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This really was AWESOME to see, though. I grew up on the upper west side as an orthodox jew, and its super cool to see you making a video about this. A lot of our traditions can seem strange to an outside observer, so I'm really happy to see this
couldn't you have asked a jew? I would have been happy to correct your pronunciation and errors... or any of my rabbis or friends... this is so wrong it hurts
when i was in the US on a work & holiday visa this is what Ive done in the Jewish orthodox communities. Some of them are really cool, they tip a lot :D
@@stylesrj heh, I had a similar thought when HAI mentioned the job. You'd probably best get a contract drafted and signed on Friday that states payment in full is to be made on Sunday
@@marlinlenchanteur4260 no we're allowed to flush, because it's not "creating something". Creating something probably sums up everything you're not allowed to do on the Sabbath
So i edited this now the replies won't make sense. jk i wouldn't remove my genius from the world, here it is: "Simple way to solve this: make a tiny circle fence, and say that it actually encloses everything outside" - Some Rando, some time, some place, hotel trivago
This reminds me a bit of the Roman tradition to declare war by going to the lands in question and, well, declare war to it. But when Roman influence grew, and war zones became more remote and you couldn't just wait for a messenger to travel there, declare war on it and come back, they thought of a workaround. They "gifted" the opponent a tiny piece of land outside of Rome, then threw a spear into it to declare war to it, then swiftly "annexed it" back. Technically they declared war onto the opponents land, so it was all good.
I hope this is true and that they could complete the whole thing in a day without actually giving any notice whatsoever to their actual newly minted enemy.
God: why were you carrying things on the sabbath? Jews: well, you see, we actually encircled manhattan with a tiny wire God: my bad fam, get into heaven
Me: so how many virgins do I get God: uh, broh, wrong religion! Me: ah, my bad, was worth a try God: well, even 1 virgin is more than you'd have right now! Haha! Burn!
You've gotta love creating a system of rules so intricate it takes up 63 volumes, only to then figure out that running an otherwise useless wire around an island is a magical loophole that lets you circumvent and ignore them. This has to be one of the most "religions are crazy" examples I've ever seen...
That is a great description. There is even a story in the Gemara where the Rabbis are voting on how a law should be interpreted and one Rabbi is holding out and keeps on saying if I am right then let this miracle happen and it happens the majority keep going, that's nice but we aren't changing our minds, and it ends with God laughing in heaven and saying my children have beaten me.
just make a tiny wire and claim that everything inside is the outside, and everything outside is the inside, effectively rendering the entire world as "private domain"
This feels like it defeats the entire purpose if you're just going to look for loopholes. That's like saying "I'm going on a diet to lose weight, but I can eat all the snacks I want if I do it at home."
Fits right in with 99.999999% of all religious people, full of S, cherry pick and twist the words of their doctrine to fit whatever lifestyle they want to live.
As a formerly religious Jew, the key here is that Orthodox Jews don't believe this is a loophole. They believe that the Torah (which in this case includes the Talmud) has no mistakes, and therefore every odd technicality, including the eruv, is perfectly intentional on God's part. Therefore, when they put up an eruv around Manhattan, this is as in keeping with God's law as claiming an itemized deduction for charitable donations is with American tax law. Why would God add this sort of odd technicality? Who knows! Orthodox Jews also don't believe it's possible to know God's intent about anything unless the Torah spells it out directly.
Aleksandr Kamarov anti-Semitic? In what way? You do know Semitic constitutes the Afro-Asiatic language family and its characteristics that include Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Ethiopic. You do know stock trading is done by all races and creeds, nationality, etc. (or at least it’s illegal to discriminate as far as occupation). You do know that even if the joke was about the Jews (since the video is mostly discussing Jewish law) it isn’t strictly Semitic. If this is your desperate cry for pity, it’s not working. Trying to change the meaning of words to change history. Semitic≠Jewish I would respect your comment more if you just said Jew-ish. Btw, the comment does read “NEW YORKER.”
1st Rabbi: How do we get around this "no carrying" thing? 2nd Rabbi: I might have found a loophole. 1st Rabbi: A loophole? I think that might be an idiom from a language that doesn't exist yet. Explain yourself. 2nd Rabbi: Well, you see, if we just create a loop around all the places we might need to go, and we stay in the hole inside that loop, we can carry whatever we need! Et voila! A loophole!
@@thestarjon Rabbi 2: It means it is wrong to have (on the sabbath) eaten a violin in the past. Very inconvenient that. Your turn to come up with a loophole.
You actually can not carry everything! For example tools, electronics, money or credit cards, or anything that is not directly related to observing (as in resting) on the Sabbath. Its not really a loophole. Its an interpretation of jewish commandments. Think of these as adaptations rather than loopholes. Its like vegans and the “impossible burger”. It looks like a leniency, but its just an interpretation of what “meat” is or isn’t.
I just made an eruv, but the wire is facing outwards, which means the entire planet is considered inside of it except the small area that it takes up. Now Jewish people can carry anything whenever they want. You're welcome.
The whole “not completing anything” thing seems a bit much. If they’re including circuits then shouldn’t stuff like sentences count? Breaths? Eye blinks?Rational thoughts? Cellular mitosis?! (That last one was a joke but you see where I’m going with this)
They could avoid driving around and checking it by making it an electrical circuit and attach it to the Internet so everyone could check if the circuit was complete.
@ralphw3636 why would that be "needed".... he had a good idea and you had to add too it to feel special. His solitution actually solved a problem you just need attention
@ralphw3636 Not necessarily. There are techniques that can be used to get at least a general idea of the length of a wire from one end by measuring how it responds to certain changes. Even beyond that, you could set up periodic "points" along the wire that can respond to queries (there is a technology called "1 Wire" that does this, but probably wouldn't work for this -- but the principles of how it works could still be used).
Same, and I'm actually a religious Jew, so it was quite a pleasant surprise for me. I grew up in Manhattan, utilizing that very eruv. I still live in a community with an eruv. they are everywhere, not just Manhattan
It's not "tricking God". He was pretty straightforward in His direction, and they took it to a whole, hyper-technical level. That's what humans do: they over-complicate the simple. We all know what "work" is and means.
I had to deal with an Eruv line in North Hollywood, CA while doing street construction. There were even special requirements and meetings required for the project to assure the Eruv line was not damaged. The Rabbi was real nice and easy to work with. Just part of doing construction in the neighborhoods.
I live in a neighborhood with this in Pittsburgh (but am not Jewish myself) and this happens when there's a disaster/event that could damage the line, too! I can't remember what the event was in the last few years but there was special care taken to ensure the line was checked and secure afterwards.
Another acceptable approach would have been to tell the religious nuts that other people needn't redo their lives to suit the religious person's batshit crazy ideas. The rabbi was a real nice guy - sure, until you insisted on doing something he didn't like. Then he would have screamed bloody persecution. Fuck those nut jobs.
It's pretty pathetic. Their little tricks are simply their own righteousness. They're trying to make themselves holy in a way that God never asked them to do. How sad. Jesus came to straighten it out when he said the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given to us people 4 a day to spend with God and with others of like mind. It's a day to remember all the great things God has done. Yes we are to keep it holy and to not do any work but that's for our good in order to focus on him and his goodness and to share that time with other believers. It's a wonderful day of rest. It has nothing to do with whether or not you carry something on the Sabbath day! In fact Jesus said it is right to do good on the Sabbath day. That means that if someone happens to have a flat tire on the Sabbath and you know how help them out, you should stop and help them put their spare on. Or if someone was maybe driving with a load of something in the back of their pickup and they turn the corner and Spilled it all out on the road, pull over and help them pick it up. Or if someone's cows get out of their fence, help them get the cows back in even on the Sabbath day! Or if there's someone that is sick and needs some kind of medication and cannot wait, go to the store and buy it for them. Or if there is someone that hasn't had food and is hungry, give them food even if you have to go to the store and buy it. Those are the times when you can buy or sell on the Sabbath, when it's an emergency. Many times we would have food of our own that we could give people so we don't even need to buy anything. It's about resting in the Lord and sharing his goodness with others, that's what the Sabbath is about. It's not about our selfish petty little rules and acting like we're holier than everyone else! That's pretty disgusting and you can't trick God into thinking you're holy.
@John McKay Nah dude, it's the opposite. The logic is that god is too smart to have left any loopholes accidentally. So if there's a loophole, god must want you to use it.
If you're just going to think of ways to get around your own rules, wouldn't it be easier to make a small loop of wire, and declare everything *outside* the loop to be private space?
@@tvdinner325 The 4th commandment (3rd in Christian and Samaritan lore ) in the Torah is "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy" It says nothing about not working.
@@tyaty I don't have an invisible friend, nor do I need one. You live some, and then you die. I try to be nice, and leave the place better than I found it. End of story.
That's why no one penalizes them for cheating. It's like flying machines in minecraft, it's hard to do that so no one cares that your breaking the laws of physics with some pulles and command blocks
Ex-Jew here: Yeah, it’s pretty stupid. And when you really get them to think about it, no one seems to think it makes much sense either, (at least in the orthodox circles I’m a part of,) and yet they still follow and don’t-quite-break the laws like they do.
@@coyotedomino Once senseless rules rules are broken, rules that make sense can be broken too as it breaks the rule that no rules must be broken. It can destroy the whole foundation of a religion or a way of life!
I don't get things like this because, like, do you think god will say "well, i wasn't gonna let you into heaven because you regularly did work on the sabbath, but i can see that you stayed inside a tiny wire fence, so it doesn't count"?
That's just spaghetti code like treating a religion. But wait that's another kind of religion humans came up. Switch on light. Make beings. Wash away all of that. God to the beginning.
Steve Doe that is one of the central themes of thr religion though, the texts say you quite literally argue with god about the rules and like you would with a family member, try to create workarounds to satisfy him.
God: Hey guys, I know it's tough down there, how about taking a day off once a week to just relax? Ultra Orthodox: I shall take it upon myself to commit every effort analyzing and carrying out the most exact possible meaning of the word "relax"
@@loud4life920 Yeah, the thing is that religious rules never get adopted to the modern world (in no religion that I know). I can think of many rules that used to make sense, but which are not fit for purpose anymore. E.g. it makes total sense not to have sex before marriage if you don't have a social support system for single moms, don't have methods to prevent or treat STIs, and don't have contraception available. In modern days this doesn't apply anymore - at least not in industrialized countries. Also this not mixing meat and milk thing probably made a lot of sense, when these products where very limited, so people would limit themselves in meat and milk consumption. This is also not applicable anymore in industrialized countries, as milk and meat are very abundant. And I guess it's the same with the Sabbat: People should take a day off and not work in any way, but I don't think that this rule was intended to make the life of people more difficult. I guess if we were able to talk to the guy who made these rules up, he would be fine if we used an elevator or keys or electrical light - just don't do things that are not relaxing. Not being allowed to use computers and smartphones, however, could still be beneficial, because when there's virtually nothing you are actually allowed to do, it gives you time to self-reflect on yourself, which is something we do way to rarely in our modern world. People just function and do what they're expected to do, but they never find the time to reflect if the thing they're doing is actually worth doing and if it fills their life with joy or not...
