I'm guessing the reason for that is Lucas added an exterior shot of the landing pad with the shuttle already there. So it would've been like: Vader: Bring my shuttle. Stormtrooper: Way ahead of you sir. Vader: The force is strong with you.
The scene after that drives me nuts. The scene when Vader gets back to his Star Destroyer. It is an unused arrival scene at the Death Star from Return of the Jedi, but just from the side angle camera. Its like, hey George millions of us real fans can see this was from Return of the Jedi.
I dont care about the line change as much as I do the added clips from RotJ added in right after. They break up the pacing of the movie and only add confusion.
I don't know if it was intentional, but I just love how much frustration is on "Bring my shuttle" line. It's like he's so pissed that he made this entire plan to bring his one and only known child to his side, and the kid just jumped. In the new version it's like, "Eh, whatevs".
My top 3 worst: 1. Vader saying "No" 2. The 2011 Kraytt Dragon call 3. The Jabba scene in ANH Heres 3 changes I do like: 1. I like 'Victory Celebration' more than Yub Nub. 2. The additional Slave 1 shot in Empire. 3. The explosion rings.
@@themadladorian4364 when the Star destroyer dumps the garbage and Slave 1 follows the Falcon, there's an extra CGI shot in the Special Edition where we see both ships fly past the camera. I personally like this extra shot because we get to hear the gorgeous Slave 1 engine sound Ben Burtt created for Attack of the Clones.
I agree with almost everything on your list, but I'd put the blinking Ewok eyes instead of the Jabba scene. The Jabba scene I can handle - the blinking Ewoks are just creepy and I hate it.
The “Noooo!” In return of the Jedi I hate so much that’s my all time favorite Star Wars scene with so much emotion and tension and the “No” is just so unnecessary and though a small change impacts the scene so heavily in my opinion
Phantom Sidious it was really impressive how they opened up cloud city with just one added flying scene and putting in some windows, it showed what you could do with clever cgi without interfering with the scene or standing out like a saw thumb. It shows that sometimes the best cgi is the stuff that you don’t really see, it’s just part of the world your watching on screen.
Strange how not only does Empire have the fewest significant changes made to it, but most of the changes that are made (e.g. The Emperor, the changes to Cloud City) actually improve the film
@@christianwise637 that's a testament to how well Irvin kershner directed the movie, he used the money well and invested in the right people to make the sets and visual effects as great as he could, obviously Lucas had a hand in it to
Having the proper emperor in _Empire_ is great, but the changed dialog in that scene is probably my most hated change. I don't like that apparently Vader didn't know it was Luke Skywalker he was after and the weight of the scene between Vader and Luke is severely diminished when it turns out that the emperor was the one who said _"search your feelings, you know it to be true"_ and Vader just copied it like it was a cool one-liner.
I am SO glad you had Vader's "No!" on this list. It's hands down the change I hate most for the exact reasons you describe. What blows my mind is that this was added AFTER all the backlash against the "Noooo!" in Revenge of the Sith. How on earth did it then subsequently occur to George that another "Noooo!" was just the thing to add to one of the most revered moments in the entire saga?
My Top 3 least favorite changes 1. Vader saying "nooooo!" As he throws the Emperor down the Shaft 2. Replacing Lapti Nek with Jedi Rocks 3. That dinosaur thing that blocks the shot My Top 3 favorite changes: 1. Replacing Yub Nub with Victory Celebration 2. Adding Coruscant and other planets at the end of Return of the Jedi 3. Replacing that weird monkey eyed abomination with the true Emperor
I like that they enlarged Jabbas front door. Before it looked like the door was the same size outside and inside. But now you can REALLY see that it is smaller when you get in. This is very important to show that this is NOT the Tardis or other mystical rooms that are larger on the inside. No, Jabbas palace is smaller. The effect with the repeating pattern on the door is also a nice nod to John Knoll, the writer of Rogue one and founder of Adobe Photoshop (where you can make this effect by using the clone stamp a bit sloppy). Great changes that I don't know how I could live without.
For me, the worst change is changing the Ewok celebration music. Thats wrong, you dont change music. I want to hear the same music I remember hearing as a kid. Music goes deeper than any other change, music goes down to our hearts and souls, you dont mess with that.
Are you possibly referring to the Ronto (the big tall reptilian thing) walking across the screen in Mos Eisley? Banthas are the brown furry ones that Tusken Raiders ride.
@@whitechili4168 Yeah thats what he meant, it especially bothers me that when that thing walks across the screen because in the unaltered version, you see this cool looking militaristic looking R2 unit, that is gone in the special edition. Just get Harmy's despecialized edition on ebay. Problem solved
@@davidh7088 as someone who is very used to how the 2006 DVDs looked, as they were how my family watched star wars for the past ten years, despecialised is worth the hassle of digging through the internet for it. Just use something like qbittorrent and download it of the pirate bay. As you own the 06 DVDs, it is legal, far as I'm aware.
@@aaronhackett6626 I own the 1996 vhs trilogy, the 2004 releases of 1-6 on DVD, the 2011 blu ray set, and 7-9 on blu ray. I will have no guilt whatsoever about obtaining the Despecialized Editions 😁
If you watch the movies in chronological order like Lucas himself has recommended, then you'll have already seen Jabba the Hutt in The Phantom Menace, so there was no point in keeping Jabba mysterious and in the dark for A New Hope.
Good point. Most analysis videos assume that you should watch episodes 4 to 6 first like they did, but Lucas clearly reedited all 6 films to be watched 1 to 6. When I rewatched it, I felt it was better starting with 1.
@@jasonleetaiwan Exactly. It's also why Lucas didn't bother keeping the Emperor's face shrouded in darkness in the 2004 DVD of The Empire Strikes Back like in the original theatrical version, because we'd already know what he looks like from watching the Prequel Trilogy.
And that there are still some slightly dodgy original optical effects that could use a simple digital tweak that any of us could do at home by now, it’s so weirdly random.
Good changes: The Extended Wampa scenes The Emperor in Empire Strikes Back The Extra Biggs scene The Explosion Rings for the Death Stars and Alderann The Endor Celebration Song and Epilogue The Bespin Windows “Close the Blast Doors” TD-110 bonking his head Han being tricked into running into the Stormtrooper hanger Bad Changes: The Fucking Ronto The Shooting First debacle. They changed it at least 5 times. WHY. They’re changing it just because. Jabba in A New Hope Jedi Rocks The Krayt Dragon Call
Vader's "NO!" was the last straw for me when it came to the Special Editions. There was a time when I was okay the Special Editions. I just shrugged off some of the other changes and continued watching the films, until this change. Now, even though the Original Trilogy looks amazing in 4k and Dolby Vision on Disney Plus, I have no interest in watching them from beginning to end.
@Nagger You can't really believe that? I think it's great and works beautifully. Too bad it bothers you but for me it's awesome. The original version seems empty without it. Of course I suspect if it had been there in the first place then taken away you'd be screaming for it's return. That's how it works about 99.99% of the time.
@@ariesroc your sadly wrong. Sure some fans might of cried for it's return. But not me I'd of cheered for it's removal. Just like I say go away badly weird faced Emperor in ESB. But keep speaking for everyone else. It's not debatable on a good change vs a bad one. Like more shots of the snow monster that attacks luke fantastic. Vs all the crappy CGI adds which don't improve improve scenes they just make them seem bad very very bad.
@@Aaron_Heininger The only weird faced Sidious is the one from 1980. Having the actual actor inserted is in no way weird. I clearly said 99.99% not everybody. I don't know exactly what you mean by "CGI" adds because I find too many people use the term "CGI" as a catch-all to include everything added even when it isn't CGI. It's like complaining about all the CGI in the PT which is chock full of practical effects. The same people then rejoiced in the "return" of the so-called practical effects in the Disney movies that actually used tons of CGI and categorized sets as now being practical. Even funnier now is the really weird contortions being done with the volume where now they don't even go to actual deserts like Lucas did but it's all done at the studio!
It's not even the change that's the problem, it's the unavailability of the original versions. Lucas could have made countless of versions if he wanted, as long as the originals were available.
@@YusefIsAGod You're absolutely right. Regardless of whatever preferences I have (I think the best possible version of the films for my taste would be a mixture of OG aspects and special edition aspects), the theatrical versions should be as easily accessible as the special editions.
My Most Hated: Vader Shouting NO, during my favorite scene in the saga, Hayden's force ghost ( I just prefer the original ghost, nothing against Hayden ) Greedo scene, such a dumb change that never makes sense. Jabba and the other changes I can live with, and I just watch the despecialized versions anyway.
I agree, Vader shouting NO was laughable ! In my opinion, Hayden should have never been cast as Vader. So, seeing his force ghost was incredibly annoying.
I could handle with most of the changes, but the one that I just CAN'T tolerate is from the ending scene of ROTJ when they put Hayden Christensen's face over Sebastian Shaw's, that's not the Anakin Luke met in his last moments!
@@tyriourv2828 It's confusing. If you are a kid, watching the original trilogy for the first time you will have no clue this guy is, but if you have the old man there you can figure out who it is because he has the same face as Darth Vader.
I agree with all three. Terrible decisions were made on so many levels. I'm thankful, every damn day, that I have digital versions of the pre-altered original trilogy. Laser disc edition. Not sure which release. Disney puts out the unaltered OG trilogy ... with the award winning special effects ... and I'll buy them. Till then, I'd rather spend my money on some Jawa juice and deathsticks.
