1838 remark - " America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves - Abraham Lincoln ."
In 1855 he said, "“As a nation, we began by declaring that ‘all men are created equal’. We now practically read it ‘all men are created equal, except negroes’. When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read ‘all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics’. When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”
@@cerealeater7369 the federalist papers warned of threats of central bankers being how the uk would turn us into a proxy of british colonialism. all our wars since 1913 have been to further off shore organized crime.
I don't think women should vote. Been happily married for 15 years, 3 kids, homeowner, and probably everything else you hate❤ wife cooks barefoot with a smile on her face
Who your strawman? Men are just people. Trump wouldn't have won this election if so many black men voted for him. Men are just people women aren't a monolith. You sound like the shut-in who can't Cary on a conversation with someone different from you
I’m against book bans almost by definition. This is indeed one of the famous exceptions that I’m fine with not having in any library. Much like shouting fire in a theater, there’s always at least one exception.
No public library can contain literally all the books. This is one they can give a miss. That said I am pretty sure I can read whatever if I really want to, in Germany no less and " officially" so. Landesbibliothek Speyer will Order anything I want if they don't already have it. If I wanted to read mein Kampf I'd have to go there and sit down but I could afaik. I won't.
@@nenafan1 this book isn't in all libraries in America, only ones where it has been requested and not asked to be removed. Which to me is fine, that's the way it should be. Should it be in the Library of Congress? OK. America's largest library needs to have a copy of this unfortunately influential book. Even for reference, this is important. Also many other state-funded libraries should have it, for reference and critique. This book is not in high school libraries, though, (or at least none I have ever seen, in South Carolina or Texas in the '90s). Notably, I didn't see the most far-flung school libraries, so I couldn't rule them all out. Mostly, it has been related to gun shows, rallies, and private bookshops for the vast majority of its copies. This sort of ideology NEEDS to be critiqued and kept in our literary consciousness, so that noone can come along anew, and write about similar atrocities claiming they had "revolutionary ideas." Instead, their work would then be compared to THIS maligned book, and the hate and fascism would be laid bare for all familiar to see. Similar to Mein Kampf, it is a necessary point of comparison for critique. You have to be able to do this to fascists. Otherwise they just write more fascist stuff if you remove the original from debate.
They dont believe that the Holocaust didnt happen, they just know that being for it would make people turn against them, so the next best step is to encourage disbelief
"Take photos, get film evidence. Grab any kind of evidence you can. Or else someone in the future is going to deny that this ever happened." General George Patton, in regards to the Holocaust and other Nazi atrocities
I live in a very rural, very red part of PA and used to work in a book store. There were two types of people who ordered that book, folks who were buying it out of curiosity to see if it's as bad as it sounds and those who were buying it as an instructional manual.
Reminds me of Ben Shapiro's book, True Allegiance. His characters commit a bunch of crimes and terrorist acts but it's okay because they are right-wing and thus patriots and thus doing it all for a good cause. Just sick stuff all around.
Every time a conservative thinker tries to write a novel they unknowingly write a remix of the turner diaries. It’s hilariously consistent once you notice it.
@@imacmill the turner diaries itself is not, Ben Shapiro unwittingly writing an action movie reject version of it is hysterical. The only story that lives in the hearts of conservatives is “great man rises up against liberal degeneracy” Ben Shapiro however wrote one where BLM is tricking black kids into getting themselves shot by police to make the cops look racist, masterminded by a guy who sells crack out of a barbershop and it’s so illuminating on Ben’s worldview that I’m now of the opinion elected officials should be forced to write novels, cause it seems impossible to do without outing oneself. Also every good guy in Ben’s book is tall, and all the terrorists are short and I just love that little glimpse into his psychology.
@@imacmill I made a reply to you explaining what I’m getting at, but just giving a synopsis of Ben’s book set off UA-cam comment moderation. So short version is turner diaries, not funny. Ben Shapiro accidentally rewriting it as a bad action movie stuck in book format, rather funny.
--- THIS IS FASCIST ENTERTAINMENT . . . with some patches of good narrative writing and incredible sex scenes, and especially the biblical language that concludes the story. Consider the racist premise, "The Turner Diaries" (1978) inverts the Nazi persecution of the Jews into "The Passion of the White Supremacist", the white-boy's burden, as it were; and do not forget that they-the--persecuted "recover control" of THEIR planet Earth from all of us mud people.
Was it just because of the politics? Alot of people still read this book, it's no Harry Potter, but there is something that resonates with reading audiences that you can't deny
The book is like a long, rambling rant from that crazy Uncle nobody talks about, but keeps showing up at family gatherings and sharing his wit and wisdom.
yeah and he wrote the foreword for the book Unhumans by Jack Posobiec which is basically an instruction manual for mass murder against "the left" (anyone not a nazi)
@Anonymous99666 the handmaid's tale also uses the framing device of being a diary written in a dystopian near future, discovered in the far future, after the dystopia has fallen. Needless to say, Atwood and William Luther Pierce have very different ideas about what constitutes a dystopia!
@@laurencewinch-furness9450 is it true that the handmaids tale is about islamic oppression but when the Tv show was made it was changed to christian oppression?
@@Anonymous99666 nope. Atwood realised the common thread of all oppressive regimes is the suppression of women, and that if a dictatorship were to ever come to the US it would be theocratic. There's elements of multiple real-world regimes that inspired Gilead, including the original puritan colonies, revolutionary Iran and Caeusecu's Romania. Interestingly, Atwood pointed out that the Sons of Jacob movement, which run Gilead in the novel only ever quote the old testament and never mention Jesus. They are more like a biblically inspired new religious movement, distinct from any Christian denomination. The nearest real-world equivalents would probably be the FLDS and Twelve Tribes cult.
thoughtslime did a review of this book which i would recommend. it’s really objectively a bad book, at least from a narrative perspective. not to mention the inspiration for terrorism
The IDEA of an insurgency/revolutionary fantasy fan-fiction (which is basically the gist of this book, minus the explicit racism and fascism), is actually a pretty common thing. The idea of inciting a race war and committing a holocaust of peoples in the process is a whole different level. I think the author's defence would be "Well, I never said the ending was good. MC dies for glory, and probably noone lives in peace." But it still glorifies fascism. You could MAYBE write a book about similar things on an alien planet, or in the far future, or whatever, and if it is implied that MC's life (Turner) was a sad approximation for the fulfillment that normal people get in their lives, and his death means little besides for his own ego. That would probably be the "WH40K version" of the Turner Diaries. 😆 You can write "fascist" stories that still ultimately dunk-on fascists.
@mistermoo7602 She's (I genuinely don't recall at this point but I think they go by Mildred. . . Idk) the kind of dishonest leftist who belongs eith the likes of Hakim, BadEmpanada, BadBunny, Noah Samsen, LunaOi, JanitorFlowers, or a host of other grifters and red fascists. Just as a singular example you can google Thoughtslime and sex cult. Wouldn't be the first thing they lied about pver the years but it is the most readily recalled. If someone's first quality isn't integrity then I'm not sticking around for someone like Mildred to pick my pocket.
The book isn't dangerous. It should be mandatory reading. People give books these mythical powers. I own a number of "forbidden" books. As it turns out, its easier to argue against ideas you've actually inmersed yourself in. Touching the Turner Diaries won't make you a race warrior just by touching it any more than Mao's or the mustachioed guy's book will make you like them.