I learned a lot of things on UA-cam. Many of them are quite interesting; quite a few turn out to be helpful in my daily life. But then there's the story of this wire ...
I agree. I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and we believe in Sabbath day observance. However, we believe that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It was given to us for our benefit, to allow us a day to set aside the worries of day-to-day life and focus on our relationship with God and our worship of Him. When it comes to working on Sunday, we believe that it should be avoided as much as possible, but that some professions may require Sunday work, such as healthcare, law enforcement, emergency services, and public transportation. We’re encouraged not to conduct business on Sunday, nor to engage in recreational activities. Many of us choose not to study or do homework on Sunday. In short, it’s meant to be a day of rest and worship. How exactly we observe the Sabbath is between ourselves and the Lord.
Sean Davila the sabbath is not on Sunday you idiot and it even isn’t actually called the sabbath you are indoctrinated by your cult go get an education
The rules probably weren't originally meant to be this strict. They were probably meant to be practical rules meant to enable rest, so "carrying" probably meant carrying heavy objects. Unfortunately, religions tend to develop fundamentalist strands and lose original context, so some people ended up interpreting "carrying" to mean carrying any object, hence the use of eruvs to create "private" domains that encompass suburbs.
Free Indeed Every single old country has its share of old out-dated laws, such as public executions. It is not just religion that was insane, but pretty much everyone with power as well. However just like France no longer executes people on a whim, religious laws like those are no longer used either.
Free Indeed My nigga. “they are in the bible in the first 5 books” yeah? How does that somehow mean “you must take this 100% literally”? The Old Testament is a compilation of revelations given to ancient Israelites. the Bible isn’t some step by step instruction manual that, when taken literally, applies to every single person who ever existed at any time throughout history. Its deeper meanings do, but ancient ritual commands to a poor ex-slave ancient Hebrew dont apply to a modern middle class White dude lol
sooooo. instead of following their religion, they spend thousands of dollars a year in ways to "fool" the system? A system that they created to honor those they worship?
No. Judaism is much more complicated than a short youtube video can explain. The commandmant in the Torah says only to rest on the seventh day. In order to understand what that includes and what you are actually supposed to do there is the Talmud. The Talmud brings the thought process of big Rabbis and the bottom line of what they see as right. In this case they didn't specify the weight or bulkiness of the thing you want to carry, just no carrying anything from private prop. to public. And since it's gotten important, other Rabbis found a loophole that allows you to carry belongings without a worry. So this is not defying g-d himself, but adding an interpretation to his command. Judaisim is a strict religion with many little details that have been studied for over 3000 years. Till this day it's all relevant and adjustable to modern times.
@@renanacohen2584 Yeah, no. That's a clear violation of the spirit of the law. Ask anyone in new york if the sidewalk is public private or provate property, and, clothesline perimeters not withstanding, they will correctly determine it to be public. Not that the law has been observed in general since the destruction of the second temple.
@@P-Sides Wow, so you don't see the important symbolism of Ishmael and Isaac, or Jacob and Esau? How one can be a child of Abraham by blood, but not children of his promise? How those who believed the messiah at his coming inherited his promise, and became his children by faith, being adopted into the household of the everlasting king of glory? Notice that it is always the firstborn and presumptive heir who is passed over in favor of the one whom God as chosen, just as a multitude of Israelites believed themselves as chilldren of Abraham to be the presumptive heirs of his covenant, but only those whom God had moved to supernatural faith recieved his blessing. This is not alt all to say that those who were jews by blood were in anyway excluded, because Christ, Peter and the other apostles, Paul, and all the very first Christians were Jewish. It is also prophesied that after the gentiles begin to lose the faith and leave the Church (we are at about this point in the story now) that the Jews will finally convert and accept the messiah their fathers had rejected, and for this rejection were driven into a diaspora which has dwarfed all prior exiles. For the record, his name isn't "Jacob the deceiver" but Saint Israel or Jacob the Patriarch.
@@voidedspace5510I think you're correct. I tried to ask a respectful question, it's gone immediately. That means, hide knowledge! C e n s o r s h I p!
I'd guess all the kids who want to pass. While most kids who aren't on a bubble will be viewed as able to transition to the next grade realistically even in areas where a heavily supervised form of school will expand to the general student population it might then become not possible again. So given even in the best case scenario time to universal access to a vaccine I 'd think doing homework is important. Kids lose 5 months of school over the summer holiday . So at the rate this is going you wouldn't want to risk sliding all the way back to what you learned in grade 1 .. Although at least you are in a semi-educational bit of youtube, So now write an essay on it and call it a day.
So basically the entire Jewish religion was based on the concept of "rules as written" rather than "rules as intended" and then they started writing more rules...
Hence why Apostle Paul said that Christ's Death and Resurrection rendered the Law of Moses Null and Void - to stop Jewish Converts from forcing The Law on new Gentile Converts.
No. As someone currently studying Talmud in a yeshiva, the religion is based on both orthopraxis and orthodoxy. Summarizing it the way you did, while accurate on some parts, completely throws away loads of concepts in both Jewish law and Jewish ethics.
yes and no, when people say "hells kitchen" they ARE talking about a real place though that isnt the actuall name of the place its like calling your friend thomas "t-dog" that ISNT his name yet every friend of thomas will know who youre talking about and you are still talking about a real person another example would be "big apple" the name isnt on any map (AFAIK) but it still refers to a real place namely newyork
Religion: These are the rules, observe them People: These are the rules, swerve them Maybe rewrite them and consider the atmosphere as the metaphorical fence?
Well in this case the Rabbis made the law stricter, and put caveats in place for the law they just made. The one thing he didn't mention in this video is that an Eruv does NOT work for a public domain, only a "karmelis" which is only considered public by the same Rabbis who said you can put an Eruv up.
God : "Shabbah is for relaxing. Don't go to work." Rabbis: "Oh so we have to encircle our whole city with a wire to carry stuff?" God : "what? No I meant-" Rabbis : "NO TURNING THE LIGHTS ON RIGHT?"
True. This feels to me like they know that they want to stay with their religion, but they also know that this law sucks so they are kinda cheating with it. So then, a question pops up in my head: Why they just dont screw up that law or stop being part of that religion. Lol 🙃
reminds me of how medieval monks would get around food restrictions. Like during lent they weren't allowed to eat meat, but fish was okay, so they simply classified things like puffins and beavers as fish.
I've always wondered why a lot of Jews get into law. After learning all the rules their religion has, and how they circumvent those rules, I now understand.
There's a very important point that's being ignored. TL;DR version: It's not finding ways around Biblical rules, it's Rabbis building loopholes into their own overly-strict stringencies. The Biblical prohibition only forbids carrying through specific types of public areas (public thoroughfares where many thousands of people pass daily). The Rabbis later made a stringency forbidding people from carrying through *any* non-private space, to prevent people from accidentally crossing a public thoroughfare. They then decided that this was too strict, so they made this loophole *around their own stringency*, but only when properly prepared (thereby making sure people think about where the permitted and forbidden areas are, decreasing the likelihood that one would cross a public thoroughfare accidentally). So it's not a loophole to get around God's word, it's a loophole to get around a Rabbinic stringency. The eruv does not allow one to carry over a public thoroughfare (such as a highway), as this would be a Biblical prohibition. A lot of Judaism is like this.
Excellent question! And because of that many Orthodox Jews will not even rely on the eruv in the incredibly populous Manhattan. This is the opinion of the most renown American rabbi of the last century, who himself was a resident of Manhattan’s Lower East Side.
Thanks for explaining. I saw it mentioned in a film once but had clue what they were referring to. I used to work in Hackney (East London), which had a huge Orthodox Population. I wish I learned more about their customs.
The Eruv is more than 3000 years old. It was in the mishnayos that were mentioned in the video which was written around 2000 yrs ago with information that had been passed orally from mt sini
And this ability to rules lawyer is all thanks to eating a forbidden fruit. To bad the effects of it took time to kick in. If it had been instant we would still be in Eden.
The weird part is there is no commandment that says you can't carry things. The commandment in question literally states that you work for six days then you, your family, your employees, and your guests must not work on the seventh day. It was some group of old dudes in a dark room who interpreted "do not work" as "not allowed to do anything except exist".
@@jtqthetieman Actually, I think you just hit the nail on the head. If all you have to do on the Sabbath is to exist, then perhaps all you have left is to sit and pray while contemplating God.
The stupid thing is, they bother with this wire crap because taking your keys with you when you leave your house is "technically" work. They circumvented this inconvenience that was there to begin with because of a technicality, with technicality.
What does the second word at 4:02 mean? And why whenever I type it on UA-cam does my comment get immediately blocked by the profanity filter? Can you explain what the second word is and why it's offensive enough we're banned from saying it?
All you had to do was enter it on Google search. It has 2 meanings. Nation is apparently the direct Hebrew meaning/translation, or a slang (derogatory) name for someone who isn't Jewish. Which explains why it's blocked.
Classic religion: - Invent a pointless rule - Find a way to go around the pointless rule you have invented, even though you _are_ still technically violating it - Pretend like it was supposed to work that way so you don’t have to fear going to hell or whatever for carrying your keys
There is no hell in Judaism, and observance of Shabbat varies depending on if you're Reform/Reconstructionist, Conservative, Orthodox, or Sephardic or Mizrahi. The laws are originally much older than the Mishnah. This video is full of misinformation about Jewish life.
I love how the rule of not carrying is so unimportant that a workaround for a workaround is acceptable, but should that workaround be dislodged or cut then it's the worst thing that could have possibly happened.
That's smart. Actually, I think it's too smart. You would burn in hell for trying to circumvent the rules. Sure, the wire is also a way to circumvent the rules; but it's also painful and costly to mantain, so it fells like you have maintained the balance..
I studied the talmud and the Jewish law, and I had the exact same question! But in short there are many issues with that, one being that it cannot enclose oceans.. Also there is a limit to how big the area enclosed can be, and that is why many Jewish authorities actually don't use the Manhattan Eruv, And actually some people never use any eruvs unless it's very important..
I worked for a Jewish architect, years ago. We were both workaholics, which suited us fine. Then one day he upset the status quo as he'd just finished some Rabbi training and he asked me to stop working on Saturdays, but I could come in on Sunday. I said I had to go to church on Sunday (not really as I was normally in his office), but that if I took the work home on Fridays, I would be happy to work Sundays, after church. I knew better than to say I would work Saturday too. We got along beautifully and for years after that, even though I'd moved onto other companies (and his competition), I would still freelance for him in the evenings and weekends, from the comfort of my home.