My personal favrourite change (which a lot of people hate) is Temuera Morrison as Boba Fett. The change I disliked the most is the same as yours, the "Noooo" Vader scene. I loved the silent version of Vader turning on Palpatine.
Yeah that last one hurts, thank goodness for the De-Specialized editions. I remember after the initial Specialized Editions really hating the CG creatures which even then I knew wouldn’t age well at all, I remember hating them changing the Han/Greedo scene. Then Lucas changed them again and added ghost Hayden which I remember thinking “why is he young? When Obi Wan died he didn’t turn into Ewan Mcgregor. He turned good at the end, he was redeemed, that should be the ghost version”. Lucas’s changes had damaged a trilogy I had loved. Then 2011 came and he did it again, he changed Vader’s redemption to have him do a dramatic “Nooooooo”, all to connect it to his first appearance as Vader at the end of Revenge of the Sith (also an over dramatic schlocky scene). He took the most pivotal scene in Return of the Jedi (arguably the whole trilogy) and screwed it up as well. Ugh I hate them, as they are now I hate the Star Wars trilogy. Again thank goodness there are things like the De-Specialized editions and others like it.
•Greedo shooting •Jabba being introduced in Star Wars •all of the very odd added CGI to the original trilogy •Vader saying noooooo •Lapti neck •The Ewok song being changed •Anakin's force ghost •various dialogue changes •Making Yoda CG in later releases of Phantom Menace •Boba's original voice actor being retconned out
Unpopular opinion, but adding windows to cloud city was probably the best change in the Special editions. Cloud city went from a White Death Star to a actual city. It made Landos actions more believable since you get to see the people he governs. And it also increases the stakes when the imperials take the city. All from one minor change.
There was no mystery about who jabba the hutt was though, because at the time it paid off for everyone old enough to make it to ROTJ, whereas everyone else was too young to even care about the mystery or already knew who he was; even if they hadn’t seem the movie.
When I showed my wife Return of the Jedi for the first time, when Jedi Rocks starts, she said, “This is Star Wars? This is for kids or something.” She had no nostalgia for a different version, first time seeing it, she thought it was dumb. She didn’t pay much attention to the rest of the movie.
Another thing that really bothers me about the Jabba scene in ANH is how much of a pushover Jabba is in that scene. Han even gets away with stepping on Jabba's tail
I wonder if changes like Jedi Rocks and Darth Vader’s “NOOOOOO!!!!!” is the reason why the Library of Congress hasn’t selected Return of the Jedi for preservation in the National Film Registry. If George Lucas just allowed both the theatrical cuts and the special editions to coexist together, Return of the Jedi would have been already in the Registry.
I'm with you on no and I'm with you on Jabba however I want to I guess defend for the lack of a better word Hayden Christensen in 6 before I start I want to say I'm not here being like "oh your opinion is wrong and I'm right and listen to me" that's not what I want to do I just want to have a nice conversation and I'll never argue a person's preference for the original is wrong but heres why i like it why its important to me i understand why people who grew up with the original prefer Sebastian Shaw I saw it and it's a wonderful performance he takes like this breath of like "My god Luke that was close but we made it" the reason I prefer Hayden is because I grew up with the prequels the first Star Wars movie I saw in theaters was ep 3 and then the clone wars I grew up with too so I love that era Anakin that Anakin is my hero so with Hayden being in the end of 6 I do get teary eyed cause I get my hero back
Clone Squadron Radio that’s a good reason to like it, and it is very subjective. But for me personally I think that the title of “Return of the Jedi” refers to Vader becoming Anakin again, so his force ghost should reflect the last time he was good, which is when he kills Palpatine
@@Kingpin_2058 or at least when we thought he killed palpatine thanks for being open to this conversation most people attack me for having this opinion may the force be with you
In my opinion the Star Wars Radio Drama handled the Mos Eisley scene the best. The deleted scene is put back in, except the character Han interacts with isn't Jabba, but "Heater," one of the Hutt's lieutenants. Heater's voice has a posh British accent, capable of going from warm and friendly one moment to cold and ruthless the next (mad props to the VA). Not only does the scene make more sense in-universe (Jabba's the head of a galactic crime syndicate, he's not going to bother showing up in person to threaten every two-bit smuggler who fails to pay on time), but it preserves the original mystery of who and what Jabba is.
My Top 5: 1. ALL the additional dialogue additions or changes. The "NOOOOO" from Vader in ROTJ. The "There's nowhere to go" from Threepio in ESB. The "You're lucky you don't taste very good" from Luke in ESB. The "prepare my star destroyer for my arrival" from Vader in ESB. The Krayt Dragon call by Obi Wan in ANH. All of them are unnecessary. 2. Greedo shoots at all. 3. Jabba in ANH. 4. Jedi Rocks replacing Lapti Nek. 5. No more YUB Nub song.
Fun fact "You're lucky you dont taste good" was not in the original theatrical cut It was added in to the VHS version and was later cut out George has been monkeying with the movies longer then people remember
Lapti nek was damn perfect! Sleazy, bluesy space funk that was cut with a similar vibe and tempo as Rick James's "Superfreak" (which was the original temp track from filming). This was what I would imagine a sleazy space gangster slug and his sketchy criminal friends would be listening to, not that goofy "Jedi Rocks" abomination! - breaks my heart.
the "NOOOO" change is the worst for me, because now even when i watch the original versions of the movies, in my head i'm still expecting vader to shout "NOOOOO"
they put windows on cloud city... like, why ? 1: Yub Nub being replaced, that may not be bad but I liked it :/ 2: the sarlacc's changes 3: vador boi saying no
The windows are probably the best change in the Special editions. Cloud city went from a White Death Star to a actual city. It made Landos actions more believable since you get to see the people he governs. And it also increases the stakes when the imperials take the city. All from one minor change.
@@pikminologueraisin2139 You are alone in that opinion. The windows in Cloud City are very much praised. You will never see it in a list of worst special edition changes. The original cloud city was claustrophobic, boring, and way too white. It seemed like a place nobody would like to live in. Would you like to live in a big place that was claustrophobic, boring, and way too white? The windows made Cloud City more realistic.
I’m gonna go top 5 hated changes and a few changes I like Hated 1. Vader Saying no in return of the jedi (I cant cry at Vader’s death anymore because the cringe reminder of the meme takes me out of the moment) 2. Jedi Rocks 3. Jabba the Hutt Showing up 4. Extended Mos Eisley intro 5. Greedo shooting Han (He makes Stormtroopers look like Mandalorians and it doesn’t do any favors for the film) Changes I liked 1. The shoot off Oola in the Ranchor Pit 2. Extra shots of Slave I 3. More windows in Cloud City 4. The Emperor in Empire Strikes back (Though I do miss the original voice) 5. Adding a sound effects relating to the Stormtrooper hitting his head on a door.
I don't mind the Vader yelling no addition to ROTJ. It adds a level of parallelism to his no at the end of ROTS. In ROTS, he felt like he had nothing left and the viewers believe he is completely lost to the dark side. In ROTJ, he knows that he has a son that he needs to protect and he hasn't completely given in to the dark side. I also like to think of it as Vader's response to Palpatine saying that Vader and Luke were his. But I understand why some people dislike it because it isn't exactly necessary.
Jedi Rocks is a classic case where George Lucas "may have went too far in a few places." If they had just added a few new shots of the dancers to the existing song, I think it would have been much better received.
I agree with all of these. I would excise every instance of a character screaming "Nooooooooooooooooo" from these movies. There are better ways to express emotion. The original scene had wonderful tension. Now it becomes laughable/cringy.
My three worst changes: 1. Jabba the Hutt in ANH for the reasons you mentioned. 2. Jedi Rocks for the reasons you mentioned. 3. Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw in ROTJ: This isn't a dig on Hayden at all, but Sebastian Shaw IS older Anakin to me, and not just replacing his one scene that he gets to play the character as a true Jedi without Vader's burns and scars, but also doing it after Shaw passed away just feels like a huge FU to the actor. - Dishonorable Mention: Greedo shooting first, because I really hate it, but it doesn't quite make the top three for me. My three best changes: 1. Ian Mcdiarmid as the Emperor in ESB because continuity, plain and simple. 2. Victory Celebration just feels like a better ending song for the trilogy. It suits the bittersweet victory feeling that the ending scene has. 3. The new effects for the ships and space battles look much better. The new effects look pretty bad on the physical sets, but the new ship and space battle effects (Particularly the Battle of Yavin) look really good. - Honorable Mention: Han charging into a hangar full of stormtroopers, because it makes that scene so damn hilarious, when it used to be akward that the stormtroopers he's chasing just kinda turn around and start chasing Han again.
To be fair, Jabba was never intended to be a mystery. But yeah, George Lucas, on a fundamental level, somehow doesn't really get movies. My top 3, in no particular order... - Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" - Changing Boba Fett's voice. - The many clumsy variations on "Han did not shoot first". Best change: Cloud City interiors.
Vader screaming no at the end of Return of the Jedi. This is the one change that made me interested in looking for the Orginal theatrical cuts of the film.