@@sypherthe297th2 it doesn’t turn a normal person into a white nationalist, but it has been known to inspire white nationalists to commit acts of terror. The proof is in the fact that we’ve seen it happen. Terrorists have included excerpts in their manifestos
The real MVP of the comments section 🙌🏽 People think once they've left religion behind they are true free thinkers, but in reality they've just hit level 1.
@Fat_Tony One of the biggest problems with atheists and people on the left (there tends to be significant overlap but its not one to one) is this notion that only someone who is amenable to these ideas would want to expose themselves to them. Its kind of like a self-imposed book ban for one. But it's basically putting yourself at a severe disadvantage as far as I'm concerend. There is a reason that atheists have tended to read the Bible more extensively than most believers. It either is what made them atheist in the first place or they needed more information about what they were pushing back against. I checked out the mustachioed guys book from my suburban school library in the late 90s out of curiosity having come across it in the stacks. Got a look from the librarian but he was a good bloke. Probably still ended up on a watch list. . . Anyway, it was boring and just a bunch of nonsense. I came away amazed at just how mundane and just common evil could be. It wasn't the necronomicon which would plunge the world back into darkness when opened. He may have driven a nation into madness with oratory but the book definitely wasn't magic. It was an important lesson to learn. I think Owen is doing a public service exposing his audience to this book and should do so with other extremist literature even if ever so briefly.
I agree. Though with Mao, his literary work isn’t nearly as bad as mein kampf and the turner diaries. You have to remember that before Mao was a authoritarian leader(who was also VERY incompetent on things like the great famine which killed a huge amount of people) he was a very successful on guerilla tactics and he borrowed a lot of his ideas from anarchism and libertarian socialist thought.
you make some very special and insightful videos owen my friend. I am a long time subscriber haha. No one else i know out there covers the tings you do but they are indeed things that people should know and be informed on.
Owen, I am a scholar of 20th century Europe. I've been to Auschwitz. It's sobering. I love your work carrying truth through to a new generation. Thanks.
Yeah, but when you take into account how popular pseudoscience was and how mixed-up it was with history and biology between the 19th and 20th century you'll start to see where it's coming from. Freud was mainstream, Nazis were funding expeditions to find the traces of white rulers of Tibet and previously the Europeans were bringing home all those fantastic relics that they dug up and that the coloured locals presumably couldn't have built. It's all the same with white Jesus etc.
"Aryan" was apparently an obsession with Germans who wanted to appropriate the discoveries of linguists of the Indo-European language family for racial purposes. But even 3rd Reich linguists resisted that encroachment, and it was well understood among the Reich's academics that Germany was populated by many ethnicities. So usage of the term "Aryan" declined over the Reich's later years.
@warheadsnation the problem was that the Reich was run by believers in that BS though. Himmler was an occultist and the rest of them to various degrees followed the nonsense at least a bit.
I’ve known about The Turner Diaries since I was 12. I lived in North Idaho, not a few miles from the Aryan Nations compound. It was not sold publicly and although it was technically banned through the library system, there were plenty of copies on the shelves. The local Nazis would slip in copies on the shelves of area libraries and book stores.
I grew up in the birch society I read this book as a kid and loved it. I have thought about rereading it now to just see how indoctrinated I was as a kid.
@@karenpellerin5841 it is a fare right group was big in the 70s and through the 90s in the Mormon (LDS) community in Utah and Idaho. Im sure it was in other places as well just this is the area I know from mi experience.
@@karenpellerin5841 The John Birch Society was pretty much the fundamental reactionary right-wing organization from the late '50s, on through the Vietnam War. It still persisted afterwards, but in much lower numbers. They mostly campaigned politically and in public opinion campaigns, although some of their members were probably also affiliated with other more violent groups, especially in the 60s. OP growing up in the late 70s or 80s with Birch would have been a pretty small group. Though I also remember finding a copy of this book at a Texas BSA (Boy Scouts) troop, so... It definitely proliferated.
If you loved this book as a kid, you were very indoctrinated. I felt the same with the Bible. I was a mess when I came out of Christianity at age 48. You were probably smarter than me and got out of your upbringing easier. That book sounds way worse than Christianity. I’m glad you made it out. Your parents must have been very involved. Yikes!
The movie, Leave the World Behind is a watch-worthy take on the ease of how our enemies could easily set us against each other and destroy ourselves. Thanks, Owen.
8:32 _"... that is the Christian position, is that households should not be divided against one another ..."_ > Matthew 10,34-37: _"Think not that I [Jesus] am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother ... He that loveth father or mother ... son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."_ _There is no hate like Christian love._
I’ve read it over and come to the conclusion you are illiterate it was referring to satan and if you weren’t cherry picking you’d realize that litterly everywhere else on that page is ways or how to do good with varying mentions of satan. I know a lot of people have interpreted the Bible but you can’t do it with a bias.
Thank you, Owen! I feel like I have a fair grasp of what this book is now. In more detail than I’ve read or heard before. And I am now relieved of having to read this piece myself. Thank you!
Joel Webbon kinda gives off the vibes of commander Fred Waterford in The Handmaid’s Tale. Looks like Fred crossed with Matt Walsh. Like, is that just me? Maybe just cause I’m watching the show rn.
Some books have been restricted by age for excellent reason, but once information/misinformation is in the Wild, it's nearly impossible to claw it back.
0:02 Gonna get this out of the gate right here. I read that book as a teenager. I also read “Serpent’s Walk” and “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century”, a book about denying the Holocaust. As for why, I look to my uncle, who was a fascist and sold those books along with others all over the world. I’m not proud of what I went through, but it does give me a very good understanding of how these fascists think.
Brave episode. Never heard of it. It's on Archive in PDF. The quote "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" highlights the subjective nature of political labels and perspectives, particularly in conflict situations. It underscores how actions perceived as terrorism by one group may be seen as a legitimate struggle for freedom or justice by another, depending on cultural, political, or ideological viewpoints. This phrase has been widely discussed and used in various contexts, often to question the ethics of labeling and the complexities of moral judgment in global conflicts.
"Tell me my life is about to begin, tell me that i am a hero, promise me all of your violent dreams, light up your body in Anger, NOW, in this ugly world,we are breaking the chains that bound us, NOW, the crusade has begun, keep us a Land fit for heroes, NOW... Genesis, The Knife, 1971, a pretty dark song about revolutions and victors
47, the decaying President Elect. has proposed letting the nations police loose to do what they will--for ONE day. Just as he has announced that he will be a dictator--just for one day. I think his rotted brain can't focus on more than a single day--but I may be the victim of leftist propaganda and underestimate That Grotesque Thing too easily. Anyway, that day of uninhibited freedom for cops would need no planning beyond what the Turner Diaries sets out as a plan.
Thanks for sharing this book. I certainly don’t want to read it but I liked hearing you tell the story. There are so many manipulative tactics in this book!
Excellent review, thank you! I was thinking all the way through that I'd love to see you do a comparison to the anarchist cookbook. I haven't read it but my understanding is that it's basically considered to be the dangerous equivalent on the left - some similar info in there even.
