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Great video. Take us with you on that journey back to AM5 with another video series please. Compare your 2024 experience to the 2023 experience thoroughly. This would be so helpful especially bc you kept the AM5 parts from last year. So seeing if the same parts work fine now would be great
i have 7200 mhz ram speed with my am5 motherboard and it works very well and it surpasses 6000 mhz ram if you set up the flck mlck correctly its an interesting concept to go post 7200 on am5 currently i think it might become even better on next gen amd.
despite the much lower power usage,the temps i saw was on par with i7 class intel cpu's with higher wattage..not an intel fanboy tho,dont get me wrong.
@elinbarrage9638 I enabled pbo with voltage offset at -20 and a silver soul 135 wouldn't exceed 75c under the heaviest stress testing. I had the exact same result with noctua NH-D15. I was blown away with this.
@@elinbarrage9638 thats because of the smaller ihs and extra die thickness because of the vram. a decent single tower cooler should still be enough to cool it tho compared to most intel chips
Good idea, I would do the same if I was having major issues with one CPU or manufacturer, I'd just switch for a while, let them fix it or release new parts before going back to them. I switched to AMD mostly because of Intel's ridiculous temps which started on 7th gen I believe, and now they've got ridiculous power usage, no consumer CPU should use more than 150w let alone 250w and up to 350w at times.
Was that a clip from over a year ago, talking about how erock should ditch am5 for intel due to the issues? And now the tables have flipped essentially? Dang 😅 EDIT: Oh wait the "TechYesCity" clip was really recent? Nvm then, But I feel like i heard something similar from other channels over a year ago in relation to AMDip and the RAM and etc.
@@ErockOnTech As an update, I think I've been on 7800X3D for roughly 3 months. And it has never crashed a single time. Within hundreds of hours of gaming on a 4090. Not one single crash ever.
I noticed this issue in the first 15 days of 12700k usage, after investigation i found windows was parking my p cores, limiting my resources to only 4 e cores to save power, the solution was to install 'park control' then disable core parking, problem solved, i agree at first my 11700 was faster, this fix is necessary to every RL or AL user
Will ALL results from GeekBench pages, reviews, game review be REMOVED for Intel? As it affects performance, and it should NOT be advertised what it cannot deliver, right?
Lol of course not. Very rarely do reviewers on any platform go back and update their content. I'm trying to be better on that. Hence why I have a new AM5 video incoming.
It blows my mind that people are willing to spend all that money on a 14900k even with all of its issues. The price and power draw alone are red flags. Now you throw on instability and the degradation issues and it just make no sense.
@@inmypaantsThe 7950x is not faster stop the nonsense. It also pulls a lot of power as well. If all you care about is gaming and don’t mind AMDip then fine the 7800x3d is good.
Great video as always Erock, I have a quote to sum up the situation... "There's not too many times you get a chance to make a second first impression" (Jesse Palmer) Intel has had 3 generations of processors on this platform (Z690/790). The forums/reddit/Facebook have been scattered with people reporting issues like this dating back to the release of 12th gen. Intel is on a 3rd impression if you will. I also find it ironic that near the end of the platform they are starting to acknowledge the issues that the architecture/platform has, but go on to blacklist people like Bryan and probably even myself if I was to guess with the success of my one video last year. Don't get me wrong I still use this platform everyday, and out of some sick toxic labor of love (literally months of tuning/optimizing) I enjoy my machine, but... you are right, NOBODY should go through what you, myself, or many of these users in the comments have said. Even if it's not everyone experiencing issues, the number of actual complaints shouldn't be as high as they are. Thanks again for the time you put into this.
Thank you for the comment man! Yeah that quote reminds me of an old friend of mine. He used to say “You only get one chance to make a first impression.” Very similar! As for the blacklist, I’m sure I’m on the list now haha 🤣 Honestly man, I rather just make the content I want to make without any strings attached. So if I have to pay for the hardware, then so be it. No company gets ahead by trying to suppress reviews. If anything, it just fires up the creator even more! Well, at least it does for me anyway.
I'm still rocking the AM4 platform an 5800X3D. When the newer platforms (AM5 and socket 1700) released I could not justify buying into the AM5 platform as I still get great framerates at 1440P (my monitor native resolution). There was no way I was going to buy the Intel socket 1700 platform because they had already fallen behind in micron width and with their newer platform they decided to pump the power limits to get the equivalent AM5 performance level. AMD did that also a while ago with bulldozer when it was the loser. I don't care about who the fastest is I only care about who is the most sable, that's been AMD for many generations of CPU now. It looks like Intel still has a long way to go still if they persist with these silly e-cores on the desktop PC platform, is intel still just fobbing us all off with the 4 core platform by hiding it with a few e-cores !?!?!
I love how you call it Gigabyte Aurorus instead of Aorus. That would actually make a lot more sense. It makes me think of the Northern Lights because of all the RGB they put on that range.
Nice content! It's always good to keep your options opens but at the end of the day you just gotta roll with what works best for your and makes you the happiest.
@Helios.vfx. that was one of my fears, and especially with the motherboard I chose, which is the MSI PRO B650M-A wifi, and MSI was apparently notorious for slow boot times. Preemptively I updated the bios to the latest one and I can tell you that I'm in Windows in 20 seconds, which for me is more than acceptable
7800x3d is gonna go down as one of the best cpus of all time it’s the 1080ti was for gpus performance of a 6-700 dollar chop for 380 with only 120 watt tdp but really well gaming doesn’t go over 80-90
I run a 7800x3d, there have been plenty of amazing Intel processors over the years 2500K, 4770K, 9900K come to mind with AMD nothing even close in each generation. I hope to get 5 years out of this thing, but that will only match my 4770K and 9900K so we will see :P
intel became amd (of old) by making their chips into toasters instead of making needed changes to the architecture. Maybe things would have been different if they didn't fire all their chip designers 14 years ago and sat on their ass by iterating on the same stuff over and over because it was more cost effective instead of innovating.
And since RT implementations still suck or look the exact same, i play rasterized. Where amd is also the fastest. But yaknow, use case doesnt matter when you need to cope with the fact you paid 2x as much for similar performance and call other people fanboys. Reality doent seem real to you people.
@@steadyclouds4614 I agree 100% it's like saying I got me a Maclaren f1 and I can do 500mph .... unless the speed limits disappear its illogical. and future proofing only goes so far as tech changes and driver support dwindles ... first see what you want to do then determine parts needed to achieve that and then source the parts from whomever is giving said parts at a reasonable price. that's how I build my system.
I just picked up parts for a new build for my friend at work, we went to microcenter and got a 7700X and a Gigabyte B650 board for the same price as a 13700K by itself and it works just as good in gaming unless you're benchmarking with a 4090. Now he had a lot more $$ for the GPU so he managed to upgrade from a 4070 Super to a 4070ti Super and still be in budget.
@@Helios.vfx. Update? His last rig blew up and it had a 6700K in it. His kids use it all the time for games so he needed something right now, not whenever nerds on the internet think is a good time. I did my best finding bang for the buck parts in his budget.
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So basically when the Intel 14th chips were being reviewed, they were automatically being overcooked by the motherboard? Funny how Intel wasn't shouting from the rooftops that the results were inflated. It's only now they are pointing the finger at motherboard manufacturers... I assume this means Intel chips are even less competitive compared to AMD cpu's?
When i get 13600k, mobo default voltage set at 1.35v and give 24000cbr23 score ; now im using 1.07v and still it gives 24000cbr23 score,.. the issue is overviltage by mobo
Most users will not know how to even get into the BIOS to turn off those things, let alone know which ones to turn off. Simple...AMD all the way (AMD please don't make the same mistake).
i notice the lag too on my 13700k, it's not noticeable in games, in games it runs good, but when i use it on a daily basis on the internet or whatever else im doing, i can notice that annoying lag, it's like the cpu isn't running as it should, honestly i upgraded from a i3 and i don't notice any difference at all when it comes to every day usage, it feels just as slow.
It’s a core architecture issue with these CPUs unfortunately. You can try the new Intel power limits, the baseline profile settings, RMA the 13700K, or switch to AMD. But that issue will not resolve itself. I’m sorry to hear you’re having issues.
you should put the intel chip into the trash where it belongs. yo dawg buy this 700 dollar cpu and let us downclock it to be stable to do WORSE than a 300 dollar AMD CPU.
