I am voting blue up and down the ballot, and voting for Kamala. I can never forgive Jill Stein for pandering to anti-vax nutcases and just dissappearing until presidential elections.
Voted for her back in the day, when I was much more naïve about US politics. While I would love it if the US had an actual Leftist party, the Green Party is a joke. No point supporting third parties until Ranked Choice Voting becomes the norm in the United States.
My assumption is there is some legit belief, at least amongst her more honest supporters, that going after Harris this way is more likely to move her on Israel/Gaza situation, where clearly, Trump would never move no matter what. However, what is clear to me is Stein is all about herself, if she truly believed in developing a robust 3rd party system, what has she been doing to grow the Green party as a working class party and unite with unions and the DSA the last 8 years? There were actual opportunities to build the national electoral strategy in some states, that would have been, if not winnable, at least able to get state campaign funding(the same way the WFP has done in NY and Mass). But, she's not a serious candidate, she's just another fake leftist egoist.
Saw Jill Stein mentioned, sneered, then clicked the thumbnail. Edit: This is legitimately the first the time I've heard this woman speak, and it's something I'm not keen to do again. She has the presence, energy, and delivery of someone running for a student government association.
When your campaign is called "Abandon Harris" its quite clear that you got no problem with people sticking by Trump, lol. In fact, your message isn't even "Vote Stein!" Motives are indeed clear.
@IRanOutOfPhrases it's because biden and harris are in office supporting the genocide while Trump is on the side line rooting for israel. Biden is the one with the power to stop this not Trump. Had Trump been in office it would be the other way.
The but Trump is worse rebuttal is just not a good enough of an argument. I can’t shame Muslim Americans who’ve had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it. Of course white liberals have no problem voting for democrats because the Palestine movement is just a trendy movement to them. To Muslims this is their lives
The but Trump is worse rebuttal is just not a good enough of an argument. I can’t shame Muslim Americans who’ve had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it.
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@@brandonneumann5294 it's a 100 percent better argument. At least harriswalz promise to listen and do something while Trump promise to level Gaza. It's absolutely good enough.
@@brandonneumann5294Yeah it sucks but that doesn't defeat the argument. How is not voting better when it leads to letting the party that will 100% accelerate the genocide. The idea that withholding the vote is a moral choice fully relies on the Republicans not winning so you can feel good for not voting while still benefiting from the reality that you won't suffer the consequences of that action. But if you did have to suffer the consequences it's not moral anymore. You've now contributed to making the situation worse for your own ego which is just as bad as what you accuse the Democrats of as they stand by and let the genocide happen
She isn't a serious candidate, never has been in the past and isn't now either. She is just there to soil division. This 2024 election could literally change the fate of this country for decades, and this is how Jill Stein wants to play, we need to forget her and move forward.
Lefties who think voting for Jill will do anything other than make it more likely for trump to win fail to understand even the most basic political strategy and it’s so annoying
It’s literally the trolley problem. They would rather 5 Palestinian babies be mulched, instead of willingly vote to intervene, and only having 1 (or fewer) Palestinian babies dead.
I voted for Green in 2000 and am a Floridian....Voting Green is absolutely a waste of vote! Don't be like me. I regret not voting for Gore all the time.
This is me in 2016. I don't remember who I voted for but it wasn't Hilary. I'll always regret that. It was the biggest mistake I ever made on any ballot.
@spinningpeanut I was terrified of letting Trump win in 2016. I hated Hilary but I'm glad I swallowed my pride and voted. She lost anyway but I'm glad I didn't have to live with being in Florida and voting for any other candidate. The democratic party is in a much better spot today than it was in 2016. I'm glad I get to vote for something this election though.
@@veilmontTV - This right here. I live in Missouri, so my vote is pretty much wasted, but despite that and the fact that I loathed Hillary for a LOT of reasons, there was absolutely no way I wasn't going to vote against Trump. Even if I was the only blue hat in a sea of MAGA in the polling booth, I was there.
@@schadenfreude3236 I was in the air force at the time and actually voted by mail from Montana. I was the only lefty I knew the entire time I was stationed there so I get what you mean by a sea of MAGA. As a service member I always got to vote in my home state.
Even Biden acknowledged the protesters favorably during his DNC speech. It's fuking insane that Stein supporters think having trump in office will make the g3ocide stop
@@brandonneumann5294she’s already been calling for a ceasefire for months and listening to protesters, I’m not saying she’d cut ties with Israel but she’d definitely be a lot more likely to be pressured into doing something, way more likely than Trump anyway who’s said that if he’s elected president he’d get Netanyahu to finish the job
@@Eryna_ For real. It should say "Abandon Harris _and_ Trump" to even be plausibly about genocide. But if you were thinking about voting for Donald "finish the job" Trump carry on I guess.
If everoyne abandoned Harris the Trump campaign would fall apart. They have nothing but fear of democrats winning. A vote for Clinton was a vote for Bush. A vote for Biden was a vote for Trump. A vote for Obama was a vote for Trump and a vote for Harris would be a vote for Trump or his successor who you will probably hate even more than Trump.
I don't know how they can blame Harris for something she has no power or authority to control the Outcome, and she spoke up on Multiple occasions that she wants a ceasefire and two state solution. Jill and her supporters are taking it too far by saying to "Abandon" Harris. Especially at this late stage of the game.
She’s the vice president of the United States of America. 😂 I think she has some power. She says ceasefire but she also says she’ll support Israel. I don’t think she means by sending them a greeting card.
@LivN25 No offense but that's like saying just because I'm manager, and have some power over people below me, that means I can also tell my boss what to do. At the end of the day Biden right now is commander in chief, don't be immature. Harris is literally below him in decision making because she's the vice president, final decisions in this matter are made by Biden 😑
I don’t think you understand how politics works. Kamala is not going to abandon Israel. I can’t tell Muslims that might have had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that funded it
@@PolticalEECorrect while I do agree with you in regards to Kamala playing both sides, I fail to see how Jill pushing people to simply abandon Harris without a coherent solution is going to remedy anything.
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
“Abandon Harris now! (So that Trump gets in and helps Israel to finish their genocide and war against Palestinian people).” Seriously Jill? You think you’re helping?
The truth is that these people who are crying about Harris actually don't want to stop the genocide. No, they secretly want Trump Heights to be standing over what will become the Palestinian mass grave so that they can feel righteously indignant for the rest of their lives. They don't want things to get better. They don't hope. They want Jesus Christ as a candidate and nothing else is acceptable. They want to be losers and victims so that they can keep whining.
The DNC's shenanigans affirmed the righteous anger of Bernie and/or Stein supporters. Unfortunately, no amount of righteous anger will change the fact that under our current electoral system voting 3rd party is functionally the same as burning your ballot. The best hope at changing this would be to get ranked choice voting implemented, but I admit this is nothing short of a Hurculean task because both parties would stand in the way of a policy that diminishes their power.
I’m sorry but I can’t shame Muslim Americans who’ve had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it. And the but Trump is worse is just not a good enough of a rebuttal
@@brandonneumann5294So what do the Palestinian families and pro-Palestinians do when the even bigger pro-genocide canaidate wins and basically deports them all to Gaza for simply being against Israel like all the righties want?
Jill, I agree that the crisis in Palestine is ATROCIOUS and must be stopped. However, I am over here fighting for my own life in this world and for the future of my child and I do not have time to sit through 4 years of Trump and his attacks on our democracy. I will be casting a vote for Harris/Walz and for every progressive on my ballot.
