You guys didn't see the other black person in TMZ who dragged him almost immediately, because he called him out on the fact that his influence and his misunderstanding of history and sociology
Well either way it's not easy to start a slave revolution when you've been oppressed, kept uneducated, been hurt so much that fear id one of their biggest challenges to overcome. I do get what Kanye's saying, but he makes it seem like it's that simple to do.
No, you don't get what he's saying... Not at all. Kanye isn't saying *slaves chose to be slaves* he's saying people are choosing to be mental slaves. To what? To bitterness towards white people, to victim mentality, to political beliefs. Slavery didn't last 400 years, it lasted about 250 years and it ended about 150 years ago... 250 + 150 = 400. He is clearly referring to the years AFTER slavery was abolished.
True and also slave revolts rarely succeeded, with nearly all revolts being crushed violently. In Haiti, a slave revolt succeeded because slaves outnumbered the slavers by 10 to 1. The odds were stacked against slaves in the US as they were a minority.
pls tell me who is oppressing you? The reason you didn't study at school is because someone kept oppressing you? Take your own responsibility. You can still be rich and successful even you don't finish high school. That's the problem with a lot of black folks thinking all their problems is someone else's faults. Kayne gets it. He is conveying this logic to blacks.
Sum_nigga BOOLIN' that was his exact point though, there was tons of slaves the numbers were in their favor but slavery was the trend, they were scared for their lives essentially mental ‘imprisoned’ from refining their truth which is why they were enslaved for so long.
I felt like David and Geo were the only ones looking at this situation from more than one side. People being mad at the things Kanye is saying goes deeper than just "the media is making him out to be crazy" And they avoid the part of the interview where Van Lathan explains to Kanye why his words are irresponsible. I mean if we are going to congratulate Kanye on the things he say about free thought we should try to understand where each side is coming from.
R2 agreed! jk being the bosses, often put down other differing opinions. it takes someone who is confident, smart and articulate to say a rebuttal against what they say...usually only geo amd david can do that..tiff just agrees with everything and julia didnt necessarily agree but was always afraid to express it bc she wasnt good at communicating her thoughts so they always found a way to kill it. it takes a strong articulate person to stand up to what these guys have to say bc they arent gonna listen otherwise
We can’t forget how much of a lyrical genius he is *Lift Yourself* *By Kanye* Poopy-di scoop Scoop-diddy-whoop Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop Poop-di-scoopty Scoopty-whoop Whoopity-scoop, whoop-poop Poop-diddy, whoop-scoop Poop, poop Scoop-diddy-whoop Whoop-diddy-scoop Whoop-diddy-scoop, poop
God Bear like when he talked about the pills, over prescription is a huge problem at least in the US right now, people are being overprescribed these opioids then getting addicted and once the prescriptions stop coming they have to turn to the cheaper alternatives
Exactly dude.. like jesus christ man, you've got white guys and asian guys talking out their ass spitting with stupid shit. Asians are the fastest growing demographic in the U.S , so give it a decade and see how easy it is for them to say that politics doesn't matter and etc.
facts that right wing guy who thinks he not right wing guy but uses all of the same talking points as a right wing guy doesn't have a full perspective on what he is talking about.
lol you sound triggered AJ. first of all no one shutting up because you cant wrap your mind around how oppoins work. along with points of views and paradigm shift. secondly nitwits? are you serious? you have the whole power of the internet at you hands and that's the best insult you came up with? what are you like 80? If your going to try to shut down and argument with name calling you gotta do yourself a favor and come with some better stuff or something funny. i believe in you AJ lol
I don’t think they understand.. I believe they agree with Kanye’s overall comment about people today being mentally imprisoned by the media which to some extent I would agree with as well, but he had the audacity to compare that to the enslavement of Black people and that’s why people were upset. And Harvey gave him a chance after that comment to clarify his statement about slavery. He asked “Did you just say that the 400 years of slavery was a choice?” and Kayne said yes. At this point I think JK is trying way too hard not to be associated with social justice warriors or liberal media in any way that they will make excuses for anyone who is a “free thinker”. There’s nothing wrong with thinking like the majority SOMETIMES, because SOMETIMES the majority is right.
Stephanie Rangel people are upset because either they don’t know the full context and think kanye thinks slavery is a choice or they don’t think he shouldn’t have even said that regardless if it was part of a bigger picture that with context actually makes sense, which is what you’re talking about. Though no one is arguing that he didn’t fuck up in fact in this video alone they referenced the fact that he messed up and should not have said that numerous times but they all know the full context, yes you can be aware of his mistake but that doesn’t mean they have to be blind or ignore the rest of his message or pretend to not understand what he was actually trying to say. That’s free thinking and general awareness.
The thing is he didn't mess up, he meant exactly what he said. And like I said, if you watch the video, he was given an opportunity to retract his statement and didn't. And like I said, to an extent I agree with his overall message as well but to compare mental imprisonment in modern day society to the 400 years of enslavement of black people is wrong. Mental imprisonment or slavery or whatever he wants to call it is a choice, black people being enslaved for 400 years is not.
lol you do that why your so angry at what Maurice side and just because you do like someone speaking their opinion and asking for a wider perspective, means that have to go somewhere.
I don't think people were latching onto the 400 years of slavery was a choice cause he misspoke. If he misspoke he would've said I didn't mean that slaves had a choice I mean that people now choose to keep slavery as part of their identity which keeps them mentally imprisoned. Because that sounds like a completely different state of mind. From most people even after he tried to detract would say that he's kinda messed up mentally cause he's trying to be a "free thinker" without actually fully thinking through about what his message is. Like be a free thinker all you want but don't try to prove people wrong when you yourself don't know what direction your thoughts are going towards. Even if he said everyone today is a slave towards money and power then it would make sense. But trying to tie in slavery within the United States and saying that black people are partially to blame for "not doing anything" brings the idea that Ye has no idea what tf he's talking about and is just spewing nonsense. The biggest thing that they missed out on is what Van was saying towards the end of the tmz stuff. It's the fact that the idea that people in Chicago don't care about black on black crime is a skewed perspective thing. People don't know about programs and the progress that people have made in Chicago because media and politicians want to maintain the facade that Chicago is messed up and nobody is doing anything about it. When I'm reality there are programs and people trying to work every single day to try to lower violence that don't get any recognition for their actions. Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it's nonexistent. And just because people do march for being angry about cops being scared and fearful of African Americans to where they perceive normal actions as threats doesn't mean that they're just fine with violence that plagues their city. The same could be said for people in la just being fine with gang crime because nobody there marches for change in that sector; even though everyone would agree that they don't condone that violence in or near their neighborhoods. C'mon guys, I get you're tired of "liberals being hurt by everything" but if you're perceiving things like they are but from a different perspective it doesn't help the end game of helping people learn to make decisions for themselves by looking at all the facts not just the ones fed to them.
Exactly, and every time the trite phrase "b-but, they don't care about Chicago!!" gets used, it irks me to no end. There's a protest every other week about the violence that's localized to specific areas of Chicago, but people don't care to recognize that. In part that's the media's fault, but it's also on the people who keep pushing the narrative that nobody actual cares, present company included.
Aia Niagra if you keep reciting it as fact, yes, I expect you to actually know what you're talking about. Especially if you're using it to wag your finger at people. And slave ships first started transporting slaves 400 years before the civil war. They just didn't end up in America until the 1600s.
I just wanted to respond to what Joe said. POCs don't have to be liberal. Trump is not just about conservative politics. He has literally been attacking multiple minority groups with his words/policies and creating unnecessary division in this country. That is not conservative politics.
All I'll say is immigrants are some of the hardest working people in this country. They do pay their taxes. No they are not all on welfare and I think it's wrong that Trump is being represented as a bastion of conservative politics. I also think it's wrong that we had to choose between Trump and Clinton, two terrible options. Things would be better if we didn't have to rely on a two party system.