If vampires existed, they could just walk under it like everyone else. It’s not a curtain of silver that they couldn’t pass through, it’s a wire. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've only read the Wikiped article on the matter, but I believe what makes the eruv work is as follows: So what's needed to enclose a private domain is a wall. But walls can have doors. So what is a door? It's a doorway. Two posts, or jambs, and a top bar, or lintel. Hence this design. Each of these posts around Manhattan is a door jamb, and the wire, lying atop them, is very long lintels. It's a very long wall that is mostly doorway, but it is a wall.
@@chrischong6613 That's Judaic law, baby. It's all arguments, all the way down, and if you think religious law is boring then you should see what some of these rabbis say about each other in the Talmud's margin notes and historical record.
Thank you. Everybody else in these comments has literally no idea how Talmudic law works, what Sabbath-observance looks like, or why this has nothing to do with “tricking God”
So, since I have seen four stories on this in the last 10 years, the next thing I want to see is something that does not brush off all the little carve-outs and instead researches why they exist and explains them for real.
Word, 😂 but Orthodox Jews do it anyways because they believe this world was meant for working hard, in order to earn their place in the world to come based exactly according to the effort put in
So let me get this straight: There is a single line of wire around Manhattan because Jews are not allowed to carry stuff outside their home on Saturdays? So this is basically the Anti Sea Bear Circle from Spongebob?
Religion Logic 101 : Let's create an arbitrary rule that affects our way of life, then let's make up a loop-hole work-around so that the rule doesn't affect our lives.
@@snowshoes343 Not really, though. Jews invented them, and jews invented ways to break them. Yes, of course, different *individuals*, but within the context of a single group with (supposedly) single goal in mind. Both the rule and the loophole were invented with the goal of pleasing god in mind, from within the same invented belief system.
@@1slotmech Well you're screwed because I am privy to revealed wisdom that you will be smote if you don't do/believe the opposite of whatever you are doing/believing. It's too bad we have to worry about all these gods instead of just looking at a wire on a pole and saying "that's stupid".
Jorge Emrys Landivar If they believe god made the rules for them to interpret them why not re-interpret them to be a little more logical and less restrictive?
Cool Shadow This is called the conservative movement, and most of us agree that the orthodox rules, which are mostly Rabbis making a fence around the fence around the fence on the core 613 mitzvot, are more restrictive than necessary
2:18 Yes, I'm sure these example walls are made *only* to prevent this rule and not to continue the establishment of an apartied oppression of a native ethnic group...
Why bypass religious laws when you can bypass the whole religion? Edit: I'm not atheist. I was just pointing out how stupid it is to morph religious laws to your suiting. If the religion means so much to you, then follow it to the full extent. Who are you fooling by this? God?
It is said that as much as the Jews have kept the Sabbath, the Sabbath has kept the Jews. Basically, all these observances and rituals and, yes, even outright rules is what makes them who they are, and has allowed them to survive so much... stuff... from four thousand-ish years ago until today. I think there's definitely some truth to that. It's a faith that promotes literacy, skill with numbers, a good understanding of legality... Not to mention the morality, the good treatment of animals, widows, children, etc. I think it's overall probably been a net benefit for the world. If everyone on the planet had to believe the same thing, obviously I'd prefer my own faith first, because I'm biased, but if not then agnosticism, followed by Jainism (very chill dudes) and Sikhism, then Judiasm, then the other Protestant denominations that aren't my own, and then somewhere far at the bottom is Scientology and other big dangerous cults like that. But yeah the Torah is pretty neat.
Cristian Gomez He is not wrong. I mean... he has a point, if it means so much to them, why do they creat this systems to make themselves believe that they are not failing to their sabbath? Why they just don’t do nothing and wait until is Sunday?
Thank you for doing this Sam, I really enjoyed watching you trying to explain the very complicated concept of Eruv! Great job! Orthodox Jew here, don't worry about the mispronunciations, the effort counts!
you could just make a tiny circle in your apartment and tell yourself that the outer part is the part that's encircled instead of the smaller side. That way you could circumvent it all over the world except in that circle.
thats your perspective, another perspective could be watching and commenting on youtube is a waste of energy, time, and finance....not sure how anything could be a waste of faith...you either got it or you dont...maybe your back and forth...i dont know how it can be wasted. probably due to my lack of faith, i definitely have wasted to much time, energy and money on youtube today...so im out.
Being mathematically minded, when the video talks about how this loop originally only encompassed a small section of Manhattan and then was later expanded in size - I immediately thought about the possibility of expanding the loop to the extreme... Encompass all of USA, then all of America, then expand the wire around the entire Earth - once the wire separates the Earth into two equal parts any further expansion of the loop will make the wire length shorter - ultimately as the original loop is expanded to include the entire Earth the wire ends up reducing to an infinitesimal small loop somewhere in the Indian Ocean and dissappears completely. At this limit the annual cost of maintaining the wire loop will drop to zero. I guess this would be a way of creating the ultimate loop hole🙂
Brilliant. I had my gf watch this video then read your comment. As she read she wore a gently bemused expression up until the pun at the end, at which point her face morphed into one of utter disgust and betrayl. Made my day, cheers.
Us Jews don’t have enough money do to this, it would cost to much to maintain, and anyway the only sizeable orthodox community’s are mainly in big cities so…
If you have any serious respect for God, what do you suppose He thinks about this 18 mile piece of wire specifically designed to get around the original purpose of the commandment requiring rest on the 7th day? “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." Exodus Chapter 20 Remember..."The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." 1st Samuel Chapter 16.
This is why I pay no attention to what most ancient rabbis said. If you worship and obey god, do what god said, not a bunch of people who were ,supposedly, experts on interpreting his will. If it has a business in it, it is NOT all a private area in gods eyes. The wire is therefore irrelevant. If you break gods commands, at least confess it and beg mercy, don't try to make up a pitiful excuse like this. I won't tell you to go oat and slaughter a lamb as penance but seriously, stop being stupid.
I know. It's rather beautifully Hebrew. It has a sort of inside out logic that I find deeply satisfying. To me it's a way of negotiating to be both compliant with the law and at the same time have things work practically.
@@robertbilling6266 It is your day of rest, you are supposed to be resting and praying. You may buy or make what you will eat that day, but that is generally the limit of work on a sabbath. (originally buying was forbidden but as it is now much less work than making it yourself, it seems ridiculous) The only real exception is for the temple staff who serve god as their job and are thus mostly exempted.
It depends upon whether the wire is going clockwise or counterclockwise. But I'm not going to tell you which it is in case god is reading these comments.
It's not their laws it's God laws. And what has man always wanted to do to God Law's and not feel awful about it? Circumvent them. This applies to everyone who tries to bring down God standards to fit their questionable lifestyles.
Except this particular law is 100% attributed to humans. Granted, they were barely human, being religious leaders, but the fact remains that this law wasn't gifted to humanity like the 10 commandments supposedly were. A bunch of rabbi's got together and yelled at each other a bunch n came up with the whole damned crazy list of rules. Insanity.
There are regular conflicts over eruvs on Long Island. Neighborhoods try to prevent the construction of an eruv, in order to discourage the Orthodox, with their huge families, from moving in.
The effect religion has on people is so fascinating. Somehow millions of people are convinced that switching a light or placing wire around the city is important to their god.
It’s very simple. People want to remember their culture and where they came from so they keep the same traditions to remember who they are. They carry it honorably. Blind faith can be very beautiful, giving people someone to believe in and something to thank, its very humbling and nice. Taking a symbolic time to only be around your family and history could be very meditative and that’s why it still exists.
Not to their God, but to their religion. If they cared anything about their God, they would be fully on board with the spirit of the law and the letter of it. Instead it's mostly an ethnic/cultural thing, so being "observant" only in the most convoluted, trivial way gets them by for having their unique identity.
notmyrealnameify , Look at humans now, Keeping 6 feet away from others, wearing masks and gloves, If someone from 2000 year ago would see you they would say the same about you. Only after learning what a virus is and how it can pass on to others you can understand it, the same here, people need to learn and live it to fully understand. A UA-cam video is just a taste.. Humans are always learning new things. Hopefully one day we'll understand all things :)
Not all Jews believe and do that..... just like in Christianity, Islam and pretty much every other religion - Judaisem has many different streams. Some are more religious than others, some choose to listen to the words of different rabbis, some don't listen and believe to rabbis at all. As a Jew even I sometimes don't understand why some people do that, but we have a saying: "A man in his believes will live"
My Eruv brings all the boys to the yard (As long as the Eruv was sufficiently long enough to encompass a sufficiently large area in which the boys already were existing, and the movement of said boys stayed within the Eruv itself)
Nobody cares. Almost no one believes in the abrahamic religions. Many people say they do, but they do NOT. Most never even read the texts they supposedly believe in. Which is good. The ancient religious texts are, well, ancient. That includes ancient in accuracy and morality. It is just the very few, many of which becomes atheists, that actually read the texts. To most people, a religion is like a club. See it as a community. Not an actual belief.
@@shamirarshad1867 No, it is every single religion. If you follow the holy text to a T it's all equally stupid. Like muslims and christians can't eat pork or wear different types of fabric.
as an observant Orthodox Jew, I would like to just clarify how this works. The Torah says that you cannot carry from a privet domain to a public one, like the video says. however, the eruv is NOT making a public domain into a privet one. for an area to be considered a public domain it needs to have 600,000 people pass through it daily. then there is a third classification added by the rabbis called a carmilas, which is an area not surrounded by walls. and the rabbis forbade carrying things within it lest people by mistake think its a privet domain when it could be a public one (depending on the number of people passing through daily). Together with this new classification of a carmilas they also said that you can but walls around it (the number of walls and the form of the walls are very complicated so I won't get into it here) then you can now carry within it. Because of this, many Jews actually do not hold of the Manhatten eruv since there are most probably more than 600,000 passing through it in a day. some people even go to the extent of not using eruvs within cities at all due to the other opinion that a public domain is a street wider than 16 amos which equals to about 30 feet. if want to see just how complicated this is here is a link to the alter rebbe's code of law. www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4051002/jewish/The-Laws-of-Eruvin.htm P.S. thanks so much for doing this video it was very nice to see my traditions on your video.
Apologies for my terrible Hebrew pronunciations. Or maybe they're great, I just have no idea, which is why they're probably terrible.
You know what's not terrible, though? Your all's topic suggestions. Well, actually, most are pretty terrible (like the ones telling us to do an analysis of geopolitical stability in the South China Sea region, doe that really sound fun?), but some are ok, and a small portion of those are good, and those are the ones we use! So, submit some ok topic ideas here, and help us make more ok videos!: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfUdlvw6YgU44J8AnM2U_ZvRMyvh_CUM51LYSqF5nYJB9d1-w/viewform?usp=sf_link
(also, if we use your topic, we'll send you a free HAI t-shirt)
Orthodox Jew here. Yeah, they're terrible. lol
This really was AWESOME to see, though. I grew up on the upper west side as an orthodox jew, and its super cool to see you making a video about this. A lot of our traditions can seem strange to an outside observer, so I'm really happy to see this
hi
I tried submitting some 😊
couldn't you have asked a jew? I would have been happy to correct your pronunciation and errors... or any of my rabbis or friends...
this is so wrong it hurts
Sounds like this whole no work thing really adds alot of work.