Did you try turning off Core Isolation in Device security? It really helped me a lot. WhySoSLow doesn't report the "BIOS and chipset behavior" and "Kernel latencies and real-time capabilities" problems and my audio doesn't crackle and pop anymore.
Turning off core isolation makes a massive difference to latency but that's 100% a Windows feature/problem and affects both AMD and Intel fairly equally. Still worth a try though.
@@ErockOnTech I don't know if this will help you. I installed Intel's XTU and all I did was run the benchmark and then uninstall it. Nothing else. I've lost 7% on my cinebench score and I'm back to severe latency problems. Worse than they've ever been on my PC. I had them solved. It was running perfectly. I ran the system restore that XTU made, so right before it. Didn't help. I reinstalled drivers. DISM, SFC. No help. My last system image was over a month ago, so at least it's not a total reinstall. I have no idea what that utility did to my chipset drivers and anything else but it really screwed my system
That's the point.. flexibility to go for the better option, we dont get a salary from any of the companies, which means loyalty is out of the equation.
very nice youtube suggestion. subbed. "call em out when they mess up" is what everyone should be doing. no fanboyIsm. i'm worried about intel even though they were total scumbags in the industry for decades. But AMD would do the same thing if they had an absolute monopoly (which intel DID for all practical intents and purposes)
@@ErockOnTech side note : I know it's a thing in the west to call ppl consumers but to me as a non westerner it sounds very derogatory and dehumanizing, like we re some sort of mindless bacteria swarm that just gobbles up whatever (even if so many actually do 😂). I just call myself a customer and I love being a very well informed customer, even if that doesn't work out the way I'd like all the time. Works most of the time though. Best wishes 😁
New subscriber to your channel and I was so pleased I found this video. I have just bought a mid range gaming PC upgrading from my old AM2 TR 2950x pc. I say mid range as, even though I went with the Rizen 7 7800x3d, I will only be running it with an RTX4070 GPU and a cheaper AM5 Gigabyte MB. I saw so many conflicting videos - do this - don't do that - don't buy this - don't buy that and then you came along and said "Hey - everyone is different - game how you want and just enjoy what you can afford" and seeing you go back to the 7800x3d has calmed my worries. Thank You.
I run an AMD R9 5900X CPU in my PC, and I've set a hard OC limit to 4.5 GHz using CPU Core Ratio, with a negative offset automatic voltage. My CPU runs cool and rarely goes above 59-degC while playing Halo Infinite. During normal PC usage, it only uses 1.1 volts.
@@quester34ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-Plus Wifi. I've got 128 GB RAM and an RX 6950 XT in it. The CPU is cooled with a Cooler Master 240mm AIO. It never overheats.
That is such a waste man... I have a 5900X too and if you tune thePBO limits: TDP EDC and TDC limits, along with the Curve Optimizer, you can it to run 4.7 with 70C or so. But it can boost as high as 4.9 in idle loads. You do have to turn off Asus multi core enhancement, as that pushes too much power into the chip. Tune the TDP to limit your chip to run at 70 C under full load - so it depends on your cooler. It is a waste, because after 70C the chip starts to reduce its clock speed more, due to heat. You are leaving 11C of performance on the table there... My chip has 4 cores that cant do -30 on the Curve Optimizer, but the rest can... (its -4 -16 -24 and -28, the rest has -30). So there is a lot of trail and error to figure out the CO settings, but if you get a WHEA error on a crash, it will tell you what core crashed and which CO setting you need to raise for more stability. FYI, CO will reduce the voltage for a given clock speed. So your chip runs cooler, and thus it will also boost higher at the same time.
@@HexerPsy 4.5 Ghz is perfect for my needs. I don't like running my CPUs above 70 deg. I also run another PC with a Ryzen 9 5950X. Running Cinebench R23 at 4.4 Ghz actually scored higher than 4.5 Ghz. This CPU runs hot, so I'm not going to push it to it's limits constantly. I get 250 FPS playing Halo Infinite, and 950 FPS playing Halo CE. That's plenty enough for me.
People switch to AMD and AMD users go back to Intel. Been a motion for a long time nothing new. People gone to 7800x3D and didn't like the 'dip' and go back intel and some stay with the 7800x3D. Almost got a x3D but I like to overclock more than just memory.
Exactly! I built my daughter the first AM5 7800X3D, I was so thrilled it was rock solid! I ended up building one for myself and another for a friend. Intel pushes their hardware to thermal limits that just damages the silicone over time and performance has to be dropped over time to prevent super annoying lockups. They just beat the hell out of their silicone and they don't give a crap. They just want to make it to the finish line first. Just like that Star Trek TNG episode where the romulans burned out their warp engines to get to Tin Man first.
@@Atticman1369 Very cool! Your daughter and friend must be pleased! 👌 I agree! I was an Intel enjoyer for a long time but amd has really gotten my attention with the zen3&4! Im sticking around for now for sure!
Oh my goodness.. I love those cases u built for your friend I'd buy it for a lot of money! appreciate ur honesty a lot this is coming from someone who watches Gamers Nexus!
Honestly all things considered AMD seems to be the better choice for someone who just wants a gaming machine. On top of AM5 likely pushing 3 total mainstream generations or X3D generations at this point makes it a really appealing buy. I have a 12700K and I love it but I also put in a ton of time tuning it and after seeing the insane ASUS overvolting that I observed before I got into it makes me wonder how many people who don't know but keep getting told "Buy a K+Z Intel..." could be in for some real issues down the road. It starts with the i9's but we'll see what happens to this generation. Can't wait for your follow up! I'm already eyeing a 9800X3D for my next round in a couple of years. TBD but Intel will have to really try a bit harder at this point to sell me after all these years.
I'm so thrilled you love your 12700K and haven't had any issues! Good on you for checking the bios so closely! Yeah I am excited for the 9800X3D, not that I need it. But, I WANT IT! LOL :)
on 3:27 I hope you didnt do these options in this order because Loading Optimized Defaults will disable all other tweaks you did before that :D I have 13700k and fixed the higher platform latency with a RAM & BCLK OC. BTW Ryzen has much higher latency than Intel & its more annoying when doing normal Desktop work.
the only thing i hat about AMDs AM5 platforms i the mainboards all suck! X570S was the best platform ever (AM4) ... i had the Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master .. Realtek ALC-1220-VB audio with ESS Audio DAC .... BEST AUDIO EVER! (on board anyway) all AM5 MBs are either Downgraded ALC 897 audio and no premium DACs. No Bios Flashback/ no Post Code 7segment led posy code LED ( X570S aorus master had all the features i needed and wanted with 4x gen4 x4 m,2 nvme ssd slots (which i am using all 4x m.2 slots.. (and 4x sata ports max , last 2x sata are disabled when using last nvme slot sadly :( but and good AM5 Mbs are either wway too expesnive (vs the equivalent X570S i already had) had post code 7seg led post display (I ALWAYS WANT THIS ON $300-$400 MBs with Bios Flashback and ALC 1220/1220-VB HD audio codecs... The AM5 boards either have Realtek USB 2.0 Audio (GB B650I Aorus Ultra AX (ITX) ) junk audio... no EQ or settings controls with GB or Windows stock drivers ... (JUNK) and even higher end boards.. (asrock B650E PG ITX AX) 1220 Codecs but no biosFlashback and bios updates cant be downgraded (once bios update is applied ur locked from downgrading back to say a better performing bios update! ) im donw with asrock now! or X670 (non e) only have RT ALC 897 or 697 realtek Audio... still no sotware settings control ?? (WTF) no post led (7 seg display) but has the 4 leds. but you cant get all post codes if it hangs on a specific thing.. was it a cpu issue / ram or expo/xmp issue boot issue or gpu error.. you cant get the actual code.. alc 1220 codecs/ Bios flashback and Post CODE LED are MUST REQIREMENTs or i wont buy the boards...