Because it would go against their narrative, conservatives only bring up Chicago when something bad happens in another place.. even though by all accounts things are changing, hell Chance the rapper opened up a center last week... I'd put money on it that they have never spent a nanosecond researching Chicago.
I kinda don't agree with something tiff said at the end, and I'm sure she didn't mean it in this way, but it should still be addressed. Something like police brutality, isn't the "tiniest little thing" even when compared to whats happening in south side Chicago. I'd like you to go up to the family members of someone who died from police brutality and tell them "Hey sorry, but this isn't really that important, theres more people dying in Chicago."
People who say that kind of crap don't know the complexity of the problems in Chicago, and they probably have zero association with Chicago. Kanye's recent following of Candace Owens doesn't count. He's not all there.
Plus, why are we holding police to the same standards as criminals. Cops are supposed to serve and protect but people wanna say “What about the criminal that killed a guy “
Vaedalus doesn’t matter. Police shouldn’t kill people, they should protect people. Not all black people are criminals. Majority of black people are not criminals. People who just say shit like this are just deflecting and further pushing racism, prejudice, and excusing the actions of a corrupt justice system
Not really a big part.. just half ass man who no one gave a fuck about till now that kanye made him in the spotlight.. you think he be at were he is now giving abc7 and cnn and this and that channel interviews if it wasn't for kanye.
Selena Lee not to belittle him I personally was aware who he was before and what he said actually made me respect him a lot more but he had a job for TMZ as a journalist, if you’re outside of that world you wouldn’t have had any clue who he was.
I wanted to see Ricky’s view on this, like Joe and David said, Asians and Black people don’t have the same history in the US so i would assume Ricky would have a different opinion on what Kanye said. I also feel like they’re being biased since they’re huge Kanye fans, i dunno. + what Tiff and Steve said about police brutality being a small problem and nobody caring about Chicago .... Again probably just gonna go with what Joe said about how sometimes they don’t word things correctly.
They said that the media is picking and choosing what you want to see and hear yet Just Kidding is DOING THE SAME THING!! They didn't talk when Van challenged Kanye West word. You can't say this side is this or that and don't talk about both side. Just Kidding: watch Van's part of the video 🙄🙄🙄
Joe - most of the time you guys are good. Bart is the one who definitely suffers from the "Ye-type of word vomit." The more he explains one of those "topics" that he likes to play devil's advocate, the more wrong it starts sounding. I think many ppl got what Kanye was getting at BUT he needs to articulate himself if he wants to make America great too. It was just such a jumbled flow of thoughts that whatever he wanted to say got lost. REAL LOST. You can't even blame the people who didn't get why he said it either. Let's just....move on from Kanye. Not worth it. Good musician? Sure. (shrugs) Good in public speaking? No.
Here’s an idea: say what you meant in the first place. It doesn’t matter what you meant to say when your words don’t match up. Kanye has a lot of influence so he should be careful how he says things. His first tweets in response to the backlash made him sound more ignorant. Saying shit like the slaves had the numbers on their side. Well the other side had weapons like guns so even if the slaves revolted they would have been massacred. And If he really meant mental slavery, he should have said that in the first place. People who don’t realize, Kanye’s words can have a negative effect since he is such a huge influencer with millions of followers.
Garhon Wong the point is, people fk up. We have to stop putting people on pedestals and putting our expectations on them. That's why people get mad when someone doesn't meet their expectations.
In situations and conversations like this I really wish there was a black representative on jk news to explain how they feel about this topic. (Edit: I would like to clear some things. 1. I’m Not angry I’m just speaking my mind! 2. I don’t think JK news is racist lol and 3.They can talk about whatever they want to! ) Thanks for the likes 💕
Tina T And how does that matter? Why does a skin colour determine and shape how one’s opinion and thoughts may be? The topic wasn’t on the African-American culture anyway, there’s no need for a “black representative” to be present. Let me count the diversity for you. One from Japanese descent, one from a traditional conservative Korean family, one from Taiwanese (Chinese descent, lets not forget the diversity of the Chinese people which includes thousands of different dialects/provinces/culture differences), two with Mexican ancestry, one from a god knows which part of European descent. There is more than enough diversity to discuss a non-racial topic.
Ky Ky that’s great that there is a huge range of Asian diversity JK NEWS but if I’m not mistaken there is no one on there that is of black/African descent so no it’s not as diverse but it’s not terrible. It matter because these are “black issues” but they are no black people to express their opinion about it.. not saying that Joe,Steve, or Tiff and etc don’t have a right to speak their minds about this topic because they are more than 10000% allowed to but I personally would appreciate it seeing a black person talk about this subject along with jk news. And for you to say this has nothing to do with African American culture is completely wrong because it has everything to do with it.
1) The term "Asian" is derived from the fact that Asia is a continent with regions and dozens of countries. Despite the fact that there are literally thousands of races and ethnicity that lies in each and every country of Asia, you are wrong to say that the group is not diverse. Each filled with different languages, dialects, culture and food. 2) You are ignorant and blinded by the mainstream media. Just because Kanye is a "black" / African-American and he's expressing his opinions, it does not mean it's all about "blacks", this topic has nothing to do with the African American community, unless you're talking about slavery alone which he merely brought it up to support his agenda (Note: There were many more minorities that were victims of slavery). His side agenda besides the fact this was clearly a publicity stunt and he clearly wasn't standing up for issues of the "black" community but promoting for his new album, was that anyone and everyone should be allowed to voice and stand for their opinions regardless of their identity. 3) Your race, religion, ethnicity, skin colour, sexuality alone *SHOULD NOT* and *CANNOT* determine the value and proposition of your opinions and thoughts. In any case, you don't need to have a person of that specific race to talk about a news article. Other than the fact that the specific person had personal first-hand experiences with the issues, there is nothing wrong with talking about a news article without a specific race present.
Ky Ky you're right. The real problem is that the jknews cast who were vocal on this topic are too uneducated and uninformed to discuss this topic. Too much stupid news and not enough real news, I guess. I think they only just barely learned what the U.K. is and still don't have it quite right, so what can we expect.
A few things here. 1. Black people aren't just drawn to the left out of obligation of being minorities. Most times they are voting their best interests as they see it. If you see right wingers wanting to suppress minority votes in election years or show enthusiastic support for a tax plan that will hurt minorities most I will have a rough time explaining the positive aspects of conservatism. That's why when you see black conservatives speaking out on anything black they lose credit instantly. Before they even speak, blacks Centrists and non partisans will shut them out saying"if they are ok with me losing representation, why should we support them?". It's not even just tribalism now, it's " you are supporting ideas that will hurt me, go away". diversity of thought can be a nice concept in theory, but there will always be ideas that will be harmful to the community and letting those ideas become policy only serves to hurt them. 2. David looks great, keep up the good work.
I 100% disagree with JK on this one. Y'all were just making excuses for Kanye instead of realizing what he said we dumb and he needs to be more accountable of what he says and does b/c he has a major voice in the black community
Justin Bruce Thank you! Kanye fucked up. Period. The dude spoke from a place of ignorance and came across as stupid and unstable. He needs to get off his high horse, stop being cocky, and get help because something is clearly wrong with him.
Jk news needs a black persons on when they talk about stuff like this because honestly I watch you guys so I’m not some super liberal lefty but I do feel underrepresented because no one on here really gets the underlying causes
chardanay white it honestly made me agitated I had to turn it off in the first couple of minutes. Also they didn’t even go into full detail. The only person who kind of made sense was David
Yeah I feel the same way. I feel like JK is kind of a like an echo chamber they all feel pretty much the same way about things so they don't really represent different opinions often. Sometimes I wish they had a person with different opinions than them that's also well versed in political science so there could be a productive discussion with both sides.
Nobi 😳 I cant stand everyone trying to interpret what he said. He tweeted again to “corrected” himself. No slavery was not a choice. He said black people had numbers but choose to stay slaves... It’s wrong! He fails to understand that there weren’t numbers! Slaves were a minority. They were unarmed. You are taking ur twist and trying to interpret what he said... HE CLARIFIED IT on twitter. And his clarification he said it again... Nothing about a mental prison. Stop trying to interpret what people are saying when they have stated and “clarified” it.