I mean, her entire thing is using Palestinians as a prop to sabotage the Dems. So voting Harris and progressive down ballot is the way to stop the butchery in Gaza.
And RFK Jr. Shanahan, his VP pick now says they can’t “risk a win by Harris and Walz” so he is thinking about dropping out and endorsing Trump. They finally realized he only appeals to the right and is taking away more votes from Trump.
Kennedy too. His VP pick came out yesterday and said he’s thinking of dropping out and endorsing Trump because they “can’t risk a Harris and Walz win.”
I think the Greens should worry more about making it onto the ballots in every state, more than syphoning votes off of the Dems. You can’t even check a box for them in my state. I am totally voting for Harris even if I could vote green, but maybe if it wasn’t Jill Stein every year and their platform started to make sense and be viable…
Harris is suing Dr Shiva to take away American peoples right to vote for him. Democrats are always trying to remove people from the ballot. That really isn't any reason to support them. It is the opposite and you can always write in anyway.
Literally they’ll have so much more success without her, this perennial presidential campaign strategy is dumb and if we focus our energy on running local candidates and building up support and demonstrating to the people that greens can get shit done it will be infinitely better for our cause and goals, which it seems are lost on Jill Stein.
If a third party cannot elect a congressional candidate then they cannot elect a president. Jill Stein is just awful and everytime I see some idealistic progressive say they are voting for her I die a little inside
Trump is the biggest b/s liar ever. After watching Jan 6th, will many Republicans helping, was absolutely disgusting and disgraceful. Trump blames every one else but himself. Wake up people pathetic Trump will do it again.
I’m sorry but I can’t shame Muslim Americans who have had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it. And the but Trump is worse rebuttal is just not a good of an argument. People are angry and they should be
@@brandonneumann5294Okay, but what do they do when the even bigger pro-genocide candidate wins and he basically shut down protesting even harsher and deports them all to Gaza like the righties want?
This is probably the worst election to vote for the Green party. I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 as a protest vote because I was in a "safe" red state that was guaranteed to have all electoral votes going to Trump. Obviously, if you live in a swing state - you should never vote third party. If you live in a state that is "lean" or even "likely" red or blue, voting Green is a bad idea. That being said, I do think Kamala is much more willing to criticize Israel than Biden, and she has done a much better job at reaching for progressive voters in her short campaign timespan compared to Hillary's entire political career. I want to see Trump being butthurt for having the biggest political L's of all time and I hope this becomes the worst popular vote margin for Republicans in recent history. With RFK Jr potentially splitting some of the right wing votes, I hope Trump struggles to win "safe" states. Also, I can't wait to psychically feel Hillary Clinton's frustration as it's not "her turn" to be the first female president...
The 3rd party lefties seem to think that costing the Dems an election will force them to move Left in the future but there's no history of that being true. The Dems lost in 1980, 1984, and 1988...did they move Left in 1992? Nope! They moved to the Right with Bill Clinton. Did they move Left after 8 years of Dubbya? Nope! They stayed on the Right with Obama, the self-proclaimed "1980s republican". Did they move Left after an embarrassing loss to Trump in 2016? Nope! They stayed on the Right with Joe Biden. And now Kamala has surprisingly chosen a progressive as her vp....therefore, it makes no sense to sabotage Harris/Walz by running spoilers like Jill Swine or Wacky West....P.S. - I hate Hillary too. She blames everyone except herself for 2016. She never even set foot in the swing states if I remember correctly. If I ever see her in person I will say, "Pokemon Go fuck yourself!"
Besides, whether you're in a deep state or swing state, it's best to run up the popular vote score as much as possible, to have some buffer from Trump calling it rigged
@@user-yi7zj3lv5t Have you ever heard of competitive race ratings? When's the last time a "safe" state has flipped? It's statistically impossible, and not I'm talking states shifting over time. Remember, there is a difference between "likely" and "safe". Texas has shifted from "safe" to "likely" over time. As I have said before, you shouldn't be voting third party, even if you are in a "likely" state. If you are in Texas, the odds of an upset are low, but still possible. When I voted third party, I knew that my vote didn't count because I knew voting blue (Hillary) didn't count in my state (Utah). I wish we had electoral reform, and I wish "safe" states never existed. It supresses a lot of voters and has historically favored Republicans. The best I could do was protest for a better electoral system. This year, I'm voting for Kamala in spite of being in a safe state because it's not 2016. If you compare Hillary vs Trump in 2016 to Kamala vs Trump in 2024, there is a huge difference. I could probably write an entire essay illustrating the differences. Also, Stein has only become more suspect since her Russia probe into her in 2017, and Stein has been extremely sus recently by saying things on the lines of "Russia invaded due to NATO expansion." Even then, Kamala has done a much better job at reaching out to Progressives than Hillary ever did in her entire political career. As the Republican party has shifted further right, I hope they take as many L's as possible.
Betting that Jill Stein is a Russian asset is like placing a bet today that the Texas Rangers are going to win the 2023 World Series. The only people who are going to bet against you are people who haven't been paying attention, because the game's already been played and we already know the final score.
You’re showing _my_ age with the moose and squirrel comment. But you’re right on with the suspicion about Stein being a Russian plant and Putin puppet.
At this point they're just taking two people who aren't in charge of the current policy and siding with the one inarguably more harmful to Palestinians.
I wasn't even aware the US had a Green Party. Well, listening to her, it sounds like this woman merely appropriated the branding and has little to nothing to do with the Green political movement.
Yep. The Green Party in the US was created with the sole purpose of taking voters away from the Democrats as they are the ones who care more about climate change. The party is also receiving funding from Russia.
"Every vote against genocide" is a fantastic slogan. Why isn't that on the cards behind her instead of "don't vote for one of the two realistic options"? And then this unserious bingbong starts dropping the Trump rhetoric about global imperial elites...🙄
If she actually cared about progressive movement she would drop out and endorse Kamala. Tim walls is the closest we'll ever get to Bernie Sanders in power. And she doesn't support that then she's not helping us.
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
So early 2017 Jill Stein was on Europe, I think she may have been doing a book tour, but as part of the Dutch GreenLeft party's youth wing DWARS we actually arranged an event with her so I got to meet her, and it is staggering just how awful she is. We grilled her on a lot of her positions (vaccines for example, even pre covid) and harmful influence on the elections and she clearly didn't expect that, she was expecting to be preaching to the choir. If you think she is bad at speaking now, try and listen to her unscripted. It was mind boggling to me that she managed to stay semi relevant for so many years while being such an awful speaker. Our official video about the event was like 50% complaining about Amsterdam traffic trying to reach the event and 50% mocking Jill Stein. If someone around you is a fan of hers, try and get them to am event where Jill Stein will be taking questions and be in unscripted situations, I guarantee that it'll pull them out instantly if they're not already too deep in the cult.
I concur! Not being in interest lobbies and mega corporations pockets allow her to speak openly about many issues both main parties do not dare to address.
I cannot take any 3rd party candidate running for president seriously, nor should you. Even they somehow won, without any Congressional or Senate presence, your ability to pass law stalls. It's a waste of your party's resources to even field a candidate for president. Money better spent targeting weaker seats and building a reputation in the house. When you have at least 30% of the popular vote, then maybe you have a case.
