean. think before u write this is why internet fights start for stupid reasons
I'm sorry...
I just were mad that you didn't get the obvious...
how is it obvious u labeled each tales game with each rival going against each other when u said vs, there is no indication u left here stating that one character that replaces other :/
Looks to me like they were experimenting with things to keep the series fresh, in this case the concept of temporary characters to be replaced by another. This game has two!
I commend them for wanting to try some new things but now they've given that a go I hope they never do it again, not quite like this anyway. It appears Dezel is more popular than Zaveid so the great tragedy is who replaces him.
Then again this is the sort of thing that encourages more emotional involvement in the game and it is more memorable for it. Dezel at least still has the odd interaction as a gust of wind.
+King X I suspect it's because you actually catch onto a lot of Dezel's tragic backstory and you see him struggling with it, trying to keep his distance while at the same time developing a tough-love affection for the others. Then they replace him with a "mysterious" womanizer and you see nothing really that makes Zaveid the way he is. If they'd gone through the trouble of building on Zaveid's past to give the players a legitimate reason why he /wanted/ to replace Dezel, then the affection for him might have grown. They don't even really go into how Dezel and Zaveid knew each other previously, which might have helped.
But, since they didn't, you essentially have the asshole everyone knows and loves being replaced by an unknown who seems to think he's more important than he really is. All Zaveid gets is the distinction of being the 'hottie wind guy.' They don't give him any substance.
+Mama B yes exactly my point
I actually thought of how they could have allowed zaveid to join
what if he were either a light or dark seraph?
Well I like Zaveid a bit more than Dezel personally. But maybe that's because I first saw him in tales of Berseria.
@@Speeddemon105 I really like zavied,I liked him before berseria
As much as people rag on the Alisha deal they actually build up the whole arc around both Alisha and Rose quite well. Alisha is your typical princess who wants to help others. And the game always made a point that she barely had enough resonance to feel the seraph's presence and needed Sorey's help to hear them and later see them. It was obvious she lacked the qualification to be a Squire from the get go and Lailah even hints as such beforehand.
And thematically Alisha is just Sorey without shepard powers. She wants to help others, she doesn't like killing and sees the world in black and white. Rose is the other perspective the game wanted to bring to the table. The idea that some people are irredeemable begins when you are joined by an assassin who then takes on the job of killing the Hellions that Sorey can't purify. While Sorey struggles with the idea of killing hellions, Rose has to swallow her pity and take on the role of putting them to rest. And the game eventually leads down the role that not everyone can be saved, not everyone is "pure", so the introduction of Rose and the Assassins was the start of the thematic.
God I want to grab dem hips
He would get along well with Zelos and Moses lol
who?
@@trainhartnett709 I'm gonna assume you've only played Zestiria.
Zelos Wilder and Moses Sandor from Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Legendia.
Eizen would kick is butt
so that's what the english dubbing sounds like -_-... havent gone with it cause I figured that original is always the best and seems like I was right.
btw Zaveid is like the best character in the game imo haha-- dude is funny
him and dezel, dezel can be funny too when it comes to animals
My favorite was "Shae Monyuroze" skit xD
Originals are not always the best, it's a matter of preference plain and simple.
LOL! He's crazy yet, hot!:)
He's not a bad character. . .
BUT I MISS DEZEL!!!ToT
I know that but I wish he was just a human so they didn't have to kill dezel off for him to join
Zaveid > Dezel :)
Dan Scott and alisha > rose
zavied=dazel
alisha=rose
I'm sorry but the game made me only see Zaveid as a worse copy of Zelos...