I like your contect bro its very impormative, i already following your argument from the start of the am5 launch, and i already build the 50% of am5 build. Price of the amd Ryzen 7000 series in my country is normal or sometime lower
*UPDATED* Asus Z790 Hero 13900k 32GB 2x16 at 7800MHz RTX 4090. Clear CMO’s reset to ASUS Default settings. Restart and go into windows. Then restart and go into BIO’s. Now set the settings below and check the performance, voltage and temperatures with HWINFO for voltages etc. Here are the settings that put back the performance 1. Asus Multicore Enhancement SET to Auto - Let BIOS optimize 2. LLC to 4 Recommended for OC (5 LLC). 3. XMP II or Tweaked (Should show your ram speed). 5. CPU PL short to ENTER 253 watt 6. CPU PL long to ENTER 253 watt 7. CPU core/cache current limit max ENTER 385a, or I use 400a 8. IA DC load line ENTER 1.02 or 0.98 I use (AUTO). 9. IA AC load line ENTER 0.20 I use (AUTO). 10. IA VR Voltage limit 1700 I use (AUTO). These settings work great for CINEBENCH testing and HEAVY GAMING, and not for PRIME95 that runs your CPU into the ground. Happy gaming and enjoy!
i can confirm the new bios update fixes the stutter issues on 11th gen and up. for msi boards i only had to update it then disable c states and only enabled "EIST" and disabled "speed step". i wont lie i also had to download the "power settings explorer" (plz only download this if you understand it) and i had to set the "hetergeneous thread scheduling polices" for the policy itself i selected "standard parking" which is "0" then for the short thread and long threads i chose "performant processors" which gave me a stable 5.4-5.6ghz. before it was all over the place from 4.3 to 5.6ghz. i also disabled HT but i may renable it
Crazy that people just don't have problems with AMD CPUs these days (maybe ram issues on Zen 1) but i remenber growing up was common knowledge If you want a system that just works, go for Intel, times have charged, hope the GPU part also gets to that point
Naa AMD 64 was a very solid platform, Intel P4 was stupidly hot and got destroyed in benchmarks. Of course then for the next 18 years Intel was better until recently.
can somebody help me? pls? i have 7800x3d + gigabyte aorus x670e pro x. *i have bootloops every so often its intermiten* it doesnt matter what i ajust. cold boots always work. only if i reboot from windows it gets into issues. newest bios and chipset expo validated ram. memory context restore and power down on
@erockontech. I’m about switch to AMD Ryzen 7800X3D and going to be giving the wife my 13900K platform. I’m not having any stability issues. But I’m tired of the heat and power consumption.
I have 7800X3d+RTX 4080(PC) + laptop 5800h+RTX3060 , my friend is using 13900HX+RTX4060 laptop . Guess who has the most problems with stability XD . Hellidivers 2 is unplayable for him ( I know I know Helldivers 2 is crushing for everyone but for him it is crashing EVERY time he starts the game - did all I could including reimage of the Windows , BIOS, firmware,drivers , minimal bloating software, driving down power limits , core isolation,CPU affinity , disabling E cores , disabling HT ....- no joy, no imprrovement). Other games /programs are just not stable or underperforming even compering to my shitty laptop. Dont get me started talking about heat and noise ....
14900k Base clock of 3.2 Ghz with 0.8 voltage. That's the speed the CPU should be running at default. Boost is just an extreme way of overclocking the CPU for fast degradation, and of course to compete with AMD. For "Intel" it's just business.
Ppl dont cheack UEFI after boght CPU? I bought 13900k after launch and I see my clock is highter that shoud be. So I go to UEFI and I see all OC setting is ON and no power limit. I just turn off all OC (clock speed, core enchantment, BCLK) and set limit 270W. Zero issue for now.
Well here's the thing. Board partners have been doing this for a while. Which when you do an AMD vs Intel cpu comparison test and it's super neck and neck in most cases you think "wow they both are really good" when in fact if you learned about this you're like "wow the only reason why Intel has been keeping up with amd cpus is because board partners are basiclaly doing an overlooked for you skewing the results meaning results will very depending on what board you would also be using.....amd ftw
My overall opinion and decisions on CPUs based on my personal builds For my NAS and home router - i will stick to Intel. For a moment being, AMD has no proper competitor for Intel N100 and N300. For my gaming rig - i will stay with 5800X3D, don’t see reason to move to AM5 now But for my itx console build - i went with i5-12500T. I would love to use GE CPUs from AMD but there are not that many of those and the price is just bad
I am researching to build a new PC soon for Work and Diverse, but would really love someone like you to compare the 8700G and its 780m iGPU to the 7800x3d with a medium GPU... 😮😮😊
Equally frustrating to see people fumble and scramble on 13th and 14th gen stability. Makes me very concerned about what theyre actually doing or reading as the user, if they are struggling to tune these things for efficiency stability and under/overclock. My 13900ks is fine... any problems are my own user issue on settings. People are disabling E Cores, hyperthreading, neutering the power limits and ICCMAX destroying all core frequency, all this shit, when it LITERALLY is as simple as 1) voltage control and 2) heat control. Tune ur shit. Lower acll. Tune dcll and llc. Feel like most of the people having "unfixable" bsod and issues are people running xmp 7200+ on 4 dimm boards and thinking the ram is stable when its not.
AMD is Just Better been better for Generations. Since I switched back from Intel with Ryzen 3600x I've never regretted it. Now running a 5600x3d It just Works period. I've been a fan since Athlon.
Hmmmm.... The lag issue sounds like a clock stretching issue, where the chip slows down the clock speed because it lacks enough voltage (instead of pushing it and hard crashing). idk if it was tried before, but you should be able to load optimized defaults, then set XMP. Then find the load line clibration and set it to the recommended 4 on ASUS mobos. Then set the iccMax at 400A (to prevent degradation of the chip). Then find the AC/DC loadline settings. It will tell you it asks for a mOhm setting. Use the same number on both: 0.5 That latter will likely solve your issue. If not, then SVID intel fail safe and enable IA and SA CEP. The reason why I think its mainly to do with your AC/DC loadline, is because the AC setting undervolts your chip (sometimes starving it of voltage), while the DC setting will boost the voltage provided by the VRM. Asus sets it 0.3/0.95 before the baseline profile drama erupted. You can check for these values in HWinfo64. The AC/DC should have the same value, since its a calibration value involved in the voltage regulation between chip and motherboard. If the chip is starved of voltage by too low AC, it will clock stretch - and the system level interrupts your mouse causes, are probably running into this issue at idle. I imagine, if you game or have something running on the cpu, your mouse stutter is gone. My 14700K settled on a 0.46/0.46, which is effectively a minor undervolt, but its perfectly stable now. As the chip ages in 10 years time, it might degrade slowly and I may need to raise this number to maintain stability. For reference, before mobos started to mess with the AC/DC loadline, they did listen to intel spec. My 8700K as 0.5/0.5 set in bios. A nifty way to overclock the voltage and mess with the voltage curve of the intel chip - but the initial intel base profiles didnt even fix their AC/DC values.
The most stable, solid, trouble-free platform today (late April 2024) is AM4. For the vast majority of gamers, a Zen 3 CPU on a B550 board is an excellent match for the GPU they're likely to buy.
Dude. Chill man. Saying "nobody watched" your video. There are some a couple of thousand views. Sure it's not a 100k views or a million views. But hey those few thousands they're there. They're not nobody. If nobody watched that, then view count should be zero.
No doubt, especially if your exclusively gaming AMD 7800x3d is better for most games. And from what I read and seen the 700x3d 8 cores 16 threads are enough to do pretty much anything even video editing. Plus, on intel right now what's the point paying for an unlocked CPU if it can't operate higher than base specs. Both companies at times have had problems. Honestly, I have had better luck with intel processors over last 20 years counting laptops and desktops. But not afraid and wouldn't hesitate to go AMD. Cause the AMD CPU's I had problems with were from laptops long ago. Now its intel running hot. If I was building, I would defiantly do a AM5 lets all hope the 9000 series is good or better than rumors say.To keep pressure on both for improvement and competitive prices.
well I have an issue with amd I am using a 7600 and it's rated at 5.1ghz but I only get 4.9 max boost. I'm now using latest bios and prior to that it only maxed out at 4.8ghz. so I'm almost certain its got to do with the mb (Pro msi x670p wifi). other than that I'm happy with the stability and performance of the system. oh by the way this board hates acer nvme drives ... they don't work on it.