The only positive thing about Jedi Rocks was the extended Oola scene. I might do a personal edit for myself, using the special edition just to remove Jedi Rocks and add Lapti Nek back in, while preserving the extended Oola scene and also a few other little edits here and there. Might also do the same treat for Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope.
So, the addition of the Jabba scene and the Jedi Rocks scene never bothered me, probably because I grew up more with the Special Edition version of the trilogy (I was born in 1991, so I was just old enough to see the original trilogy unaltered on video before the Special Edition came out). But I 200% agree on the Darth Vader “NOOOOOOOO” in ROTJ. It just spoils the moment so much for me.
By far vader saying no, no, nooooo in rotj is the worst. One of the things i always loved about the scene is how you can tell exactly what’s going through his mind, even though we can’t even see his face. A completely awful and unnecessary change. Also I grew up with Jedi Rocks and even I hate it.
Vader saying no before he picks up the Emperor is so upsetting for me. It’s one of the most powerful scenes in the series and watching Vader wordlessly break free of Palpatine because of how much he loves his son is incredibly epic and beautiful. And then George just…ruins it with the nos. Someone needs to tell him to stop adding things and make him stick to that.
The only ones I like are the "Episode IV" subtitle, Yub Nub to Victory Celebration and the Biggs hangar scene. I would like the scene with Ian McDiarmid in ESB if not for the changes in dialogue.
@1993DJC I actually agree about the Biggs scene, although I like the scene itself, it doesn't do much for the film. I stick to 4K77, 4K83 and Despecialized for a reason lol
Pretty much the same here. I grew up with the 90s VHS releases. Most of these are the only way I ever saw them. The one and only change I HATE, in its entirety, is digitally replacing Sebastian Shaw's face in RotJ's ending with Hayden Christensen's mug. Aside from that, nothing bothers me about Lucas' edits.
There should be a customizable version of the trilogy where you choose which changes to keep. Like removing the changes mentioned in this video (among lot of others) but keeping some changes like cloud city, the rebel ships before attacking the Death Star, Ian McDiarmid on ESB, Hoth etc... Would be great if at least some magician like Harmi And all those folks who made restoration versions could pull a version that kept the good changesx
It's definitely feasible. I have a documentary on DVD called What The Bleep Do We Know. It touches on that, it has interchangeable chapters. Basically interactive.
Of course there’s the ones that massively change things, but the one that really grinds my gears is “You’re lucky you don’t taste very good!” to “You were lucky to get out of there!” Like, why??? What was the point? Same for the stupid rock in front of Artoo during the sandpeople encounter.
My personal least favorite change came from Episode V, where Luke screamed when sacrificing himself. For me, the proof is the fact that is was removed later on, which makes it the only change to my knowledge to be removed entirely. Even George Lucas (or however, thought of it, maybe Lucas is just the scapegoat for this change.) thought it was a lousy change. He had no objections towards Greedo saying an odd phrase that means something like, "This will be the death of you" or stupid things like that. Still, that change was bad enough to be removed entirely.
My top 3 most hated: 1. Vader's "Noooo!". I totally agree with you. It's my favourite scene in the whole franchise and that derpy scream feels so out of place (the same way Luke screaming like the Emperor in TESB felt in the 1997 version). 2. Greedo shooting. This freaking scene has been modified in every single bloody revision of the goddamn movie. 3. Krayt Dragon's new scream. I mean, why? The 2011 version sounds so over-the-top and overproduced. In The Mandalorian the original scream (or a very similar to that one) was used and it worked perfectly.
3 worst for me: -Vader yelling no -CG Jabba -Jedi Rocks 3 I like -Victory Celebration -Explosion Rings -The planets celebrating at the end of Jedi Star Wars is legit the only franchise where you could want “custom” editions where you keep some changes and discard others.
George can change lines for Luke's scene with Artoo in Empire but wastes time replacing an actor in a deleted scene in A New Hope to end a fun side-mystery with Jabba when he could just do the same and make a human actor an original new small character for the Star Wars Universe. It still disappoints me to this day.
To add insult to injury, my country's distributor didn't track the voice over actors of the first edition when dubbing the special edition. Not only was the Han/Jabba scene a bit weird in itself, now imagine Han changing voice just for that moment.
aside from the added Jabba scene, Han and Greedo shooting at the same time alone, kept me from wanting to own ANH. the cantina concert in ROTJ was that much more tolerable? but it sure as hell didn't keep me from wanting to own it. call me crazy. it's no wonder TESB, is still the best film in the OT. even with the changes george made. it's amazing
I agree with scene 2 and 3, but for some reason, I hate the final version of the ending celebration in ROTJ where we go to Naboo and hear Jar Jar Binks say "Wesa free!". That was the ultimate troll job by Lucas for people hating on that character. I don't think Naboo even needed to be in the ROTJ final celebration. 3 locations including Coruscant seemed enough. Luke screaming when he fell in ESB was also not a good change in 1997. Thankfully they took it out later.
My thoughts: Jabba: I saw no mystery the first time around. Of course, I was pretty young when I saw A New Hope, and didn't get to see Empire until *after* Return of the Jedi for some reason. I never gave Jabba a first thought until I actually saw Return. Jedi Rocks: To be honest, this scene was one that I kinda *wanted* them to use the new tech to enhance when I first heard about it. Problem is, "Lapti Nek" is a VASTLY superior song. I agree with you that Jedi Rocks just doesn't feel right. So in the end I was very disappointed in the final execution. Big NO. Yeah okay, I'm gonna have to agree with you there. I just didn't like the execution.
Yup. One that didn't make it to home is the added scream of Luke as he fell from the spire on Bespin to his heroic death. I was in the thater for the Special Edition of Empire and was thinking, who the hell is screaming, then realizing that it was coming from the speakers.
Lol shit I didn't notice that part. I was actually thinking empire had the best changes but sadly that film actually got good adds compared to the other films. Despite the screaming Luke as he falls.
@@Aaron_Heininger All the video releases don't have the scream, so it's not a Mandela thing. :) TESB did have the best additional VFX. Loved Bespin, didn't like the Emperor, but I get it, didn't care for the Wampa. Liked when it was much more mysterious. And OMG the biggest crime was slowing down the pacing of the final chase after rescuing Luke with that stupid ass scene with the shuttle landing on the Executor, lowering the ramp, and having Vader walking out.
Special editions have never bothered me, i have seen the orginal too and personally i like speial edition more. As for the orginal jabba scene, Solo refers that the guy in there as Jabba, yeat in return to the jedi he was hutt. Since they never explain how that human turn in to hutt it was just easier to chance him to hutt in that scene too. I don't have source but i remember hearing that originally jabba (The hutt not human) was meant to be in that scene but they could not/ get hes body to work in time so they left him out.
It seems to me that more changes are made every time the series is moved to a new platform. VHS, DVD, blu-ray and streaming all have their own alterations. Where else could it go from there?
I agree. I have always hated the Change in the Blu-ray when Vader speaks "No". I liked that his inner turmoil is seen despite no words. Plus his actions do the talking rather than speaking.
The arrival at Los Isle in The New Hope. In the original, there was the build up of tension followed by the comic relief of the cantina characters (a commonly used setup in movies) But the remake ruined it. It was as if George Lucas never understood or was even aware of it.
My 3 least favorite changes are 1. Jabba in ANH 2. Greedo (kind of cheating by bundling him shooting and saying maclunky but oh well) 3. Jedi rock My 2 favorite changes are (can’t think of a third) 1. Victory celebration replacing yub nub/extra scenes of the Galaxy celebrating 2. Luke and Biggs reuniting before the attack on the Death Star
There are a couple of things I hated about the OT Trilogy 1.)ANH-Han's weird neck jerk (when he shoots greedo) 2.)Vader's NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in ROTJ (i'm glad I got the 2004 version but it still won't make any difference) 3.)ANH That stupid space broto that blocks the landspeeder (Ohh that really grinds my gears)
Regarding the Luke/Vader fight of ROTJ, If Lucas had stayed in charge, and keeping in line with the new Vader comics, I'm most certain subsequent Lucas cuts would have included the voices or images of Padme when Vader sees how the emperor torturing Luke, maybe even a vision of Padme giving birth. OMG, I hope this comment gets cursed.
Thank you for keeping the true originals alive in this way and informing the young and newer fans why doing so is important. You've let them know that the versions they more than likely watched as their introduction into SW were the revisionist versions. And not the real thing. However, your list needed to be much longer because there are so many more horrible changes that were made. The most abhorrent being replacing Sebastian Shaw's force ghost with Hayden Christensen's. Here's why that swap is a logic break and the worst change on multiple fronts: - Everyone who starts their SW journey by watching Ep.4 (which seems to be the large majority over those who start with Ep.1) has no idea who he is upon his appearance and immediately gets confused. I've seen many reaction videos where people literally say, " Wait, who was that next to Ben and Yoda? ". And if they do figure it out it takes them a bit. The swap still being jarring either way which should in no way be the effect on the audience from the 2nd to very last scene in the film closing the chapter on a trilogy that took decades to set up. - Luke's character probably wouldn't have recognized him. And at the very least would've reacted much differently than just the immediate knowing smile he gave. - The last time Anakin was redeemed and himself was when Luke took his mask off in ROTJ so *that's* the person we should've seen as a force ghost. - It was completely disrespectful of Lucas to cut Sebastian Shaw's final performance in his last theatrical film appearance before he died. - Shaw's heartfelt, memorable performance of giving us a warm, loving fatherly smile as he looked upon his son one last time was replaced with Hayden's detached, blank, creepy stalker leer. I believe Hayden said that sequence was actually shot during a costume fitting. And Lucas had no intention of using the footage as it ended up. And had he (Hayden) known where it would eventually appear he would've given a much different and better performance. This is tragic on many levels. The fans got the DCFU to release the Snider Cut. Let that be an inspiration to get the same of the original theatrical OT from Lucasfilm. #ReleaseTheRealOT
I can see where you're coming from on these points, and a couple of them I agree with, but as a whole I do not. I think that at the very least, on paper, it makes sense for Anakin Skywalker to be there as a young man. He was only around for a moment as an old man and if he sees himself as Anakin Skywalker again in that moment then it makes sense he would manifest himself as the young Anakin Skywalker in his ghost form. I think Luke would be able to tell who he was given the context without issue. What I do agree with is that it creates some confusion for the viewers. I think the idea works, it was just handled in a flawed way.