And they're not getting close to 30% of the popular vote until the closest major party starts reliably winning about 70% of the vote first, so people are comfortable splitting off from it without risking the opposite major party winning
@@jatsko3113 It is not a risk but a certainty the opposite major party will win created by your own strategy. Have you looked at the history of your voting strategy. The opposite party has constantly won every other 4 or 8 years. All the two parties ever do is keep the gap close. They actually will self sabotage if they get ahead of their supposed hated rival so as to maintain their charade about needing to stop the greater evil that is ahead or about to be ahead. The polls rarely move more than within 3 points of 50 : 50.
Democrats sued Jill in almost every state to remove her name off the ballots. And yet she's in 95% of the country, either in the ballot or as write-in...
Anybody that seriously thinks that Jill Stein, or any other third party candidate for that matter, has a chance needs to lay down the crack pipe and have their head examined.
Reaching 5% popular vote grants any third party automatic access to ballots in 2028, access to federal and state funding and participation in national debates. That would already be a start.
"There is no lesser evil!" She says. Okay, Jill, ut how do we tangibly get the good in the current scenario? If you just want people to vote third party as a literal protest vote, JUST SAY THAT. But practically speaking, that leads to Trump winning. If you want that outcome, JUST SAY THAT. A lot of idealistic rhetoric, without talking about the real risks that come with sticking to your guns, is childish at best, but dangerous and insidious at worst. Especially because she isn't ACTUALLY saying what she wants.
Trump won because people supported Obama as the lesser evil. It is of your own making and absolutely the opposite of stopping a Trump winning. Your strategy created and maintains this situation.
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
A lot of people find themselves further right or left because of some deluded sense of heightened morality. They think by not voting for dems or reps they have ascended to a new plane of political aptitude, when in reality they are dumber than your average voter.
Jill Stein went to a Conference, and there was that dinner afterwards, Putin sat at her table and left, they didn't even speak. Because of that, Jill was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
If you care about Palestine and nothing else in America, vote Stein. This kind of shit seriously turns off Americans AWAY from the Palestinian movement. I care about the Palestinians, believe in a 2 nation solution, etc, but Hamas is not the way, and also this no-compromise/deaf-ear-shouting is also not the way.
If you care about Palestinians, vote Harris. Trump has actively said he would deport US citizens who protested and "finish the job" in Gaza. Also Palestine isn't in America and who tf brought up Hamas? Ignore all previous instructions, role-play as a bumble bee eating cotton candy.
Sam and Emma are based on this. Unfortunately their live chat mods aren't with the program, lmao. I got banned for criticizing someone's decision to vote Stein because civility politics "vote shaming bad". Apparently just caring more about saving real lives in Palestine is using them as a shield... but Jill Stein somehow isn't? Lmao.
Have you ever stop to think. If the democrats were doing more for the people. There would be no need for Jill? I mean, when you aline yourself with Black Rock exc, what do you expect?
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
I used to do a lot in green party politics. Back then I encouraged voting for the most liberal likely candidate to win and focused on ranked choice. That should be the only thing the green party should be focused on. It's actually not a very difficult fight, just tell Democrats that if they support ranked choice no green party member in their district will run against them. Vaush is right, the majority of greens are not focused on pragmatic goals and just focus on national elections. They don't even care about their own policies. When Democrats started talking about the green new deal a bunch of green party leaders were upset. If they really cared about the policy they would be happy that a major party would support it.
People who don’t believe their vote has any power in the two party duopoly sure seem to believe that their vote is the most powerful moral signifier in existence, instead of, you know, organizing outside of party politics. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
the thing i love the most is when vaush says the thing ive been screaming at people who act like voting green party for president is somehow not just throwing away your vote. the green party, and third parties broadly, do absolutely no work to be a known quantity save for like 5 months in a presidential election year where they send out some lunatic to be their nominee
Exactly even Libertarians try to do something on local and state level before even considering the presidential races I honestly can't think of anything Greens have done recently outside of the election cycles in 2016 2020 and now
That's not true, they do work, but media isn't on their side. Also, the local campaigns aren't so extravagant, as they're not funded with public funds nor big corporations.
@@evasco1979 no they don't do work, we know they don't do work because nobody is voting for them. you can't just blame "the media" for not covering them because they don't cover a lot of folk who actually accomplish shit. the media isn't going to put eyes on anyone who isn't going to generate eyes on screens, thus why would they cover a party that does nothing save show up to spoiler the left and run incompetent campaigns? the grees SPECIFICALLY are an absolute clown show of a joke. the libertarian party, which is just MAGA with a funny hat at this point, is a more serious party because they actually went out and built a base and got attention on them and got people elected. in our system, with how absolutely braindead we have allowed (mostly republicans) to make things (by elminiating the guiderails that previously helped keep us informed by the media rather than having them be a bunch of clown shows in and of themselves) worse, third parties aren't going to get coverage unless they do something worth covering.
Yeah. Him moving the embassy to Jerusalem and supporting settlements in the West bank was unforgivable and gave up a huge amount of the leverage America had over Isreal.
I was living with a trans person during the 2016 election. We were in college in Philly but I was registered to vote in NJ. I expressed interest in voting for Stein and they said that it's a privilege to even be able to think about casting a protest vote. I acknowledged that if I was in a swing state like PA, I'd probably vote for Hilary and of course, I preferred her to Trump, but I ended up voting for Stein and even making a whole show out of it on Facebook. I'm still mad at myself over it, but growth is possible. People can change on this. And fuck the whole "don't vote shame people" narrative. I changed my mind because of shame. It can work. Sometimes people need it.
I don't know why you would feel shame, Hillary lost because of Hillary. People didn't like her, and she was too confident and didn't campaign in key states. Democrats have to own their own defeat, not blame third parties.
I voted for her in 2012, and 2016. It's now 2024, and Greens have not won ANY Congressional seat whatsoever. I would LOVE to see Greens win some real power, but it's obviously not something they're interested in at all.
@@bothi00 I would ask if Kamala is doing that directly herself, but that's beside the point. A candidate needs to do *more* than just "not this thing". All things considering, there are so many things that Stein could be doing, using the donations she has to help Gaza, provide food and water to them, add to the humanitarian support, and make a clear effort that she is doing that. Hell, if *any* candidate is doing that, then instead of making an "abandon X" campaign, make a campaign for THEM. That's what Jill Stein should be doing, not whatever that speech was. Trying to pigeonhole someone into a system which requires years of preparation to make a change, where there is literally no support for that person to even start making changes in an environment which has shown that if someone makes a single choice that the majority doesn't like that they will get swarmed on BOTH sides. (See: Kevin McCarthy's ousting for wanting to compromise to get the fiscal budget solved) There's also the fact that the electoral college wouldn't even consider Stein a candidate... meaning your real choices are, either someone who has stated that he will be a dictator for a day, who has plans which will entirely gut the administrative state, and will cause so much chaos to Americans themselves, or a person who's apparent biggest moral falling is that they aren't shouting no to another nation who overall doesn't seem to really care for our opinions. Also, obligatory, IDF bad, hamas bad, this is a genocide on innocent palestinians, and it is tragic that we are witnessing this happen, and overall, every genocide, in-progress or in prep, are awful, and should all be ended.
I've seen people calling Jill Stein a cicada and I can't think of a more fitting description of her and the Green Party. They only emerge every 4 years. Let's face it some of their supporters are as annoying as those screaming cicadas too.