It's just work with extra steps
Exactly its exhausting especially on Thursday and friday.
Im an orthodox jew.
@@sebastiansosnowski3859 us jews are pretty good at that.
That's basically the Apostle Paul's whole argument about why Christians shouldn't feel compelled to follow the Law of Moses.
It's not work per se - there just isn't any English translation for it. "Creative work" is the best way IMO - and it doesn't even scratch the surface.
"So what do you do for work?"
"I turn on light switches for Jewish people."
when i was in the US on a work & holiday visa this is what Ive done in the Jewish orthodox communities. Some of them are really cool, they tip a lot :D
@@Slashplite
Do they tip on the Sabbath or after the Sabbath? Because that sounds like completing a transaction...
@@stylesrj heh, I had a similar thought when HAI mentioned the job. You'd probably best get a contract drafted and signed on Friday that states payment in full is to be made on Sunday
stylesrj we wouldn’t do anything that involves tipping, such as going to a restaurant or anything, since using money on shabbat is not permitted.
@@marlinlenchanteur4260 no we're allowed to flush, because it's not "creating something". Creating something probably sums up everything you're not allowed to do on the Sabbath
So i edited this now the replies won't make sense.
jk i wouldn't remove my genius from the world, here it is:
"Simple way to solve this: make a tiny circle fence, and say that it actually encloses everything outside"
- Some Rando, some time, some place, hotel trivago
_Invert Selection_
Saw that in a Numberphile video or I wouldn't have known what the heck you meant.
Dude thats genius
took me a couple seconds before realizing lmao
Now that's a brilliant idea
This reminds me a bit of the Roman tradition to declare war by going to the lands in question and, well, declare war to it. But when Roman influence grew, and war zones became more remote and you couldn't just wait for a messenger to travel there, declare war on it and come back, they thought of a workaround. They "gifted" the opponent a tiny piece of land outside of Rome, then threw a spear into it to declare war to it, then swiftly "annexed it" back. Technically they declared war onto the opponents land, so it was all good.
never let anything get in the way of a good tradition
Lmao
That is hilarious 😂
I hope this is true and that they could complete the whole thing in a day without actually giving any notice whatsoever to their actual newly minted enemy.
what the hell r u talking about
Here’s the rules.
Now figure out a way around them.
God never saw that coming.
bend the rules but don´t break them
Basically Judaism in a nutshell
Pretty sure that describes just about every set of laws out there
well at least they don't actually break them, Christians just ignore 90% of the bible
which isn't bad in itself, just mildly hypocritical
God: why were you carrying things on the sabbath?
Jews: well, you see, we actually encircled manhattan with a tiny wire
God: my bad fam, get into heaven
They were hilariously wrong about the number of eruvs we’ve snuck into North America.
Me: so how many virgins do I get
God: uh, broh, wrong religion!
Me: ah, my bad, was worth a try
God: well, even 1 virgin is more than you'd have right now! Haha! Burn!
@@cinemenico God: *literally smites you*
@@JohnD595 Just like you will ;)
Wait do jews even have heaven?
God: don't forget to chill once a week.
Humans: let's overthink this.
basically sums it up
Humans?
We have saying in Russia: "Make the fool to pray the god and he will crush his own forehead"
@@foodistzen what would you prefer to call them?
@@foodistzen if not humans?
You've gotta love creating a system of rules so intricate it takes up 63 volumes, only to then figure out that running an otherwise useless wire around an island is a magical loophole that lets you circumvent and ignore them.
This has to be one of the most "religions are crazy" examples I've ever seen...
I saw a Jewish person once describe Judaism as "arguing with god about the rules like he's your GM in D&D", and I've got a lot of respect for that.
Stop that. We don't want God to pull a "Rocks fall, everybody dies."
@@seigeengine he did that once already, to one of his earlier parties…
@@platiuscyndar9017 Well, considering how far off the plan that party went...
@@daveh7720 Hey, THIS time our dinosaurs will have LASERS and it will be EPIC.
That is a great description. There is even a story in the Gemara where the Rabbis are voting on how a law should be interpreted and one Rabbi is holding out and keeps on saying if I am right then let this miracle happen and it happens the majority keep going, that's nice but we aren't changing our minds, and it ends with God laughing in heaven and saying my children have beaten me.
just make a tiny wire and claim that everything inside is the outside, and everything outside is the inside, effectively rendering the entire world as "private domain"
Hahaha… especially doable because the earth is round.
That was Wonko the Sane's great idea.
The most sacred and protected wire in the world 🙏
Well does radio waves count? Now with all those satellites literally you get radio coverage of some sort around the entire globe
Underrated comment fo sho’.
"Maintaining the eruv's integrity is vitally important to its efficacy." - Right..... otherwise all of this would be totally ridiculous.
Every religion has aspects that, to those outside of it, seem odd
@@christopherconard2831 Yes and to those without any religion, they all seem dumb
@@christopherconard2831 More than odd. Nuts. All deistic religions are deranged.
coachafella All the texts may have as well been written by Aesop .
@@coachafella hence why I left religion, a lot of smoke blowing up your ass, and always asking for money...like a infomercial.
This feels like it defeats the entire purpose if you're just going to look for loopholes. That's like saying "I'm going on a diet to lose weight, but I can eat all the snacks I want if I do it at home."
Fits right in with 99.999999% of all religious people, full of S, cherry pick and twist the words of their doctrine to fit whatever lifestyle they want to live.
This is pretty much how I view everything related to religion.
"DoN't Do ThIS!"
"What if I (Eruv in this case)..."
"Oh thats completely fine."
That's the whole point of jews, all they do is trick their fake god
Judaism views trying to circumvent laws as pious, because it means you have studied them.
As a formerly religious Jew, the key here is that Orthodox Jews don't believe this is a loophole. They believe that the Torah (which in this case includes the Talmud) has no mistakes, and therefore every odd technicality, including the eruv, is perfectly intentional on God's part. Therefore, when they put up an eruv around Manhattan, this is as in keeping with God's law as claiming an itemized deduction for charitable donations is with American tax law.
Why would God add this sort of odd technicality? Who knows! Orthodox Jews also don't believe it's possible to know God's intent about anything unless the Torah spells it out directly.
Torah: Thou shalt not steal
New Yorker: Technically this is just insider trading
ROFL
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks
under rated comment
Aleksandr Kamarov anti-Semitic?
In what way?
You do know Semitic constitutes the Afro-Asiatic language family and its characteristics that include Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Ethiopic.
You do know stock trading is done by all races and creeds, nationality, etc. (or at least it’s illegal to discriminate as far as occupation).
You do know that even if the joke was about the Jews (since the video is mostly discussing Jewish law) it isn’t strictly Semitic.
If this is your desperate cry for pity, it’s not working. Trying to change the meaning of words to change history.
Semitic≠Jewish
I would respect your comment more if you just said Jew-ish.
Btw, the comment does read “NEW YORKER.”
@@Armadurapersonal please be bait
1st Rabbi: How do we get around this "no carrying" thing?
2nd Rabbi: I might have found a loophole.
1st Rabbi: A loophole? I think that might be an idiom from a language that doesn't exist yet. Explain yourself.
2nd Rabbi: Well, you see, if we just create a loop around all the places we might need to go, and we stay in the hole inside that loop, we can carry whatever we need! Et voila! A loophole!
Brilliant creative comment
@@dewolff6937 thanks!
1st Rabbi: What's "et voila"? I think that might be an idiom from a language that doesn't exist yet. Explain yourself.
@@thestarjon Rabbi 2: It means it is wrong to have (on the sabbath) eaten a violin in the past. Very inconvenient that. Your turn to come up with a loophole.
You actually can not carry everything! For example tools, electronics, money or credit cards, or anything that is not directly related to observing (as in resting) on the Sabbath. Its not really a loophole. Its an interpretation of jewish commandments. Think of these as adaptations rather than loopholes. Its like vegans and the “impossible burger”. It looks like a leniency, but its just an interpretation of what “meat” is or isn’t.
Imagine thinking God's like "ya got me there with that wire"
Imagine god cares about some naked apes.
@Ezequiel Ciamparella oh, sorry, I ment bold. In my language "naked" and "bold" spells equally.
Dems da rules
@Ezequiel Ciamparella fake news I'm naked right now
@@heyhoe168 I have hair tho
It's amazing that you can't ask someone for help with something because it's a sin, but you can arrange for it ahead of time
They can't say it directly but then can hint at it, like "it's dark" (for the goy to turn on the lights)
Psych!
So premeditated crimes would be fine, but not spontaneous crimes of passion.
amazingly stupid...
I suspect you can only arrange for it ahead of time if you don't do the arranging during the sabbath.
I just made an eruv, but the wire is facing outwards, which means the entire planet is considered inside of it except the small area that it takes up. Now Jewish people can carry anything whenever they want. You're welcome.
lol scratch cat
God Bless
God : Wait, you can do that ?
So you basically pulled a pro gamer move on God. Noice
That’s not much more ludicrous than the real explanation for these things.
HAI: "Like carrying your toaster from your bed to your --"
me: "Bathroom!"
HAI: "Living room."
Oh, that's the exact opposite.
Deldarel i think HAI doesn’t enjoy life as normal people we do. Toast in your bathroom is a classic 👌🏻
nice
@@ElJuansho I do suppose enjoying life is easier when you bring the toaster to your bathroom for the reason you gave.
@@ElJuansho Nothing beats a warm bath with a piece of toast, a glass of wine and a bath bomb, possibly toaster-shaped.
Underrated comment. Nice pun
The whole “not completing anything” thing seems a bit much. If they’re including circuits then shouldn’t stuff like sentences count? Breaths? Eye blinks?Rational thoughts? Cellular mitosis?! (That last one was a joke but you see where I’m going with this)
No ass wiping after #2🤣
@@000hayabusa and you cant finish whole number 2
@KHALIIL01 don't get started because you can't finish
@@crackedcandy7958 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
ROFL
They could avoid driving around and checking it by making it an electrical circuit and attach it to the Internet so everyone could check if the circuit was complete.
perhaps but then you would need more sensors to indicate where in the circuit the wire has failed
@ralphw3636 why would that be "needed".... he had a good idea and you had to add too it to feel special.
His solitution actually solved a problem you just need attention
@ralphw3636 Not necessarily. There are techniques that can be used to get at least a general idea of the length of a wire from one end by measuring how it responds to certain changes. Even beyond that, you could set up periodic "points" along the wire that can respond to queries (there is a technology called "1 Wire" that does this, but probably wouldn't work for this -- but the principles of how it works could still be used).