@@godofthecripples1237 Thanks for the response. Usually, any pushback I get on this is nothing but angry, aggressively dumb, and hopelessly clueless. But at least you were able to say why you disagreed in a better way. However, what type of force ghost characters become in the SW universe has no relation to how they "see themselves". Self-perception simply doesn't play any role in it whatsoever. Anakin died as an older man. And was redeemed as an older man. So THAT'S who Luke and we should've seen when he became a force ghost. The overwhelming number of people I find defending younger Anakin as an FG are those who grew up with the revisionist versions of the OT who never saw these films are they originally were for decades. A trilogy that began in 1977 and remained intact for 20 years - only being altered in 1997 to create the "special (revisionist) editions". These people simply don't have any frame of reference due to never seeing true/real originals. Although most of the changes in ESB are widely accepted as the best from alterations of the OT films, no one else seems to prefer the Anakin FG swap or most of the other changes to the OT in any significant numbers. In fact, it's the exact opposite with most of the pre-97 SW audience not liking the majority of the changes. So I really can't articulate any further why changing Sebastian Shaw's FG to Hayden Christiansen was so egregious and on multiple fronts more than what I already explained in this and my previous comment. If you still don't see why swapping Sebastian out for a younger actor is a problem, there's nothing else I can say that will change your mind. However, one thing you may agree on hopefully is how it's not right for Lucas (and now Disney) to not make the true original trilogy widely available to the public. By eliminating that choice, it forces people who want to see the OT to only be able to consume the revisionist versions - which completely dismisses and disregards how millions of people knew the OT for decades. This is entirely unacceptable. At the very least, they should make both versions of the OT available so people can decide for themselves which they'd prefer. This would allow everyone to have what they wanted regardless of which version of the OT they'd choose. Individual fans have taken the matter into their own hands and created no less than 3 HD unaltered OT trilogy editions (Despecialized, Silver Screen Edition, Project 4K77). So a large multi-billion dollar company like Disney doing the same would be more than achievable. Either way, there's simply no excuse for why they should eliminate choice and keep the unaltered versions from the public any longer. And there was really no justification for it in the first place.
@@boomieboo I do agree that Star Wars fans are usually assholes, and I also agree that the true original versions of the films should be readily available somewhere. However, you said that self-perception has nothing to do with how someone manifests as a ghost. This has never been stated. George Lucas himself has said that he felt Anakin should appear young since that's when Anakin originally died. This would imply that self-perception does have something to do with it. And even if it doesn't, it's some sort of weird Cosmic third party perception, the point holds true nonetheless. He was arguably Anakin for about 3 minutes upon his death. His ghost displaying as the young Anakin Skywalker in his prime as a Jedi is a good way to show this. The problem is just that watching the originals without watching the prequels doesn't convey this, because you wouldn't know who that young man is. This could easily be fixed by handling the scene slightly differently, throwing in some dialogue from Obi-Wan, but we don't get that. I would say that's the issue.
Star Wars (1997) and Return of the Jedi (1983) had editors, writers and even a movie director (Richard Marquand). 1997 Special Edition, 2004 DVD, 2001 Blu Ray and so on had too much technology, too much ambition, too little soul.
I was surprised that the Greedo shooting thing wasn't in this, but in terms of 'most hated', I actually think I agree with you here. Star Wars is already quite outlandish and silly at times, which can put people off, and I think these changes compound that a ton, aside from being completely unnecessary and impeding the flow/atmosphere of the film. My next least favourite changes, if I remember correctly, are the 'Yub-nub' song being replaced (nostalgic, humble and heart-warming ending) and the Greedo thing I mentioned before (for reasons already explored in loads of detail). Thanks for interesting video!
Hey! We have the same worst three changes! Except Vader's "no!" Was way worse than added Jabba in my opinion... Jabba ruined a mystery, and is redundant... But Vader took an amazing scene and told the cinematography that they didn't do their job right, and it just talks down to the audience. Like, "now, boys and girls, what's Darth Vader going to do?!" I always tell this story, but i remember telling my mom after watching ROTJ for the 2nd or 3rd time, "i cant believe that they were able to convey so much emotion with a mask that doesn't even move"
That "No" was a big middle finger to a lot of people. It was THE culmination of everything in the saga. a place where you could forget about all the goofy changes made before it and just take in the raw emotion of it all. It should have been untouchable.
A change that I don’t see a lot of people talk about is Vader’s line “Bring my shuttle” changed to “Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival”
In the German version that's a huge problem because they had a completely different voice for that changed line when they dubbed it.
I'm guessing the reason for that is Lucas added an exterior shot of the landing pad with the shuttle already there. So it would've been like:
Vader: Bring my shuttle.
Stormtrooper: Way ahead of you sir.
Vader: The force is strong with you.
The scene after that drives me nuts. The scene when Vader gets back to his Star Destroyer. It is an unused arrival scene at the Death Star from Return of the Jedi, but just from the side angle camera. Its like, hey George millions of us real fans can see this was from Return of the Jedi.
I dont care about the line change as much as I do the added clips from RotJ added in right after. They break up the pacing of the movie and only add confusion.
I don't know if it was intentional, but I just love how much frustration is on "Bring my shuttle" line. It's like he's so pissed that he made this entire plan to bring his one and only known child to his side, and the kid just jumped. In the new version it's like, "Eh, whatevs".
My top 3 worst:
1. Vader saying "No"
2. The 2011 Kraytt Dragon call
3. The Jabba scene in ANH
Heres 3 changes I do like:
1. I like 'Victory Celebration' more than Yub Nub.
2. The additional Slave 1 shot in Empire.
3. The explosion rings.
Which shot of Slave 1 is the new one ?
@@themadladorian4364 when the Star destroyer dumps the garbage and Slave 1 follows the Falcon, there's an extra CGI shot in the Special Edition where we see both ships fly past the camera. I personally like this extra shot because we get to hear the gorgeous Slave 1 engine sound Ben Burtt created for Attack of the Clones.
my top good change is swapping out Emperor Chimp Eyes for Ian McDiarmid in Empire.
I agree with almost everything on your list, but I'd put the blinking Ewok eyes instead of the Jabba scene. The Jabba scene I can handle - the blinking Ewoks are just creepy and I hate it.
@Nagger amen to that, its easier to follow those parts of the movie.
The “Noooo!” In return of the Jedi I hate so much that’s my all time favorite Star Wars scene with so much emotion and tension and the “No” is just so unnecessary and though a small change impacts the scene so heavily in my opinion
Changes I like: The Emperor in empire, improvements to the battles of Yavin and Hoth, cloud city in general
Phantom Sidious it was really impressive how they opened up cloud city with just one added flying scene and putting in some windows, it showed what you could do with clever cgi without interfering with the scene or standing out like a saw thumb. It shows that sometimes the best cgi is the stuff that you don’t really see, it’s just part of the world your watching on screen.
Strange how not only does Empire have the fewest significant changes made to it, but most of the changes that are made (e.g. The Emperor, the changes to Cloud City) actually improve the film
Totally agree with you, some changes I actually get behind!
@@christianwise637 that's a testament to how well Irvin kershner directed the movie, he used the money well and invested in the right people to make the sets and visual effects as great as he could, obviously Lucas had a hand in it to
Having the proper emperor in _Empire_ is great, but the changed dialog in that scene is probably my most hated change. I don't like that apparently Vader didn't know it was Luke Skywalker he was after and the weight of the scene between Vader and Luke is severely diminished when it turns out that the emperor was the one who said _"search your feelings, you know it to be true"_ and Vader just copied it like it was a cool one-liner.
I am SO glad you had Vader's "No!" on this list. It's hands down the change I hate most for the exact reasons you describe. What blows my mind is that this was added AFTER all the backlash against the "Noooo!" in Revenge of the Sith. How on earth did it then subsequently occur to George that another "Noooo!" was just the thing to add to one of the most revered moments in the entire saga?
To show contempt for his audience.
"These are my movies kiss my ass"
George Lucas - 2017
They need a new version with Vader “no” gone
Diego Bobadilla 2017?? He sold the franchise in 2012.