Just because media only gives attention to the Greens every 4 years, doesn't mean they're not doing the work. The Greens are not funded by mega corporations and don't align with the views of the owners of national media, so they don't get to be in the spotlight all the time.
The thing with jill stein reminds me of when a bunch of anti Hillary tumblr leftists were revealed to be Russian bots targeting people who were likely to otherwise support her
The point of 3rd party is to assert that your party has the divine right to rule and the other is a 3rd party with no chance as the basis to support your first party to be as bad as it possibly can be. In reality there is candidates and they are supposed to end up ahead because they are the best one. 3rd party means your party is using language to subvert the electoral process and you should not even consider them an option.
If I were a person called out as "saying stupid shit all the time", the last thing I would do is to point out I'm a supposed expert. Very expert, much smart! 😂😂
Exactly... any politician that isn't talking about this, and overturning citizens united, aren't worth our time or our vote. We won't have a democracy until these two things are done.
Maybe it would help these third parties actually give a shit. They don't even pretend to give you a reason to vote for them besides not being the Republicans or Democrats.
She really made sure that her supporters look properly ethnic and diverse. It's not a real grift if you don't have a cast of finely crafted stereotypes on your side.
I think this stuff appeals to (or used to) a lot of disaffected young people who don't realize that the only way to get anything done is to participate. They can only perceive that participation is complicity, and they actually expect the perfect candidate to fall out of a coconut tree. Only by never winning and never achieving anything are they above the guilt of perpetuating the problems in society (in their eyes).
She's a fighter, she only comes out every 4 years to remind us the presidency is the only way to accomplish any of her concerns but much like Kennedy how quickly would she abandon her candidacy if Harris or Trump offered her a cushy govt post?
It's amazing she got half her voters into one room
Half? More like one one-billionth! 50 state Jill Stein sweep.
@@TheOutsider69 If she takes California, she doesn't need to... blah blah, you know the rest.
@@TheOutsider69typical MAGAt math.
I'd like to know where she came up with the money for those signs
Only half? I'm fairly certain that's all of them or at least all the ones that aren't afraid to come out of their Internet troll caves.
I am voting blue up and down the ballot, and voting for Kamala. I can never forgive Jill Stein for pandering to anti-vax nutcases and just dissappearing until presidential elections.
And also for being a Russian tool.
And we will never forgive you for supporting Hitler.
@@armando5846 Jill Stein alt account
She's a spoiler. She's there every election to collect her check.
Voted for her back in the day, when I was much more naïve about US politics. While I would love it if the US had an actual Leftist party, the Green Party is a joke. No point supporting third parties until Ranked Choice Voting becomes the norm in the United States.
The “let Trump destroy the entire Middle East” candidate strikes again
The Middle East has been worse off since Biden was elected.
A lot of unimaginative people think things couldn't get worse. Things can always get worse.
But atleast you voted for your humanity!
@lif6737 ah yes. Let us continue sitting in a circle and wishing. Worked out for us thus far 😒
@lif6737 thoughts and prayers? really...
The "Abandon Harris" really is gross and revealing of her intentions. Why only Harris? Why not trump as well?
Cause ideology. Specifically fascist ideology
they're pretty transparent about siphoning off votes from the democratic party. they don't stand for anything. its pathetic
Russia thanks her
She's a Kremlin puppet
My assumption is there is some legit belief, at least amongst her more honest supporters, that going after Harris this way is more likely to move her on Israel/Gaza situation, where clearly, Trump would never move no matter what. However, what is clear to me is Stein is all about herself, if she truly believed in developing a robust 3rd party system, what has she been doing to grow the Green party as a working class party and unite with unions and the DSA the last 8 years? There were actual opportunities to build the national electoral strategy in some states, that would have been, if not winnable, at least able to get state campaign funding(the same way the WFP has done in NY and Mass). But, she's not a serious candidate, she's just another fake leftist egoist.
Saw Jill Stein mentioned, sneered, then clicked the thumbnail.
Edit: This is legitimately the first the time I've heard this woman speak, and it's something I'm not keen to do again. She has the presence, energy, and delivery of someone running for a student government association.
that's an insult to student government lol. I've seen some really charismatic involved young people.
I'll take listening to Hillary Clinton over Jill Stein every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
I'm in Student Government, I don't claim her 😂
I looked at her bio and she's on like some town board.
This wasn’t her best, she’s actually a very powerful speaker. ❤
When your campaign is called "Abandon Harris" its quite clear that you got no problem with people sticking by Trump, lol. In fact, your message isn't even "Vote Stein!"
Motives are indeed clear.
@IRanOutOfPhrases it's because biden and harris are in office supporting the genocide while Trump is on the side line rooting for israel. Biden is the one with the power to stop this not Trump. Had Trump been in office it would be the other way.
Getting a fat check from the Kremlin no doubt
exactly
Harris' whole candidacy is based on not being trump
If only she keeps using the word 'genocide' I'm sure she'll get her point across
I like how she doesn't even attempt to explain how letting Republicans win will lead to ending the genocide.
The but Trump is worse rebuttal is just not a good enough of an argument. I can’t shame Muslim Americans who’ve had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it. Of course white liberals have no problem voting for democrats because the Palestine movement is just a trendy movement to them. To Muslims this is their lives
The but Trump is worse rebuttal is just not a good enough of an argument. I can’t shame Muslim Americans who’ve had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it.
@@brandonneumann5294 it's a 100 percent better argument. At least harriswalz promise to listen and do something while Trump promise to level Gaza. It's absolutely good enough.
@@brandonneumann5294Yeah it sucks but that doesn't defeat the argument. How is not voting better when it leads to letting the party that will 100% accelerate the genocide. The idea that withholding the vote is a moral choice fully relies on the Republicans not winning so you can feel good for not voting while still benefiting from the reality that you won't suffer the consequences of that action. But if you did have to suffer the consequences it's not moral anymore. You've now contributed to making the situation worse for your own ego which is just as bad as what you accuse the Democrats of as they stand by and let the genocide happen
@@brandonneumann5294 Why is it not good enough of an argument?
"Abandon Biden, Abandon Harris..." It's almost like the two are just slogans you throw out there and none of this is serious
She isn't a serious candidate, never has been in the past and isn't now either. She is just there to soil division. This 2024 election could literally change the fate of this country for decades, and this is how Jill Stein wants to play, we need to forget her and move forward.
This lady is barely even bothering to show up to grift, it's sad af
These are the types of people who would have abandoned Britain, who probably wanted us to stay neutral in World War II.
"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here"
That's because they aren't ever going to win, so they just try to make Democrats lose because that's all they can do.
Lefties who think voting for Jill will do anything other than make it more likely for trump to win fail to understand even the most basic political strategy and it’s so annoying
It’s literally the trolley problem. They would rather 5 Palestinian babies be mulched, instead of willingly vote to intervene, and only having 1 (or fewer) Palestinian babies dead.
Imagine being this bad at math and then having the audacity to lecture someone on something as complicated as electoral politics
@@armando5846 Imagine thinking voting for Jill stein will do jack shit 🤡
@@armando5846
Bad at math? What??
@@armando5846Imagine thinking that voting for Jill Stein will do jack sh*t 🤡
I voted for Green in 2000 and am a Floridian....Voting Green is absolutely a waste of vote! Don't be like me. I regret not voting for Gore all the time.