Actually the lampshade thing was found to be a lie. They ended up keeping the commandant's wife in prison for the rest of her life. The soap thing was proven a lie as well...had something to do with a misunderstanding/mistranslation with the letters stamped on the soap
@@johannesswarts1440 I’m assuming that you may have heard of a famous photographer called Cecil Beaton ? . . Well, he was performing “ “ Photoshopped “ images on 35mm film prints during the 1930s in his Bright Young Thing era . . Images can be tailored and adapted to the circumstances which they are designed for.. I’m sure you understand . .
@@johannesswarts1440 References, proof and sources ?? . . seriously ??? You are aware that we are no longer to use such liberties any longer on this platform . . So why ask ? . . Do you not think it makes you look simple ??
Ordered a copy of Was Hitler an Atheist on Dec. 5th, was hoping to get it soon. Nothing yet. Anyone else ordered the book and can tell me how long it takes to get? Looking forward to reading it over the holidays.
A right wing power fantasy. It's telling that even the "protagonist" of these writings, even in this completely fabricated crapsack world, is a pretty evil person with no compassion at all, whose only goal is to sow as much chaos as possible.
2:29 Actually a lot of historians say it was mostly plainclothes Gestapo/SS guys doing most of that and they were planning on escalating it but they ended up stopping because they saw it had potential to turn into something they couldn’t control.
@araworn2141 hay you the one being all angry that there's minoritys in the USA that have pretty close to equal rights. Also if you hate minorities so much and love trump and elon or at least rasisum why are you watching a channel that stands against it? Are my questions triggering you? Your feeling a tiny microscopic feel of what's it's like to be an "other". I didn't plan that, I asked a question. Why are you so mad?
Is there any way I can read this without being put on a watch list? I don’t want to read it because I want to hurt anyone, I want to read it because it’s a highly influential work to a huge group of people; and I think having knowledge of it is important.
Nope. Owning a copy of this book or having a digital copy is the kind of red flag the government won't ignore, given that Timothy McVeigh is but one example of the many, many domestic terrorists and serial killers inspired by it.
This book is a great example of the importance of Karl Popper's "Paradox of Tolerance." The resolution of that paradox is self-defense: societies have a right and responsibility to defend themselves from those who would deny basic human rights to others.
@@nate6045....wtf are you even on about? Clearly they are referring to the fact his last birthday he was alive for was 9/11, the event in 2001. Because he died in July of 2002, and he was born on September 11th, 1933.
Wow. I've never been curious enough to read the book and I've never had the plot outlined. I have to say that just what you covered is way beyond what I expected. It makes me really curious about the author. What kind of life did he have that he simultaneously became a physicist and wrote something so insane.
Interesting point that they made November 9th the day that gets celebrated, considering that it's 11/9. Like I KNOW it's written way before 9/11, but that's a REALLY weird coincidence.
The author is in the abc documentary homegrown hate : a war within , stating how the next gen will be indoctrinated via the new thing called the internet back in early to mid 90s ,doc worth the watch
@@nickp.2169 It depends on the definition of genocide you use. The upcoming annexation of Palestine will accompany an ethnic cleansing and replacement of Palestinians with colonists, which qualifies as genocide under the current definition.
I purchased my copy from Waldenbooks and read it in 1997/1998. I was just out of high school so i dont know that it affected me all that much back then. Id like to reread it again now soon though... I certainly didn5 see what apl the fuss was about when i was a teen.
This comment got me thinking Should one buy these books only to remove them out of circulation? Sure someone that that wants to read it will find a way to do so but removing them will stop potential people finding it and potentially turning down the wrong path?
@ it’s a fair question. I bought both books because honestly they were there. I collect books of all kinds and these are, arguably, worth having (for me) as part of my library for both reference and historical purposes. Speaking for myself, just because I read something doesn’t mean I’ll advocate the authors view. I stand by what I said, however; these books are so poorly written it’s amazing they influenced anybody of any intelligence.
@@Michael-sb8jfit sounds like you’re going down that path trying to restrict literature it sounds very 1940s Germany unless the book contains formulas on how to make bombs or drugs info that can directly harm if we stop the spread of ideas where does that stop and to who’s judgement it’s a slippery slope to say the least
@@Michaelcj-m2d "Had a hard time saying Focus,bad reading." Your poor reading comprehension doesnt make a book bad. You write like a 2nd grade child. I can only imagine you enjoyed Das Capital because its written for a certain demographic: childlike idiots.
just reading the description of the plot, it feels like a conservatives "1984" for a civil liberal democratic society, and it lacks any tension besides "the Jews and the oppressive government" which have no motivation, just inherently evil, power-hungry bad guys, and it sucks, 1984 was so elegant about describing how the system beats the resistance down by BEING its own counter, by taking in the revolution and cutting it off before it can even start, THOSE are a good representation of power, and how it corrupts, there's some rather introspective conflict there, turner diaries seems to be just a doom-like white-supremacist power-fantasy of some geriatric old white guy, and hunter seems to be him doubling down when he saw how popular it got with terrorists edit: i do realize i didnt really get my point acrossed fully; even as a white guy, if i just picked this up and didnt care about anyone else, i'd still put the book down by the first chapter because id be bored, it sucks as a book as well as the themes and "lessons"
Yes, the way you describe 1984 is an example of what sociologist Herbert Marcuse called Repressive Desublimation. Instead of totally destroying opposition, powerful governments or others co-opt what is dangerous, tame and normalize it--and, monetize it.
I love how Earl Turner is both an Everyman and a multi religious scholar Thanks Owen for putting your psyche through this awful book. If you listen to the GOP leaders' words now, you'll start hearing bits and pieces of this book in their talking points too
It's not about taking women's right to vote as much as it is about not dividing households? How about remove men's right to vote? Serves the same purpose, right? Or maybe you are just comfortable removing rights from people that are not you.
You forget that in this worldview, a woman is a part of the household like the crockery or furniture. You wouldn’t let your sink vote, would you? That’s how they see women. Part of the decor.
I read this as a teenager, the only things I really took from it was a relatively clever way the terrorists hide their guns in walls through hollowed doorways on wall studs after they're made illegal. I still remember that part some 35 years or so later, and the exact making of the devices that Tim McVeigh made, which should tell you how effective it is at what it wants to do, teach lone wolf terrorists and criminals how to be more lethal in simple, descriptive language, that is easily absorbed and retaught if one wanted to.
So is Mein Kampf, but literary skill is not needed to produce an influential book. Something too well done will not fly with the mass of people who want to be told what they are to think and do.
The Protocols are a hoax that were pretty much plagarized from a french political satire, a chapter from a fictional novel, and some pieces taken out of context from an early zionist tract.
@@willytodd2750 Because Dr. Pierce actually wrote "The Turner Diaries". "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" can NOT actually be attributed to Jews.
the thing about each house hold should not be divided thing why not the women having the right to vote. she littery can created life , no man can do that. Does creation is the power of god in their view so Doesn't it also mean woman is half god?
He is proposing similar policies. Kicking out "immigrants," documented or undocumented and, to "not split up the family," their spouses and children. Meaning he'd be willing to deport citizens regardless of race, for being married to and having children with non-white Hispanic people.