As a Jewish buddy of mine told me once,” being Jewish is all about Using cheat codes on God”
lmao
suppressing my attempts to remark
that the aforementioned claim
is not the case in Scriptural Judaism,
which used to be mainstream in Judaism
This did not go as I would have expected, I assumed it was related to a phone company or something
Same, and I'm actually a religious Jew, so it was quite a pleasant surprise for me. I grew up in Manhattan, utilizing that very eruv. I still live in a community with an eruv. they are everywhere, not just Manhattan
Well, it probably is related to a phone company.
@@wap0r1ze21 nope
I thought it might have something to do with a lost bet. If someone had said religious reasons I would have thought something protective....
Evan Jones lol really the second I saw the title I was like noooowayyyy a Jewish episode finally
Man, I love it when we trick god at a wordgame we made up. Really showcases the power of this omnipotent creator.
Loopholes are a reward for studying the rules closely enough to find them.
It's not "tricking God". He was pretty straightforward in His direction, and they took it to a whole, hyper-technical level. That's what humans do: they over-complicate the simple. We all know what "work" is and means.
You can shoot your neighbor if you read it right and make sure it’s the right day or the week and you’re inside some bs wire thing.
@@curiousbunny2573 so are they going to hell for carrying stuff on Sabbath 😟😂?
Q IS COMING!
Q IS COMING!
I had to deal with an Eruv line in North Hollywood, CA while doing street construction. There were even special requirements and meetings required for the project to assure the Eruv line was not damaged. The Rabbi was real nice and easy to work with. Just part of doing construction in the neighborhoods.
I live in a neighborhood with this in Pittsburgh (but am not Jewish myself) and this happens when there's a disaster/event that could damage the line, too! I can't remember what the event was in the last few years but there was special care taken to ensure the line was checked and secure afterwards.
certainly brother Shabbat shalom
If you were a real man you'd damage the eruv anyway
Another acceptable approach would have been to tell the religious nuts that other people needn't redo their lives to suit the religious person's batshit crazy ideas.
The rabbi was a real nice guy - sure, until you insisted on doing something he didn't like. Then he would have screamed bloody persecution.
Fuck those nut jobs.
@@darsyniaSquirrel Hill?
Jews be like “hmmm bet I can trick God with this one”
*kills jesus*
It's pretty pathetic. Their little tricks are simply their own righteousness. They're trying to make themselves holy in a way that God never asked them to do. How sad. Jesus came to straighten it out when he said the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given to us people 4 a day to spend with God and with others of like mind. It's a day to remember all the great things God has done. Yes we are to keep it holy and to not do any work but that's for our good in order to focus on him and his goodness and to share that time with other believers. It's a wonderful day of rest. It has nothing to do with whether or not you carry something on the Sabbath day! In fact Jesus said it is right to do good on the Sabbath day. That means that if someone happens to have a flat tire on the Sabbath and you know how help them out, you should stop and help them put their spare on. Or if someone was maybe driving with a load of something in the back of their pickup and they turn the corner and Spilled it all out on the road, pull over and help them pick it up. Or if someone's cows get out of their fence, help them get the cows back in even on the Sabbath day! Or if there's someone that is sick and needs some kind of medication and cannot wait, go to the store and buy it for them. Or if there is someone that hasn't had food and is hungry, give them food even if you have to go to the store and buy it. Those are the times when you can buy or sell on the Sabbath, when it's an emergency. Many times we would have food of our own that we could give people so we don't even need to buy anything. It's about resting in the Lord and sharing his goodness with others, that's what the Sabbath is about. It's not about our selfish petty little rules and acting like we're holier than everyone else! That's pretty disgusting and you can't trick God into thinking you're holy.
Jewish women cant show hair, so they wear wigs. There is a lot of God's Law workarounds in that religion.
@John McKay Nah dude, it's the opposite. The logic is that god is too smart to have left any loopholes accidentally. So if there's a loophole, god must want you to use it.
@@AlphaetusPrime Yeah my mind is blown.
So basically they used a legal loophole on god himself. I’m sure that will be a pleasant conversation in the afterlife.
Lmaooo
Yeah, except they made a loophole for an self-specified exception to an exception to a law.
God had nothing to do with this. It was just some bullshit that a bunch of old men obsessed with power came up with.
William Winder yeah, just like Christianity
Israel does translate to "He who (contends, fights, struggles) with God" which is kind of the whole point of Judaism.
If you're just going to think of ways to get around your own rules, wouldn't it be easier to make a small loop of wire, and declare everything *outside* the loop to be private space?
How dare you bring logic into religion!
Why would you worship something, you can outsmart, on a technicality?
that idea is just absolutely absurd
@@tvdinner325
The 4th commandment (3rd in Christian and Samaritan lore ) in the Torah is "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy"
It says nothing about not working.
@@tyaty I don't have an invisible friend, nor do I need one. You live some, and then you die. I try to be nice, and leave the place better than I found it. End of story.
Couldn't they make one small loop round a tree and argue that everything in the world is inside the loop, and only the tree is outside?
Unfortunately rabbis are not good at applying the rules for topology.
Ok Wonko the Sane!
Seems like a lot of effort to convince themselves they are not cheating.
That's why no one penalizes them for cheating. It's like flying machines in minecraft, it's hard to do that so no one cares that your breaking the laws of physics with some pulles and command blocks
Religion is full of people deluding themselves into believing that doing whatever they want is explicitly allowed in their religious texts.
Ex-Jew here: Yeah, it’s pretty stupid. And when you really get them to think about it, no one seems to think it makes much sense either, (at least in the orthodox circles I’m a part of,) and yet they still follow and don’t-quite-break the laws like they do.
@@coyotedomino Once senseless rules rules are broken, rules that make sense can be broken too as it breaks the rule that no rules must be broken. It can destroy the whole foundation of a religion or a way of life!
@@tslee8236 Or you can just not be an idiot.
Imagine a future employer looking at your resume, and seeing “Sabbath Goy”.
No worse than the tireless work of a Vampire Familiar.
This is every politician
@@steveH384 The wire is just a clever workaround, as though God isn't watching, but he is...
It's on mine.
Employer might assume u meant Black Sabbath guy
I've been a trucker for a long time & I could never figure out what that cable on top of the pole was. Now i know. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
And that raises the question, who runs manhattan?
@@de0509 why
@@de0509 bill de blasio
@@de0509 REEEE
HOW DARE THEY LEAVE THE GHETTO
REEEEEEEE
@@de0509 The jews
I don't get things like this because, like, do you think god will say "well, i wasn't gonna let you into heaven because you regularly did work on the sabbath, but i can see that you stayed inside a tiny wire fence, so it doesn't count"?
It feels like adhering to the Sabbath is more work than just working.
That’s what Jesus said.
@@igystrvigy where did he say that?
It can be sometimes lmao. It’s easier when you have a community around you helping though.
I mean they live for free so it doesnt really matter
🤣 🤣
So they made the rules AND the ways to go around the rules. Brilliant.
Good practice for skirting government's laws.
That's just spaghetti code like treating a religion. But wait that's another kind of religion humans came up. Switch on light. Make beings. Wash away all of that. God to the beginning.
As a Jew who basically doesn’t observe any Jewish law but knows a lot about it, that’s honestly EXACTLY how jewish law works.
brainey001
Sounds like the English common law system to me.
Steve Doe that is one of the central themes of thr religion though, the texts say you quite literally argue with god about the rules and like you would with a family member, try to create workarounds to satisfy him.
God: Hey guys, I know it's tough down there, how about taking a day off once a week to just relax?
Ultra Orthodox: I shall take it upon myself to commit every effort analyzing and carrying out the most exact possible meaning of the word "relax"
Ikr as a jew idk why its forbidden not to relax like let me go on my phone
@@loud4life920 Yeah, the thing is that religious rules never get adopted to the modern world (in no religion that I know). I can think of many rules that used to make sense, but which are not fit for purpose anymore. E.g. it makes total sense not to have sex before marriage if you don't have a social support system for single moms, don't have methods to prevent or treat STIs, and don't have contraception available. In modern days this doesn't apply anymore - at least not in industrialized countries. Also this not mixing meat and milk thing probably made a lot of sense, when these products where very limited, so people would limit themselves in meat and milk consumption. This is also not applicable anymore in industrialized countries, as milk and meat are very abundant. And I guess it's the same with the Sabbat: People should take a day off and not work in any way, but I don't think that this rule was intended to make the life of people more difficult. I guess if we were able to talk to the guy who made these rules up, he would be fine if we used an elevator or keys or electrical light - just don't do things that are not relaxing. Not being allowed to use computers and smartphones, however, could still be beneficial, because when there's virtually nothing you are actually allowed to do, it gives you time to self-reflect on yourself, which is something we do way to rarely in our modern world. People just function and do what they're expected to do, but they never find the time to reflect if the thing they're doing is actually worth doing and if it fills their life with joy or not...
@@fr89k i don't feel like reading your whole comment but i'm pretty sure i'm going to agree with the rest of it so take my like.
@@zyansheep I read all of it. I can confirm that it is reasonable.
The quirks of monotheism. 😂😂
I learned a lot of things on UA-cam. Many of them are quite interesting; quite a few turn out to be helpful in my daily life. But then there's the story of this wire ...
This is what happens when you're more concerned about the letter of the law than obeying the intent of the law, which is to give people a day of rest.
Exactly what i want to comment.
Yeah, elephants won't work on their day of either!
I agree. I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and we believe in Sabbath day observance. However, we believe that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It was given to us for our benefit, to allow us a day to set aside the worries of day-to-day life and focus on our relationship with God and our worship of Him. When it comes to working on Sunday, we believe that it should be avoided as much as possible, but that some professions may require Sunday work, such as healthcare, law enforcement, emergency services, and public transportation. We’re encouraged not to conduct business on Sunday, nor to engage in recreational activities. Many of us choose not to study or do homework on Sunday. In short, it’s meant to be a day of rest and worship. How exactly we observe the Sabbath is between ourselves and the Lord.
Sean Davila the sabbath is not on Sunday you idiot and it even isn’t actually called the sabbath you are indoctrinated by your cult go get an education
@@joshchavers7391 why the hate
What is the point of “God’s rules”, if you do nothing but try to circumvent them.
It keeps your mind busy so you don't have enough time to question why the fuck you're doing any of this.
The rules probably weren't originally meant to be this strict. They were probably meant to be practical rules meant to enable rest, so "carrying" probably meant carrying heavy objects. Unfortunately, religions tend to develop fundamentalist strands and lose original context, so some people ended up interpreting "carrying" to mean carrying any object, hence the use of eruvs to create "private" domains that encompass suburbs.
Free Indeed Every single old country has its share of old out-dated laws, such as public executions. It is not just religion that was insane, but pretty much everyone with power as well. However just like France no longer executes people on a whim, religious laws like those are no longer used either.