@@FriendZone75 he said the phrase in 2017, it has literally nothing to do with dysney
My Top 3 least favorite changes
1. Vader saying "nooooo!" As he throws the Emperor down the Shaft
2. Replacing Lapti Nek with Jedi Rocks
3. That dinosaur thing that blocks the shot
My Top 3 favorite changes:
1. Replacing Yub Nub with Victory Celebration
2. Adding Coruscant and other planets at the end of Return of the Jedi
3. Replacing that weird monkey eyed abomination with the true Emperor
@1993DJC agreed, the dialogue was kind of wonkey, but i whould take Ian over that monkey thing any day, and yeah Adywan did it best
@1993DJC At least it's closer than that "ape creature" I honestly don't know how they didn't change it sooner.
I like that they enlarged Jabbas front door. Before it looked like the door was the same size outside and inside. But now you can REALLY see that it is smaller when you get in. This is very important to show that this is NOT the Tardis or other mystical rooms that are larger on the inside. No, Jabbas palace is smaller. The effect with the repeating pattern on the door is also a nice nod to John Knoll, the writer of Rogue one and founder of Adobe Photoshop (where you can make this effect by using the clone stamp a bit sloppy). Great changes that I don't know how I could live without.
LOL this comment is gold. Haha. I don’t know how it doesn’t have more likes.
For me:
1. Greedo shooting first
2. Bantha walking across the screen
3. The CGI concert in Return of the Jedi
For me, the worst change is changing the Ewok celebration music. Thats wrong, you dont change music. I want to hear the same music I remember hearing as a kid. Music goes deeper than any other change, music goes down to our hearts and souls, you dont mess with that.
Are you possibly referring to the Ronto (the big tall reptilian thing) walking across the screen in Mos Eisley? Banthas are the brown furry ones that Tusken Raiders ride.
@@whitechili4168 Yeah thats what he meant, it especially bothers me that when that thing walks across the screen because in the unaltered version, you see this cool looking militaristic looking R2 unit, that is gone in the special edition. Just get Harmy's despecialized edition on ebay. Problem solved
Vader's "No!!!" is the reason I'll NEVER let go of my 2006 DVDs
Same here, though they now look pretty poor on a 4k tv. I'm going to try the Despecialized Editions soon. I hope they're all they should be.
@@davidh7088 as someone who is very used to how the 2006 DVDs looked, as they were how my family watched star wars for the past ten years, despecialised is worth the hassle of digging through the internet for it. Just use something like qbittorrent and download it of the pirate bay. As you own the 06 DVDs, it is legal, far as I'm aware.
@@aaronhackett6626 I own the 1996 vhs trilogy, the 2004 releases of 1-6 on DVD, the 2011 blu ray set, and 7-9 on blu ray. I will have no guilt whatsoever about obtaining the Despecialized Editions 😁
If you watch the movies in chronological order like Lucas himself has recommended, then you'll have already seen Jabba the Hutt in The Phantom Menace, so there was no point in keeping Jabba mysterious and in the dark for A New Hope.
Good point. Most analysis videos assume that you should watch episodes 4 to 6 first like they did, but Lucas clearly reedited all 6 films to be watched 1 to 6.
When I rewatched it, I felt it was better starting with 1.
@@jasonleetaiwan Exactly. It's also why Lucas didn't bother keeping the Emperor's face shrouded in darkness in the 2004 DVD of The Empire Strikes Back like in the original theatrical version, because we'd already know what he looks like from watching the Prequel Trilogy.
The thing that confuses me the most is they changed all of this instead of adding more aliens to the rebel alliance.
And that there are still some slightly dodgy original optical effects that could use a simple digital tweak that any of us could do at home by now, it’s so weirdly random.
Good changes:
The Extended Wampa scenes
The Emperor in Empire Strikes Back
The Extra Biggs scene
The Explosion Rings for the Death Stars and Alderann
The Endor Celebration Song and Epilogue
The Bespin Windows
“Close the Blast Doors”
TD-110 bonking his head
Han being tricked into running into the Stormtrooper hanger
Bad Changes:
The Fucking Ronto
The Shooting First debacle. They changed it at least 5 times. WHY. They’re changing it just because.
Jabba in A New Hope
Jedi Rocks
The Krayt Dragon Call
Great list. I agree.
Haven’t been active in the live streams lately, but I appreciate all the awesome content you’ve been putting out these days HG 👍🏻
Vader's "NO!" was the last straw for me when it came to the Special Editions. There was a time when I was okay the Special Editions. I just shrugged off some of the other changes and continued watching the films, until this change. Now, even though the Original Trilogy looks amazing in 4k and Dolby Vision on Disney Plus, I have no interest in watching them from beginning to end.
"No!" Was a Blu-ray change, not a Special Edition change.
@Nagger You can't really believe that? I think it's great and works beautifully. Too bad it bothers you but for me it's awesome. The original version seems empty without it. Of course I suspect if it had been there in the first place then taken away you'd be screaming for it's return. That's how it works about 99.99% of the time.
@@ariesroc your sadly wrong. Sure some fans might of cried for it's return. But not me I'd of cheered for it's removal. Just like I say go away badly weird faced Emperor in ESB. But keep speaking for everyone else. It's not debatable on a good change vs a bad one. Like more shots of the snow monster that attacks luke fantastic. Vs all the crappy CGI adds which don't improve improve scenes they just make them seem bad very very bad.
@@Aaron_Heininger The only weird faced Sidious is the one from 1980. Having the actual actor inserted is in no way weird. I clearly said 99.99% not everybody. I don't know exactly what you mean by "CGI" adds because I find too many people use the term "CGI" as a catch-all to include everything added even when it isn't CGI. It's like complaining about all the CGI in the PT which is chock full of practical effects. The same people then rejoiced in the "return" of the so-called practical effects in the Disney movies that actually used tons of CGI and categorized sets as now being practical. Even funnier now is the really weird contortions being done with the volume where now they don't even go to actual deserts like Lucas did but it's all done at the studio!
When I was young I liked Jedi rocked. Lol I can see why others don’t like it the older I’ve gotten.
I love it, mainly because of how often it played in the original Battlefront 2's hero assault mode on Mos Eisley
It's not even the change that's the problem, it's the unavailability of the original versions. Lucas could have made countless of versions if he wanted, as long as the originals were available.
@@YusefIsAGod You're absolutely right. Regardless of whatever preferences I have (I think the best possible version of the films for my taste would be a mixture of OG aspects and special edition aspects), the theatrical versions should be as easily accessible as the special editions.
@@mycubiclepenguin868 Now that is iconic
"WHY DIDN'T DISNEY ACCEPT GEORGE LUCAS' NOTES FOR THE SEQUEL TRILOGY?"
This. This is why.
Except sequel trilogy turned out way worse than the worst change Lucas made to OT.
Commander Shepard it really didn’t haha
And look what happened.... Disney gave us a load of dog shit wrapped up in a watered-down generic ripoff of the OT and the EU
@@joshhunt4146 yes it did, quit kidding yourself... The sequel Trilogy from Disney was just a Watered down generic version of Lucas's
@@joshhunt4146 it really did haha
I hated how they changed Rey's parentage.
They really didn't though.
@@lukerope1906 Then what was the purpose of Rey's vision in the Ahch-To cave in TLJ ?
Carbonite Hunter that her heritage didn't matter to who she was and what she could be? Which ended up being true cause Rey chose her own family.
@@CheeseRunner It did matter. She almost killed Chewbacca because of her heritage.
Carbonite Hunter to be fair that was an accident
My Most Hated: Vader Shouting NO, during my favorite scene in the saga, Hayden's force ghost ( I just prefer the original ghost, nothing against Hayden ) Greedo scene, such a dumb change that never makes sense. Jabba and the other changes I can live with, and I just watch the despecialized versions anyway.
I agree, Vader shouting NO was laughable ! In my opinion, Hayden should have never been cast as Vader. So, seeing his force ghost was incredibly annoying.
I have only one thing to say to you...
"Macklunky!"
@@ZiplineShazam Hayden IS Anakin. Cry about it.
@@dhirentevatia . . . .MMMMMMMediocrity
@@ZiplineShazam If anything is mediocre it's the sequels.
I could handle with most of the changes, but the one that I just CAN'T tolerate is from the ending scene of ROTJ when they put Hayden Christensen's face over Sebastian Shaw's, that's not the Anakin Luke met in his last moments!
So?
@@tyriourv2828 It's confusing. If you are a kid, watching the original trilogy for the first time you will have no clue this guy is, but if you have the old man there you can figure out who it is because he has the same face as Darth Vader.
@@aaronhackett6626 but I like it better as Hayden
Hayden should never have been cast as Anakin.
I agree with all three. Terrible decisions were made on so many levels. I'm thankful, every damn day, that I have digital versions of the pre-altered original trilogy. Laser disc edition. Not sure which release.
Disney puts out the unaltered OG trilogy ... with the award winning special effects ... and I'll buy them. Till then, I'd rather spend my money on some Jawa juice and deathsticks.
🎬🎬The MOST Hated StarsWars change:
Original TLJ Director being changed for the disaster we know now "Ruin Johnson"
@@internet2055
Nah, it’s the Jedi Rocks music video for me.
My personal favrourite change (which a lot of people hate) is Temuera Morrison as Boba Fett.
The change I disliked the most is the same as yours, the "Noooo" Vader scene. I loved the silent version of Vader turning on Palpatine.
Its bad enough when Sam Witwer himself personally dislikes this change!
I prefer the original voice of Boba Fett. It sounds more sinister and close enough to Jango Fett.