Never used AMD products as they are not well supported or provided in my region. Also I do not own gen 13 or gen 14 intel CPU’s, however, I am running with i7 12700k and I never had any issue with it.
I feel alot of issues from intel connects with using a hybrid e core and p core mix. I never heard people complaining about intel on anything other than it ran too hot before. It used to be the processor that just worked for decades. I went amd on the ryzen 2700x. Had to use 3000 mhz ram sence back then I couldn't get 3200 mhz ram to work. I'm sure whatever issue was causing it is fixed by now, but I'm not going to buy more ram. Upgraded to 5950x later, and have been happy with it. Ram always seems to be an issue whenever amd has a new platform which is why I would always skip the first year of a new socket.
I noticed on your last video and on this video you said you "made sure your windows was up to date" Yet in both you are still using that pile of shit old Windows 11 a.k.a vista 2.0 a.k.a windows 8/8.1 a.k.a boomer virusware, you need to update to Windows 10 23h2. Thats why your intel isnt working. It doesnt like pile of shit software that mimics crapple.
If INTEL is forcing motherboard manufacturers for their baseline then blames them if it doesnt work, INTEL should start making their very own motherboard. A product should perform well without any future issues. I have both intel and amd in my computer shop. putting it to test who can survive without airconditioning. thats how to know who will survive the harshest conditions from my city's undervoltage problem and overheating.
Nice to see you rocking matx! (eventually) and please do check if that board has no coil whine issues because I heard it could get whinny. I went with msi mortar's matx board for my 7800X3D and it's been good too, not many usb ports however.
It's great to see this video, I currently have a 3960x threadripper, it's an excellent processor, but for video editing and occasional games, I see that it doesn't perform well, so I started researching a lot, and saw that Intel for video editing is better than the amds precisely because they have the igpu that accelerates some codecs that not even the RTX4090 supports, and looking at some benchmarks the 14900k for example in almost all things is better than my treadripper, but I also know that it already The fifteenth generation is soon to be launched, I hope they fix these problems because I'm looking to migrate to Intel or that AMD launches something similar to Intel's quick sync, then it would be perfect.
To be honest I didnt knew about your channel before few minuts ago, when this video was in my home as suggestion.. Also I dont think the matter is who talks about it first or not, because the more people talk about it the better and faster this will be solved (hopefully)... That said, I cant help but laugh at intel now for all of this trouble they are having, I mean do you remember when they were pushing microsoft so hard to perform better with windows 11? with the scheduler optimization while pushing them away from amd? well... Kinda funny how tables have turned, and its all by themself. it just backfired at them..
1. Re-enable E cores 2. Re-enable iGPU 3. Re-enable XMP 4. Set PL1=PL2=253W, ICCMAX=307A 5. Re-enable core parking 6. Disable HVCI in Windows (aka memory protection) 7. Intel CPU now works like it should. 8. Remove this video.
Lmao 🤣. Remove this video? You mad bro? A user shouldn’t have to set all those parameters. It should just work. After all, isn’t that what all your Intel fanboys have been preaching for years. “It just works!” Yeah right.
@@ErockOnTech a USER ALSO shouldn't disable E cores or disable iGPU when it is HVCI that should be disabled. Intel latency issues - there arent any of those in Linux - therefore it must be Windows doing it's (not Intel, but Windows ones) shananagans. HVCI - perfectly explanins what exactly those shananagans are.
what you describe is intel selling chips that cant dp what they are supposed to do, being pushed too far by motherboard manufacturers and everybody expwcted to work normally amd now they expect ypu to turn off features, lose performance they sold and disable cores they sold you and hopefully the bios updates will fix all the hardware probñems in contrast, amd had what seems some rough bios versions that got replaced and all is well now intel is only worth the time for reviewers, almost 700 dollars for a problem
Bro keep up the good work. But you might want to think about toning down the petty stuff, it stands out like a sore thumb. e.g., I made the video first, that guy commented what I already said in the video...
What do you think? Did I make the right decision switching back to AMD and AM5?
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Great video. Take us with you on that journey back to AM5 with another video series please. Compare your 2024 experience to the 2023 experience thoroughly. This would be so helpful especially bc you kept the AM5 parts from last year. So seeing if the same parts work fine now would be great
You absolutely made the right decision. Really enjoying your content - keep up the good work. Oh and greetings from Oz 🙂
@@greggysimmo Thank you! I appreciate it! :)
@@random-zr5km That is my plan! I'm working on a big video but it will be a few weeks before it drops. Stay tuned!
@@ErockOnTechGlad to hear. Take your time we're in no hurry. These videos are the reason I subbed so whenever the video is ready I will watch it
Crazy how we are here... After all these years of "progression"
Great video and keep up the content!
Thank you so much! Yeah I have no idea how we got to this point! I appreciate your advice and support!
I hope you didn’t mind the intro lol 😆
i have 7200 mhz ram speed with my am5 motherboard and it works very well and it surpasses 6000 mhz ram if you set up the flck mlck correctly its an interesting concept to go post 7200 on am5 currently i think it might become even better on next gen amd.
@@ErockOnTech Oh DW I am real easy on that. Wouldn't mind if you were even talking shit about me, as long it was valid.
lol 😂 well I don’t see myself doing that. Been a fan of your content for a long time man. But I’m happy you’re so chill dude. That’s awesome!
First time in 30 years i went to AMD not knowing the New Intel CPU problems I am so lucky
that i wanted to try AMD CPUs. 🥰
My first build with the 7800x3d only gets better over time. Gonna age like a fine wine.
Facts!
I have done two 7800x3d builds. They are so efficient i use it for my main cad pc believe it or not. Keeps my room cooler and is so fast.
despite the much lower power usage,the temps i saw was on par with i7 class intel cpu's with higher wattage..not an intel fanboy tho,dont get me wrong.
It’s a great CPU!
@elinbarrage9638 I enabled pbo with voltage offset at -20 and a silver soul 135 wouldn't exceed 75c under the heaviest stress testing. I had the exact same result with noctua NH-D15. I was blown away with this.
@@elinbarrage9638 thats because of the smaller ihs and extra die thickness because of the vram. a decent single tower cooler should still be enough to cool it tho compared to most intel chips
@@charlesg5085 What's your idle temps? I'm running a D-15 at -25 all cores and hit 89 instantly on full load. Gaming's at 60-70s
Good idea, I would do the same if I was having major issues with one CPU or manufacturer, I'd just switch for a while, let them fix it or release new parts before going back to them. I switched to AMD mostly because of Intel's ridiculous temps which started on 7th gen I believe, and now they've got ridiculous power usage, no consumer CPU should use more than 150w let alone 250w and up to 350w at times.
Yeah, I think he was talking about you 😂😂😂
Haha 😆 definitely!
Was that a clip from over a year ago, talking about how erock should ditch am5 for intel due to the issues?
And now the tables have flipped essentially?
Dang 😅
EDIT: Oh wait the "TechYesCity" clip was really recent? Nvm then, But I feel like i heard something similar from other channels over a year ago in relation to AMDip and the RAM and etc.
2.5 months later, the full fault and blame of all this instability crap is directly on Intel, not any of the motherboard manufacturers.
Bingo! You are correct!
NGL Erock im kind of jealous ya get to switch easily. Im still tryna save up to switch to AM5 and get a 7800x3D 🤣
I’m very blessed and fortunate for sure! It’s all thanks to viewers like you! Thank you 🙏
Thank You for the shoutout! Amazing video as always 🙏
No problem! Anytime! Keep up the good work!
@Niktek truly makes the best & funniest tech meme videos
I switched to 7800X3D as well and it's been flawless
Fantastic!
My 13900k runs fine.
That's good. @@cuzr702
@@ErockOnTech
As an update, I think I've been on 7800X3D for roughly 3 months. And it has never crashed a single time. Within hundreds of hours of gaming on a 4090. Not one single crash ever.
