I want to add a few suggestions based on my reading of history: 1- Ahadith mention the city of Dabiq, where the Romans would land. This city is on the border of Anatolia and Syria. The description implies an offensive onslaught on Muslims, which aligns more with the narrative of the Crusades seeking to reclaim holy lands from Muslims rather than targeting other Christian groups like Orthodox Christians or European pagans. Here, the prisoners of war would imply the 'holy land'. Also, Ahadith mentioned that a group that would not be put on trial would conquer the City of Constantinople. Historically, Crusading enthusiasm to reclaim holy land had waned when Constantinople was conquered in 1453, and the Ottoman did not participate in the Crusades, supporting the assumption that this onslaught by Romans refers to the Crusades against Muslims to acquire holy land. 2-The Ahadith mention that the Prophet Jesus would descend near Damascus. On the journey to Damascus, Saint Paul saw the Prophet Jesus in a vision, and most Christians belong to Pauline Christianity. This suggests that the Prophet Jesus represents a nation that follows Pauline Christianity. 3-The Ahadith mention that the Prophet Jesus will kill Dajjal near Lod. Lod is the birth and resting place of Saint George, who represents bravery and fighting against evil in Christian tradition. Saint George's cross is also on flags of many Christian-majority countries, such as England and Australia, and Saint George also re-appeared on the Russian Coat of Arms after Russia denounced Communism in 1991. 4- Mount Sina in Sahih Muslim 7015 is significant because Prophet Moses took an oath from Israelites near this mountain. Similarly, Prophet Jesus going to Mount Sina with companions during the onslaught of Gog and Magog in the Hadith may represent the US striking agreements with other nations regarding the new world order during aggression by the Axis powers, which was elegantly mentioned in metaphors of breaking the cross, abolishing Jizya, and letting Muslims pray behind their Imam, i.e., the end of religious persecution, agreement on nation states where everyone is equal, and letting Muslims rule their own lands, respectively. 5- The Muslim who is killed and resurrected by Dajjal (a metaphor for revolution, i.e. the destruction of the previous State and Government machinery after the revolution and setting it up again in accordance with the new principles), Dajjal is unable to kill this person again. This person likely represents the Afghan nation, which went through the Communist revolution but could not be brought back into Communism even with force.
Jazakallah! In Sahih Muslim 7015, there is a mention of Prophet Jesus and his companions going to Mount Tur to escape Gog and Magog. If we interpret Gog and Magog as colonialism, the timing of this event, particularly after the defeat of Dajjal, seems inconsistent. Additionally, anti-communist wars, such as those in Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan, led to numerous war crimes. How can these actions be justified?
I do not consider those ahadith to be correctly preserved. Either the Holy Prophet (pbuh) did not intend to state events in a chronological manner, or it was bungled up by the narrators. Moreover, there are other ahadith like Ibn e Majah 4079, 4080 etc. that do not mention Jesus (pbuh) or Tur and purport a different unfolding. Anyhow, my principle that I have been mentioning throughout is that the need to fit a model to every single data point has been the road block all along, and should be avoided in favor of a general sense. W.r.t. your point re war crimes, Allah shows such visions from a high level of abstraction and with the purpose of highlighting a dominant and intended theme, unburdened by the need to delve into every nitty-gritty. That is why one should never use such visions to absolve oneself of any violations that are committed in the act. People will be rewarded and punished irrespective of the fact that some grand scheme of God was being fulfilled unawares.
@@aekhan.social Thanks for the response. I agree there's a mismatch in the sequence. Maybe these events happened in parallel, and the narrator did not explain the sequence correctly. Prophet Jesus saved his companions (the Allied powers) from the attack of Gog and Magog (marked by barbaric expansion of Germany). Concurrently, the US provided a formidable force that prevented the Soviets from taking over Europe and Japan in WWII after the Soviets' conquest of Berlin. The conquest of Berlin marked the end of the Gog and Magog invasions (also marked the end of colonialism), but the Cold War continued into the later 20th century.
True. And let's not overlook the significant parallels between Gog and Magog's "drinking all the oceans' water" and Japan's offensives in the Pacific and Indian oceans conquering almost all of the landmasses therein with ferocious speed. Anyhow, wait for the upcoming episode on Gog and Magog. We'll discuss it in detail there.