The problem i have with Kanye is that he is being controversial only for the sake of being controversial, He keeps saying that he wants to do things that people have told him not to do. So he doesn't even believe half the shit he says, he is only doing it to go against the grain. Kanye admits he is uninformed, he is willfully ignorant.
BIG MAHC Everyone is ignorant at something there’s no such thing as “willingly ignorant” and Kanye doesn’t know policy and he’s making that clear as he or anyone should should they be in his situation.
I think JK is just such a huge fan of Kanye's music that they are biased to hear what they want to hear from him. If it was a different artist, this discussion might be a little different.
I feel like maybe they should have had a black person in the room for this type of topic. Also when he said slavery was a choice he referred to it as a mental prison. How was slavery a mental prison??
That's exactly what he meant. You left a lot of things out of this video. The host asked him to clarify his thoughts right after and he said 'yeah'. He apologized to Van Lathan when he told him how hurtful his comments were. He then went on twitter and quoted Hariet Tubman and said he would have been like her or Nat Turner back in those times. His goal was to say that we are choosing to be 'slaves' to the media just like slaves did 400 years ago which is absolutely ignorant.
the only thing i can agree on in this episode is when david said that as an influencer, kanye should be more responsible about the things that he's saying. because you can't expect everyone to have the time to decode or sort out what he's saying for him. and yea, that's exactly what the media is doing, but he should also take it upon himself to clarify what he said. he keeps on blaming the media that keep on twisting words ans shit like that, but he can also use the media to get his point across and put context in the words that he's saying. but nah, he's only using the media for publicity stunts like this and I guess it's working cause all of us are talking about him now.
Hand Stand Are you trying to say if they had a Black person on this episode then that person would speak for all black people? That's kind of a ridiculous statement in itself! I know many Republican brother and sisters that somewhat agree with what Kanye said! So what would you say if they had a Black person on and they were Republican and defending Kanye? You would immediately bash them I'm sure. It's the mental slavery he's talking about and always playing the victim when not 1 person has lived through it in 200 years. It's the ones constantly yelling"but what about slavery?" that's holding their own selves back because the liberal media saying you can't do this or that because of your color! Well tell that to every successful black person out there living the high life and ask them if they were held back or if they just worked hard to get what they got, kinda like Kanye. Yeah he's definitely a little wak in the head but he has some truth to his words! It's a mentality that many take on that holds them down.
I don't think you get the seriousness of what kanye said. I understand his idea of free thought and whatever but he compared society being manipulated by media etc with slavery. He said the numbers were on our side and we basically choose to stay. That's fully fucked up.
This is One of the best conversations you ever had on JK NEWs. You all had amazing points and have really grown as people please continue on this path... I'm so happy for your growth and well thought out dialogue, Great show everyone!
What the hell is wrong with this country. You get crazies like Trump and Kanye and you have people instead thinking they're some type of genius -_- smh I need to move
tyrone loki tyrone loki I say non blacks because even other poc experience different things. Chicago is an issue within the black community. Jesus you guys want to nitpick everything I say but lucky for you I have patience to respond and give a view point you don’t seem to want to hear.
Stephany Banda poc= people of color. An I mean Chicago is an issue within the lack Community because most of it is gang or black on black crime. This we know, but I’m not saying only blacks should care about Chicago, but we know it’s an issue and people have been trying to make change for decades. But Chicago is constantly thrown up when debates about gun come up and it’s honestly disheartening.
The TMZ interview with Kanye West definitely had me pondering in some thoughts for a couple days. My conclusion comes to this : Who cares what a celebrity says about politics; how are they adding any value to the conversation without regurgitating the same talking points from either the left or right. Why do we add any sort of substance to a celebrity that hasn’t pursued any academic education that allows them to hold any merit or credibility. We are idealizing false idols. Also One thing I would disagree with JK is in the Candace Owens topic, her politics do lean towards the right in today’s political climate.
This is a panel that needs a black persons perspective. No offense, I love y’all, but this is a completely different struggle that you couldn’t possibly understand.
Fann Culo Do some research before you speak you idiot. A panel is defined as “a small group of people brought together to discuss, investigate, or decide on a particular matter” Yes, this is a show, but the people on the show are a panel. Stfu
AJ No but I’d rather hear the opinion of those who’ve experienced coming from certain backgrounds and why they came to that decision rather than people who haven’t had that
BIG MAHC No, but Kanye doesn’t speak for all black people. He’s changed since he’s gotten rich and not saying he’s crazy because of this specific instance (but I do think this instance is kinda dumb tbh) but it’s because the last few years he’s been sporadic and random, so I question his stability.
But also I'd love to point out that most sitting republican reps DO NOT support the lgbtq community so it IS counterproductive and damaging when you have lgbtq people showing support for these people and all of their policies. I am not FARRR LEFT in the slightest but that shit rubs me the wrong way for sure. In general I would never support those who make policies that directly negatively target me/people like me/people in my situation. That just makes no sense AND I'd be screwing a lot of people over. There is also a BIG difference in agreeing with some Republican policies and being an active full on supporter which means you fully back them. It's all about the policies. This goes for both major parties. BOTH sides do shady shit that benefits themselves instead of the people who they serve. I don't fully back either side. I think our party system is clearly flawed. There should be wayyy more major parties. Not 2 big ones, a small one, and a few unknown ones. For this video, and like they mentioned, the JK Crew didn't articulate some points well. Like I get what they were going for, but some nuances go wayy deeper and there is wayyy more to it. For example, women who are against abortion who actively vote for policies against it. I won't call these women self-haters or anything like that. Everyone has a right to have their own opinion. However, you actively working to take away a choice, that is not yours to make, from someone else....is pretty fucking shitty. If you don't agree with it then don't have an abortion. Let others make their own choice.
I'm just glad that TMZ journalist put him in his place. Sucker needs to go away now. Get his head checked I don't care, just go away, attention seeking behavior is nauseating. If he's having mental health issues that's one thing, but just go away.
Candace Owens is definitely not a moderate. A moderate wouldn't call Trump or any politician a savior and wouldn't express as much partisan support as Owens does.
She even said in this interview on TMZ that she wants to go back to when Blacks were share croppers in the segregated south. ... shows how far to the right they are.
My problem with Kanye (and JK to be quite honest) is that he (they) don't think people are capable of thinking for themselves. Their brains function just like everybody else. I'm aware of what Kanye said, and what everybody else they covered said, and I'm able to come to the conclusion that Kanye is an ignorant fool who thinks too highly of himself. Whether he took it back or not, he suggested black people just accepted slavery. Anyone who is a self-proclaimed genius, chances are that they're not a genius. And the JK crew really should've included John Legend's tweets.
kanye also does not identify as black. if you look at the actual interview he talks about a teacher telling his daughter gleefully that she is black. he said the teacher did not see her as Kanye's daughter. kanye thinks he transcends race. remember his first cloth line featured the Confederate flag. kanye want to be white.
“I’m human above being Asian” that is a very true statement and I’m so glad Bart said it. People make everything about race nowadays even when it’s not
Honestly this is probably one of the best jk news videos made so far. I'll be honest some things said in this video I probably do not agree with. Other ideas I support. But at least multiple perspectives are touched upon. Maybe it went too much toward one side. But it's a damn good video. I like jk news for how raw it is and the comic aspect as well as being able to see natural reactions. Normal funny stuff is great. But this type is great too. Really another part of what jk news stands for, having discussions like a news channel with real people and real opinions. Man that's amazing.
Lmao. Hell no. They're spewing the same tired political jargan as anyone on the right or left. Just because you don't give a fuck about what's happening around you, doesn't make you woke.
For some contexr, Kanye wasn't being literal, he was using a mental prison as when he liked Candice Owens over the fact that Black people do not owe the democratic party their vote
I mean as black guy , I think Kanye is so right. We got learn with the asians man, whats in the past is in the past we should move on and build a new future and take care of our families .