@@cuzr702 For now. Hopefully, it stays that way. Good luck.
iam done also, change my i9 13900k // MOBO // RAM to AM5 7800x3d Plattform - my hardware should arrive today :)
I noticed this issue in the first 15 days of 12700k usage, after investigation i found windows was parking my p cores, limiting my resources to only 4 e cores to save power, the solution was to install 'park control' then disable core parking, problem solved, i agree at first my 11700 was faster, this fix is necessary to every RL or AL user
Will ALL results from GeekBench pages, reviews, game review be REMOVED for Intel? As it affects performance, and it should NOT be advertised what it cannot deliver, right?
Lol of course not. Very rarely do reviewers on any platform go back and update their content. I'm trying to be better on that. Hence why I have a new AM5 video incoming.
NikTek tell us truth through his memes
It blows my mind that people are willing to spend all that money on a 14900k even with all of its issues. The price and power draw alone are red flags. Now you throw on instability and the degradation issues and it just make no sense.
IKR! I the 7950x is much better for creators and the 7800X3D is a weapon for gaming.
@@inmypaants7800x3d is still good for CAD and programming too I use it for that
@@inmypaantsThe 7950x is not faster stop the nonsense. It also pulls a lot of power as well. If all you care about is gaming and don’t mind AMDip then fine the 7800x3d is good.
@@ZackSNetwork AMDip lmao enjoy your insufficient VRAM errors. I have a 5800X3D, zero issues for me xxx
@@inmypaantslol that's the least deranged "Frame Chasers" fan
Great video as always Erock, I have a quote to sum up the situation...
"There's not too many times you get a chance to make a second first impression" (Jesse Palmer)
Intel has had 3 generations of processors on this platform (Z690/790).
The forums/reddit/Facebook have been scattered with people reporting issues like this dating back to the release of 12th gen. Intel is on a 3rd impression if you will.
I also find it ironic that near the end of the platform they are starting to acknowledge the issues that the architecture/platform has, but go on to blacklist people like Bryan and probably even myself if I was to guess with the success of my one video last year.
Don't get me wrong I still use this platform everyday, and out of some sick toxic labor of love (literally months of tuning/optimizing) I enjoy my machine, but...
you are right, NOBODY should go through what you, myself, or many of these users in the comments have said. Even if it's not everyone experiencing issues, the number of actual complaints shouldn't be as high as they are.
Thanks again for the time you put into this.
Thank you for the comment man! Yeah that quote reminds me of an old friend of mine. He used to say “You only get one chance to make a first impression.” Very similar!
As for the blacklist, I’m sure I’m on the list now haha 🤣
Honestly man, I rather just make the content I want to make without any strings attached. So if I have to pay for the hardware, then so be it. No company gets ahead by trying to suppress reviews. If anything, it just fires up the creator even more! Well, at least it does for me anyway.
I'm still rocking the AM4 platform an 5800X3D. When the newer platforms (AM5 and socket 1700) released I could not justify buying into the AM5 platform as I still get great framerates at 1440P (my monitor native resolution). There was no way I was going to buy the Intel socket 1700 platform because they had already fallen behind in micron width and with their newer platform they decided to pump the power limits to get the equivalent AM5 performance level. AMD did that also a while ago with bulldozer when it was the loser. I don't care about who the fastest is I only care about who is the most sable, that's been AMD for many generations of CPU now. It looks like Intel still has a long way to go still if they persist with these silly e-cores on the desktop PC platform, is intel still just fobbing us all off with the 4 core platform by hiding it with a few e-cores !?!?!
I love how you call it Gigabyte Aurorus instead of Aorus. That would actually make a lot more sense. It makes me think of the Northern Lights because of all the RGB they put on that range.
The Northern Lights are great! I didn’t realize I was saying it wrong lol 😆
Nice content! It's always good to keep your options opens but at the end of the day you just gotta roll with what works best for your and makes you the happiest.
I recently built my Ryzen 7 7700 rig, and couldn't be any happier. solid, stable, no issues, and nothing about the slow boot times, etc...
So the slow boot and ram training is over ? I will buy s new build for next gen. I guess I should expect the same issues for at least the first year?
@Helios.vfx. that was one of my fears, and especially with the motherboard I chose, which is the MSI PRO B650M-A wifi, and MSI was apparently notorious for slow boot times. Preemptively I updated the bios to the latest one and I can tell you that I'm in Windows in 20 seconds, which for me is more than acceptable
@Helios.vfx. oh, and as regards the RAM training, all I had to do was to turn it off in the bios (can't remember the name now) and it's gone
7800x3d is gonna go down as one of the best cpus of all time it’s the 1080ti was for gpus performance of a 6-700 dollar chop for 380 with only 120 watt tdp but really well gaming doesn’t go over 80-90
5800x3D will going down in history well
I run a 7800x3d, there have been plenty of amazing Intel processors over the years 2500K, 4770K, 9900K come to mind with AMD nothing even close in each generation. I hope to get 5 years out of this thing, but that will only match my 4770K and 9900K so we will see :P
You are so right!
intel became amd (of old) by making their chips into toasters instead of making needed changes to the architecture. Maybe things would have been different if they didn't fire all their chip designers 14 years ago and sat on their ass by iterating on the same stuff over and over because it was more cost effective instead of innovating.
I’ve been full AMD since bulldozer! Have 0 desire to use Intel/Nvidia
Dumb when they are the fastest products. Being a fangirl never pays off.
@@ZackSNetwork bought a pc to game not use blender, the 7800x3d IS fastest
And since RT implementations still suck or look the exact same, i play rasterized.
Where amd is also the fastest.
But yaknow, use case doesnt matter when you need to cope with the fact you paid 2x as much for similar performance and call other people fanboys.
Reality doent seem real to you people.
@@steadyclouds4614 I agree 100%
it's like saying I got me a Maclaren f1 and I can do 500mph .... unless the speed limits disappear its illogical.
and future proofing only goes so far as tech changes and driver support dwindles ... first see what you want to do then determine parts needed to achieve that and then source the parts from whomever is giving said parts at a reasonable price. that's how I build my system.
Spoken like a true AMD fanboy!
Ryzen 7800x3d on top 💪
It's truly an amazing CPU!
@@ErockOnTech facts
Watching my homie throw my processor (i7) into the garbage 🥲
Haha 🤣 my bad bro!
I just picked up parts for a new build for my friend at work, we went to microcenter and got a 7700X and a Gigabyte B650 board for the same price as a 13700K by itself and it works just as good in gaming unless you're benchmarking with a 4090. Now he had a lot more $$ for the GPU so he managed to upgrade from a 4070 Super to a 4070ti Super and still be in budget.
That's just a dumb update. I'd have just saved up for next gen if the incremental is minimal
@@Helios.vfx. Update? His last rig blew up and it had a 6700K in it. His kids use it all the time for games so he needed something right now, not whenever nerds on the internet think is a good time. I did my best finding bang for the buck parts in his budget.
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So basically when the Intel 14th chips were being reviewed, they were automatically being overcooked by the motherboard? Funny how Intel wasn't shouting from the rooftops that the results were inflated. It's only now they are pointing the finger at motherboard manufacturers... I assume this means Intel chips are even less competitive compared to AMD cpu's?
When i get 13600k, mobo default voltage set at 1.35v and give 24000cbr23 score ; now im using 1.07v and still it gives 24000cbr23 score,.. the issue is overviltage by mobo
Most users will not know how to even get into the BIOS to turn off those things, let alone know which ones to turn off. Simple...AMD all the way (AMD please don't make the same mistake).
Good point!
i notice the lag too on my 13700k, it's not noticeable in games, in games it runs good, but when i use it on a daily basis on the internet or whatever else im doing, i can notice that annoying lag, it's like the cpu isn't running as it should, honestly i upgraded from a i3 and i don't notice any difference at all when it comes to every day usage, it feels just as slow.
It’s a core architecture issue with these CPUs unfortunately. You can try the new Intel power limits, the baseline profile settings, RMA the 13700K, or switch to AMD. But that issue will not resolve itself. I’m sorry to hear you’re having issues.
you should put the intel chip into the trash where it belongs. yo dawg buy this 700 dollar cpu and let us downclock it to be stable to do WORSE than a 300 dollar AMD CPU.
Yeah it's pretty jacked up when you think about it.