Lapti nek to Jedi Rock went from
Bad to god awful
BuildUp Lapti Nek works great, it’s like a space disco and feels alien. Jedi Rocks is literal garbage though no doubt.
Yeah that last one hurts, thank goodness for the De-Specialized editions. I remember after the initial Specialized Editions really hating the CG creatures which even then I knew wouldn’t age well at all, I remember hating them changing the Han/Greedo scene. Then Lucas changed them again and added ghost Hayden which I remember thinking “why is he young? When Obi Wan died he didn’t turn into Ewan Mcgregor. He turned good at the end, he was redeemed, that should be the ghost version”.
Lucas’s changes had damaged a trilogy I had loved. Then 2011 came and he did it again, he changed Vader’s redemption to have him do a dramatic “Nooooooo”, all to connect it to his first appearance as Vader at the end of Revenge of the Sith (also an over dramatic schlocky scene). He took the most pivotal scene in Return of the Jedi (arguably the whole trilogy) and screwed it up as well.
Ugh I hate them, as they are now I hate the Star Wars trilogy. Again thank goodness there are things like the De-Specialized editions and others like it.
The force ghost change was better
•Greedo shooting
•Jabba being introduced in Star Wars
•all of the very odd added CGI to the original trilogy
•Vader saying noooooo
•Lapti neck
•The Ewok song being changed
•Anakin's force ghost
•various dialogue changes
•Making Yoda CG in later releases of Phantom Menace
•Boba's original voice actor being retconned out
Unpopular opinion, but adding windows to cloud city was probably the best change in the Special editions. Cloud city went from a White Death Star to a actual city. It made Landos actions more believable since you get to see the people he governs. And it also increases the stakes when the imperials take the city. All from one minor change.
There was no mystery about who jabba the hutt was though, because at the time it paid off for everyone old enough to make it to ROTJ, whereas everyone else was too young to even care about the mystery or already knew who he was; even if they hadn’t seem the movie.
When I showed my wife Return of the Jedi for the first time, when Jedi Rocks starts, she said, “This is Star Wars? This is for kids or something.” She had no nostalgia for a different version, first time seeing it, she thought it was dumb. She didn’t pay much attention to the rest of the movie.
Another thing that really bothers me about the Jabba scene in ANH is how much of a pushover Jabba is in that scene. Han even gets away with stepping on Jabba's tail
Jabba is so much easier to talk to in ANH. Maybe he got grumpy in episode 6.
It's not just Jedi Rocks. All of the musical changes in Return Of The Jedi are over produced weapon grade cringe.
I wonder if changes like Jedi Rocks and Darth Vader’s “NOOOOOO!!!!!” is the reason why the Library of Congress hasn’t selected Return of the Jedi for preservation in the National Film Registry. If George Lucas just allowed both the theatrical cuts and the special editions to coexist together, Return of the Jedi would have been already in the Registry.
I didn’t even know “noooo!” Was an edit😂
1. Greedo shot first (Maclunkey makes it worse)
2. Vader saying “No!”
3. Jabba in the Hangar
1). Vader’s “No”
2) Hayden Christiansen in episode 6
3) Jabba in ep4
I'm with you on no and I'm with you on Jabba however I want to I guess defend for the lack of a better word Hayden Christensen in 6 before I start I want to say I'm not here being like "oh your opinion is wrong and I'm right and listen to me" that's not what I want to do I just want to have a nice conversation and I'll never argue a person's preference for the original is wrong but heres why i like it why its important to me i understand why people who grew up with the original prefer Sebastian Shaw I saw it and it's a wonderful performance he takes like this breath of like "My god Luke that was close but we made it" the reason I prefer Hayden is because I grew up with the prequels the first Star Wars movie I saw in theaters was ep 3 and then the clone wars I grew up with too so I love that era Anakin that Anakin is my hero so with Hayden being in the end of 6 I do get teary eyed cause I get my hero back
Clone Squadron Radio that’s a good reason to like it, and it is very subjective. But for me personally I think that the title of “Return of the Jedi” refers to Vader becoming Anakin again, so his force ghost should reflect the last time he was good, which is when he kills Palpatine
@@Kingpin_2058 or at least when we thought he killed palpatine thanks for being open to this conversation most people attack me for having this opinion may the force be with you
In my opinion the Star Wars Radio Drama handled the Mos Eisley scene the best. The deleted scene is put back in, except the character Han interacts with isn't Jabba, but "Heater," one of the Hutt's lieutenants. Heater's voice has a posh British accent, capable of going from warm and friendly one moment to cold and ruthless the next (mad props to the VA). Not only does the scene make more sense in-universe (Jabba's the head of a galactic crime syndicate, he's not going to bother showing up in person to threaten every two-bit smuggler who fails to pay on time), but it preserves the original mystery of who and what Jabba is.
My Top 5:
1. ALL the additional dialogue additions or changes. The "NOOOOO" from Vader in ROTJ. The "There's nowhere to go" from Threepio in ESB. The "You're lucky you don't taste very good" from Luke in ESB. The "prepare my star destroyer for my arrival" from Vader in ESB. The Krayt Dragon call by Obi Wan in ANH. All of them are unnecessary.
2. Greedo shoots at all.
3. Jabba in ANH.
4. Jedi Rocks replacing Lapti Nek.
5. No more YUB Nub song.
Yub nub song is shit
1) Greedo Shooting First
2) CGI in Mos Eisley
3) You're Lucky you don't taste good line replaced
Fun fact "You're lucky you dont taste good" was not in the original theatrical cut It was added in to the VHS version and was later cut out George has been monkeying with the movies longer then people remember
@@CT3127Bumblebee wow, what was the original theatrical version
@@SoapNugget what it is now
@@CT3127Bumblebee oh, I still prefer the taste good line more, it gives Luke a personality
@@SoapNugget I prefer the line too but it's just a fun fact I like to tell people
Lapti nek was damn perfect! Sleazy, bluesy space funk that was cut with a similar vibe and tempo as Rick James's "Superfreak" (which was the original temp track from filming). This was what I would imagine a sleazy space gangster slug and his sketchy criminal friends would be listening to, not that goofy "Jedi Rocks" abomination! - breaks my heart.
These are my 3 biggest issues too. ROTJ was always my favorite movie, but those ridiculous changes just drove me crazy so I can't watch it anymore.
the "NOOOO" change is the worst for me, because now even when i watch the original versions of the movies, in my head i'm still expecting vader to shout "NOOOOO"
they put windows on cloud city... like, why ?
1: Yub Nub being replaced, that may not be bad but I liked it :/
2: the sarlacc's changes
3: vador boi saying no
I like the windows
The windows are probably the best change in the Special editions. Cloud city went from a White Death Star to a actual city. It made Landos actions more believable since you get to see the people he governs. And it also increases the stakes when the imperials take the city. All from one minor change.
@@ValueNetwork I prefered then because it felt claustrophobic, fiiting very well with the whole situation: the place being a trap.
@@pikminologueraisin2139 You are alone in that opinion. The windows in Cloud City are very much praised. You will never see it in a list of worst special edition changes. The original cloud city was claustrophobic, boring, and way too white. It seemed like a place nobody would like to live in. Would you like to live in a big place that was claustrophobic, boring, and way too white? The windows made Cloud City more realistic.
i'm the underdog I see xD
Obi-Wan's scream in A New Hope on the 2011 blu ray still makes me die laughing every time I hear it. It's so bad.
Oh god...what on earth were they thinking? I just don't get it.
I’m gonna go top 5 hated changes and a few changes I like
Hated
1. Vader Saying no in return of the jedi (I cant cry at Vader’s death anymore because the cringe reminder of the meme takes me out of the moment)
2. Jedi Rocks
3. Jabba the Hutt Showing up
4. Extended Mos Eisley intro
5. Greedo shooting Han (He makes Stormtroopers look like Mandalorians and it doesn’t do any favors for the film)
Changes I liked
1. The shoot off Oola in the Ranchor Pit
2. Extra shots of Slave I
3. More windows in Cloud City
4. The Emperor in Empire Strikes back (Though I do miss the original voice)
5. Adding a sound effects relating to the Stormtrooper hitting his head on a door.
I don't mind the Vader yelling no addition to ROTJ. It adds a level of parallelism to his no at the end of ROTS. In ROTS, he felt like he had nothing left and the viewers believe he is completely lost to the dark side. In ROTJ, he knows that he has a son that he needs to protect and he hasn't completely given in to the dark side. I also like to think of it as Vader's response to Palpatine saying that Vader and Luke were his. But I understand why some people dislike it because it isn't exactly necessary.
My most hated Star Wars change is the existence of disney trilogy and disney's acquisition as a whole
Jedi Rocks is a classic case where George Lucas "may have went too far in a few places."
If they had just added a few new shots of the dancers to the existing song, I think it would have been much better received.
I agree with all of these. I would excise every instance of a character screaming "Nooooooooooooooooo" from these movies. There are better ways to express emotion. The original scene had wonderful tension. Now it becomes laughable/cringy.
My three worst changes:
1. Jabba the Hutt in ANH for the reasons you mentioned.
2. Jedi Rocks for the reasons you mentioned.
3. Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw in ROTJ: This isn't a dig on Hayden at all, but Sebastian Shaw IS older Anakin to me, and not just replacing his one scene that he gets to play the character as a true Jedi without Vader's burns and scars, but also doing it after Shaw passed away just feels like a huge FU to the actor.