*Kanye isn't going "crazy" people seem to forget this is just how he is and how he always has been just to a more extreme level right now and people are making it a big deal cause of his return*
He is a genius in some ways I mean the man's music speaks a lot maybe not his recent stuff but in ways, he is a genius everyone is. Plus you cant say just an artist you trivialize something that really should be respected not everyone can be an artist.
plus kanye has always been confident with or without acceptance even now people arent accepting him yet he doesnt care thats the way he is he paves his own path and I can respect that although i dont agree with everything he does I do respect what it takes to get their and it isnt easy.
If you wanna look at it like that its really making it way to simple he's an artist, an inspiration, a motivator, a husband, a father, a millionaire, a successful person who played their cards right and is on top he's a person who stands out people wish to be recognized as much as him. He really doesn't care much about what people say about him because while people are calling him crazy and dumb what does that make them ?? this "crazy idiot" is more rich and successful than you what does that say about you?? People need to reflect on themselves before they talk on others.
Amare Ree5v BS. Who the hell wants to be Kanye west? No one. I certainly dont want to be as recognized, much less someone as stupid as him. He is no genius. You people just keep feeding into his inflated ego, and extreme narcacissm. Also just because he 'works hard' doesn't mean he gets a pass on all the dumb crap he says and does. Oh and to answer your last question, it makes me pretty concerned. Concerned that such a person is blindly defended and supported.
When someone says JUST an artist it implies that you are trying to belittle it you should word your stuff better and plus you saying just an artist is belittling his accomplishments because you aren't recognizing his other accomplishments. here's an extreme example If I saved the world but dropped one mixtape and you said oh he's just a musician that would be belittling my accomplishments
in my humble opinion the reason certain groups tend to vote a certain way is because certain political parties tend to favor those groups in their policy making. it's not rocket science. these guys didn't touch on it at all but if Republicans were more inclusive they would be crushing elections all the time. so when somebody supports a party that is a detriment to their group it does come off as wtf where you thinking. why even go on TMZ if you don't know how to speak. kanye was reckless. this panel jumped to their own conclusions as well. I don't care what kanye said but their are people that do which is what makes it so reckless. he needs to be more responsible
I completely disagree with Steve's statement on how 'anti-abortion' means you are not for women and that's tribalism. To put t simply, if you think you are 'for women' or 'feminist' (unless the words are not intended to be interchangeable) you have to adhere to certain core sentiments of what 'for women' essentially entails. And a women's right to chose what she does with her body happens to be one of those core tenants. In other words identifying with certain groups necessarily means you identify with the purpose of the movement as well, if you don't, you are not for the movement.
Rah you lot needed a black person for this one. One that could explain this stuff to you. You all led with your emotions imo and werent being objective. (Nobody come at me with the " wHy dO yOu nEeD bLaCk pEoPlE To...."
David looks like he lost weight and that denim make him look dope af !
Prapy
He got lipo
Prapy naw he still fat as fuck
He has been working out. Check out his IG
He really looks like he lost some weight.
You look so good David!
David is looking so fine in that denim jacket.
Not a Bizarre JoJo yum
Looking like a 2012 Justin Bieber
No
yes he didd
Not a Bizarre JoJo look like a snack
You guys didn't see the other black person in TMZ who dragged him almost immediately, because he called him out on the fact that his influence and his misunderstanding of history and sociology
That would ruin their narrative,
Van Lathan? Yeah he destroyed Kanye regarding his irresponsible choice of words.
aznfangrl612 because the guy obviously had no idea what he was talking about and missed kanyes point entirely
Well either way it's not easy to start a slave revolution when you've been oppressed, kept uneducated, been hurt so much that fear id one of their biggest challenges to overcome. I do get what Kanye's saying, but he makes it seem like it's that simple to do.
Your comment actually helped me understand what he was saying at the start. I still don't quite know what was going on with the pill thing though
No, you don't get what he's saying... Not at all. Kanye isn't saying *slaves chose to be slaves* he's saying people are choosing to be mental slaves. To what? To bitterness towards white people, to victim mentality, to political beliefs. Slavery didn't last 400 years, it lasted about 250 years and it ended about 150 years ago... 250 + 150 = 400. He is clearly referring to the years AFTER slavery was abolished.
True and also slave revolts rarely succeeded, with nearly all revolts being crushed violently. In Haiti, a slave revolt succeeded because slaves outnumbered the slavers by 10 to 1. The odds were stacked against slaves in the US as they were a minority.
pls tell me who is oppressing you? The reason you didn't study at school is because someone kept oppressing you? Take your own responsibility. You can still be rich and successful even you don't finish high school. That's the problem with a lot of black folks thinking all their problems is someone else's faults. Kayne gets it. He is conveying this logic to blacks.
Sum_nigga BOOLIN' that was his exact point though, there was tons of slaves the numbers were in their favor but slavery was the trend, they were scared for their lives essentially mental ‘imprisoned’ from refining their truth which is why they were enslaved for so long.
David looking nice and healthy !!!
Hey for your information David lately has been trying to get healthier and he asking lost some weight so that's why I said it so hop off your horse
now that you mention it his face seems more slim
david is lookin hella good!!
caitlin - so glad other ARMY's think like me
Another Army here that 1000% agrees
ikr omg
Brianna Lloyd we are literally everywhere bahaha:)xx
That's what I was thinking!
I felt like David and Geo were the only ones looking at this situation from more than one side. People being mad at the things Kanye is saying goes deeper than just "the media is making him out to be crazy" And they avoid the part of the interview where Van Lathan explains to Kanye why his words are irresponsible. I mean if we are going to congratulate Kanye on the things he say about free thought we should try to understand where each side is coming from.
R2 agreed! jk being the bosses, often put down other differing opinions. it takes someone who is confident, smart and articulate to say a rebuttal against what they say...usually only geo amd david can do that..tiff just agrees with everything and julia didnt necessarily agree but was always afraid to express it bc she wasnt good at communicating her thoughts so they always found a way to kill it. it takes a strong articulate person to stand up to what these guys have to say bc they arent gonna listen otherwise
We can’t forget how much of a lyrical genius he is
*Lift Yourself*
*By Kanye*
Poopy-di scoop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop
Poop-di-scoopty
Scoopty-whoop
Whoopity-scoop, whoop-poop
Poop-diddy, whoop-scoop
Poop, poop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop, poop
It really hit me hard af when he said "Poopy-di-scoop"
Juan Does Stuff He has become more Kanye Pest than Kanye West lately though 😂😂
Booligan
Almost had me rethink my life for a sec I swear
Dude LOL
3 million views in 5 days ... truly a masterpiece
Kanye had Some valid point mixed in with madness
Wodchly
Like what?
God Bear like when he talked about the pills, over prescription is a huge problem at least in the US right now, people are being overprescribed these opioids then getting addicted and once the prescriptions stop coming they have to turn to the cheaper alternatives
God Bear and about media trying to expose lives of celebs in having to keep look
So did all the speeches in Far Cry 5. If you ever see that.
valid like what?
Man I wish Ricky Schucks was here to give the black opinion on this one
Exactly dude.. like jesus christ man, you've got white guys and asian guys talking out their ass spitting with stupid shit. Asians are the fastest growing demographic in the U.S , so give it a decade and see how easy it is for them to say that politics doesn't matter and etc.
Where were u guys the comment are crazy
facts that right wing guy who thinks he not right wing guy but uses all of the same talking points as a right wing guy doesn't have a full perspective on what he is talking about.