Free Indeed My nigga. “they are in the bible in the first 5 books” yeah? How does that somehow mean “you must take this 100% literally”? The Old Testament is a compilation of revelations given to ancient Israelites. the Bible isn’t some step by step instruction manual that, when taken literally, applies to every single person who ever existed at any time throughout history. Its deeper meanings do, but ancient ritual commands to a poor ex-slave ancient Hebrew dont apply to a modern middle class White dude lol
Almost like being a natural born lawyer
sooooo. instead of following their religion, they spend thousands of dollars a year in ways to "fool" the system?
A system that they created to honor those they worship?
Convenience
No. Judaism is much more complicated than a short youtube video can explain.
The commandmant in the Torah says only to rest on the seventh day. In order to understand what that includes and what you are actually supposed to do there is the Talmud.
The Talmud brings the thought process of big Rabbis and the bottom line of what they see as right.
In this case they didn't specify the weight or bulkiness of the thing you want to carry, just no carrying anything from private prop. to public. And since it's gotten important, other Rabbis found a loophole that allows you to carry belongings without a worry.
So this is not defying g-d himself, but adding an interpretation to his command.
Judaisim is a strict religion with many little details that have been studied for over 3000 years. Till this day it's all relevant and adjustable to modern times.
Yeah pretty much, just think they could save thousands if they stopped believing.
@@renanacohen2584 Yeah, no. That's a clear violation of the spirit of the law. Ask anyone in new york if the sidewalk is public private or provate property, and, clothesline perimeters not withstanding, they will correctly determine it to be public. Not that the law has been observed in general since the destruction of the second temple.
@@P-Sides Wow, so you don't see the important symbolism of Ishmael and Isaac, or Jacob and Esau? How one can be a child of Abraham by blood, but not children of his promise? How those who believed the messiah at his coming inherited his promise, and became his children by faith, being adopted into the household of the everlasting king of glory? Notice that it is always the firstborn and presumptive heir who is passed over in favor of the one whom God as chosen, just as a multitude of Israelites believed themselves as chilldren of Abraham to be the presumptive heirs of his covenant, but only those whom God had moved to supernatural faith recieved his blessing.
This is not alt all to say that those who were jews by blood were in anyway excluded, because Christ, Peter and the other apostles, Paul, and all the very first Christians were Jewish. It is also prophesied that after the gentiles begin to lose the faith and leave the Church (we are at about this point in the story now) that the Jews will finally convert and accept the messiah their fathers had rejected, and for this rejection were driven into a diaspora which has dwarfed all prior exiles. For the record, his name isn't "Jacob the deceiver" but Saint Israel or Jacob the Patriarch.
As an observant Jew who randomly stumbled upon this I can’t help but smile. You did a fantastic job explaining and loved the jokes added in.
I think we Jews have missed the point
Worry more about the people observing Jews.
@@voidedspace5510I think you're correct. I tried to ask a respectful question, it's gone immediately.
That means, hide knowledge! C e n s o r s h I p!
@@Rebecca-1111 Guess who we can ironically thank for that?
@@WinterInTheForest lol I can't say. ☺ It's who you can't talk about
Wow, the faithful finding a way to break their own rules, imagine that.
It seems to be common with many religions.
Yeah, that is a lot of money.
OY VEY!
You my friend are a genius.
This seems to be inherent in all the major religions otherwise how else would we have all this persecution and wars.
Me: doing my homework
HAI: wanna hear about a thin wire around Manhattan
Who does homework in 2020? Y'all at home cause of covid
Alexander X yep. So all kids do now is homework. School is still on, my dude.
@@voxbury I've never seen the appeal of calling people dude but I think I might just start using "my dude "
I'd guess all the kids who want to pass. While most kids who aren't on a bubble will be viewed as able to transition to the next grade realistically even in areas where a heavily supervised form of school will expand to the general student population it might then become not possible again. So given even in the best case scenario time to universal access to a vaccine I 'd think doing homework is important.
Kids lose 5 months of school over the summer holiday . So at the rate this is going you wouldn't want to risk sliding all the way back to what you learned in grade 1 ..
Although at least you are in a semi-educational bit of youtube, So now write an essay on it and call it a day.
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So basically the entire Jewish religion was based on the concept of "rules as written" rather than "rules as intended" and then they started writing more rules...
@@olivier6840 True, but now we're at the level where we need God's revelation to understand what humans really meant...
Hence why Apostle Paul said that Christ's Death and Resurrection rendered the Law of Moses Null and Void - to stop Jewish Converts from forcing The Law on new Gentile Converts.
@SLOWPOKE RODRIGUEZ the same human perception that created god.
No.
As someone currently studying Talmud in a yeshiva, the religion is based on both orthopraxis and orthodoxy. Summarizing it the way you did, while accurate on some parts, completely throws away loads of concepts in both Jewish law and Jewish ethics.
@@_blank-_ That reply was gold
LMAO "Hell's Kitchen" is a real place?!
The name is so ridiculous I thought it was made up in Daredevil 😂
yes and no, when people say "hells kitchen" they ARE talking about a real place though that isnt the actuall name of the place
its like calling your friend thomas "t-dog" that ISNT his name yet every friend of thomas will know who youre talking about and you are still talking about a real person
another example would be "big apple" the name isnt on any map (AFAIK) but it still refers to a real place namely newyork
Religion: These are the rules, observe them
People: These are the rules, swerve them
Maybe rewrite them and consider the atmosphere as the metaphorical fence?
That would require logic and reason. Don't you know god can't tell if a wire is around the city or you are indoors??
Well in this case the Rabbis made the law stricter, and put caveats in place for the law they just made. The one thing he didn't mention in this video is that an Eruv does NOT work for a public domain, only a "karmelis" which is only considered public by the same Rabbis who said you can put an Eruv up.
Freakin jewz
@MosesBad maybe be done with insults once and for all. If you insult someone, the one person who dies is you.
Well the Earth's magnetosphere can be a private domain with a little bit of imagination *winks*
God : "Shabbah is for relaxing. Don't go to work."
Rabbis: "Oh so we have to encircle our whole city with a wire to carry stuff?"
God : "what? No I meant-"
Rabbis : "NO TURNING THE LIGHTS ON RIGHT?"
"We have so much respect for our religion that we are going to try and trick God with this wire"
More like tricking themselves.
@@lw7238 yeah exactly. and tbh it's kinda sad that it got to this point
That's Talmudic Judaism to a tee.
If they think they can cheat God...
True. This feels to me like they know that they want to stay with their religion, but they also know that this law sucks so they are kinda cheating with it. So then, a question pops up in my head: Why they just dont screw up that law or stop being part of that religion. Lol 🙃
reminds me of how medieval monks would get around food restrictions. Like during lent they weren't allowed to eat meat, but fish was okay, so they simply classified things like puffins and beavers as fish.
Reminds me of small children who make up ridiculous "rules".
Only they forget about them, and eventually grow up.
It's obviously so sea bears can't get in.
“That’s an oval, it has to be a circle!”
@Nuclear Panda u can like now
@raffle baffle "what did i do that time?"
I gonna to kill somebody if this doesn’t get top comment
Have you ever seen a sea bear in Manhattan? See it obviously works.
I've always wondered why a lot of Jews get into law. After learning all the rules their religion has, and how they circumvent those rules, I now understand.
Part of the worship of the religion is to argue to word of God.
It's also why Israel has no written constitution. The secular and Orthodox Jews literally couldn't stop arguing about it.
@@19MAD95 It's to argue about how to interpret the word of God
"Israel" literally means "to wrestle with god"
@@jonc5522 And God/YHWH/Allah is one of the biggest heels ever.
There's a very important point that's being ignored. TL;DR version: It's not finding ways around Biblical rules, it's Rabbis building loopholes into their own overly-strict stringencies.
The Biblical prohibition only forbids carrying through specific types of public areas (public thoroughfares where many thousands of people pass daily). The Rabbis later made a stringency forbidding people from carrying through *any* non-private space, to prevent people from accidentally crossing a public thoroughfare. They then decided that this was too strict, so they made this loophole *around their own stringency*, but only when properly prepared (thereby making sure people think about where the permitted and forbidden areas are, decreasing the likelihood that one would cross a public thoroughfare accidentally). So it's not a loophole to get around God's word, it's a loophole to get around a Rabbinic stringency. The eruv does not allow one to carry over a public thoroughfare (such as a highway), as this would be a Biblical prohibition.
A lot of Judaism is like this.
Does "public thoroughfare" include subways?
Silent Drew it wouldn’t matter since they can’t pay on Sabbath so they can’t use subways
There are no highly frequented public thoroughfares in Manhattan?
@@oriepstein8818 but you can walk over a subway.
Excellent question! And because of that many Orthodox Jews will not even rely on the eruv in the incredibly populous Manhattan. This is the opinion of the most renown American rabbi of the last century, who himself was a resident of Manhattan’s Lower East Side.
Thanks for explaining. I saw it mentioned in a film once but had clue what they were referring to. I used to work in Hackney (East London), which had a huge Orthodox Population. I wish I learned more about their customs.
WELL IT AIN'T A FREE SHOP, INNIT
*"Ancient problems require modern solutions"*
The Eruv is more than 3000 years old. It was in the mishnayos that were mentioned in the video which was written around 2000 yrs ago with information that had been passed orally from mt sini
The real modern part was only the using the thing wires from telephone poles and street lights, everything else has existed for a while.
Who else is picturing an ancient Jew encircling a town in yarn, and incanting: _"Hippity Hoppity, this is now My Property!"_ ? 😂
@@interstellarsurfer yarn probsbly wouldn't count, it needs to be of sufficiently sturdy material.
Imagine trying to get around God's commandments with a
"uhm...well, technically..."
"I didn't kill him. The knife did"
And this ability to rules lawyer is all thanks to eating a forbidden fruit. To bad the effects of it took time to kick in. If it had been instant we would still be in Eden.
The weird part is there is no commandment that says you can't carry things. The commandment in question literally states that you work for six days then you, your family, your employees, and your guests must not work on the seventh day. It was some group of old dudes in a dark room who interpreted "do not work" as "not allowed to do anything except exist".
@@jtqthetieman Actually, I think you just hit the nail on the head. If all you have to do on the Sabbath is to exist, then perhaps all you have left is to sit and pray while contemplating God.
The stupid thing is, they bother with this wire crap because taking your keys with you when you leave your house is "technically" work.
They circumvented this inconvenience that was there to begin with because of a technicality, with technicality.
imagine a whole community decided to play "the floor is lava" once a week because...tradition?
That would make people way happier, and easy going?
I’d be down for that lol
How does every kid that ever existed know about the lava game? They were playing it circa 3000 BCE
@@drakonidesthevigilant5155 Pompeii held the 1st Annual Floor is Lava Championship. Few cities have bid on hosting the games ever since.
@@NDN_FTR one hell of a championship. lol. Did they have a winner though.🤷♂️
What does the second word at 4:02 mean? And why whenever I type it on UA-cam does my comment get immediately blocked by the profanity filter? Can you explain what the second word is and why it's offensive enough we're banned from saying it?