It is the opposite. The only silver-lining of a 2nd Trump presidency is as a relief valve for these kind of people. They won't feel obligated to do these things. I believe that if Kamala won 2024, we would have seen another Jan 6. It would have been controlled and put-down, but it definitely would have set these people into "insurgency mode." I'm not saying it was a good thing and certainly not the right choice, but it is factually untrue that there will be more right-wing, anti-federal violence with Trump. There may, however, be more anti-state right-wing violence and more anti-fed left-wing violence. We will have to see. 😕
Another reason why D-day did work was because Hitler was not completely convinced that there was going to be an invasion. Also there were many false alarms before so when his general tried to get through to Hitler he couldn't get in touch with him so he couldn't sound the alarm to prepare for what he thought was the real thing. Even though the ships were on the horizon Hitler still didn't give the order to be ready for battle. So when the Allied forces landed on different beaches the Germans were not ready. It's because of the Atlantic wall so many people died on those beaches but if Hitler reacted faster there's a big chance D-day failed.
Tbh Neon@zi propaganda is a goldmine of unintentional comedy Turner Diaries includes a scene where the protagonist is initiated into the uber secret inner circle of white supremacists who are off course framed as heroic, and how is he made a true believer? Well they give him an unnamed book to read, we are not told by the narrator what the book sais but that after he reads it he is convinced and realises the true nature of the conflict and how they must win Like basically the author goes "listen there are all these arguments that would totally convince you I am right... but I am not gonna actually tell them to you, trust me bro" Off course there are other lolcow media like the ttrpg "Racial Holy War" or the posters made by Atomwaffen which deserve a fucking 2016 style cringe compilatiom about them I dont get how people buy this shit
Hopefully you see these comments days later because I just watched this, and I want to thank you for presenting this. I thought of the Wi school shooter and wondered how directly she related to these people. And it is so obvious that this is the path that the US is on right now.
@@munkeefinkelbeen5395 There's a movie from 1990 starring Cory Haim called Prayer Of The Roller Boys. It's a great interpretation. Blending The Turner Diaries with Starlight Express. It's hilarious 😂
1838 remark - " America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves - Abraham Lincoln ."
something something, house divided.
In 1855 he said, "“As a nation, we began by declaring that ‘all men are created equal’. We now practically read it ‘all men are created equal, except negroes’. When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read ‘all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics’.
When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be it's author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide".
@@cerealeater7369 the federalist papers warned of threats of central bankers being how the uk would turn us into a proxy of british colonialism. all our wars since 1913 have been to further off shore organized crime.
@@iamprocrastination.9415 A house divided cannot stand.
Same guys who think women shouldn't vote can't understand why women don't like or listen to them 🤡
Or cry they can't get a date 😂
I don't think women should vote. Been happily married for 15 years, 3 kids, homeowner, and probably everything else you hate❤ wife cooks barefoot with a smile on her face
@@Michaelcj-m2d “Male loneliness epidemic” lol only for these guys
Who your strawman? Men are just people. Trump wouldn't have won this election if so many black men voted for him.
Men are just people women aren't a monolith. You sound like the shut-in who can't Cary on a conversation with someone different from you
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Banning books in the age of the internet is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 believing it will stop shoplifting.
It’s not banned.
So what did they really have against Kurtz?
@@Johnconno --- KURTZ ACTED IN THE OPEN . . . and exposed colonialism, that the practise of genocide is a BASIC PRINCIPLE of PRACTICAL capitalism.
And it just makes intelligent people seek out the banned material more than they would have otherwise.
Until Project 2025 completely censors the internet (or tries).
I believe that no book should be banned from any public library, but this book is really challenging that.
Read the Bible.
I’m against book bans almost by definition.
This is indeed one of the famous exceptions that I’m fine with not having in any library.
Much like shouting fire in a theater, there’s always at least one exception.
No public library can contain literally all the books. This is one they can give a miss. That said I am pretty sure I can read whatever if I really want to, in Germany no less and " officially" so. Landesbibliothek Speyer will Order anything I want if they don't already have it. If I wanted to read mein Kampf I'd have to go there and sit down but I could afaik. I won't.
@@MrVillabolomy day would be MADE if the Bible was banned
Just to piss the Christians off
@@nenafan1 this book isn't in all libraries in America, only ones where it has been requested and not asked to be removed. Which to me is fine, that's the way it should be.
Should it be in the Library of Congress? OK. America's largest library needs to have a copy of this unfortunately influential book. Even for reference, this is important. Also many other state-funded libraries should have it, for reference and critique.
This book is not in high school libraries, though, (or at least none I have ever seen, in South Carolina or Texas in the '90s). Notably, I didn't see the most far-flung school libraries, so I couldn't rule them all out.
Mostly, it has been related to gun shows, rallies, and private bookshops for the vast majority of its copies.
This sort of ideology NEEDS to be critiqued and kept in our literary consciousness, so that noone can come along anew, and write about similar atrocities claiming they had "revolutionary ideas." Instead, their work would then be compared to THIS maligned book, and the hate and fascism would be laid bare for all familiar to see. Similar to Mein Kampf, it is a necessary point of comparison for critique.
You have to be able to do this to fascists. Otherwise they just write more fascist stuff if you remove the original from debate.
The fact that they use the belief that the Holocaust was fake to justify a Holocaust is... For lack of a better word, fascinating.
They dont believe that the Holocaust didnt happen, they just know that being for it would make people turn against them, so the next best step is to encourage disbelief
Is media literacy a fucking joke to you?
It’s almost comedic in a horrific way. It’s amazing that people like this are so self unaware.
"Take photos, get film evidence. Grab any kind of evidence you can. Or else someone in the future is going to deny that this ever happened."
General George Patton, in regards to the Holocaust and other Nazi atrocities
A lot of nazis will make statements that amount to “the holocaust didn’t happen, but it should have”
Now I know why Vicky was so cruel to Timmy Turner
BED TWRIP!! Icky Vicky. The Crimson Chin and Ckeft, the boy chin wonder. 😅😅. Jay Lenno did the Chins voice.
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@@julietfischer5056 Fairly odd parents. A kid's cartoon where Timmy Turner gets fairy godparents because he's got such a shit life.
@julietfischer5056 Cartoon. She was making reference to a nickelodeon cartoon. Fairly Godparents.
@@Bobbyboy-i3z yessss
I live in a very rural, very red part of PA and used to work in a book store. There were two types of people who ordered that book, folks who were buying it out of curiosity to see if it's as bad as it sounds and those who were buying it as an instructional manual.
Eastern or western PA? either way...i know those people well.
@Mad_Possum South-Central. I lovingly call it the Alabama portion of Pennsyltucky.
There’s a neo-Nazi living near me who has recently “reformed” himself just in time to run again for Sheriff.
That’s terrifying!
Reminds me of Ben Shapiro's book, True Allegiance. His characters commit a bunch of crimes and terrorist acts but it's okay because they are right-wing and thus patriots and thus doing it all for a good cause. Just sick stuff all around.
Every time a conservative thinker tries to write a novel they unknowingly write a remix of the turner diaries. It’s hilariously consistent once you notice it.
@@maxwessel7786 I'm not finding anything about this 'hilarious'.
@@imacmill the turner diaries itself is not, Ben Shapiro unwittingly writing an action movie reject version of it is hysterical.