AJ he didn’t say “a black guy” he specifically said Ricky Shucks because he knows how Ricky feels about things like this, boy you is about stupid asf
lol you sound triggered AJ. first of all no one shutting up because you cant wrap your mind around how oppoins work. along with points of views and paradigm shift.
secondly nitwits? are you serious? you have the whole power of the internet at you hands and that's the best insult you came up with? what are you like 80? If your going to try to shut down and argument with name calling you gotta do yourself a favor and come with some better stuff or something funny. i believe in you AJ lol
I don’t think they understand.. I believe they agree with Kanye’s overall comment about people today being mentally imprisoned by the media which to some extent I would agree with as well, but he had the audacity to compare that to the enslavement of Black people and that’s why people were upset. And Harvey gave him a chance after that comment to clarify his statement about slavery. He asked “Did you just say that the 400 years of slavery was a choice?” and Kayne said yes. At this point I think JK is trying way too hard not to be associated with social justice warriors or liberal media in any way that they will make excuses for anyone who is a “free thinker”. There’s nothing wrong with thinking like the majority SOMETIMES, because SOMETIMES the majority is right.
exactly.
But he immediately rephrased himself though...
Stephanie Rangel people are upset because either they don’t know the full context and think kanye thinks slavery is a choice or they don’t think he shouldn’t have even said that regardless if it was part of a bigger picture that with context actually makes sense, which is what you’re talking about. Though no one is arguing that he didn’t fuck up in fact in this video alone they referenced the fact that he messed up and should not have said that numerous times but they all know the full context, yes you can be aware of his mistake but that doesn’t mean they have to be blind or ignore the rest of his message or pretend to not understand what he was actually trying to say. That’s free thinking and general awareness.
The thing is he didn't mess up, he meant exactly what he said. And like I said, if you watch the video, he was given an opportunity to retract his statement and didn't. And like I said, to an extent I agree with his overall message as well but to compare mental imprisonment in modern day society to the 400 years of enslavement of black people is wrong. Mental imprisonment or slavery or whatever he wants to call it is a choice, black people being enslaved for 400 years is not.
He didn't rephrase himself he just made a comparison of two different things.
Y'all should have had Ricky on to give a black man's perspective on this
Maurice Rosser-Hendrix so Ricky speaks for all Black people?
Chidi Ogoms not at all, none of us do but as far as what i see of their circle his perspective would have appreciated
facts, this episode sound like a right wing bubble.
Maurice Rosser-Hendrix Who cares. This is their point. If you wanna see what Ricky thinks go to his channel.
lol you do that why your so angry at what Maurice side and just because you do like someone speaking their opinion and asking for a wider perspective, means that have to go somewhere.
I don't think people were latching onto the 400 years of slavery was a choice cause he misspoke. If he misspoke he would've said I didn't mean that slaves had a choice I mean that people now choose to keep slavery as part of their identity which keeps them mentally imprisoned. Because that sounds like a completely different state of mind. From most people even after he tried to detract would say that he's kinda messed up mentally cause he's trying to be a "free thinker" without actually fully thinking through about what his message is. Like be a free thinker all you want but don't try to prove people wrong when you yourself don't know what direction your thoughts are going towards. Even if he said everyone today is a slave towards money and power then it would make sense. But trying to tie in slavery within the United States and saying that black people are partially to blame for "not doing anything" brings the idea that Ye has no idea what tf he's talking about and is just spewing nonsense.
The biggest thing that they missed out on is what Van was saying towards the end of the tmz stuff. It's the fact that the idea that people in Chicago don't care about black on black crime is a skewed perspective thing. People don't know about programs and the progress that people have made in Chicago because media and politicians want to maintain the facade that Chicago is messed up and nobody is doing anything about it. When I'm reality there are programs and people trying to work every single day to try to lower violence that don't get any recognition for their actions. Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it's nonexistent. And just because people do march for being angry about cops being scared and fearful of African Americans to where they perceive normal actions as threats doesn't mean that they're just fine with violence that plagues their city. The same could be said for people in la just being fine with gang crime because nobody there marches for change in that sector; even though everyone would agree that they don't condone that violence in or near their neighborhoods. C'mon guys, I get you're tired of "liberals being hurt by everything" but if you're perceiving things like they are but from a different perspective it doesn't help the end game of helping people learn to make decisions for themselves by looking at all the facts not just the ones fed to them.
Exactly, and every time the trite phrase "b-but, they don't care about Chicago!!" gets used, it irks me to no end. There's a protest every other week about the violence that's localized to specific areas of Chicago, but people don't care to recognize that. In part that's the media's fault, but it's also on the people who keep pushing the narrative that nobody actual cares, present company included.
Koda It's not 400 years. It's 244 years and you are not part of that. Stop being a victim of the system. That's what he's saying
Don Quixote It's jknews. You expect them to know or reserch that? Really?
Aia Niagra if you keep reciting it as fact, yes, I expect you to actually know what you're talking about. Especially if you're using it to wag your finger at people. And slave ships first started transporting slaves 400 years before the civil war. They just didn't end up in America until the 1600s.
Don Quixote That's false. Stop spreading misinformation
I just wanted to respond to what Joe said. POCs don't have to be liberal. Trump is not just about conservative politics. He has literally been attacking multiple minority groups with his words/policies and creating unnecessary division in this country. That is not conservative politics.
Policies on illegal aliens?
All I'll say is immigrants are some of the hardest working people in this country. They do pay their taxes. No they are not all on welfare and I think it's wrong that Trump is being represented as a bastion of conservative politics. I also think it's wrong that we had to choose between Trump and Clinton, two terrible options. Things would be better if we didn't have to rely on a two party system.
Bright Trials coke or Pepsi = politics/government. choose one but not much difference. Democracy is beautiful lol.
whites are receiving the most welfare benefits in this country
lol it absolutely is
Why did they ignore Van's rebuttal? It basically refuted a lot of what Kanye said about Chicago and what they brought up at the end as well.
Because it would go against their narrative, conservatives only bring up Chicago when something bad happens in another place.. even though by all accounts things are changing, hell Chance the rapper opened up a center last week... I'd put money on it that they have never spent a nanosecond researching Chicago.
Kanye said that black people didn't care about black on black crime and he corrected him on that as well. I wish they would've played both responses.
I kinda don't agree with something tiff said at the end, and I'm sure she didn't mean it in this way, but it should still be addressed. Something like police brutality, isn't the "tiniest little thing" even when compared to whats happening in south side Chicago. I'd like you to go up to the family members of someone who died from police brutality and tell them "Hey sorry, but this isn't really that important, theres more people dying in Chicago."
She was quoting Candace Owens.
People who say that kind of crap don't know the complexity of the problems in Chicago, and they probably have zero association with Chicago. Kanye's recent following of Candace Owens doesn't count. He's not all there.
its like going to a cancer charity and yelling but what about aids .
Plus, why are we holding police to the same standards as criminals. Cops are supposed to serve and protect but people wanna say “What about the criminal that killed a guy “
Vaedalus doesn’t matter. Police shouldn’t kill people, they should protect people. Not all black people are criminals. Majority of black people are not criminals. People who just say shit like this are just deflecting and further pushing racism, prejudice, and excusing the actions of a corrupt justice system
Daaaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnn David. LOOK AT YOU😊. GETTING SLIM OVA THERE. I SEE YOU BOO!!!
You guys keep mentioning context but he literally meant that slavery was a choice. He deleted tweets he made after the interview.
so yall going to show the tmz interview without the guy checking kanye west uhhh that was the best part in the interview
Not really a big part.. just half ass man who no one gave a fuck about till now that kanye made him in the spotlight.. you think he be at were he is now giving abc7 and cnn and this and that channel interviews if it wasn't for kanye.
Miguel Are you talking about Van Lathan? What are you, some type of idiot? Van Lathan has been known since way before this whole thing with Kanye.
Don Quixote Exactly van had a whole fucking career before kanye wtf he is taking about
Selena Lee not to belittle him I personally was aware who he was before and what he said actually made me respect him a lot more but he had a job for TMZ as a journalist, if you’re outside of that world you wouldn’t have had any clue who he was.
Miguel Shut ur ass up! Van Lathan been around...