All you had to do was enter it on Google search. It has 2 meanings. Nation is apparently the direct Hebrew meaning/translation, or a slang (derogatory) name for someone who isn't Jewish. Which explains why it's blocked.
Classic religion:
- Invent a pointless rule
- Find a way to go around the pointless rule you have invented, even though you _are_ still technically violating it
- Pretend like it was supposed to work that way so you don’t have to fear going to hell or whatever for carrying your keys
Don't try to make rules that were made thousands of years ago in a world that is very diferent than the one that existed when this rules were writen
Bruno Lopes nailed it!
@@carso1500 english?
There is no hell in Judaism, and observance of Shabbat varies depending on if you're Reform/Reconstructionist, Conservative, Orthodox, or Sephardic or Mizrahi. The laws are originally much older than the Mishnah. This video is full of misinformation about Jewish life.
@@IslandKate you're definitely just thinking of Christianity lol
I love how the rule of not carrying is so unimportant that a workaround for a workaround is acceptable, but should that workaround be dislodged or cut then it's the worst thing that could have possibly happened.
Here's an idea: make a tiny circle of wire, declare the inside of it to be "outside", and never worry about carrying restrictions again.
But it will not help with real estate prices in Manhattan
That's smart. Actually, I think it's too smart. You would burn in hell for trying to circumvent the rules. Sure, the wire is also a way to circumvent the rules; but it's also painful and costly to mantain, so it fells like you have maintained the balance..
YES! thinking the same, just keep making the circle so big it encompasses the earth = tiny circle 👍
You outsmarted a whole community.
I studied the talmud and the Jewish law, and I had the exact same question!
But in short there are many issues with that, one being that it cannot enclose oceans..
Also there is a limit to how big the area enclosed can be, and that is why many Jewish authorities actually don't use the Manhattan Eruv,
And actually some people never use any eruvs unless it's very important..
I worked for a Jewish architect, years ago. We were both workaholics, which suited us fine. Then one day he upset the status quo as he'd just finished some Rabbi training and he asked me to stop working on Saturdays, but I could come in on Sunday. I said I had to go to church on Sunday (not really as I was normally in his office), but that if I took the work home on Fridays, I would be happy to work Sundays, after church. I knew better than to say I would work Saturday too. We got along beautifully and for years after that, even though I'd moved onto other companies (and his competition), I would still freelance for him in the evenings and weekends, from the comfort of my home.
If they made it out of silver, it would probably keep vampires away too, missed opportunity there...
If vampires existed, they could just walk under it like everyone else. It’s not a curtain of silver that they couldn’t pass through, it’s a wire. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They wouldn't be able to leave that area then...
It'll surely repel werewolves too then
Fortunately for everyone on earth, no vampires or gods exist
@@nah-y4e
>creatures that drain life from you
>don't exist
🤔
Best part of the video is when he explains the Synagogues pay for the wire themselves. As a taxpayer, I approve.
I know. I felt the outrage melt away when he said that.
Pfft. 501c3 status is worth more than a few grand a year. No property taxes in Manhattan: priceless.
Yeah, it's great living in someone else's symbols, huh?
As moronic as it is, if they pay for it, I'm happy for it to be there.
LMFAO where you think Synagogues get they money from...where you think the people who donate to synagogues get they money from
I've only read the Wikiped article on the matter, but I believe what makes the eruv work is as follows:
So what's needed to enclose a private domain is a wall. But walls can have doors.
So what is a door? It's a doorway. Two posts, or jambs, and a top bar, or lintel.
Hence this design. Each of these posts around Manhattan is a door jamb, and the wire, lying atop them, is very long lintels. It's a very long wall that is mostly doorway, but it is a wall.
That's some mental gymnastics
@@chrischong6613 That's Judaic law, baby. It's all arguments, all the way down, and if you think religious law is boring then you should see what some of these rabbis say about each other in the Talmud's margin notes and historical record.
@@InchonDM even crazier is what they say about goyim in the Talmud. Hopefully that never gets out into the public!
Thank you. Everybody else in these comments has literally no idea how Talmudic law works, what Sabbath-observance looks like, or why this has nothing to do with “tricking God”
@@toraesthetic8578, Of course, we don't. But we do know a what scam is.
I love how they find a work-around for one of the most pleasant rules to follow, but not for like, misogyny or anything like that
Wow, an absurd solution to a ridiculous interpretation of a law that they made up themselves.
Organized religion.
Lol
thats pretty much religion in a nutshell. Also spending money on completely pointless things
GOD GAVE MOSES THE COMMANDMENTS, DEFICIENCY IN WISDOM IS THE SHOWING OF ONE THAT IS NAIVE.
@@elderoachay k, Capslock warrior.
Ah yes, the entirety of Manhattan.
A private domain.
Oy vey! Who do you think own the property on Manhattan?
@@gerwantofrivera3725 The Jews?
It all makes sense now.
So, since I have seen four stories on this in the last 10 years, the next thing I want to see is something that does not brush off all the little carve-outs and instead researches why they exist and explains them for real.
Yes, an area with 3x the population of Wyoming. All private.
Being an Orthodox Jew just sounds like life on extra hard mode.
LngVly22 it’s true, don’t become Jewish, lol-
Sincerely, a Jew
Word, 😂 but Orthodox Jews do it anyways because they believe this world was meant for working hard, in order to earn their place in the world to come based exactly according to the effort put in
Hard? I think the word you're looking for is dumb. Definitely dumb. Maybe stupid. But mostly just dumb.
There are a few cheat codes if you study enough Gemara
There are some subgroups within the Orthodox Judaism that is even more strict. Hasidic Jews being one of them.
God be like, "Damn, I didn't think of the string trick..."
So let me get this straight:
There is a single line of wire around Manhattan because Jews are not allowed to carry stuff outside their home on Saturdays?
So this is basically the Anti Sea Bear Circle from Spongebob?
As a Jew, yes.
There are thousands of them around and in city's in Israel
Right. If you look real hard you might see it. But it helps to know where it is first.
How many sea bears have u seen there hm?
Yes, lol
This seems like a massive cheat on the whole "worshipping God" thing.
its seems fucking stupid imo, like whats the point?
@@Legendaryium about as pointless as the rest of all these milenia old laws that make 0 sense.
In 2100 NASA will launch the first orbiting eruv, rendering the whole sabbath thing obsolete.
The entire point of our religion is to argue, why do u think we have so many different rabbis
@@Legendaryium Welcome to all religions.
Religion Logic 101
:
Let's create an arbitrary rule that affects our way of life, then let's make up a loop-hole work-around so that the rule doesn't affect our lives.
D Y
I think it’s important to recognize that it’s different people that make the rules that those that break them.
Like wearing a mask in public, except not?
Live and let live
They didn't make the rule bro
@@snowshoes343 Not really, though. Jews invented them, and jews invented ways to break them. Yes, of course, different *individuals*, but within the context of a single group with (supposedly) single goal in mind. Both the rule and the loophole were invented with the goal of pleasing god in mind, from within the same invented belief system.
This is hilarious in just so many ways.
So they're shooting for a technicality in God's law? Sounds like a bad strategy.
they better have a lawyer that's out of this world
Probably why they’re all going to hell. 🤣
J/k. Whatever you believe, go for it. This sounds pretty dumb and slightly unholy though, IMO.
That's "God's chosen" for you
@@nolanlandent4570 this is not something common amongst jews. Some of the jewish orthodox tend to use this, but thats it
I went and asked a rabbi about this, he told me that god put the loopholes in as a reward for understanding the rules.
"We need to follow these arbitrary rules mandated by this all-powerful god; but it's ok, we can cheat and the god won't be upset at us"
...
I'd say you nailed it, but I'd rather not get smited by Him for agreeing with you. You're on your own, bud.
Not quite, they believe that God made the rules, but he also gave man the job of interpreting and trying to understand them.
@@1slotmech Well you're screwed because I am privy to revealed wisdom that you will be smote if you don't do/believe the opposite of whatever you are doing/believing.
It's too bad we have to worry about all these gods instead of just looking at a wire on a pole and saying "that's stupid".
Jorge Emrys Landivar If they believe god made the rules for them to interpret them why not re-interpret them to be a little more logical and less restrictive?
Cool Shadow This is called the conservative movement, and most of us agree that the orthodox rules, which are mostly Rabbis making a fence around the fence around the fence on the core 613 mitzvot, are more restrictive than necessary
Like many others here, I really don't see the point of insisting on following the rules when they're working this hard to circumvent them.
I know right if they wanted to follow the rule they would just stay at home
Its a rabbinical law so its this happens if it was plain written in the Torah it wouldn't be a thing
@@CristianGomez-yu8gp Theres a pandemic joke in here somewhere :)
It's because Jews aren't actually jews and they're fully aware of that
Because religion.
2:18
Yes, I'm sure these example walls are made *only* to prevent this rule and not to continue the establishment of an apartied oppression of a native ethnic group...
There is no native ethnic group.
Fun fact, I thought female Jews were called shebrews until I was like 17.
Lmfao
Not unlike the chocolate bars called "HIMHEES".
wtf
Well they definitely should be
Seems like they at least should've been at some point
Why bypass religious laws when you can bypass the whole religion?
Edit: I'm not atheist. I was just pointing out how stupid it is to morph religious laws to your suiting. If the religion means so much to you, then follow it to the full extent. Who are you fooling by this? God?
They carry they religión because it means a lot to them as a culture, but as an atheist I understand you
It is said that as much as the Jews have kept the Sabbath, the Sabbath has kept the Jews.
Basically, all these observances and rituals and, yes, even outright rules is what makes them who they are, and has allowed them to survive so much... stuff... from four thousand-ish years ago until today.
I think there's definitely some truth to that. It's a faith that promotes literacy, skill with numbers, a good understanding of legality... Not to mention the morality, the good treatment of animals, widows, children, etc. I think it's overall probably been a net benefit for the world. If everyone on the planet had to believe the same thing, obviously I'd prefer my own faith first, because I'm biased, but if not then agnosticism, followed by Jainism (very chill dudes) and Sikhism, then Judiasm, then the other Protestant denominations that aren't my own, and then somewhere far at the bottom is Scientology and other big dangerous cults like that.
But yeah the Torah is pretty neat.
because then they would be completing something...
Cristian Gomez
He is not wrong. I mean... he has a point, if it means so much to them, why do they creat this systems to make themselves believe that they are not failing to their sabbath? Why they just don’t do nothing and wait until is Sunday?
@@kevinscroggins797 Or they could just rename the day.
"No work allowed on Saturdays? Fine by me. What's that 'Saturdays' you're speaking of anyway?"
Thank you for doing this Sam, I really enjoyed watching you trying to explain the very complicated concept of Eruv! Great job! Orthodox Jew here, don't worry about the mispronunciations, the effort counts!