The only story that lives in the hearts of conservatives is “great man rises up against liberal degeneracy”
Ben Shapiro however wrote one where BLM is tricking black kids into getting themselves shot by police to make the cops look racist, masterminded by a guy who sells crack out of a barbershop and it’s so illuminating on Ben’s worldview that I’m now of the opinion elected officials should be forced to write novels, cause it seems impossible to do without outing oneself.
Also every good guy in Ben’s book is tall, and all the terrorists are short and I just love that little glimpse into his psychology.
Why am I not surprised at all that he would write such garbage
@@imacmill I made a reply to you explaining what I’m getting at, but just giving a synopsis of Ben’s book set off UA-cam comment moderation.
So short version is turner diaries, not funny. Ben Shapiro accidentally rewriting it as a bad action movie stuck in book format, rather funny.
The Turner Diaries? Oh, jeez this is going to be a rough one.
Is media literacy a fucking joke to you?
--- THIS IS FASCIST ENTERTAINMENT . . . with some patches of good narrative writing and incredible sex scenes, and especially the biblical language that concludes the story. Consider the racist premise, "The Turner Diaries" (1978) inverts the Nazi persecution of the Jews into "The Passion of the White Supremacist", the white-boy's burden, as it were; and do not forget that they-the--persecuted "recover control" of THEIR planet Earth from all of us mud people.
I really appreciate you sharing this. It's scary as hell but it explains a lot.
Moms for Liberty wouldn't ban this one.
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I read it out of curiosity back in the 1990s. One of the worst books that I've ever read.
I got bored with it. I think I used it to soak up some grease I spilled on the stove because I didn't have paper towels.
Was it just because of the politics? Alot of people still read this book, it's no Harry Potter, but there is something that resonates with reading audiences that you can't deny
@@RasheedGazziIs media literacy a fucking joke to you?
@@RasheedGazziLmao
Not surprised considering that a certain group was identified as the enemy. You have a great name by the way.
I didn't enjoy hearing all of that book's horrendous propaganda.
But I definitely appreciate the insight to this appalling mindset.
The book is like a long, rambling rant from that crazy Uncle nobody talks about, but keeps showing up at family gatherings and sharing his wit and wisdom.
Is media literacy a fucking joke to you?
The uncle who's own nieces and nephews think he's uncool and a bit odd.
That's all the review I need.📖🚮🤣
Owen, I love how you never let yourself get off topic with every sway of modern day news and stick to these very important topics.
Thanks for reading and summarizing something I would have never read. Good work!
Steve Bannon's favorite book is Camp of the Saints. I believe it's banned on Amazon. Really sick racist stuff.
yeah and he wrote the foreword for the book Unhumans by Jack Posobiec which is basically an instruction manual for mass murder against "the left" (anyone not a nazi)
Scary
OMG **vigorously googles**
Because he's "superior." Lmao
It's quite funny that this book uses the same framing device as The Handmaid's Tale
can you explain more please?
@Anonymous99666 the handmaid's tale also uses the framing device of being a diary written in a dystopian near future, discovered in the far future, after the dystopia has fallen. Needless to say, Atwood and William Luther Pierce have very different ideas about what constitutes a dystopia!
@@laurencewinch-furness9450 is it true that the handmaids tale is about islamic oppression but when the Tv show was made it was changed to christian oppression?
@@Anonymous99666 nope. Atwood realised the common thread of all oppressive regimes is the suppression of women, and that if a dictatorship were to ever come to the US it would be theocratic. There's elements of multiple real-world regimes that inspired Gilead, including the original puritan colonies, revolutionary Iran and Caeusecu's Romania.
Interestingly, Atwood pointed out that the Sons of Jacob movement, which run Gilead in the novel only ever quote the old testament and never mention Jesus. They are more like a biblically inspired new religious movement, distinct from any Christian denomination. The nearest real-world equivalents would probably be the FLDS and Twelve Tribes cult.
@@Anonymous99666no, Gilead in the book is sudo-christian regime just like i. The movies and TV show
thoughtslime did a review of this book which i would recommend. it’s really objectively a bad book, at least from a narrative perspective. not to mention the inspiration for terrorism
The IDEA of an insurgency/revolutionary fantasy fan-fiction (which is basically the gist of this book, minus the explicit racism and fascism), is actually a pretty common thing.
The idea of inciting a race war and committing a holocaust of peoples in the process is a whole different level. I think the author's defence would be "Well, I never said the ending was good. MC dies for glory, and probably noone lives in peace."
But it still glorifies fascism.
You could MAYBE write a book about similar things on an alien planet, or in the far future, or whatever, and if it is implied that MC's life (Turner) was a sad approximation for the fulfillment that normal people get in their lives, and his death means little besides for his own ego. That would probably be the "WH40K version" of the Turner Diaries. 😆 You can write "fascist" stories that still ultimately dunk-on fascists.
The book is akin to Atlas Shrugged in the sense that it was written by a terrible author. But ThoughtSlime. . . that's a hard pass. They're nuts.
@@Nikolai2s Manson thought murdering a pregnant movie celebrity would start a race war.
@@sypherthe297th2 lmao genuinely want to know what did ThoughtSlime ever do?
@mistermoo7602 She's (I genuinely don't recall at this point but I think they go by Mildred. . . Idk) the kind of dishonest leftist who belongs eith the likes of Hakim, BadEmpanada, BadBunny, Noah Samsen, LunaOi, JanitorFlowers, or a host of other grifters and red fascists. Just as a singular example you can google Thoughtslime and sex cult. Wouldn't be the first thing they lied about pver the years but it is the most readily recalled. If someone's first quality isn't integrity then I'm not sticking around for someone like Mildred to pick my pocket.
The book isn't dangerous. It should be mandatory reading. People give books these mythical powers. I own a number of "forbidden" books. As it turns out, its easier to argue against ideas you've actually inmersed yourself in. Touching the Turner Diaries won't make you a race warrior just by touching it any more than Mao's or the mustachioed guy's book will make you like them.
Exactly.
@@sypherthe297th2 it doesn’t turn a normal person into a white nationalist, but it has been known to inspire white nationalists to commit acts of terror. The proof is in the fact that we’ve seen it happen. Terrorists have included excerpts in their manifestos
The real MVP of the comments section 🙌🏽
People think once they've left religion behind they are true free thinkers, but in reality they've just hit level 1.
@Fat_Tony One of the biggest problems with atheists and people on the left (there tends to be significant overlap but its not one to one) is this notion that only someone who is amenable to these ideas would want to expose themselves to them. Its kind of like a self-imposed book ban for one. But it's basically putting yourself at a severe disadvantage as far as I'm concerend. There is a reason that atheists have tended to read the Bible more extensively than most believers. It either is what made them atheist in the first place or they needed more information about what they were pushing back against.
I checked out the mustachioed guys book from my suburban school library in the late 90s out of curiosity having come across it in the stacks. Got a look from the librarian but he was a good bloke. Probably still ended up on a watch list. . . Anyway, it was boring and just a bunch of nonsense. I came away amazed at just how mundane and just common evil could be. It wasn't the necronomicon which would plunge the world back into darkness when opened. He may have driven a nation into madness with oratory but the book definitely wasn't magic. It was an important lesson to learn.
I think Owen is doing a public service exposing his audience to this book and should do so with other extremist literature even if ever so briefly.