I want to add a few suggestions based on my reading of history:
1- Ahadith mention the city of Dabiq, where the Romans would land. This city is on the border of Anatolia and Syria. The description implies an offensive onslaught on Muslims, which aligns more with the narrative of the Crusades seeking to reclaim holy lands from Muslims rather than targeting other Christian groups like Orthodox Christians or European pagans. Here, the prisoners of war would imply the 'holy land'. Also, Ahadith mentioned that a group that would not be put on trial would conquer the City of Constantinople. Historically, Crusading enthusiasm to reclaim holy land had waned when Constantinople was conquered in 1453, and the Ottoman did not participate in the Crusades, supporting the assumption that this onslaught by Romans refers to the Crusades against Muslims to acquire holy land.
2-The Ahadith mention that the Prophet Jesus would descend near Damascus. On the journey to Damascus, Saint Paul saw the Prophet Jesus in a vision, and most Christians belong to Pauline Christianity. This suggests that the Prophet Jesus represents a nation that follows Pauline Christianity.
3-The Ahadith mention that the Prophet Jesus will kill Dajjal near Lod. Lod is the birth and resting place of Saint George, who represents bravery and fighting against evil in Christian tradition. Saint George's cross is also on flags of many Christian-majority countries, such as England and Australia, and Saint George also re-appeared on the Russian Coat of Arms after Russia denounced Communism in 1991.
4- Mount Sina in Sahih Muslim 7015 is significant because Prophet Moses took an oath from Israelites near this mountain. Similarly, Prophet Jesus going to Mount Sina with companions during the onslaught of Gog and Magog in the Hadith may represent the US striking agreements with other nations regarding the new world order during aggression by the Axis powers, which was elegantly mentioned in metaphors of breaking the cross, abolishing Jizya, and letting Muslims pray behind their Imam, i.e., the end of religious persecution, agreement on nation states where everyone is equal, and letting Muslims rule their own lands, respectively.
5- The Muslim who is killed and resurrected by Dajjal (a metaphor for revolution, i.e. the destruction of the previous State and Government machinery after the revolution and setting it up again in accordance with the new principles), Dajjal is unable to kill this person again. This person likely represents the Afghan nation, which went through the Communist revolution but could not be brought back into Communism even with force.
Jazakallah! In Sahih Muslim 7015, there is a mention of Prophet Jesus and his companions going to Mount Tur to escape Gog and Magog. If we interpret Gog and Magog as colonialism, the timing of this event, particularly after the defeat of Dajjal, seems inconsistent. Additionally, anti-communist wars, such as those in Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan, led to numerous war crimes. How can these actions be justified?
I do not consider those ahadith to be correctly preserved. Either the Holy Prophet (pbuh) did not intend to state events in a chronological manner, or it was bungled up by the narrators. Moreover, there are other ahadith like Ibn e Majah 4079, 4080 etc. that do not mention Jesus (pbuh) or Tur and purport a different unfolding. Anyhow, my principle that I have been mentioning throughout is that the need to fit a model to every single data point has been the road block all along, and should be avoided in favor of a general sense.
W.r.t. your point re war crimes, Allah shows such visions from a high level of abstraction and with the purpose of highlighting a dominant and intended theme, unburdened by the need to delve into every nitty-gritty. That is why one should never use such visions to absolve oneself of any violations that are committed in the act. People will be rewarded and punished irrespective of the fact that some grand scheme of God was being fulfilled unawares.
@@aekhan.social Thanks for the response. I agree there's a mismatch in the sequence. Maybe these events happened in parallel, and the narrator did not explain the sequence correctly. Prophet Jesus saved his companions (the Allied powers) from the attack of Gog and Magog (marked by barbaric expansion of Germany). Concurrently, the US provided a formidable force that prevented the Soviets from taking over Europe and Japan in WWII after the Soviets' conquest of Berlin. The conquest of Berlin marked the end of the Gog and Magog invasions (also marked the end of colonialism), but the Cold War continued into the later 20th century.
True. And let's not overlook the significant parallels between Gog and Magog's "drinking all the oceans' water" and Japan's offensives in the Pacific and Indian oceans conquering almost all of the landmasses therein with ferocious speed.
Anyhow, wait for the upcoming episode on Gog and Magog. We'll discuss it in detail there.