- Dishonorable Mention: Greedo shooting first, because I really hate it, but it doesn't quite make the top three for me.
My three best changes:
1. Ian Mcdiarmid as the Emperor in ESB because continuity, plain and simple.
2. Victory Celebration just feels like a better ending song for the trilogy. It suits the bittersweet victory feeling that the ending scene has.
3. The new effects for the ships and space battles look much better. The new effects look pretty bad on the physical sets, but the new ship and space battle effects (Particularly the Battle of Yavin) look really good.
- Honorable Mention: Han charging into a hangar full of stormtroopers, because it makes that scene so damn hilarious, when it used to be akward that the stormtroopers he's chasing just kinda turn around and start chasing Han again.
After hearing Vader yell Noooo. I just can’t un Hera it even when watching the original
That No, my niece started smiling once she heard it cause she knew it would be ok. IT BREAKS TENSION.
"Without Vader saying a word!" so much YES!
To be fair, Jabba was never intended to be a mystery.
But yeah, George Lucas, on a fundamental level, somehow doesn't really get movies.
My top 3, in no particular order...
- Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
- Changing Boba Fett's voice.
- The many clumsy variations on "Han did not shoot first".
Best change: Cloud City interiors.
Vader screaming no at the end of Return of the Jedi. This is the one change that made me interested in looking for the Orginal theatrical cuts of the film.
I honestly think Vader's small "No." could've worked but the second one yelling "Nooooo!" as he lifts up Sideous just ruined it.
The only positive thing about Jedi Rocks was the extended Oola scene.
I might do a personal edit for myself, using the special edition just to remove Jedi Rocks and add Lapti Nek back in, while preserving the extended Oola scene and also a few other little edits here and there.
Might also do the same treat for Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope.
This is why we need both versions of the Original Trilogy, so we can enjoy it from both ends
So, the addition of the Jabba scene and the Jedi Rocks scene never bothered me, probably because I grew up more with the Special Edition version of the trilogy (I was born in 1991, so I was just old enough to see the original trilogy unaltered on video before the Special Edition came out). But I 200% agree on the Darth Vader “NOOOOOOOO” in ROTJ. It just spoils the moment so much for me.
By far vader saying no, no, nooooo in rotj is the worst. One of the things i always loved about the scene is how you can tell exactly what’s going through his mind, even though we can’t even see his face. A completely awful and unnecessary change. Also I grew up with Jedi Rocks and even I hate it.
Vader saying no before he picks up the Emperor is so upsetting for me. It’s one of the most powerful scenes in the series and watching Vader wordlessly break free of Palpatine because of how much he loves his son is incredibly epic and beautiful.
And then George just…ruins it with the nos.
Someone needs to tell him to stop adding things and make him stick to that.
The only ones I like are the "Episode IV" subtitle, Yub Nub to Victory Celebration and the Biggs hangar scene. I would like the scene with Ian McDiarmid in ESB if not for the changes in dialogue.
@1993DJC I actually agree about the Biggs scene, although I like the scene itself, it doesn't do much for the film.
I stick to 4K77, 4K83 and Despecialized for a reason lol
Worst:
1. Jabba in ANH
2. Vader NO
3. Greedo shooting
Best
1. Hayden as Anakin
2. Celebration music
3. Boba Fett voice actor
Agreed 👍
here's something that's bound to upset people: none of them bothered me.
Not even when you saw them for the first time ?
me as well
Carbonite Hunter nope. Though I do understand the reasoning behind others not liking them. But for me, the changes just don’t bother me.
Yup same for me apart from Jedi rocks which is really bad Lapti Nek was far better
Pretty much the same here. I grew up with the 90s VHS releases. Most of these are the only way I ever saw them. The one and only change I HATE, in its entirety, is digitally replacing Sebastian Shaw's face in RotJ's ending with Hayden Christensen's mug. Aside from that, nothing bothers me about Lucas' edits.
There should be a customizable version of the trilogy where you choose which changes to keep.
Like removing the changes mentioned in this video (among lot of others) but keeping some changes like cloud city, the rebel ships before attacking the Death Star, Ian McDiarmid on ESB, Hoth etc...
Would be great if at least some magician like Harmi And all those folks who made restoration versions could pull a version that kept the good changesx
It's definitely feasible. I have a documentary on DVD called What The Bleep Do We Know. It touches on that, it has interchangeable chapters. Basically interactive.
I want to watch a version that keeps the good edits and leaves out the bad.
Of course there’s the ones that massively change things, but the one that really grinds my gears is “You’re lucky you don’t taste very good!” to “You were lucky to get out of there!” Like, why??? What was the point? Same for the stupid rock in front of Artoo during the sandpeople encounter.
1) Greedo Shot First
2) Vader NOOOOOOOO
3) Jedi Rocks
My personal least favorite change came from Episode V, where Luke screamed when sacrificing himself. For me, the proof is the fact that is was removed later on, which makes it the only change to my knowledge to be removed entirely. Even George Lucas (or however, thought of it, maybe Lucas is just the scapegoat for this change.) thought it was a lousy change. He had no objections towards Greedo saying an odd phrase that means something like, "This will be the death of you" or stupid things like that. Still, that change was bad enough to be removed entirely.
they removed the scream back on disney+ and the 4k blu-ray
Han stepping on Jabba's tail made no sense. Jabba is a very dangerous gangster. He's going to kill anyone who steps on his tail.
My top 3 most hated:
1. Vader's "Noooo!". I totally agree with you. It's my favourite scene in the whole franchise and that derpy scream feels so out of place (the same way Luke screaming like the Emperor in TESB felt in the 1997 version).
2. Greedo shooting. This freaking scene has been modified in every single bloody revision of the goddamn movie.
3. Krayt Dragon's new scream. I mean, why? The 2011 version sounds so over-the-top and overproduced. In The Mandalorian the original scream (or a very similar to that one) was used and it worked perfectly.
3 worst for me:
-Vader yelling no
-CG Jabba
-Jedi Rocks
3 I like
-Victory Celebration
-Explosion Rings
-The planets celebrating at the end of Jedi
Star Wars is legit the only franchise where you could want “custom” editions where you keep some changes and discard others.
My one that I really hate is when that grean create walks past in front of the screen when the stormtroopers stop luke and obi in A new hope.
George can change lines for Luke's scene with Artoo in Empire but wastes time replacing an actor in a deleted scene in A New Hope to end a fun side-mystery with Jabba when he could just do the same and make a human actor an original new small character for the Star Wars Universe. It still disappoints me to this day.
To add insult to injury, my country's distributor didn't track the voice over actors of the first edition when dubbing the special edition.
Not only was the Han/Jabba scene a bit weird in itself, now imagine Han changing voice just for that moment.
I grew up with the DVD versions so none of this changes bothered me... except for Vader's "NOOO" in the Blu-Ray, that was weird
Has Vader's "no" really been around for nine years??!!! Whoa!!!
I like the Jedi Rocks scene. I don't like that the hot green lady is killed.
I have no idea why these changes are necessary to begin with when releasing Star Wars on a new format
aside from the added Jabba scene, Han and Greedo shooting at the same time alone, kept me from wanting to own ANH. the cantina concert in ROTJ was that much more tolerable? but it sure as hell didn't keep me from wanting to own it. call me crazy. it's no wonder TESB, is still the best film in the OT. even with the changes george made. it's amazing
I agree with scene 2 and 3, but for some reason, I hate the final version of the ending celebration in ROTJ where we go to Naboo and hear Jar Jar Binks say "Wesa free!". That was the ultimate troll job by Lucas for people hating on that character. I don't think Naboo even needed to be in the ROTJ final celebration. 3 locations including Coruscant seemed enough.
Luke screaming when he fell in ESB was also not a good change in 1997. Thankfully they took it out later.
My thoughts:
Jabba: I saw no mystery the first time around. Of course, I was pretty young when I saw A New Hope, and didn't get to see Empire until *after* Return of the Jedi for some reason. I never gave Jabba a first thought until I actually saw Return.
Jedi Rocks: To be honest, this scene was one that I kinda *wanted* them to use the new tech to enhance when I first heard about it. Problem is, "Lapti Nek" is a VASTLY superior song. I agree with you that Jedi Rocks just doesn't feel right. So in the end I was very disappointed in the final execution.
Big NO. Yeah okay, I'm gonna have to agree with you there. I just didn't like the execution.
Yup. One that didn't make it to home is the added scream of Luke as he fell from the spire on Bespin to his heroic death. I was in the thater for the Special Edition of Empire and was thinking, who the hell is screaming, then realizing that it was coming from the speakers.
Lol shit I didn't notice that part. I was actually thinking empire had the best changes but sadly that film actually got good adds compared to the other films. Despite the screaming Luke as he falls.
@@Aaron_Heininger All the video releases don't have the scream, so it's not a Mandela thing. :) TESB did have the best additional VFX. Loved Bespin, didn't like the Emperor, but I get it, didn't care for the Wampa. Liked when it was much more mysterious. And OMG the biggest crime was slowing down the pacing of the final chase after rescuing Luke with that stupid ass scene with the shuttle landing on the Executor, lowering the ramp, and having Vader walking out.
Special editions have never bothered me, i have seen the orginal too and personally i like speial edition more.