I wanted to see Ricky’s view on this, like Joe and David said, Asians and Black people don’t have the same history in the US so i would assume Ricky would have a different opinion on what Kanye said. I also feel like they’re being biased since they’re huge Kanye fans, i dunno. + what Tiff and Steve said about police brutality being a small problem and nobody caring about Chicago .... Again probably just gonna go with what Joe said about how sometimes they don’t word things correctly.
첼시 well said Ricky should be on this one
They said that the media is picking and choosing what you want to see and hear yet Just Kidding is DOING THE SAME THING!! They didn't talk when Van challenged Kanye West word. You can't say this side is this or that and don't talk about both side. Just Kidding: watch Van's part of the video 🙄🙄🙄
Joe - most of the time you guys are good. Bart is the one who definitely suffers from the "Ye-type of word vomit." The more he explains one of those "topics" that he likes to play devil's advocate, the more wrong it starts sounding. I think many ppl got what Kanye was getting at BUT he needs to articulate himself if he wants to make America great too. It was just such a jumbled flow of thoughts that whatever he wanted to say got lost. REAL LOST. You can't even blame the people who didn't get why he said it either. Let's just....move on from Kanye. Not worth it. Good musician? Sure. (shrugs) Good in public speaking? No.
Here’s an idea: say what you meant in the first place. It doesn’t matter what you meant to say when your words don’t match up. Kanye has a lot of influence so he should be careful how he says things. His first tweets in response to the backlash made him sound more ignorant. Saying shit like the slaves had the numbers on their side. Well the other side had weapons like guns so even if the slaves revolted they would have been massacred. And If he really meant mental slavery, he should have said that in the first place. People who don’t realize, Kanye’s words can have a negative effect since he is such a huge influencer with millions of followers.
Garhon Wong the point is, people fk up. We have to stop putting people on pedestals and putting our expectations on them. That's why people get mad when someone doesn't meet their expectations.
Garhon Wong jesus christ lol Kanye as a influencer hahaha
In situations and conversations like this I really wish there was a black representative on jk news to explain how they feel about this topic.
(Edit: I would like to clear some things. 1. I’m Not angry I’m just speaking my mind! 2. I don’t think JK news is racist lol and 3.They can talk about whatever they want to! )
Thanks for the likes 💕
Tina T And how does that matter? Why does a skin colour determine and shape how one’s opinion and thoughts may be? The topic wasn’t on the African-American culture anyway, there’s no need for a “black representative” to be present. Let me count the diversity for you. One from Japanese descent, one from a traditional conservative Korean family, one from Taiwanese (Chinese descent, lets not forget the diversity of the Chinese people which includes thousands of different dialects/provinces/culture differences), two with Mexican ancestry, one from a god knows which part of European descent. There is more than enough diversity to discuss a non-racial topic.
Ky Ky that’s great that there is a huge range of Asian diversity JK NEWS but if I’m not mistaken there is no one on there that is of black/African descent so no it’s not as diverse but it’s not terrible. It matter because these are “black issues” but they are no black people to express their opinion about it.. not saying that Joe,Steve, or Tiff and etc don’t have a right to speak their minds about this topic because they are more than 10000% allowed to but I personally would appreciate it seeing a black person talk about this subject along with jk news. And for you to say this has nothing to do with African American culture is completely wrong because it has everything to do with it.
(Btw not trying to come off rude lol it’s just something I would like to see ! I love JK News and just to make it clear I DONT THINK THEYRE RACIST)
1) The term "Asian" is derived from the fact that Asia is a continent with regions and dozens of countries. Despite the fact that there are literally thousands of races and ethnicity that lies in each and every country of Asia, you are wrong to say that the group is not diverse. Each filled with different languages, dialects, culture and food.
2) You are ignorant and blinded by the mainstream media. Just because Kanye is a "black" / African-American and he's expressing his opinions, it does not mean it's all about "blacks", this topic has nothing to do with the African American community, unless you're talking about slavery alone which he merely brought it up to support his agenda (Note: There were many more minorities that were victims of slavery). His side agenda besides the fact this was clearly a publicity stunt and he clearly wasn't standing up for issues of the "black" community but promoting for his new album, was that anyone and everyone should be allowed to voice and stand for their opinions regardless of their identity.
3) Your race, religion, ethnicity, skin colour, sexuality alone *SHOULD NOT* and *CANNOT* determine the value and proposition of your opinions and thoughts. In any case, you don't need to have a person of that specific race to talk about a news article. Other than the fact that the specific person had personal first-hand experiences with the issues, there is nothing wrong with talking about a news article without a specific race present.
Ky Ky you're right. The real problem is that the jknews cast who were vocal on this topic are too uneducated and uninformed to discuss this topic. Too much stupid news and not enough real news, I guess. I think they only just barely learned what the U.K. is and still don't have it quite right, so what can we expect.
A few things here.
1. Black people aren't just drawn to the left out of obligation of being minorities. Most times they are voting their best interests as they see it. If you see right wingers wanting to suppress minority votes in election years or show enthusiastic support for a tax plan that will hurt minorities most I will have a rough time explaining the positive aspects of conservatism. That's why when you see black conservatives speaking out on anything black they lose credit instantly. Before they even speak, blacks Centrists and non partisans will shut them out saying"if they are ok with me losing representation, why should we support them?". It's not even just tribalism now, it's " you are supporting ideas that will hurt me, go away". diversity of thought can be a nice concept in theory, but there will always be ideas that will be harmful to the community and letting those ideas become policy only serves to hurt them.
2. David looks great, keep up the good work.
stefan tassy I totally agree the right wing lowering taxes on the poor makes them have more of the money they need what racist cunts
Whoopity scoop whoop poo
I 100% disagree with JK on this one. Y'all were just making excuses for Kanye instead of realizing what he said we dumb and he needs to be more accountable of what he says and does b/c he has a major voice in the black community
Justin Bruce Thank you! Kanye fucked up. Period. The dude spoke from a place of ignorance and came across as stupid and unstable. He needs to get off his high horse, stop being cocky, and get help because something is clearly wrong with him.
agreed....to the point i might unsubscribe :(
Justin Bruce right they sound dumb lol even Kanye knows what he’s doing he’s doing it for publicity
They’re fans aren’t they 🤷🏼♀️ a lot of people will defend their fave no matter what lol
BL1S5 that’s a fake quote isn’t it 🤔
Jk news needs a black persons on when they talk about stuff like this because honestly I watch you guys so I’m not some super liberal lefty but I do feel underrepresented because no one on here really gets the underlying causes
chardanay white it honestly made me agitated I had to turn it off in the first couple of minutes. Also they didn’t even go into full detail. The only person who kind of made sense was David
chardanay white Here we go again with the sjw cultural representation bs. This is their point. Get it?
for sec i was going say stfu your white but i looked at the picture LUL
Yeah I feel the same way. I feel like JK is kind of a like an echo chamber they all feel pretty much the same way about things so they don't really represent different opinions often. Sometimes I wish they had a person with different opinions than them that's also well versed in political science so there could be a productive discussion with both sides.
Yup, I definitely agree. They should get Rikcy Shucks back for when they talk about topics concerning black populations.
Nobi 😳 I cant stand everyone trying to interpret what he said. He tweeted again to “corrected” himself. No slavery was not a choice. He said black people had numbers but choose to stay slaves... It’s wrong! He fails to understand that there weren’t numbers! Slaves were a minority. They were unarmed. You are taking ur twist and trying to interpret what he said... HE CLARIFIED IT on twitter. And his clarification he said it again... Nothing about a mental prison. Stop trying to interpret what people are saying when they have stated and “clarified” it.
You guys left a lot of stuff out of this video
The problem i have with Kanye is that he is being controversial only for the sake of being controversial, He keeps saying that he wants to do things that people have told him not to do. So he doesn't even believe half the shit he says, he is only doing it to go against the grain. Kanye admits he is uninformed, he is willfully ignorant.
BIG MAHC Everyone is ignorant at something there’s no such thing as “willingly ignorant” and Kanye doesn’t know policy and he’s making that clear as he or anyone should should they be in his situation.
They clearly didn't do their Candice Owens research.