I agree. Though with Mao, his literary work isn’t nearly as bad as mein kampf and the turner diaries. You have to remember that before Mao was a authoritarian leader(who was also VERY incompetent on things like the great famine which killed a huge amount of people) he was a very successful on guerilla tactics and he borrowed a lot of his ideas from anarchism and libertarian socialist thought.
you make some very special and insightful videos owen my friend. I am a long time subscriber haha. No one else i know out there covers the tings you do but they are indeed things that people should know and be informed on.
Owen, I am a scholar of 20th century Europe. I've been to Auschwitz. It's sobering. I love your work carrying truth through to a new generation. Thanks.
❤
If you look up Aryan, it was Indo-Iranian people. Nothing at all to do with Northern Europe.
Yeah, but when you take into account how popular pseudoscience was and how mixed-up it was with history and biology between the 19th and 20th century you'll start to see where it's coming from. Freud was mainstream, Nazis were funding expeditions to find the traces of white rulers of Tibet and previously the Europeans were bringing home all those fantastic relics that they dug up and that the coloured locals presumably couldn't have built. It's all the same with white Jesus etc.
"Aryan" was apparently an obsession with Germans who wanted to appropriate the discoveries of linguists of the Indo-European language family for racial purposes. But even 3rd Reich linguists resisted that encroachment, and it was well understood among the Reich's academics that Germany was populated by many ethnicities. So usage of the term "Aryan" declined over the Reich's later years.
@warheadsnation the problem was that the Reich was run by believers in that BS though. Himmler was an occultist and the rest of them to various degrees followed the nonsense at least a bit.
Just like Iran's territory is the Caucasus mountains (as in caucasian).
@@warheadsnation The Rom (Gypsies) are true Aryan BTW Arabs evoloved from Aryans not blacks as most people think
I’ve known about The Turner Diaries since I was 12. I lived in North Idaho, not a few miles from the Aryan Nations compound. It was not sold publicly and although it was technically banned through the library system, there were plenty of copies on the shelves. The local Nazis would slip in copies on the shelves of area libraries and book stores.
I grew up in the birch society I read this book as a kid and loved it. I have thought about rereading it now to just see how indoctrinated I was as a kid.
That sounds terrible. Sorry that happened to you.
Birch society?
@@karenpellerin5841 it is a fare right group was big in the 70s and through the 90s in the Mormon (LDS) community in Utah and Idaho. Im sure it was in other places as well just this is the area I know from mi experience.
@@karenpellerin5841 The John Birch Society was pretty much the fundamental reactionary right-wing organization from the late '50s, on through the Vietnam War. It still persisted afterwards, but in much lower numbers. They mostly campaigned politically and in public opinion campaigns, although some of their members were probably also affiliated with other more violent groups, especially in the 60s.
OP growing up in the late 70s or 80s with Birch would have been a pretty small group. Though I also remember finding a copy of this book at a Texas BSA (Boy Scouts) troop, so... It definitely proliferated.
If you loved this book as a kid, you were very indoctrinated. I felt the same with the Bible. I was a mess when I came out of Christianity at age 48. You were probably smarter than me and got out of your upbringing easier. That book sounds way worse than Christianity. I’m glad you made it out. Your parents must have been very involved. Yikes!
The movie, Leave the World Behind is a watch-worthy take on the ease of how our enemies could easily set us against each other and destroy ourselves. Thanks, Owen.
Thank you for always keeping us informed ❤
8:32 _"... that is the Christian position, is that households should not be divided against one another ..."_
> Matthew 10,34-37: _"Think not that I [Jesus] am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother ... He that loveth father or mother ... son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."_
_There is no hate like Christian love._
For those checking, that’s Matthew 10:34-37 not 1 Corinthians.
@@bajojohn Thanks for the correction!
I’ve read it over and come to the conclusion you are illiterate it was referring to satan and if you weren’t cherry picking you’d realize that litterly everywhere else on that page is ways or how to do good with varying mentions of satan. I know a lot of people have interpreted the Bible but you can’t do it with a bias.
@@ssneeg I did just cite the Bible. You did the interpretation ;-P
@Egooist. well you attempted to interpret that it was Jesus saying that which it wasn’t when given proper context
Thank you, Owen!
I feel like I have a fair grasp of what this book is now. In more detail than I’ve read or heard before. And I am now relieved of having to read this piece myself. Thank you!
Joel Webbon kinda gives off the vibes of commander Fred Waterford in The Handmaid’s Tale. Looks like Fred crossed with Matt Walsh. Like, is that just me? Maybe just cause I’m watching the show rn.
Keep telling people what's out there, I don't think most people understand how this all works.
People want to look the other way while the maniacs do the dirty work they want done.
Some books have been restricted by age for excellent reason, but once information/misinformation is in the Wild, it's nearly impossible to claw it back.
9:30 I also believe in God but I believe evolution took place too. Dude lost me at the whites an blacks are different. People are crazy
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Gonna get this out of the gate right here.
I read that book as a teenager.
I also read “Serpent’s Walk” and “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century”, a book about denying the Holocaust.
As for why, I look to my uncle, who was a fascist and sold those books along with others all over the world.
I’m not proud of what I went through, but it does give me a very good understanding of how these fascists think.
Heh...the background is giving a bit Max Headroom 😂 seems fitting for this topic, though I miss the room with the cat 😅
There is a movie comming out about The Order, who used this book as a playbook for their activities. One of the characters is the author
I thought I had a low view on society.
*_I’m good, just being scared of the Denny’s robot!_*
Brave episode. Never heard of it. It's on Archive in PDF. The quote "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" highlights the subjective nature of political labels and perspectives, particularly in conflict situations. It underscores how actions perceived as terrorism by one group may be seen as a legitimate struggle for freedom or justice by another, depending on cultural, political, or ideological viewpoints. This phrase has been widely discussed and used in various contexts, often to question the ethics of labeling and the complexities of moral judgment in global conflicts.
Exceptional work, man. How about reviewing “The Camp of the Saints”??
"Tell me my life is about to begin, tell me that i am a hero, promise me all of your violent dreams, light up your body in Anger,
NOW, in this ugly world,we are breaking the chains that bound us,
NOW, the crusade has begun, keep us a Land fit for heroes, NOW...
Genesis, The Knife, 1971, a pretty dark song about revolutions and victors
It’s a big hit with our cops
LMAO real
Remember that next time you call them
@ I don’t.
No it isn't, you just have brain damage.
47, the decaying President Elect. has proposed letting the nations police loose to do what they will--for ONE day. Just as he has announced that he will be a dictator--just for one day. I think his rotted brain can't focus on more than a single day--but I may be the victim of leftist propaganda and underestimate That Grotesque Thing too easily. Anyway, that day of uninhibited freedom for cops would need no planning beyond what the Turner Diaries sets out as a plan.
Great analysis! Your channel is always interesting. Keep up the good work.
The guy who wrote that is a coward
Riiiiiight 😂
Thanks for sharing this book. I certainly don’t want to read it but I liked hearing you tell the story. There are so many manipulative tactics in this book!
I tried reading it (got it through interlibrary loan) but couldn't finish it because it made me sick to my stomach with the misogyny and racism.
I read it out of curiosity about 30 yrs ago,terrible even for me-trashed it.