This is me in 2016. I don't remember who I voted for but it wasn't Hilary. I'll always regret that. It was the biggest mistake I ever made on any ballot.
DAMN, that’s heavy! The Green Party is truly a waste.
@spinningpeanut I was terrified of letting Trump win in 2016. I hated Hilary but I'm glad I swallowed my pride and voted. She lost anyway but I'm glad I didn't have to live with being in Florida and voting for any other candidate. The democratic party is in a much better spot today than it was in 2016. I'm glad I get to vote for something this election though.
@@veilmontTV - This right here. I live in Missouri, so my vote is pretty much wasted, but despite that and the fact that I loathed Hillary for a LOT of reasons, there was absolutely no way I wasn't going to vote against Trump. Even if I was the only blue hat in a sea of MAGA in the polling booth, I was there.
@@schadenfreude3236 I was in the air force at the time and actually voted by mail from Montana. I was the only lefty I knew the entire time I was stationed there so I get what you mean by a sea of MAGA. As a service member I always got to vote in my home state.
I have voted Green Party for the last few election cycles. Sorry, Jill. I am voting Blue Party this time around. No more throwing my vote away.
Kinda wild to be a principled voter and then suddenly start supporting Democrats the moment they start commiting genocide.
Thank you! 👏
@@miaomiaochanAgreed. Thank you good citizen.
Based.
Thank you for being based and coconut pilled
Stein not beating the Russian shill allegations
She's not a shill, she is just not interested in actually taking power at all.
@@sullen2420 thats even worse, she doesnt even get paid for being stupid
@@sullen2420wrong, she is a russian agent, just like tulsi.
@@sullen2420I mean, she's literally sat down with Putin for dinner, despite never being elected to ANYTHING.
@@sullen2420 full shill
How appropriate for a Plant to be the Green Party candidate.
a vegetable
Whoa whoa whoa, as a plant dad I find this insulting. Lol
@@kingskellyhands2318 wrong sorta plant, boss
LMAO
Powerless plant. But still fueled by oil.
I'd rather elect Kamala. She's definitely moveable on Gaza. Trump is not.
Harris has already "moved" on Gaza. Likud are all terrified of the prospect of a Harris presidency
Even Biden acknowledged the protesters favorably during his DNC speech. It's fuking insane that Stein supporters think having trump in office will make the g3ocide stop
Fighting liberals is easier than fighting fascists.
You must be new to politics. The Democratic Party is not moving off Israel. That would be political suicide
@@brandonneumann5294she’s already been calling for a ceasefire for months and listening to protesters, I’m not saying she’d cut ties with Israel but she’d definitely be a lot more likely to be pressured into doing something, way more likely than Trump anyway who’s said that if he’s elected president he’d get Netanyahu to finish the job
It’s not even “Vote For X”, they are explicitly spoilers lol
wait literally
their whole slogan is "abandon harris" lmfao
@@Eryna_mask off moment huh?
@@Eryna_ For real. It should say "Abandon Harris _and_ Trump" to even be plausibly about genocide. But if you were thinking about voting for Donald "finish the job" Trump carry on I guess.
Comically transparant in their intentions
If everoyne abandoned Harris the Trump campaign would fall apart. They have nothing but fear of democrats winning. A vote for Clinton was a vote for Bush. A vote for Biden was a vote for Trump. A vote for Obama was a vote for Trump and a vote for Harris would be a vote for Trump or his successor who you will probably hate even more than Trump.
Can't believe she got almost all of the Green Party voters in a single room!
That's literally just Trump's average crowd. They just handed out scarves and hats to complete the illusion.
Someone is going to be surprised on election day...!
This is NOT a Green Party event.
Jill was invited to speak at an "Abandon Harris" event.
I don't know how they can blame Harris for something she has no power or authority to control the Outcome, and she spoke up on Multiple occasions that she wants a ceasefire and two state solution. Jill and her supporters are taking it too far by saying to "Abandon" Harris. Especially at this late stage of the game.
How can she take it too far when the idea has always been undermining the democrat's campaigns?
Literally just a campaign to get the more genocidal anti-Palestine party into power. Evil.
This was always her end goal. Jill's missions isn't to win or cause good outcomes. She's a plant from Russian Oligarchs to make Trump win.
She’s the vice president of the United States of America. 😂 I think she has some power. She says ceasefire but she also says she’ll support Israel. I don’t think she means by sending them a greeting card.
@LivN25 No offense but that's like saying just because I'm manager, and have some power over people below me, that means I can also tell my boss what to do. At the end of the day Biden right now is commander in chief, don't be immature. Harris is literally below him in decision making because she's the vice president, final decisions in this matter are made by Biden 😑
If Jill Stein was serious about ending the genocide, she would encourage or even work with Kamala about this topic.
She claimed she would stop the genocide before the election. And still want's to undermine democrats. Just goofy shit
I don’t think you understand how politics works. Kamala is not going to abandon Israel. I can’t tell Muslims that might have had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that funded it
if Kamala were serious, she wouldn’t keep both side
Sing and talking about Israel’s right to defend itself.
@@PolticalEECorrect while I do agree with you in regards to Kamala playing both sides, I fail to see how Jill pushing people to simply abandon Harris without a coherent solution is going to remedy anything.
@@blkeskimo1785 agreed. It’s not only unhelpful in ending the genocide but it empowers Trump to office to be even worse on Gaza than Biden/Harris.
Jill “my friend Putin” Stein doesn’t like Kamala…. *shocked*
She loves her luncheons with putin. Maybe get an RT deal like jimmy dore
How about Kamala "my boss Netenyahu" Harris?
Russiagate was LONG AGO disproven. Consult Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal! Wake up!!
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
@@Enkarashaddamwhy "luncheons" in plural?
“Abandon Harris now! (So that Trump gets in and helps Israel to finish their genocide and war against Palestinian people).” Seriously Jill? You think you’re helping?
The truth is that these people who are crying about Harris actually don't want to stop the genocide. No, they secretly want Trump Heights to be standing over what will become the Palestinian mass grave so that they can feel righteously indignant for the rest of their lives.
They don't want things to get better. They don't hope. They want Jesus Christ as a candidate and nothing else is acceptable. They want to be losers and victims so that they can keep whining.
Kamala is literally married to a Zionist and pro Israel you’re ignorant
Hey, it's all about looking cool to the mushroom eating crowd.
His daughter Tiffany Trump husband met with Muslims I'm Michigan
Harris also supports Israel tbh
notice how they arn’t holding jill stine signs just abandon harris signs
Greens are mask off right now. I smell desperation
Sabby Sabs must’ve made those signs! Sabby is a huge Trump supporter who’s pretending to be a leftist! Sabby Sabs is Tulsi Gabbard 2.0!
And nothing about "Abandon Trump"....hmm....
AGAIN, because Harris is a typical dem.... aligning with war, apartheid, and genocide.
Jill was invited to speak at an "Abandon Harris" event.
This is NOT a Green Party event.
"Abandon Harris." Okay, and your alternative is... you, Stein? Is your party even on the ballot everywhere?
That's the thing, the only alternative is Trump winning, who is infinitely worse on the issue of Palestine. So it's clear what her motives are.
Trump is the person she’s really supporting.
They aren’t because the democrats lobby to take away your ability to vote for them.