Did you try turning off Core Isolation in Device security? It really helped me a lot. WhySoSLow doesn't report the "BIOS and chipset behavior" and "Kernel latencies and real-time capabilities" problems and my audio doesn't crackle and pop anymore.
I did not try that. Thanks for the tip. Intel has acknowledged there is a problem and they are researching it. So I know it’s not just a me issue.
Turning off core isolation makes a massive difference to latency but that's 100% a Windows feature/problem and affects both AMD and Intel fairly equally. Still worth a try though.
@@ErockOnTech I don't know if this will help you. I installed Intel's XTU and all I did was run the benchmark and then uninstall it. Nothing else. I've lost 7% on my cinebench score and I'm back to severe latency problems. Worse than they've ever been on my PC. I had them solved. It was running perfectly.
I ran the system restore that XTU made, so right before it. Didn't help. I reinstalled drivers. DISM, SFC. No help. My last system image was over a month ago, so at least it's not a total reinstall. I have no idea what that utility did to my chipset drivers and anything else but it really screwed my system
@@1BackUpPlan1Maybe that impacted me too. I did use XTU as well. Anyway, I’m over on AMD now. So far no problems.
I'm at this very moment building my first AM5 PC 😊
I literally replaced my 7800x3d with a 14900k. After 2 months, the amd chip just got put back in my sysyem lol. What a waste of time
just wait few month/years goes back switch back to intel then switch back to Amd. LOL
lol it all depends on how well everything is performing. Each generation is a new story.
That's the point.. flexibility to go for the better option, we dont get a salary from any of the companies, which means loyalty is out of the equation.
Motherboard mofos have made building PC's a skilled labor job once again 😆
LOL true!
I'm building my first PC gaming, Gigabyte Aorus x670e Master + Gigabyte Aero RTX 4080 super oc + Ryzen 7800x3d
x670e MSI Ace + Ryzen 7950x3d + Corsair Vengeance 6000mhz c30 64 gb +Crucial T705 4tb SSD+ Cooler Master 700 EVO. Just need to buy 4090 gpu (MSI suprim x)
That will be a great build!
W! 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU anyways!
You’re correct!
my last intel platform was 4gen after that ryzen 3600 and now 5800x3d no need for update right now
very nice youtube suggestion. subbed. "call em out when they mess up" is what everyone should be doing. no fanboyIsm. i'm worried about intel even though they were total scumbags in the industry for decades. But AMD would do the same thing if they had an absolute monopoly (which intel DID for all practical intents and purposes)
Thank you for the sub and kind words! We got to look out for consumers because the big guys will walk all over us if we don't.
@@ErockOnTech side note : I know it's a thing in the west to call ppl consumers but to me as a non westerner it sounds very derogatory and dehumanizing, like we re some sort of mindless bacteria swarm that just gobbles up whatever (even if so many actually do 😂). I just call myself a customer and I love being a very well informed customer, even if that doesn't work out the way I'd like all the time. Works most of the time though. Best wishes 😁
New subscriber to your channel and I was so pleased I found this video. I have just bought a mid range gaming PC upgrading from my old AM2 TR 2950x pc. I say mid range as, even though I went with the Rizen 7 7800x3d, I will only be running it with an RTX4070 GPU and a cheaper AM5 Gigabyte MB. I saw so many conflicting videos - do this - don't do that - don't buy this - don't buy that and then you came along and said "Hey - everyone is different - game how you want and just enjoy what you can afford" and seeing you go back to the 7800x3d has calmed my worries. Thank You.
I run an AMD R9 5900X CPU in my PC, and I've set a hard OC limit to 4.5 GHz using CPU Core Ratio, with a negative offset automatic voltage. My CPU runs cool and rarely goes above 59-degC while playing Halo Infinite. During normal PC usage, it only uses 1.1 volts.
What motherboard do you use?
@@quester34ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-Plus Wifi. I've got 128 GB RAM and an RX 6950 XT in it. The CPU is cooled with a Cooler Master 240mm AIO. It never overheats.
That is such a waste man... I have a 5900X too and if you tune thePBO limits: TDP EDC and TDC limits, along with the Curve Optimizer, you can it to run 4.7 with 70C or so. But it can boost as high as 4.9 in idle loads. You do have to turn off Asus multi core enhancement, as that pushes too much power into the chip. Tune the TDP to limit your chip to run at 70 C under full load - so it depends on your cooler.
It is a waste, because after 70C the chip starts to reduce its clock speed more, due to heat. You are leaving 11C of performance on the table there...
My chip has 4 cores that cant do -30 on the Curve Optimizer, but the rest can... (its -4 -16 -24 and -28, the rest has -30). So there is a lot of trail and error to figure out the CO settings, but if you get a WHEA error on a crash, it will tell you what core crashed and which CO setting you need to raise for more stability.
FYI, CO will reduce the voltage for a given clock speed. So your chip runs cooler, and thus it will also boost higher at the same time.
@@HexerPsy 4.5 Ghz is perfect for my needs. I don't like running my CPUs above 70 deg.
I also run another PC with a Ryzen 9 5950X. Running Cinebench R23 at 4.4 Ghz actually scored higher than 4.5 Ghz. This CPU runs hot, so I'm not going to push it to it's limits constantly. I get 250 FPS playing Halo Infinite, and 950 FPS playing Halo CE. That's plenty enough for me.
People switch to AMD and AMD users go back to Intel. Been a motion for a long time nothing new. People gone to 7800x3D and didn't like the 'dip' and go back intel and some stay with the 7800x3D. Almost got a x3D but I like to overclock more than just memory.
Bro AMD 9000 Series is welcoming you 💪💪💪
I’m here for it! 😎
AM5 has been a Dream to build and use. Everything just works! Best experience ever! ❤❤❤
Exactly! I built my daughter the first AM5 7800X3D, I was so thrilled it was rock solid! I ended up building one for myself and another for a friend. Intel pushes their hardware to thermal limits that just damages the silicone over time and performance has to be dropped over time to prevent super annoying lockups. They just beat the hell out of their silicone and they don't give a crap. They just want to make it to the finish line first. Just like that Star Trek TNG episode where the romulans burned out their warp engines to get to Tin Man first.
@@Atticman1369 Very cool! Your daughter and friend must be pleased! 👌
I agree! I was an Intel enjoyer for a long time but amd has really gotten my attention with the zen3&4! Im sticking around for now for sure!
Oh my goodness.. I love those cases u built for your friend I'd buy it for a lot of money! appreciate ur honesty a lot this is coming from someone who watches Gamers Nexus!
I do my best to share my authentic experience. I'm happy you like the cases!
honestly I might consider switching to AM5 next time but still SFF. 13700K is good on paper but a waste
lol 😂 dat trash can though
lol 😂 I know it was a bit much! Haha
Honestly all things considered AMD seems to be the better choice for someone who just wants a gaming machine. On top of AM5 likely pushing 3 total mainstream generations or X3D generations at this point makes it a really appealing buy. I have a 12700K and I love it but I also put in a ton of time tuning it and after seeing the insane ASUS overvolting that I observed before I got into it makes me wonder how many people who don't know but keep getting told "Buy a K+Z Intel..." could be in for some real issues down the road. It starts with the i9's but we'll see what happens to this generation.
Can't wait for your follow up! I'm already eyeing a 9800X3D for my next round in a couple of years. TBD but Intel will have to really try a bit harder at this point to sell me after all these years.
I'm so thrilled you love your 12700K and haven't had any issues! Good on you for checking the bios so closely! Yeah I am excited for the 9800X3D, not that I need it. But, I WANT IT! LOL :)
r5 9600x zen5 will be faster in gamimg and productivity vs 7800x3d and probably priced of around 300$ while 7800x3d are 350$ or more
on 3:27 I hope you didnt do these options in this order because Loading Optimized Defaults will disable all other tweaks you did before that :D I have 13700k and fixed the higher platform latency with a RAM & BCLK OC. BTW Ryzen has much higher latency than Intel & its more annoying when doing normal Desktop work.
I just get happier and happier that I got the 7800x3d and 4080 (the latter of which a year ago on sale for 100aud less than the 4080 super now!)
Good combo and a great deal!