Excellent review, thank you! I was thinking all the way through that I'd love to see you do a comparison to the anarchist cookbook. I haven't read it but my understanding is that it's basically considered to be the dangerous equivalent on the left - some similar info in there even.
Actually the lampshade thing was found to be a lie. They ended up keeping the commandant's wife in prison for the rest of her life. The soap thing was proven a lie as well...had something to do with a misunderstanding/mistranslation with the letters stamped on the soap
Yes it definitely was a hoax . .
You know 👍
References? Anyway - wrong... I've seen photos of these "artifacts" - and well before PhotoShop.
@@johannesswarts1440 I’m assuming that you may have heard of a famous photographer called Cecil Beaton ? . .
Well, he was performing “ “ Photoshopped “ images on 35mm film prints during the 1930s in his Bright Young Thing era . .
Images can be tailored and adapted to the circumstances which they are designed for..
I’m sure you understand . .
@@johannesswarts1440 References, proof and sources ?? . . seriously ???
You are aware that we are no longer to use such liberties any longer on this platform . .
So why ask ? . .
Do you not think it makes you look simple ??
Nope. You're wrong. It was very real.
whenever i hear a persons name said with first, middle, and last names given i assume that person is an assassin.
Thanks for your great work, Owen. I sure appreciate that you're not playing a video game in this one!
Ordered a copy of Was Hitler an Atheist on Dec. 5th, was hoping to get it soon. Nothing yet. Anyone else ordered the book and can tell me how long it takes to get? Looking forward to reading it over the holidays.
A right wing power fantasy. It's telling that even the "protagonist" of these writings, even in this completely fabricated crapsack world, is a pretty evil person with no compassion at all, whose only goal is to sow as much chaos as possible.
2:29 Actually a lot of historians say it was mostly plainclothes Gestapo/SS guys doing most of that and they were planning on escalating it but they ended up stopping because they saw it had potential to turn into something they couldn’t control.
Freaky that a lotta US conservatives are like, one half-step away from believing that the Turner Diaries' beliefs are correct, jfc
@@SamuraIcarus3 They are correct. Conservatives need to catch up quickly
@@araworn2141 why u here?
@@kakumee Nunya bizness
@araworn2141 hay you the one being all angry that there's minoritys in the USA that have pretty close to equal rights. Also if you hate minorities so much and love trump and elon or at least rasisum why are you watching a channel that stands against it? Are my questions triggering you? Your feeling a tiny microscopic feel of what's it's like to be an "other". I didn't plan that, I asked a question. Why are you so mad?
You should do a review of Bill Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse.
Is there any way I can read this without being put on a watch list? I don’t want to read it because I want to hurt anyone, I want to read it because it’s a highly influential work to a huge group of people; and I think having knowledge of it is important.
Sures...
Nope. Owning a copy of this book or having a digital copy is the kind of red flag the government won't ignore, given that Timothy McVeigh is but one example of the many, many domestic terrorists and serial killers inspired by it.
You are now on a watch list.
Read whatever you want forever.
There's digital versions on some fairly bigoted sites, but it's there.
Zlib probably
This book is a great example of the importance of Karl Popper's "Paradox of Tolerance." The resolution of that paradox is self-defense: societies have a right and responsibility to defend themselves from those who would deny basic human rights to others.
It’s pretty crazy that this guys last birthday was 9/11. One of those weird coincidences.
The third worst thing to happen to America on 9/11.
Last birthday?
@@reefhog He was reincarnated a few times, obviously. We also have to account for alternate timelines.
@@nate6045....wtf are you even on about? Clearly they are referring to the fact his last birthday he was alive for was 9/11, the event in 2001. Because he died in July of 2002, and he was born on September 11th, 1933.
@@reefhog His birthday was 9/11/33. He died 7/23/02. So the last birthday he celebrated was 9/11/01.
Wow. I've never been curious enough to read the book and I've never had the plot outlined. I have to say that just what you covered is way beyond what I expected. It makes me really curious about the author. What kind of life did he have that he simultaneously became a physicist and wrote something so insane.
@@UnifiedField77 He had a Reality check as a teacher.
This explains the way MAGAts see the world so well!
Oh knock it off act right you lost get over it
We own America liberal, Beware
exactly...i would bet any amount that this is the one book they didn't ban
@@ssneeg we all lost, you just can't see the forest for the make believe trees. Time will tell..... 😂
Most political extremists see themselves as the anti-heroes of some epic struggle to take down the establishment (they aren’t).
Books shouldn't be banned, they should be discussed and talked about. Like this.
Machetes are the most used weapons in genocides. That's how they do it in Africa. Not organized, but it is genocide.
Great video! Thanks!
Interesting point that they made November 9th the day that gets celebrated, considering that it's 11/9. Like I KNOW it's written way before 9/11, but that's a REALLY weird coincidence.
My old roommate had met the author.
Thank you Owen
The author is in the abc documentary homegrown hate : a war within , stating how the next gen will be indoctrinated via the new thing called the internet back in early to mid 90s ,doc worth the watch
Good stuff. Thanks Owen.
I checked this book out of a library when I was in highschool. I live in the US and Im in my 40s.
Speaking of genocides...there's one happening... like right now
Nope...like there isnt
@@nickp.2169 It depends on the definition of genocide you use.
The upcoming annexation of Palestine will accompany an ethnic cleansing and replacement of Palestinians with colonists, which qualifies as genocide under the current definition.
@@nickp.2169 YES, YES it's happening! Do you believe that it happened in the late 30s -early 40s??
@@nickp.2169 I guess there's no one living in Gaza, huh?
I didn't get the impression Palestinians factored into his singular race theory. Curious who else is whimsically excluded.
I purchased my copy from Waldenbooks and read it in 1997/1998. I was just out of high school so i dont know that it affected me all that much back then. Id like to reread it again now soon though... I certainly didn5 see what apl the fuss was about when i was a teen.
Best part is you would now see how prophetic it is
Now go watch Prayer Of The Roller Boys. A goofy movie from 1990 staring Cory Haim.
It's like combining The Turner Diaries with Starlight Express
I found a copy from a thrift store (also a copy of Mein Kamph but different time/store.) Both books are absolute trash literary-wised.
This comment got me thinking
Should one buy these books only to remove them out of circulation?
Sure someone that that wants to read it will find a way to do so but removing them will stop potential people finding it and potentially turning down the wrong path?
@ it’s a fair question. I bought both books because honestly they were there. I collect books of all kinds and these are, arguably, worth having (for me) as part of my library for both reference and historical purposes. Speaking for myself, just because I read something doesn’t mean I’ll advocate the authors view.
I stand by what I said, however; these books are so poorly written it’s amazing they influenced anybody of any intelligence.
@@Michael-sb8jfit sounds like you’re going down that path trying to restrict literature it sounds very 1940s Germany unless the book contains formulas on how to make bombs or drugs info that can directly harm if we stop the spread of ideas where does that stop and to who’s judgement it’s a slippery slope to say the least
After reading Mein for a paper in college..Had a hard time saying Focus,bad reading. At least MARX made more sense to me. Das Capital.
@@Michaelcj-m2d "Had a hard time saying Focus,bad reading." Your poor reading comprehension doesnt make a book bad. You write like a 2nd grade child. I can only imagine you enjoyed Das Capital because its written for a certain demographic: childlike idiots.