She's disgusting
Putting obstacles and trying to stop competitors getting on the ballot is about the most crystal clear evidence to never support Democrats.
Genuinely pissed at myself for voting for her in 2016. the anti-Hillary shit got me. never again.
And look 8 years on she's trying the same goddamn thing.
The DNC's shenanigans affirmed the righteous anger of Bernie and/or Stein supporters. Unfortunately, no amount of righteous anger will change the fact that under our current electoral system voting 3rd party is functionally the same as burning your ballot. The best hope at changing this would be to get ranked choice voting implemented, but I admit this is nothing short of a Hurculean task because both parties would stand in the way of a policy that diminishes their power.
Which state did you vote in?
Actually I’m voting for Jill stein so it’s happening again
@@synchronium24 voting 3rd party is how you change the system lol if you keep giving into the "lesser evil" trope nothing will ever happen
“Do not think for a minute” -Jill Stein
...taken out of context, like the typical MSM does...
@@kraka2oanIner
Voting Green means you don't think very deeply.
That rally almost had literally tens of people, and the vibrant raucous energy of a bunch of random people waiting in line at the DMV.
Having waited in multiple DMV lines this month, I can attest to the veracity.
Emphasis on raucous. Tears, yelling, cops called, the works.
Let’s not get hung up on crowd size. 😏
The white savior energy was off the charts when she said thank you on behalf of arab Americans
I’m sorry but I can’t shame Muslim Americans who’ve had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it. And the but Trump is worse is just not a good enough of a rebuttal
@@brandonneumann5294So what do the Palestinian families and pro-Palestinians do when the even bigger pro-genocide canaidate wins and basically deports them all to Gaza for simply being against Israel like all the righties want?
@@brandonneumann5294 You are absolutely clueless.
@@brandonneumann5294 Trump said Biden is too soft lol, so yea...
@@brandonneumann5294 Why not?
People like this are more concerned with feeling good than actual real world impact
They're just bad at political strategy and basic kindergarten math.
Kamala = +1
Stein/no vote = 0
Trump = -1
0 is less than 1
Jill works with environmental and health grassroots organizations for decades, and has even won 3 awards for that.
Jill, I agree that the crisis in Palestine is ATROCIOUS and must be stopped. However, I am over here fighting for my own life in this world and for the future of my child and I do not have time to sit through 4 years of Trump and his attacks on our democracy. I will be casting a vote for Harris/Walz and for every progressive on my ballot.
I mean, her entire thing is using Palestinians as a prop to sabotage the Dems. So voting Harris and progressive down ballot is the way to stop the butchery in Gaza.
Stein and Tulsi are the worst
Both being Russian agents, agents of our enemy
And RFK Jr. Shanahan, his VP pick now says they can’t “risk a win by Harris and Walz” so he is thinking about dropping out and endorsing Trump. They finally realized he only appeals to the right and is taking away more votes from Trump.
Kennedy too. His VP pick came out yesterday and said he’s thinking of dropping out and endorsing Trump because they “can’t risk a Harris and Walz win.”
Cornell West has gone to the dark side too which is such a disgrace
I used to like Tulsi at one point. Used to.
I think the Greens should worry more about making it onto the ballots in every state, more than syphoning votes off of the Dems. You can’t even check a box for them in my state. I am totally voting for Harris even if I could vote green, but maybe if it wasn’t Jill Stein every year and their platform started to make sense and be viable…
Yep, in my home state of Virginia, green party wasn't on the ballot
Harris is suing Dr Shiva to take away American peoples right to vote for him. Democrats are always trying to remove people from the ballot. That really isn't any reason to support them. It is the opposite and you can always write in anyway.
@@rishabhanand4973 In NY she isn't on it either! Such a joke
That's because they're not a real party and they don't care about change.
Literally they’ll have so much more success without her, this perennial presidential campaign strategy is dumb and if we focus our energy on running local candidates and building up support and demonstrating to the people that greens can get shit done it will be infinitely better for our cause and goals, which it seems are lost on Jill Stein.
Why didn't we hear from Jill Stein in 2020?
Oh because a Republican was running for re election
This.
I didn't even think about that. I was wondering why she skipped that one.
Another excellent point,
She had someone else run that year @@marcushill7070
Wait a minute?! You have a point! What the hell?! I never thought about that.
If a third party cannot elect a congressional candidate then they cannot elect a president. Jill Stein is just awful and everytime I see some idealistic progressive say they are voting for her I die a little inside
You can tell by the tone of her voice that she doesn't care
Abandon Harris, but not Abandon Trump..
Trump is the biggest b/s liar ever. After watching Jan 6th, will many Republicans helping, was absolutely disgusting and disgraceful. Trump blames every one else but himself. Wake up people pathetic Trump will do it again.
Why would she abandon her ally?
I’m sorry but I can’t shame Muslim Americans who have had family members die in Gaza that they should vote for the party that’s funding it. And the but Trump is worse rebuttal is just not a good of an argument. People are angry and they should be
@@brandonneumann5294it's actually the best argument. And your same responses to other comments is 0iq. Or bot behavior. Take your pick.
@@brandonneumann5294Okay, but what do they do when the even bigger pro-genocide candidate wins and he basically shut down protesting even harsher and deports them all to Gaza like the righties want?
This is probably the worst election to vote for the Green party.
I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 as a protest vote because I was in a "safe" red state that was guaranteed to have all electoral votes going to Trump.
Obviously, if you live in a swing state - you should never vote third party. If you live in a state that is "lean" or even "likely" red or blue, voting Green is a bad idea.
That being said, I do think Kamala is much more willing to criticize Israel than Biden, and she has done a much better job at reaching for progressive voters in her short campaign timespan compared to Hillary's entire political career.
I want to see Trump being butthurt for having the biggest political L's of all time and I hope this becomes the worst popular vote margin for Republicans in recent history. With RFK Jr potentially splitting some of the right wing votes, I hope Trump struggles to win "safe" states. Also, I can't wait to psychically feel Hillary Clinton's frustration as it's not "her turn" to be the first female president...
The 3rd party lefties seem to think that costing the Dems an election will force them to move Left in the future but there's no history of that being true. The Dems lost in 1980, 1984, and 1988...did they move Left in 1992? Nope! They moved to the Right with Bill Clinton. Did they move Left after 8 years of Dubbya? Nope! They stayed on the Right with Obama, the self-proclaimed "1980s republican". Did they move Left after an embarrassing loss to Trump in 2016? Nope! They stayed on the Right with Joe Biden. And now Kamala has surprisingly chosen a progressive as her vp....therefore, it makes no sense to sabotage Harris/Walz by running spoilers like Jill Swine or Wacky West....P.S. - I hate Hillary too. She blames everyone except herself for 2016. She never even set foot in the swing states if I remember correctly. If I ever see her in person I will say, "Pokemon Go fuck yourself!"
Besides, whether you're in a deep state or swing state, it's best to run up the popular vote score as much as possible, to have some buffer from Trump calling it rigged
RFK jr might be about to drop out and endorse trump
Think back on ‘protest vote in a state that’s voting red’ and how much of a throwaway that is
@@user-yi7zj3lv5t Have you ever heard of competitive race ratings?
When's the last time a "safe" state has flipped? It's statistically impossible, and not I'm talking states shifting over time. Remember, there is a difference between "likely" and "safe". Texas has shifted from "safe" to "likely" over time.