Lets go just trying to work the algorithm this man needs more views
the only thing i hat about AMDs AM5 platforms i the mainboards all suck! X570S was the best platform ever (AM4) ... i had the Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master .. Realtek ALC-1220-VB audio with ESS Audio DAC .... BEST AUDIO EVER! (on board anyway) all AM5 MBs are either Downgraded ALC 897 audio and no premium DACs. No Bios Flashback/ no Post Code 7segment led posy code LED ( X570S aorus master had all the features i needed and wanted with 4x gen4 x4 m,2 nvme ssd slots (which i am using all 4x m.2 slots.. (and 4x sata ports max , last 2x sata are disabled when using last nvme slot sadly :(
but and good AM5 Mbs are either wway too expesnive (vs the equivalent X570S i already had) had post code 7seg led post display (I ALWAYS WANT THIS ON $300-$400 MBs with Bios Flashback and ALC 1220/1220-VB HD audio codecs...
The AM5 boards either have Realtek USB 2.0 Audio (GB B650I Aorus Ultra AX (ITX) ) junk audio... no EQ or settings controls with GB or Windows stock drivers ... (JUNK) and even higher end boards.. (asrock B650E PG ITX AX) 1220 Codecs but no biosFlashback and bios updates cant be downgraded (once bios update is applied ur locked from downgrading back to say a better performing bios update! ) im donw with asrock now!
or X670 (non e) only have RT ALC 897 or 697 realtek Audio... still no sotware settings control ?? (WTF) no post led (7 seg display) but has the 4 leds. but you cant get all post codes if it hangs on a specific thing.. was it a cpu issue / ram or expo/xmp issue boot issue or gpu error.. you cant get the actual code..
alc 1220 codecs/ Bios flashback and Post CODE LED are MUST REQIREMENTs or i wont buy the boards...
I like your contect bro its very impormative, i already following your argument from the start of the am5 launch, and i already build the 50% of am5 build.
Price of the amd Ryzen 7000 series in my country is normal or sometime lower
*UPDATED* Asus Z790 Hero 13900k 32GB 2x16 at 7800MHz RTX 4090. Clear CMO’s reset to ASUS Default settings. Restart and go into windows. Then restart and go into BIO’s. Now set the settings below and check the performance, voltage and temperatures with HWINFO for voltages etc.
Here are the settings that put back the performance
1. Asus Multicore Enhancement SET to Auto - Let BIOS optimize
2. LLC to 4 Recommended for OC (5 LLC).
3. XMP II or Tweaked (Should show your ram speed).
5. CPU PL short to ENTER 253 watt
6. CPU PL long to ENTER 253 watt
7. CPU core/cache current limit max ENTER 385a, or I use 400a
8. IA DC load line ENTER 1.02 or 0.98 I use (AUTO).
9. IA AC load line ENTER 0.20 I use (AUTO).
10. IA VR Voltage limit 1700 I use (AUTO).
These settings work great for CINEBENCH testing and HEAVY GAMING, and not for PRIME95 that runs your CPU into the ground. Happy gaming and enjoy!
i can confirm the new bios update fixes the stutter issues on 11th gen and up. for msi boards i only had to update it then disable c states and only enabled "EIST" and disabled "speed step". i wont lie i also had to download the "power settings explorer" (plz only download this if you understand it) and i had to set the "hetergeneous thread scheduling polices" for the policy itself i selected "standard parking" which is "0" then for the short thread and long threads i chose "performant processors" which gave me a stable 5.4-5.6ghz. before it was all over the place from 4.3 to 5.6ghz. i also disabled HT but i may renable it
Crazy that people just don't have problems with AMD CPUs these days (maybe ram issues on Zen 1) but i remenber growing up was common knowledge If you want a system that just works, go for Intel, times have charged, hope the GPU part also gets to that point
Naa AMD 64 was a very solid platform, Intel P4 was stupidly hot and got destroyed in benchmarks. Of course then for the next 18 years Intel was better until recently.
@@Battleneter you are talking about ages that i wasn't even born man, sorry i only have the last 20 years as reference
@@DesocupadoXtremo Exactly you knew only part of the story.
can somebody help me? pls? i have 7800x3d + gigabyte aorus x670e pro x. *i have bootloops every so often its intermiten* it doesnt matter what i ajust. cold boots always work. only if i reboot from windows it gets into issues.
newest bios and chipset expo validated ram. memory context restore and power down on
@erockontech. I’m about switch to AMD Ryzen 7800X3D and going to be giving the wife my 13900K platform. I’m not having any stability issues. But I’m tired of the heat and power consumption.
Amd idles at a higher temp than intel. I ran the 13500 and had it idle at 17c.... now i am on 7800x3d and idle at 47-52c
really??? thought it consumer less power
@@MrLaurichu it consumes less under load, not when idle!
@@Zombie101 to my surprise !!
I have 7800X3d+RTX 4080(PC) + laptop 5800h+RTX3060 , my friend is using 13900HX+RTX4060 laptop . Guess who has the most problems with stability XD . Hellidivers 2 is unplayable for him ( I know I know Helldivers 2 is crushing for everyone but for him it is crashing EVERY time he starts the game - did all I could including reimage of the Windows , BIOS, firmware,drivers , minimal bloating software, driving down power limits , core isolation,CPU affinity , disabling E cores , disabling HT ....- no joy, no imprrovement). Other games /programs are just not stable or underperforming even compering to my shitty laptop. Dont get me started talking about heat and noise ....
So, tell me again why you went back to Intel ????
lol, Intel would have to make some major improvements with Intel 15th gen before I ever go back.
14900k Base clock of 3.2 Ghz with 0.8 voltage.
That's the speed the CPU should be running at default.
Boost is just an extreme way of overclocking the CPU for fast degradation, and of course to compete with AMD.
For "Intel" it's just business.
Ppl dont cheack UEFI after boght CPU? I bought 13900k after launch and I see my clock is highter that shoud be. So I go to UEFI and I see all OC setting is ON and no power limit. I just turn off all OC (clock speed, core enchantment, BCLK) and set limit 270W. Zero issue for now.
I see someone has been consuming Fallout content lately.
Yes! I just finished the show last night. It was so good! Are you a Fallout fan?
Well here's the thing. Board partners have been doing this for a while. Which when you do an AMD vs Intel cpu comparison test and it's super neck and neck in most cases you think "wow they both are really good" when in fact if you learned about this you're like "wow the only reason why Intel has been keeping up with amd cpus is because board partners are basiclaly doing an overlooked for you skewing the results meaning results will very depending on what board you would also be using.....amd ftw
My overall opinion and decisions on CPUs based on my personal builds
For my NAS and home router - i will stick to Intel. For a moment being, AMD has no proper competitor for Intel N100 and N300.
For my gaming rig - i will stay with 5800X3D, don’t see reason to move to AM5 now
But for my itx console build - i went with i5-12500T.
I would love to use GE CPUs from AMD but there are not that many of those and the price is just bad
I am researching to build a new PC soon for Work and Diverse, but would really love someone like you to compare the 8700G and its 780m iGPU to the 7800x3d with a medium GPU... 😮😮😊
Equally frustrating to see people fumble and scramble on 13th and 14th gen stability. Makes me very concerned about what theyre actually doing or reading as the user, if they are struggling to tune these things for efficiency stability and under/overclock. My 13900ks is fine... any problems are my own user issue on settings.
People are disabling E Cores, hyperthreading, neutering the power limits and ICCMAX destroying all core frequency, all this shit, when it LITERALLY is as simple as 1) voltage control and 2) heat control. Tune ur shit. Lower acll. Tune dcll and llc.
Feel like most of the people having "unfixable" bsod and issues are people running xmp 7200+ on 4 dimm boards and thinking the ram is stable when its not.
AMD is Just Better been better for Generations. Since I switched back from Intel with Ryzen 3600x I've never regretted it. Now running a 5600x3d It just Works period. I've been a fan since Athlon.
Hmmmm.... The lag issue sounds like a clock stretching issue, where the chip slows down the clock speed because it lacks enough voltage (instead of pushing it and hard crashing).
idk if it was tried before, but you should be able to load optimized defaults, then set XMP.