Yup.
David looks like he took his girlfriends oversize jacket by mistake
cathy tina yea I think the pink makes it even more off
Ayeee my submission was picked 😆 also, looking good David! Love the new style 😁
I think JK is just such a huge fan of Kanye's music that they are biased to hear what they want to hear from him. If it was a different artist, this discussion might be a little different.
In quarantine watching old videos and to see how much they relate to today is crazy
People need to stop calling him a genius
400 pounds? That sounds like a choice David!
He's in the sunken place
Wodchly What does that even mean?
Really Adawn did you watch get out lol
Wodchly we need to take a flash photo to bring him back
deep in the sunken place
Get yo flash ready
Show me where Kanye took back what he said about slavery, or even tried to elaborate... i watched the full video and he didnt at all
what do you mean
Samo I guess you're too busy being a victim instead of listening to what he said. It's your choice to feel that way.
idk i’m just tired of kanye still being relevant
Jocelyne Mendez he says this stuff to stay relevant
Jocelyne Mendez - Your racist
I agree, he always says some outrageous shit and we always end up talking about him. And his relevancy stays.
Bruno Mars you’re an idiot
Kanye will always be relevant. He's literally the most relevant musician of this generation.
where is ricky shucks ???
i dont feel well represented here.
Aneisha White I don't see it
Jknews has become a Groupthink and I don't think they have realized this yet
I feel like maybe they should have had a black person in the room for this type of topic.
Also when he said slavery was a choice he referred to it as a mental prison. How was slavery a mental prison??
That's exactly what he meant. You left a lot of things out of this video. The host asked him to clarify his thoughts right after and he said 'yeah'. He apologized to Van Lathan when he told him how hurtful his comments were. He then went on twitter and quoted Hariet Tubman and said he would have been like her or Nat Turner back in those times. His goal was to say that we are choosing to be 'slaves' to the media just like slaves did 400 years ago which is absolutely ignorant.
the only thing i can agree on in this episode is when david said that as an influencer, kanye should be more responsible about the things that he's saying. because you can't expect everyone to have the time to decode or sort out what he's saying for him. and yea, that's exactly what the media is doing, but he should also take it upon himself to clarify what he said. he keeps on blaming the media that keep on twisting words ans shit like that, but he can also use the media to get his point across and put context in the words that he's saying. but nah, he's only using the media for publicity stunts like this and I guess it's working cause all of us are talking about him now.
I wish you guys had someone of African American background with this discussion and also showed the Latham dude’s response to kanye
Hand Stand I disagree. They don't need their opinions to be validated by a black.
Hand Stand Are you trying to say if they had a Black person on this episode then that person would speak for all black people? That's kind of a ridiculous statement in itself! I know many Republican brother and sisters that somewhat agree with what Kanye said! So what would you say if they had a Black person on and they were Republican and defending Kanye? You would immediately bash them I'm sure. It's the mental slavery he's talking about and always playing the victim when not 1 person has lived through it in 200 years. It's the ones constantly yelling"but what about slavery?" that's holding their own selves back because the liberal media saying you can't do this or that because of your color! Well tell that to every successful black person out there living the high life and ask them if they were held back or if they just worked hard to get what they got, kinda like Kanye. Yeah he's definitely a little wak in the head but he has some truth to his words! It's a mentality that many take on that holds them down.
Kanye coulda worded it sooo much better
*DAVID LOOKS LIKE KIM JONG UN IN A KPOP BAND LMAO*
Kanye pulled a Bart with the bad explanations lol
Maximillian fax
I don't think you get the seriousness of what kanye said. I understand his idea of free thought and whatever but he compared society being manipulated by media etc with slavery. He said the numbers were on our side and we basically choose to stay. That's fully fucked up.
This is One of the best conversations you ever had on JK NEWs. You all had amazing points and have really grown as people please continue on this path... I'm so happy for your growth and well thought out dialogue, Great show everyone!
What the hell is wrong with this country. You get crazies like Trump and Kanye and you have people instead thinking they're some type of genius -_- smh I need to move
David's looking great! Keep putting in the work!
We care about Chicago. We care about all other gun issues it’s non blacks that only care about it when the problem is national.
there you go with your racist bs again..."non blacks"?? pff
How do you jump to the words “non-black” being racist???
tyrone loki tyrone loki I say non blacks because even other poc experience different things. Chicago is an issue within the black community. Jesus you guys want to nitpick everything I say but lucky for you I have patience to respond and give a view point you don’t seem to want to hear.
can you explain what you mean by poc? Also elaborate more on what you mean by Chicago is an issue within the black community
Stephany Banda poc= people of color. An I mean Chicago is an issue within the lack Community because most of it is gang or black on black crime. This we know, but I’m not saying only blacks should care about Chicago, but we know it’s an issue and people have been trying to make change for decades. But Chicago is constantly thrown up when debates about gun come up and it’s honestly disheartening.
"I feel the pressure, under more scrutiny
So what I do? Act more stupidly"
Hamzah Khan We really can't tell him nothing. Smh.
David look good
very happy this conversation went where it went instead of blasting him without deep diving. thank you.
The TMZ interview with Kanye West definitely had me pondering in some thoughts for a couple days. My conclusion comes to this :
Who cares what a celebrity says about politics; how are they adding any value to the conversation without regurgitating the same talking points from either the left or right. Why do we add any sort of substance to a celebrity that hasn’t pursued any academic education that allows them to hold any merit or credibility. We are idealizing false idols.
Also One thing I would disagree with JK is in the Candace Owens topic, her politics do lean towards the right in today’s political climate.
YES! New Steve Greene series 😭❤️🙏🏻 Da GOAT 🐐
Candace Owens? Really Joe and Steve?....Look up some of the crap she's done and said.
This has conversation has aged super freaking well. As of July 7th, 2020, people need to hear this message from jknews.
This is a panel that needs a black persons perspective. No offense, I love y’all, but this is a completely different struggle that you couldn’t possibly understand.
Sierra Alice No, we don't. It's a show, not a panel.
Fann Culo Do some research before you speak you idiot. A panel is defined as “a small group of people brought together to discuss, investigate, or decide on a particular matter” Yes, this is a show, but the people on the show are a panel. Stfu
AJ No but I’d rather hear the opinion of those who’ve experienced coming from certain backgrounds and why they came to that decision rather than people who haven’t had that
a black person like Kanye? or does he not count because he doesn't echo your opinions?
BIG MAHC No, but Kanye doesn’t speak for all black people. He’s changed since he’s gotten rich and not saying he’s crazy because of this specific instance (but I do think this instance is kinda dumb tbh) but it’s because the last few years he’s been sporadic and random, so I question his stability.
I love you guys... The points you all make are so on point for me!
But also I'd love to point out that most sitting republican reps DO NOT support the lgbtq community so it IS counterproductive and damaging when you have lgbtq people showing support for these people and all of their policies. I am not FARRR LEFT in the slightest but that shit rubs me the wrong way for sure. In general I would never support those who make policies that directly negatively target me/people like me/people in my situation. That just makes no sense AND I'd be screwing a lot of people over. There is also a BIG difference in agreeing with some Republican policies and being an active full on supporter which means you fully back them. It's all about the policies. This goes for both major parties. BOTH sides do shady shit that benefits themselves instead of the people who they serve. I don't fully back either side. I think our party system is clearly flawed. There should be wayyy more major parties. Not 2 big ones, a small one, and a few unknown ones. For this video, and like they mentioned, the JK Crew didn't articulate some points well. Like I get what they were going for, but some nuances go wayy deeper and there is wayyy more to it. For example, women who are against abortion who actively vote for policies against it. I won't call these women self-haters or anything like that. Everyone has a right to have their own opinion. However, you actively working to take away a choice, that is not yours to make, from someone else....is pretty fucking shitty. If you don't agree with it then don't have an abortion. Let others make their own choice.
Been waiting for this episode
He tweeted after, saying the exact same thing though.....