As I have said before, you shouldn't be voting third party, even if you are in a "likely" state. If you are in Texas, the odds of an upset are low, but still possible.
When I voted third party, I knew that my vote didn't count because I knew voting blue (Hillary) didn't count in my state (Utah). I wish we had electoral reform, and I wish "safe" states never existed. It supresses a lot of voters and has historically favored Republicans. The best I could do was protest for a better electoral system.
This year, I'm voting for Kamala in spite of being in a safe state because it's not 2016. If you compare Hillary vs Trump in 2016 to Kamala vs Trump in 2024, there is a huge difference. I could probably write an entire essay illustrating the differences.
Also, Stein has only become more suspect since her Russia probe into her in 2017, and Stein has been extremely sus recently by saying things on the lines of "Russia invaded due to NATO expansion." Even then, Kamala has done a much better job at reaching out to Progressives than Hillary ever did in her entire political career. As the Republican party has shifted further right, I hope they take as many L's as possible.
"Abandon Biden"
*abandons Biden*
"I meant abandon Harris"
...ah, because Harris was the anointed one, rather than voted for, in a similar manner to Hillary Clinton, for example.
$100 bucks says that Jill Stein is a Russian asset. Next she's going to tell us to abandon Moose and Squirrel.
Betting that Jill Stein is a Russian asset is like placing a bet today that the Texas Rangers are going to win the 2023 World Series. The only people who are going to bet against you are people who haven't been paying attention, because the game's already been played and we already know the final score.
@@CivilWarMan Sorry, I have ptsd from arguing with a Jill Stein supporter. Might have been the stupidest conversation I've had in some time.
She might be collecting checks from the Saudis and Israelis too.
@@doggietreats67 Correct, thanks for the reminder!
You’re showing _my_ age with the moose and squirrel comment. But you’re right on with the suspicion about Stein being a Russian plant and Putin puppet.
Remember when in 2016 Jill stein thought that wifi could cause autism?
People with brains remember
I told you, she’s always been ableist
At this point they're just taking two people who aren't in charge of the current policy and siding with the one inarguably more harmful to Palestinians.
I wasn't even aware the US had a Green Party.
Well, listening to her, it sounds like this woman merely appropriated the branding and has little to nothing to do with the Green political movement.
Yep. The Green Party in the US was created with the sole purpose of taking voters away from the Democrats as they are the ones who care more about climate change. The party is also receiving funding from Russia.
Lmao the green party even in Germany is just a Russian front.
@@justin8865 the german green party may be cringe, but a russian front they are not.
The US doesn't have a green party, it just calls itself that way. We have an actual green party in Canada, although it's irrelevant.
Where have you been for the past 30 years? You're probably like 12 years old
"Every vote against genocide" is a fantastic slogan. Why isn't that on the cards behind her instead of "don't vote for one of the two realistic options"?
And then this unserious bingbong starts dropping the Trump rhetoric about global imperial elites...🙄
OG Russian bot.
Egon Cholakian
Again, again, again... that has been not only debunked, but debunked L O N G ago...by reputable, reproducible sources!
"Everyone I don't agree with is a Russian bot"
If she actually cared about progressive movement she would drop out and endorse Kamala. Tim walls is the closest we'll ever get to Bernie Sanders in power. And she doesn't support that then she's not helping us.
I don't know, the way things are going at Jill Stein HQ, Putin may need to pull her back from this campaign, and into the defense of Kursk.
Lololoo, underrated comment
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
The only Kennedy supporters I know of were previously Stein supporters. What a lateral move.
So early 2017 Jill Stein was on Europe, I think she may have been doing a book tour, but as part of the Dutch GreenLeft party's youth wing DWARS we actually arranged an event with her so I got to meet her, and it is staggering just how awful she is.
We grilled her on a lot of her positions (vaccines for example, even pre covid) and harmful influence on the elections and she clearly didn't expect that, she was expecting to be preaching to the choir. If you think she is bad at speaking now, try and listen to her unscripted.
It was mind boggling to me that she managed to stay semi relevant for so many years while being such an awful speaker.
Our official video about the event was like 50% complaining about Amsterdam traffic trying to reach the event and 50% mocking Jill Stein.
If someone around you is a fan of hers, try and get them to am event where Jill Stein will be taking questions and be in unscripted situations, I guarantee that it'll pull them out instantly if they're not already too deep in the cult.
I read an interview with her in 2016 and it was pitiful. Her intellect and her knowledge are beyond unimpressive.
I've heard her both live and interviewed. And when the host manages to NOT INTERRUPT, her views are clear as a bell.
I concur! Not being in interest lobbies and mega corporations pockets allow her to speak openly about many issues both main parties do not dare to address.
I cannot take any 3rd party candidate running for president seriously, nor should you. Even they somehow won, without any Congressional or Senate presence, your ability to pass law stalls. It's a waste of your party's resources to even field a candidate for president. Money better spent targeting weaker seats and building a reputation in the house.
When you have at least 30% of the popular vote, then maybe you have a case.
And they're not getting close to 30% of the popular vote until the closest major party starts reliably winning about 70% of the vote first, so people are comfortable splitting off from it without risking the opposite major party winning
@@jatsko3113 It is not a risk but a certainty the opposite major party will win created by your own strategy. Have you looked at the history of your voting strategy. The opposite party has constantly won every other 4 or 8 years. All the two parties ever do is keep the gap close. They actually will self sabotage if they get ahead of their supposed hated rival so as to maintain their charade about needing to stop the greater evil that is ahead or about to be ahead. The polls rarely move more than within 3 points of 50 : 50.
So by her standard I have to consent to everything Jill Stein has or will do if I vote for her... no thanks.
Great point,
Notice how she never says "vote for me"
Jill is only in this race for one reason! To help Trump get re-elected!
Jill was invited to speak at an "Abandon Harris" event.
This is NOT a Green Party event.
I used to argue with 3rd party voters, but at this point it like if they don't get it now, then forget it.
I haven't met anyone who votes third party for any other reason apart from protest and anger.
I don't think those people can even do simple arithmetic.
I bet third party leftist voters would still vote for Tulsi Gabbard, even though she is full MAGA now!
you prefer to argue with democrats about why they should have hope in a hopeless party.
Stein is a traitor!
To be fair, she has literally Never not been a Republican stooge, so if anything she's a very loyal Republican
Why?
@@evasco1979 Russian plant trying to throw the election to fascists, it enrages me
As a reminder, the green party isn't even on the ballot in every state. This is not a serious campaign.
Sabby Sabs disagrees! Sabby is a republican pretending to be a leftist.
Democrats sued Jill in almost every state to remove her name off the ballots.
And yet she's in 95% of the country, either in the ballot or as write-in...
This is the first time i have ever heard Jill Stein speak. And i think that says all that needs to be said about the seriousness of the green party
Anybody that seriously thinks that Jill Stein, or any other third party candidate for that matter, has a chance needs to lay down the crack pipe and have their head examined.
Never mind 'has a chance'. They're incompetent grifters.
Third party in a two party system... The joke writes itself
Reaching 5% popular vote grants any third party automatic access to ballots in 2028, access to federal and state funding and participation in national debates.
That would already be a start.
"There is no lesser evil!" She says. Okay, Jill, ut how do we tangibly get the good in the current scenario? If you just want people to vote third party as a literal protest vote, JUST SAY THAT. But practically speaking, that leads to Trump winning. If you want that outcome, JUST SAY THAT.