As for the orginal jabba scene, Solo refers that the guy in there as Jabba, yeat in return to the jedi he was hutt. Since they never explain how that human turn in to hutt it was just easier to chance him to hutt in that scene too.
I don't have source but i remember hearing that originally jabba (The hutt not human) was meant to be in that scene but they could not/ get hes body to work in time so they left him out.
It seems to me that more changes are made every time the series is moved to a new platform. VHS, DVD, blu-ray and streaming all have their own alterations. Where else could it go from there?
Now that George Lucas is gone, no more.
Unless Disney decides to restore the original unaltered versions.
The next thing will be the holographic versions and they're going to hire Lucas specifically for making changes.
Totally agree with point number 1, that’s why I keep my 2004 copy as a treasure
I agree. I have always hated the Change in the Blu-ray when Vader speaks "No". I liked that his inner turmoil is seen despite no words. Plus his actions do the talking rather than speaking.
The arrival at Los Isle in The New Hope. In the original, there was the build up of tension followed by the comic relief of the cantina characters (a commonly used setup in movies) But the remake ruined it. It was as if George Lucas never understood or was even aware of it.
My 3 least favorite changes are
1. Jabba in ANH
2. Greedo (kind of cheating by bundling him shooting and saying maclunky but oh well)
3. Jedi rock
My 2 favorite changes are (can’t think of a third)
1. Victory celebration replacing yub nub/extra scenes of the Galaxy celebrating
2. Luke and Biggs reuniting before the attack on the Death Star
There are a couple of things I hated about the OT Trilogy
1.)ANH-Han's weird neck jerk (when he shoots greedo)
2.)Vader's NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in ROTJ (i'm glad I got the 2004 version but it still won't make any difference)
3.)ANH That stupid space broto that blocks the landspeeder (Ohh that really grinds my gears)
Regarding the Luke/Vader fight of ROTJ, If Lucas had stayed in charge, and keeping in line with the new Vader comics, I'm most certain subsequent Lucas cuts would have included the voices or images of Padme when Vader sees how the emperor torturing Luke, maybe even a vision of Padme giving birth. OMG, I hope this comment gets cursed.
Thank you for keeping the true originals alive in this way and informing the young and newer fans why doing so is important. You've let them know that the versions they more than likely watched as their introduction into SW were the revisionist versions. And not the real thing.
However, your list needed to be much longer because there are so many more horrible changes that were made. The most abhorrent being replacing Sebastian Shaw's force ghost with Hayden Christensen's.
Here's why that swap is a logic break and the worst change on multiple fronts:
- Everyone who starts their SW journey by watching Ep.4 (which seems to be the large majority over those who start with Ep.1) has no idea who he is upon his appearance and immediately gets confused. I've seen many reaction videos where people literally say, " Wait, who was that next to Ben and Yoda? ". And if they do figure it out it takes them a bit. The swap still being jarring either way which should in no way be the effect on the audience from the 2nd to very last scene in the film closing the chapter on a trilogy that took decades to set up.
- Luke's character probably wouldn't have recognized him. And at the very least would've reacted much differently than just the immediate knowing smile he gave.
- The last time Anakin was redeemed and himself was when Luke took his mask off in ROTJ so *that's* the person we should've seen as a force ghost.
- It was completely disrespectful of Lucas to cut Sebastian Shaw's final performance in his last theatrical film appearance before he died.
- Shaw's heartfelt, memorable performance of giving us a warm, loving fatherly smile as he looked upon his son one last time was replaced with Hayden's detached, blank, creepy stalker leer.
I believe Hayden said that sequence was actually shot during a costume fitting. And Lucas had no intention of using the footage as it ended up. And had he (Hayden) known where it would eventually appear he would've given a much different and better performance. This is tragic on many levels.
The fans got the DCFU to release the Snider Cut. Let that be an inspiration to get the same of the original theatrical OT from Lucasfilm. #ReleaseTheRealOT
I can see where you're coming from on these points, and a couple of them I agree with, but as a whole I do not. I think that at the very least, on paper, it makes sense for Anakin Skywalker to be there as a young man. He was only around for a moment as an old man and if he sees himself as Anakin Skywalker again in that moment then it makes sense he would manifest himself as the young Anakin Skywalker in his ghost form. I think Luke would be able to tell who he was given the context without issue. What I do agree with is that it creates some confusion for the viewers. I think the idea works, it was just handled in a flawed way.
@@godofthecripples1237 Thanks for the response. Usually, any pushback I get on this is nothing but angry, aggressively dumb, and hopelessly clueless. But at least you were able to say why you disagreed in a better way.
However, what type of force ghost characters become in the SW universe has no relation to how they "see themselves". Self-perception simply doesn't play any role in it whatsoever.
Anakin died as an older man. And was redeemed as an older man. So THAT'S who Luke and we should've seen when he became a force ghost.
The overwhelming number of people I find defending younger Anakin as an FG are those who grew up with the revisionist versions of the OT who never saw these films are they originally were for decades. A trilogy that began in 1977 and remained intact for 20 years - only being altered in 1997 to create the "special (revisionist) editions".
These people simply don't have any frame of reference due to never seeing true/real originals.
Although most of the changes in ESB are widely accepted as the best from alterations of the OT films, no one else seems to prefer the Anakin FG swap or most of the other changes to the OT in any significant numbers.
In fact, it's the exact opposite with most of the pre-97 SW audience not liking the majority of the changes.
So I really can't articulate any further why changing Sebastian Shaw's FG to Hayden Christiansen was so egregious and on multiple fronts more than what I already explained in this and my previous comment.
If you still don't see why swapping Sebastian out for a younger actor is a problem, there's nothing else I can say that will change your mind.
However, one thing you may agree on hopefully is how it's not right for Lucas (and now Disney) to not make the true original trilogy widely available to the public.
By eliminating that choice, it forces people who want to see the OT to only be able to consume the revisionist versions - which completely dismisses and disregards how millions of people knew the OT for decades.
This is entirely unacceptable.
At the very least, they should make both versions of the OT available so people can decide for themselves which they'd prefer. This would allow everyone to have what they wanted regardless of which version of the OT they'd choose.
Individual fans have taken the matter into their own hands and created no less than 3 HD unaltered OT trilogy editions (Despecialized, Silver Screen Edition, Project 4K77). So a large multi-billion dollar company like Disney doing the same would be more than achievable.
Either way, there's simply no excuse for why they should eliminate choice and keep the unaltered versions from the public any longer. And there was really no justification for it in the first place.
@@boomieboo I do agree that Star Wars fans are usually assholes, and I also agree that the true original versions of the films should be readily available somewhere.
However, you said that self-perception has nothing to do with how someone manifests as a ghost. This has never been stated.
George Lucas himself has said that he felt Anakin should appear young since that's when Anakin originally died. This would imply that self-perception does have something to do with it. And even if it doesn't, it's some sort of weird Cosmic third party perception, the point holds true nonetheless.
He was arguably Anakin for about 3 minutes upon his death. His ghost displaying as the young Anakin Skywalker in his prime as a Jedi is a good way to show this.
The problem is just that watching the originals without watching the prequels doesn't convey this, because you wouldn't know who that young man is. This could easily be fixed by handling the scene slightly differently, throwing in some dialogue from Obi-Wan, but we don't get that. I would say that's the issue.
man you nailed it,those scenes needed to be left alone ,good job pointing those out
Star Wars (1997) and Return of the Jedi (1983) had editors, writers and even a movie director (Richard Marquand). 1997 Special Edition, 2004 DVD, 2001 Blu Ray and so on had too much technology, too much ambition, too little soul.
Jedi Rocks is fun in OG Battlefront 2
I was surprised that the Greedo shooting thing wasn't in this, but in terms of 'most hated', I actually think I agree with you here. Star Wars is already quite outlandish and silly at times, which can put people off, and I think these changes compound that a ton, aside from being completely unnecessary and impeding the flow/atmosphere of the film. My next least favourite changes, if I remember correctly, are the 'Yub-nub' song being replaced (nostalgic, humble and heart-warming ending) and the Greedo thing I mentioned before (for reasons already explored in loads of detail). Thanks for interesting video!
Hey! We have the same worst three changes! Except Vader's "no!" Was way worse than added Jabba in my opinion...
Jabba ruined a mystery, and is redundant... But Vader took an amazing scene and told the cinematography that they didn't do their job right, and it just talks down to the audience. Like, "now, boys and girls, what's Darth Vader going to do?!"
I always tell this story, but i remember telling my mom after watching ROTJ for the 2nd or 3rd time, "i cant believe that they were able to convey so much emotion with a mask that doesn't even move"
My top 3 hated
1. Obiwan's new yell to luke in a new hope
2. vader saying No
3. jedi rocks
1. Darth vader "no"
2. Obiwan krayt shriek
3. Jabba in ANH
I forgot about the Vader "Nooo".
I only watch Despecialized versions.
I forgot they made the “no” change with Vader, and for good reason. I guess I tried to block it out of my mind.
"Jabba, you're a wonderful human being." is one of the all-time great Han Solo lines.
Love that scene! Dorky CGI and all.
That "No" was a big middle finger to a lot of people. It was THE culmination of everything in the saga. a place where you could forget about all the goofy changes made before it and just take in the raw emotion of it all. It should have been untouchable.
I like it