There's a fine line between crazy and genius. Kanye goes back forth.
“I hit it, I hit it, first” -Ray J
I like this type of videos. Sometimes I admit that I get caught up in this social media mentality and it's hard to fix it.
I'm just glad that TMZ journalist put him in his place. Sucker needs to go away now. Get his head checked I don't care, just go away, attention seeking behavior is nauseating. If he's having mental health issues that's one thing, but just go away.
WOAH I DIDNT GET A NOTIFICATION...
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
But I’m a minute late.
Candace Owens is definitely not a moderate. A moderate wouldn't call Trump or any politician a savior and wouldn't express as much partisan support as Owens does.
She even said in this interview on TMZ that she wants to go back to when Blacks were share croppers in the segregated south. ... shows how far to the right they are.
Grateful for Geo and David in this episode
By the way Tiffany police brutality is not a tiny thing smh
courtney This might be the single time Tiff said something intelligent on jkn.
Fann Culo did you create another account just to leave comments to agree with yourself? AJ?
Yes it is. Police brutality shouldn't even be a worry compared to everything else
Fann Culo ikr usually she's smarter than this
Lmao You are a great example of what they just fucking talked about in the video.
"The worst thing you can call somebody is crazy, it's dismissive. 'Oh, I don't understand this person, they're crazy'. It's false"
My problem with Kanye (and JK to be quite honest) is that he (they) don't think people are capable of thinking for themselves. Their brains function just like everybody else. I'm aware of what Kanye said, and what everybody else they covered said, and I'm able to come to the conclusion that Kanye is an ignorant fool who thinks too highly of himself. Whether he took it back or not, he suggested black people just accepted slavery. Anyone who is a self-proclaimed genius, chances are that they're not a genius. And the JK crew really should've included John Legend's tweets.
jmvice41 They're not wrong. The majority are not capable
The fact that they were supported Candace Owens is wild af. Jk man wth.
david, was this outfit a dare??😂
Tena Mustafa it looks good
whats wrong with it? looks fine to me
I think it looks fine on him
Jared Burkett nah it's not bad .. it's just not what he usually wears
Tena Mustafa true
i was waiting for this one a touchy topic.
kanye also does not identify as black. if you look at the actual interview he talks about a teacher telling his daughter gleefully that she is black. he said the teacher did not see her as Kanye's daughter. kanye thinks he transcends race. remember his first cloth line featured the Confederate flag. kanye want to be white.
“I’m human above being Asian” that is a very true statement and I’m so glad Bart said it. People make everything about race nowadays even when it’s not
Are they really supporting Kanye's "slavery was a choice" statement?
Edgar Mota I don't even know
Edgar Mota Basically, yes
Yasuno Chikao why?
Edgar Mota Not really. They're supporting other comments he made. Stop looking at surface level shit.
What this dude said^ He's not claiming slaves chose to be slaves.
Honestly this is probably one of the best jk news videos made so far. I'll be honest some things said in this video I probably do not agree with. Other ideas I support. But at least multiple perspectives are touched upon. Maybe it went too much toward one side. But it's a damn good video. I like jk news for how raw it is and the comic aspect as well as being able to see natural reactions. Normal funny stuff is great. But this type is great too. Really another part of what jk news stands for, having discussions like a news channel with real people and real opinions. Man that's amazing.
I wanted to point out Geo's non response. Why is it when JK speak about politics, Geo extra quiet. Almost like she doesn't want to fire off.
Jose Reyna shes smart cuz she know she has no,knowledge of and will look ignorant so she doesn't say anything. I'm ok with that
gordon sung cause she has almost different views and opinions then everyone else
Jose Reyna Geo and Bart have said previous Kanye is a genious and their favorite artist.
Geo doesnt know much about politics
Cj Iscool Not accurate. She's a feminazi and a sjw
I got the message. Basically he was talking about our mindset, while the media cutting clips and taking it out of context. And he's right.
Joe and Steve is woke AF.
*educated
No they are pretty damn stupid.
*are
Lmao. Hell no. They're spewing the same tired political jargan as anyone on the right or left. Just because you don't give a fuck about what's happening around you, doesn't make you woke.
Pretty fucking stupid saying no ones cares about Chicago
For some contexr, Kanye wasn't being literal, he was using a mental prison as when he liked Candice Owens over the fact that Black people do not owe the democratic party their vote
Candace Owens is definitely right-wing, guys
This one deserve more views , it inspires me to think .
Who's still going to listen to his new record?
Chance God like Chris brown
Douglas Henry considering he has a big influence what he says and does is of importance. Smh tired of blind, sheep fans
I’m just waiting for that Kid Cudi joint to drop I’ll make my decision later /s.
Im not. I heard those two songs he came out with and the life of pablo. I'm not missing much.
Me
I mean as black guy , I think Kanye is so right. We got learn with the asians man, whats in the past is in the past we should move on and build a new future and take care of our families .
Yawn yup let's just keep blaming the media instead of placing fault on the individual themselves
I feel like they should’ve had a black person on this video
*Kanye isn't going "crazy" people seem to forget this is just how he is and how he always has been just to a more extreme level right now and people are making it a big deal cause of his return*
He is a genius in some ways I mean the man's music speaks a lot maybe not his recent stuff but in ways, he is a genius everyone is. Plus you cant say just an artist you trivialize something that really should be respected not everyone can be an artist.
plus kanye has always been confident with or without acceptance even now people arent accepting him yet he doesnt care thats the way he is he paves his own path and I can respect that although i dont agree with everything he does I do respect what it takes to get their and it isnt easy.
If you wanna look at it like that its really making it way to simple he's an artist, an inspiration, a motivator, a husband, a father, a millionaire, a successful person who played their cards right and is on top he's a person who stands out people wish to be recognized as much as him. He really doesn't care much about what people say about him because while people are calling him crazy and dumb what does that make them ?? this "crazy idiot" is more rich and successful than you what does that say about you?? People need to reflect on themselves before they talk on others.
Amare Ree5v BS. Who the hell wants to be Kanye west? No one. I certainly dont want to be as recognized, much less someone as stupid as him. He is no genius. You people just keep feeding into his inflated ego, and extreme narcacissm. Also just because he 'works hard' doesn't mean he gets a pass on all the dumb crap he says and does. Oh and to answer your last question, it makes me pretty concerned. Concerned that such a person is blindly defended and supported.
When someone says JUST an artist it implies that you are trying to belittle it you should word your stuff better and plus you saying just an artist is belittling his accomplishments because you aren't recognizing his other accomplishments. here's an extreme example If I saved the world but dropped one mixtape and you said oh he's just a musician that would be belittling my accomplishments
I really thought I was the only one that realized how much David was working this jacket, but I am not alone lol😍
in my humble opinion the reason certain groups tend to vote a certain way is because certain political parties tend to favor those groups in their policy making. it's not rocket science. these guys didn't touch on it at all but if Republicans were more inclusive they would be crushing elections all the time. so when somebody supports a party that is a detriment to their group it does come off as wtf where you thinking. why even go on TMZ if you don't know how to speak. kanye was reckless. this panel jumped to their own conclusions as well. I don't care what kanye said but their are people that do which is what makes it so reckless. he needs to be more responsible
I completely disagree with Steve's statement on how 'anti-abortion' means you are not for women and that's tribalism. To put t simply, if you think you are 'for women' or 'feminist' (unless the words are not intended to be interchangeable) you have to adhere to certain core sentiments of what 'for women' essentially entails. And a women's right to chose what she does with her body happens to be one of those core tenants. In other words identifying with certain groups necessarily means you identify with the purpose of the movement as well, if you don't, you are not for the movement.
Rah you lot needed a black person for this one. One that could explain this stuff to you. You all led with your emotions imo and werent being objective. (Nobody come at me with the " wHy dO yOu nEeD bLaCk pEoPlE To...."
WheresMyCurryAt Nah they just biased cos they kanye fanboys.
David actually looked stylish for once lol. That fit definitely does him justice 👌🏼 well done dude.