Humanity will not end with the extinction of the species...
It already has...
When we forgot what it even means to be "Human"... 💔
just reading the description of the plot, it feels like a conservatives "1984" for a civil liberal democratic society, and it lacks any tension besides "the Jews and the oppressive government" which have no motivation, just inherently evil, power-hungry bad guys, and it sucks, 1984 was so elegant about describing how the system beats the resistance down by BEING its own counter, by taking in the revolution and cutting it off before it can even start, THOSE are a good representation of power, and how it corrupts, there's some rather introspective conflict there, turner diaries seems to be just a doom-like white-supremacist power-fantasy of some geriatric old white guy, and hunter seems to be him doubling down when he saw how popular it got with terrorists
edit: i do realize i didnt really get my point acrossed fully; even as a white guy, if i just picked this up and didnt care about anyone else, i'd still put the book down by the first chapter because id be bored, it sucks as a book as well as the themes and "lessons"
Yes, the way you describe 1984 is an example of what sociologist Herbert Marcuse called Repressive Desublimation. Instead of totally destroying opposition, powerful governments or others co-opt what is dangerous, tame and normalize it--and, monetize it.
Basically Lord of the flies. A tale of the beast mans capabilities
I can think of a couple very old ones that are more dangerous.
😂😂 maybe a few 😂😂
So, NOT project 2025? When I read the title, I thought it'd be about the anarch cookbook.
I love how Earl Turner is both an Everyman and a multi religious scholar
Thanks Owen for putting your psyche through this awful book. If you listen to the GOP leaders' words now, you'll start hearing bits and pieces of this book in their talking points too
42:08 Just noticed your tat. Nice. Reminds me of my favorite song by Kerli. 🖤
It's not about taking women's right to vote as much as it is about not dividing households? How about remove men's right to vote? Serves the same purpose, right? Or maybe you are just comfortable removing rights from people that are not you.
You forget that in this worldview, a woman is a part of the household like the crockery or furniture. You wouldn’t let your sink vote, would you? That’s how they see women. Part of the decor.
@@emilybarclay8831Obviously you didn't read it. Therefore unqualified to speak on it
@@emilybarclay8831Inaccurate
I read this as a teenager, the only things I really took from it was a relatively clever way the terrorists hide their guns in walls through hollowed doorways on wall studs after they're made illegal. I still remember that part some 35 years or so later, and the exact making of the devices that Tim McVeigh made, which should tell you how effective it is at what it wants to do, teach lone wolf terrorists and criminals how to be more lethal in simple, descriptive language, that is easily absorbed and retaught if one wanted to.
It's horribly written
I’m not surprised. Just because you have ideas and imagination doesn’t mean that you’re intelligent beyond your creative abilities.
So is Mein Kampf, but literary skill is not needed to produce an influential book. Something too well done will not fly with the mass of people who want to be told what they are to think and do.
@@greggi47 Mein Kampf is just whiney.
7:51 Where would find his constitution? Is it in one of his books?
So, joel, according to you, single women should be able to vote. Since your vote is to elevate the family?
Polyams be splitting up their leases/mortgages so they each count as a household and therefore each should vote.
Thanks for the summary. I shall endeavour to read it. It sounds pretty based.
It reminded me of the Protocols of the elders of Zion. Certainly has some very insightful bits to it .
The Protocols are a hoax that were pretty much plagarized from a french political satire, a chapter from a fictional novel, and some pieces taken out of context from an early zionist tract.
Well, one book factually exists while the others is a planted fabrication. The latter is the cradle of the "Great Replacement" conspiracy.
@@troyevitt2437 Fascinating. How do you know one is a "planted fabrication" as you put it?
@@willytodd2750 Because Dr. Pierce actually wrote "The Turner Diaries". "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" can NOT actually be attributed to Jews.
@@troyevitt2437 why not?
Excellent analysis.
the thing about each house hold should not be divided thing why not the women having the right to vote. she littery can created life , no man can do that.
Does creation is the power of god in their view so Doesn't it also mean woman is half god?
The Anarchist 's Cookbook also tells how to build an incendiary device as well as other things.
"Non elected official " 8:13
Elon Musk 🤔
Right?
Scary thinking. Could happen especially now that trumps in office
He is proposing similar policies. Kicking out "immigrants," documented or undocumented and, to "not split up the family," their spouses and children. Meaning he'd be willing to deport citizens regardless of race, for being married to and having children with non-white Hispanic people.
Probably not Trump is likely not going to become a dictator
It is the opposite. The only silver-lining of a 2nd Trump presidency is as a relief valve for these kind of people. They won't feel obligated to do these things.
I believe that if Kamala won 2024, we would have seen another Jan 6. It would have been controlled and put-down, but it definitely would have set these people into "insurgency mode."
I'm not saying it was a good thing and certainly not the right choice, but it is factually untrue that there will be more right-wing, anti-federal violence with Trump. There may, however, be more anti-state right-wing violence and more anti-fed left-wing violence. We will have to see. 😕
This vile author wrote an equally vile follow up book titled "Hunter". Morgan you may want to review it also for your audience
The Lincoln quote was something like "A house divided amongst itself cannot stand"
If so, Lincoln was quoting scripture.
Another reason why D-day did work was because Hitler was not completely convinced that there was going to be an invasion. Also there were many false alarms before so when his general tried to get through to Hitler he couldn't get in touch with him so he couldn't sound the alarm to prepare for what he thought was the real thing. Even though the ships were on the horizon Hitler still didn't give the order to be ready for battle. So when the Allied forces landed on different beaches the Germans were not ready. It's because of the Atlantic wall so many people died on those beaches but if Hitler reacted faster there's a big chance D-day failed.
Tbh Neon@zi propaganda is a goldmine of unintentional comedy
Turner Diaries includes a scene where the protagonist is initiated into the uber secret inner circle of white supremacists who are off course framed as heroic, and how is he made a true believer? Well they give him an unnamed book to read, we are not told by the narrator what the book sais but that after he reads it he is convinced and realises the true nature of the conflict and how they must win
Like basically the author goes "listen there are all these arguments that would totally convince you I am right... but I am not gonna actually tell them to you, trust me bro"
Off course there are other lolcow media like the ttrpg "Racial Holy War" or the posters made by Atomwaffen which deserve a fucking 2016 style cringe compilatiom about them
I dont get how people buy this shit
@@konnosx1213 An excellent and prophetic book
Hopefully you see these comments days later because I just watched this, and I want to thank you for presenting this. I thought of the Wi school shooter and wondered how directly she related to these people. And it is so obvious that this is the path that the US is on right now.
I thought the most dangerous book was the Bible
Yes
That one very much depends on your interpretation. There's no other way to interpret The Turner Diaries
It still is.
I thought it was the quoran.
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There's a movie from 1990 starring Cory Haim called Prayer Of The Roller Boys.
It's a great interpretation.
Blending The Turner Diaries with Starlight Express.
It's hilarious
😂
I read it in college back in 2002. Almost felt I had to explain myself when checking it out from the Librarian.
I read this years ago. It's so poorly written and the story is fucking boring.
That’s cool. Most people don’t need to jump in a sewer to know it stinks, but you do you, man of mastery.