אני משכים איתך, אבל איך הוא מדבר עברית זה מצחיק, לא? שבת שלום!
@@1998tkhri אבל הוא ניסה כך שזה נחשב! שבת שלום!
LETS GO, FIRST HAI VIDEO I ACTUALLY ALREADY KNEW ABOUT!!
Couldn't I just walk around with a hoola-hoop
if its a kosher hoola hoop blessed by a rabbi standing on his head.
You could modify the keys into a garment that you wear, since articles of clothing aren't forbidden by the "hotzaah" rule
Portable territory is a new concept even today :)
you could just make a tiny circle in your apartment and tell yourself that the outer part is the part that's encircled instead of the smaller side. That way you could circumvent it all over the world except in that circle.
@@Rikard_Nilsson oh my, you are technically correct, but if it was a technical thing then these would not exist.
Interesting, but quite a ridiculous waste of energy, time, finance, und faith.
I don't think you can waste faith. It's sort of inherently a waste already.
thats your perspective, another perspective could be watching and commenting on youtube is a waste of energy, time, and finance....not sure how anything could be a waste of faith...you either got it or you dont...maybe your back and forth...i dont know how it can be wasted. probably due to my lack of faith, i definitely have wasted to much time, energy and money on youtube today...so im out.
Considering the number of people who make use of it, and how valuable they find it to be, it probably is pretty cost efficient.
Und
But a giant step for religidiocy.
Being mathematically minded, when the video talks about how this loop originally only encompassed a small section of Manhattan and then was later expanded in size - I immediately thought about the possibility of expanding the loop to the extreme...
Encompass all of USA, then all of America, then expand the wire around the entire Earth - once the wire separates the Earth into two equal parts any further expansion of the loop will make the wire length shorter - ultimately as the original loop is expanded to include the entire Earth the wire ends up reducing to an infinitesimal small loop somewhere in the Indian Ocean and dissappears completely. At this limit the annual cost of maintaining the wire loop will drop to zero.
I guess this would be a way of creating the ultimate loop hole🙂
Classic math joke; make a small loop, and declare the small part to be the outside, and everything else the inside.
Brilliant. I had my gf watch this video then read your comment. As she read she wore a gently bemused expression up until the pun at the end, at which point her face morphed into one of utter disgust and betrayl. Made my day, cheers.
Us Jews don’t have enough money do to this, it would cost to much to maintain, and anyway the only sizeable orthodox community’s are mainly in big cities so…
@@whlewis9164 Orthodox Jews are willing to follow the law as defined by a wire. Cartels tend to ignore laws.
If you have any serious respect for God, what do you suppose He thinks about this 18 mile piece of wire specifically designed to get around the original purpose of the commandment requiring rest on the 7th day?
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." Exodus Chapter 20
Remember..."The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." 1st Samuel Chapter 16.
LOL! Semantical trickery is one of the greatest inventions ever.
Sounds like the dumbest and most wasteful bending of the rules I’ve ever heard.
Yeah
It’s kinda weird though bc it’s like breaking their gods law but making it up so they “aren’t” breaking it
They had to invent lawyers to come to terms with their religion. lol
Seems like a stupid religion 😂
TooMany Letters - All of them are stupid
This is painfully stupid. They literally made up all these rules themselves then had to make up loopholes to get around their own rules 😂
That’s religion for ya!
This is why I pay no attention to what most ancient rabbis said. If you worship and obey god, do what god said, not a bunch of people who were ,supposedly, experts on interpreting his will. If it has a business in it, it is NOT all a private area in gods eyes. The wire is therefore irrelevant. If you break gods commands, at least confess it and beg mercy, don't try to make up a pitiful excuse like this. I won't tell you to go oat and slaughter a lamb as penance but seriously, stop being stupid.
I know. It's rather beautifully Hebrew. It has a sort of inside out logic that I find deeply satisfying.
To me it's a way of negotiating to be both compliant with the law and at the same time have things work practically.
Reminds me of the law.
@@robertbilling6266 It is your day of rest, you are supposed to be resting and praying. You may buy or make what you will eat that day, but that is generally the limit of work on a sabbath. (originally buying was forbidden but as it is now much less work than making it yourself, it seems ridiculous) The only real exception is for the temple staff who serve god as their job and are thus mostly exempted.
Little do they know, they actually created a giant wire around the entire rest of the world and their spot is actually the only unprotected space.
That’s so clever lol
It depends upon whether the wire is going clockwise or counterclockwise. But I'm not going to tell you which it is in case god is reading these comments.
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lol but eruv has size limit
@@sagigaming The size of a whole damn city though, damn that's a loose limit...
And suddenly the Name “Daily Wire”makes so much more sense.
kinda defeats the whole point of putting forth rules if they're so inconvenient and unnecessary that you yourself develop loopholes for them
Welcome to religion
I think it’s meant as a form of appeasement to god. Go back 2000 years and there was human sacrifice for the same purpose. Just crazy.
It's not their laws it's God laws. And what has man always wanted to do to God Law's and not feel awful about it? Circumvent them.
This applies to everyone who tries to bring down God standards to fit their questionable lifestyles.
Except this particular law is 100% attributed to humans. Granted, they were barely human, being religious leaders, but the fact remains that this law wasn't gifted to humanity like the 10 commandments supposedly were. A bunch of rabbi's got together and yelled at each other a bunch n came up with the whole damned crazy list of rules. Insanity.
That’s how it always goes. Why are churches okay with gay marriage now? Religion is a bunch of picking and choosing.
There are regular conflicts over eruvs on Long Island. Neighborhoods try to prevent the construction of an eruv, in order to discourage the Orthodox, with their huge families, from moving in.
No one wants cultists moving into their neighborhood.
@@Connection-LostHitler apologia is still bad. Wtf is wrong with you?
Sabbath Goy is like a vampire’s human servant who can go out in sunlight.
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All vampire myths are based on Jews
@pullupseattle they get paid for the work
@@Superabound2 noseferatu
i was thinking that too.
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Why there's *TWO tiny wires encircling Manhattan!
Watching the video, that's actually a horrible thing to say. Huh.
@@iancrone2906 snip snip
The effect religion has on people is so fascinating. Somehow millions of people are convinced that switching a light or placing wire around the city is important to their god.
I will never understood people who do thins kind of stuff.
It’s very simple. People want to remember their culture and where they came from so they keep the same traditions to remember who they are. They carry it honorably. Blind faith can be very beautiful, giving people someone to believe in and something to thank, its very humbling and nice. Taking a symbolic time to only be around your family and history could be very meditative and that’s why it still exists.
Not to their God, but to their religion. If they cared anything about their God, they would be fully on board with the spirit of the law and the letter of it. Instead it's mostly an ethnic/cultural thing, so being "observant" only in the most convoluted, trivial way gets them by for having their unique identity.
notmyrealnameify , Look at humans now, Keeping 6 feet away from others, wearing masks and gloves, If someone from 2000 year ago would see you they would say the same about you. Only after learning what a virus is and how it can pass on to others you can understand it, the same here, people need to learn and live it to fully understand. A UA-cam video is just a taste.. Humans are always learning new things. Hopefully one day we'll understand all things :)
Not all Jews believe and do that..... just like in Christianity, Islam and pretty much every other religion - Judaisem has many different streams.
Some are more religious than others, some choose to listen to the words of different rabbis, some don't listen and believe to rabbis at all.
As a Jew even I sometimes don't understand why some people do that, but we have a saying: "A man in his believes will live"
My Eruv brings all the boys to the yard
(As long as the Eruv was sufficiently long enough to encompass a sufficiently large area in which the boys already were existing, and the movement of said boys stayed within the Eruv itself)
Cute, but boys are free to walk all over the place. They'd only need the eruv to come to your yard if they're carrying something with them.
@@bimyouna the milkshake
@@KaiVidaliVIP I mean, they get the milkshake WITHIN the yard, however, I suppose they could not take the milkshake outside of the yard
@@briannem.6787 just as long as they don't bring any basar/fleishig along with that milkshake or otherwise we're totally screwed.
This seems like an ultimate amount of loop holes and work around that its just easier to change the law
I feel that all religions are a little silly, but not adjusting to the times seems really silly. How do religions address air travel or spaceflight?
They wrap some string around the airplane's seat.
nah it's just Judaism, most religions don't have these string wire terms and conditions.
Noah Weinberger thank you. Sometimes I wish my workday was only 90 minutes.
Nobody cares. Almost no one believes in the abrahamic religions. Many people say they do, but they do NOT. Most never even read the texts they supposedly believe in.
Which is good. The ancient religious texts are, well, ancient. That includes ancient in accuracy and morality.
It is just the very few, many of which becomes atheists, that actually read the texts.
To most people, a religion is like a club. See it as a community. Not an actual belief.
@@shamirarshad1867 No, it is every single religion. If you follow the holy text to a T it's all equally stupid. Like muslims and christians can't eat pork or wear different types of fabric.
as an observant Orthodox Jew, I would like to just clarify how this works.
The Torah says that you cannot carry from a privet domain to a public one, like the video says.
however, the eruv is NOT making a public domain into a privet one. for an area to be considered a public domain it needs to have 600,000 people pass through it daily. then there is a third classification added by the rabbis called a carmilas, which is an area not surrounded by walls. and the rabbis forbade carrying things within it lest people by mistake think its a privet domain when it could be a public one (depending on the number of people passing through daily). Together with this new classification of a carmilas they also said that you can but walls around it (the number of walls and the form of the walls are very complicated so I won't get into it here) then you can now carry within it.
Because of this, many Jews actually do not hold of the Manhatten eruv since there are most probably more than 600,000 passing through it in a day. some people even go to the extent of not using eruvs within cities at all due to the other opinion that a public domain is a street wider than 16 amos which equals to about 30 feet.
if want to see just how complicated this is here is a link to the alter rebbe's code of law.
www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4051002/jewish/The-Laws-of-Eruvin.htm
P.S. thanks so much for doing this video it was very nice to see my traditions on your video.
Thanks for clarification.
I'm a software developer and even to me this seems way too complicated.
And, to be honest, kind of a kludge pileup.
Yup I'm also a religious jew it was so good having hai butcher my language🤣
Ah yes chabbd.org the only good Jewish website that's in English and hebew.
Take your orthodox social, psychological, and emotional manipulation and shove it!!
Those directions seem way too complex. I would just stay in bed all day to avoid doing anything wrong.
This is like religious tax evasion
jose acosta we should all be thankful to not be Jewish
Isn't religious tax evasion just called tax evasion
@@cosmicreciever edgy 😂
@@cosmicreciever Sadly religions generally don't need tax evasion...they just don't have to pay tax.
It's tax evasion evasion.
@@_Piers_ lmao so when speedrunners find a better route that makes a skip obsolete and call it a 'skip skip'
Sam using a toaster as an example of what can be carried is hilarious as there's a completely different rule saying you can't carry a toaster