Then find the load line clibration and set it to the recommended 4 on ASUS mobos.
Then set the iccMax at 400A (to prevent degradation of the chip).
Then find the AC/DC loadline settings. It will tell you it asks for a mOhm setting. Use the same number on both: 0.5
That latter will likely solve your issue. If not, then SVID intel fail safe and enable IA and SA CEP.
The reason why I think its mainly to do with your AC/DC loadline, is because the AC setting undervolts your chip (sometimes starving it of voltage), while the DC setting will boost the voltage provided by the VRM. Asus sets it 0.3/0.95 before the baseline profile drama erupted. You can check for these values in HWinfo64.
The AC/DC should have the same value, since its a calibration value involved in the voltage regulation between chip and motherboard.
If the chip is starved of voltage by too low AC, it will clock stretch - and the system level interrupts your mouse causes, are probably running into this issue at idle. I imagine, if you game or have something running on the cpu, your mouse stutter is gone.
My 14700K settled on a 0.46/0.46, which is effectively a minor undervolt, but its perfectly stable now. As the chip ages in 10 years time, it might degrade slowly and I may need to raise this number to maintain stability.
For reference, before mobos started to mess with the AC/DC loadline, they did listen to intel spec. My 8700K as 0.5/0.5 set in bios.
A nifty way to overclock the voltage and mess with the voltage curve of the intel chip - but the initial intel base profiles didnt even fix their AC/DC values.
The most stable, solid, trouble-free platform today (late April 2024) is AM4. For the vast majority of gamers, a Zen 3 CPU on a B550 board is an excellent match for the GPU they're likely to buy.
You are so correct! AM4 was so good for me.
Dude. Chill man.
Saying "nobody watched" your video.
There are some a couple of thousand views.
Sure it's not a 100k views or a million views.
But hey those few thousands they're there. They're not nobody.
If nobody watched that, then view count should be zero.
No doubt, especially if your exclusively gaming AMD 7800x3d is better for most games. And from what I read and seen the 700x3d 8 cores 16 threads are enough to do pretty much anything even video editing. Plus, on intel right now what's the point paying for an unlocked CPU if it can't operate higher than base specs. Both companies at times have had problems. Honestly, I have had better luck with intel processors over last 20 years counting laptops and desktops. But not afraid and wouldn't hesitate to go AMD. Cause the AMD CPU's I had problems with were from laptops long ago. Now its intel running hot. If I was building, I would defiantly do a AM5 lets all hope the 9000 series is good or better than rumors say.To keep pressure on both for improvement and competitive prices.
I'm waiting for zen 5
And you choose the scam CPU from AMD according to framechasers ,,,,,LMAO
well I have an issue with amd
I am using a 7600 and it's rated at 5.1ghz but I only get 4.9 max boost.
I'm now using latest bios and prior to that it only maxed out at 4.8ghz.
so I'm almost certain its got to do with the mb (Pro msi x670p wifi).
other than that I'm happy with the stability and performance of the system.
oh by the way this board hates acer nvme drives ... they don't work on it.
Never used AMD products as they are not well supported or provided in my region. Also I do not own gen 13 or gen 14 intel CPU’s, however, I am running with i7 12700k and I never had any issue with it.
I feel alot of issues from intel connects with using a hybrid e core and p core mix. I never heard people complaining about intel on anything other than it ran too hot before. It used to be the processor that just worked for decades. I went amd on the ryzen 2700x. Had to use 3000 mhz ram sence back then I couldn't get 3200 mhz ram to work. I'm sure whatever issue was causing it is fixed by now, but I'm not going to buy more ram. Upgraded to 5950x later, and have been happy with it. Ram always seems to be an issue whenever amd has a new platform which is why I would always skip the first year of a new socket.
Since AMD released their X3D CPUs, Intel was dead. Intel's major profit comes from server PCs, so they are most likely going to not care much either.
Lol.
“Where’s my credit, I made a video too, but I’m small channel so no one watched it, cry”
Yep cry it out 😭 thanks for watching
I noticed on your last video and on this video you said you "made sure your windows was up to date" Yet in both you are still using that pile of shit old Windows 11 a.k.a vista 2.0 a.k.a windows 8/8.1 a.k.a boomer virusware, you need to update to Windows 10 23h2. Thats why your intel isnt working. It doesnt like pile of shit software that mimics crapple.
If INTEL is forcing motherboard manufacturers for their baseline then blames them if it doesnt work, INTEL should start making their very own motherboard. A product should perform well without any future issues. I have both intel and amd in my computer shop. putting it to test who can survive without airconditioning. thats how to know who will survive the harshest conditions from my city's undervoltage problem and overheating.
Nice to see you rocking matx! (eventually) and please do check if that board has no coil whine issues because I heard it could get whinny. I went with msi mortar's matx board for my 7800X3D and it's been good too, not many usb ports however.
Turning off XMP totally kills performance. Even if that works it’s unacceptable for intel to expect that
It's great to see this video, I currently have a 3960x threadripper, it's an excellent processor, but for video editing and occasional games, I see that it doesn't perform well, so I started researching a lot, and saw that Intel for video editing is better than the amds precisely because they have the igpu that accelerates some codecs that not even the RTX4090 supports, and looking at some benchmarks the 14900k for example in almost all things is better than my treadripper, but I also know that it already The fifteenth generation is soon to be launched, I hope they fix these problems because I'm looking to migrate to Intel or that AMD launches something similar to Intel's quick sync, then it would be perfect.
They must set AMD 7800 x cpu voltage to 1.35000 or your mother' board and cpu will toast
To be honest I didnt knew about your channel before few minuts ago, when this video was in my home as suggestion.. Also I dont think the matter is who talks about it first or not, because the more people talk about it the better and faster this will be solved (hopefully)... That said, I cant help but laugh at intel now for all of this trouble they are having, I mean do you remember when they were pushing microsoft so hard to perform better with windows 11? with the scheduler optimization while pushing them away from amd? well... Kinda funny how tables have turned, and its all by themself. it just backfired at them..
Damn bitching about nobody watching your videos, twice in one video.
Seems I'll take your advice.
1. Re-enable E cores
2. Re-enable iGPU
3. Re-enable XMP
4. Set PL1=PL2=253W, ICCMAX=307A
5. Re-enable core parking
6. Disable HVCI in Windows (aka memory protection)
7. Intel CPU now works like it should.
8. Remove this video.
Lmao 🤣. Remove this video? You mad bro? A user shouldn’t have to set all those parameters. It should just work. After all, isn’t that what all your Intel fanboys have been preaching for years. “It just works!” Yeah right.
Yeah, and it still doesn't work like it should! I have multiples of both platforms and I'm ready to throw Intel (and Asus) in the trash!
@@ErockOnTech a USER ALSO shouldn't disable E cores or disable iGPU when it is HVCI that should be disabled.
Intel latency issues - there arent any of those in Linux - therefore it must be Windows doing it's (not Intel, but Windows ones) shananagans. HVCI - perfectly explanins what exactly those shananagans are.
@@ErockOnTech ues of course, disabling XMP will fix CPU cores instability.
"Very" believeable, as much as L3 cache is there to look pretty.
when i read 8th option 😂😂😂😂
cant wait for the am5 update after a year
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I am clinging onto my AM 4 5800X for life at the moment.
what you describe is intel selling chips that cant dp what they are supposed to do, being pushed too far by motherboard manufacturers and everybody expwcted to work normally amd now they expect ypu to turn off features, lose performance they sold and disable cores they sold you and hopefully the bios updates will fix all the hardware probñems
in contrast, amd had what seems some rough bios versions that got replaced and all is well now
intel is only worth the time for reviewers, almost 700 dollars for a problem
Bro keep up the good work. But you might want to think about toning down the petty stuff, it stands out like a sore thumb. e.g., I made the video first, that guy commented what I already said in the video...
Dude you exactly Intels core customer. Switch back stay there. Srsly poster child for Intel schill
7800x3d gang feeling REAL good right about now. 😂
I have a R7 7700 PC for workstation and game dev. It is very solid, and I've had no issues at all.
Just subbed. You are doing good.
I watched this video back when it released and it really did foreshadow the widespread 14th gen Intel issues.