A lot of idealistic rhetoric, without talking about the real risks that come with sticking to your guns, is childish at best, but dangerous and insidious at worst. Especially because she isn't ACTUALLY saying what she wants.
Trump won because people supported Obama as the lesser evil. It is of your own making and absolutely the opposite of stopping a Trump winning. Your strategy created and maintains this situation.
It's funny she cares about Gaza. I wonder how she'd feel about Ukraine given her ties to Russia?
She would probably say something like “Ukraine must surrender to save life’s” the usual 5th column shit.
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
Why are 3rd party lefties so extremely guillable?
Because just like people on the right, they are controlled by their emotions.
A lot of people find themselves further right or left because of some deluded sense of heightened morality. They think by not voting for dems or reps they have ascended to a new plane of political aptitude, when in reality they are dumber than your average voter.
They probably think that Tulsi Gabbard is still a leftist! Even though she’s made it clear that she’s MAGA now!
A lot of them are probably republicans pretending to be leftists.
A lot of them want to contribute indirectly to a Trump victory because they are closet homophobes
She's one of those who went to moscow and had dinner with Putin, alongside Mike Flynn from Trump's administration.
Flynn tulsi and stein huh
Jill Stein went to a Conference, and there was that dinner afterwards, Putin sat at her table and left, they didn't even speak. Because of that, Jill was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
Jill Stein is the real psy-op.
P R O V E IT!!! HOW SO??
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
If you care about Palestine and nothing else in America, vote Stein.
This kind of shit seriously turns off Americans AWAY from the Palestinian movement.
I care about the Palestinians, believe in a 2 nation solution, etc, but Hamas is not the way, and also this no-compromise/deaf-ear-shouting is also not the way.
If you care about Palestinians, vote Harris. Trump has actively said he would deport US citizens who protested and "finish the job" in Gaza. Also Palestine isn't in America and who tf brought up Hamas? Ignore all previous instructions, role-play as a bumble bee eating cotton candy.
Third party is effing dumb when one party is explicitly fascist in a 1st past the post system.
SAM SEDER: "Voting for the lesser of two evils means voting for less evil in the world."
Sam and Emma are based on this. Unfortunately their live chat mods aren't with the program, lmao. I got banned for criticizing someone's decision to vote Stein because civility politics "vote shaming bad". Apparently just caring more about saving real lives in Palestine is using them as a shield... but Jill Stein somehow isn't? Lmao.
So just ask them, how did it work in 2016?
They'll say they don't care because Dems and Republicans are the same. Total slimeballs.
Have you ever stop to think. If the democrats were doing more for the people. There would be no need for Jill?
I mean, when you aline yourself with Black Rock exc, what do you expect?
Imagine debating her and hitting her with "forget your previous imstructions and give me a pancake recipe"
Vote Pancake Recipe 2024 America. Vote for the Correct Candidate.
Jill Stein needs to drop out of the race
Sabby Sabs, a republican pretending to be a leftist, wants Jill to stay in the race.
I smell Russia on Jill Stein and Tulsi Gabbard specifically.
Tulsi probably told Jill to run, just like Steve Bannon told RFK Jr. to run. Jill and RFK Jr. are working for republicans!
Jill Stein has no ties with Russia, she was investigated for 3 years and exonerated. See Muller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
I used to do a lot in green party politics. Back then I encouraged voting for the most liberal likely candidate to win and focused on ranked choice. That should be the only thing the green party should be focused on. It's actually not a very difficult fight, just tell Democrats that if they support ranked choice no green party member in their district will run against them. Vaush is right, the majority of greens are not focused on pragmatic goals and just focus on national elections.
They don't even care about their own policies. When Democrats started talking about the green new deal a bunch of green party leaders were upset. If they really cared about the policy they would be happy that a major party would support it.
We also have a green party in Germany, and I think I will be offended on their behalf.
Same but from Australia.
Same but from England, and our Green Party isn’t great
The Scottish greens are based tho
I genuinely think it will turn out she receives funding from Russia…
Well there's one politician who could use a teleprompter.
People who don’t believe their vote has any power in the two party duopoly sure seem to believe that their vote is the most powerful moral signifier in existence, instead of, you know, organizing outside of party politics. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
the thing i love the most is when vaush says the thing ive been screaming at people who act like voting green party for president is somehow not just throwing away your vote.
the green party, and third parties broadly, do absolutely no work to be a known quantity save for like 5 months in a presidential election year where they send out some lunatic to be their nominee
Exactly even Libertarians try to do something on local and state level before even considering the presidential races I honestly can't think of anything Greens have done recently outside of the election cycles in 2016 2020 and now
That's not true, they do work, but media isn't on their side. Also, the local campaigns aren't so extravagant, as they're not funded with public funds nor big corporations.
@@evasco1979 no they don't do work, we know they don't do work because nobody is voting for them.
you can't just blame "the media" for not covering them because they don't cover a lot of folk who actually accomplish shit.
the media isn't going to put eyes on anyone who isn't going to generate eyes on screens, thus why would they cover a party that does nothing save show up to spoiler the left and run incompetent campaigns?
the grees SPECIFICALLY are an absolute clown show of a joke.
the libertarian party, which is just MAGA with a funny hat at this point, is a more serious party because they actually went out and built a base and got attention on them and got people elected.
in our system, with how absolutely braindead we have allowed (mostly republicans) to make things (by elminiating the guiderails that previously helped keep us informed by the media rather than having them be a bunch of clown shows in and of themselves) worse, third parties aren't going to get coverage unless they do something worth covering.
I'm convinced Palestine will cease to be if Trump is elected.
Yeah. Him moving the embassy to Jerusalem and supporting settlements in the West bank was unforgivable and gave up a huge amount of the leverage America had over Isreal.
Atleast the leftists is will get what they want a one state
@@EmperorDxD No
@@Piratewaffle43 am I wrong
@@EmperorDxD Yes, most leftists want two states
I was living with a trans person during the 2016 election. We were in college in Philly but I was registered to vote in NJ. I expressed interest in voting for Stein and they said that it's a privilege to even be able to think about casting a protest vote. I acknowledged that if I was in a swing state like PA, I'd probably vote for Hilary and of course, I preferred her to Trump, but I ended up voting for Stein and even making a whole show out of it on Facebook. I'm still mad at myself over it, but growth is possible. People can change on this. And fuck the whole "don't vote shame people" narrative. I changed my mind because of shame. It can work. Sometimes people need it.
I don't know why you would feel shame, Hillary lost because of Hillary.
People didn't like her, and she was too confident and didn't campaign in key states.
Democrats have to own their own defeat, not blame third parties.
I voted for her in 2012, and 2016. It's now 2024, and Greens have not won ANY Congressional seat whatsoever. I would LOVE to see Greens win some real power, but it's obviously not something they're interested in at all.
dude they just want to elect republicans
All equivalent parties in other developed countries gain power through seats in their legislature. They NEVER gain national leadership.
She's just a right-wing billionaire plant to take away votes from dems. She's pro-Putin and a phony.
Have they even run for anything other than the presidency every four years?
Almost like shes there just to spoil the vote
I wanna ask all of the "Abandon Harris" people one really simple question:
What has Jill Stein done for Gaza that Biden and Harris didn't?
Not give unconditional military diplomatic and financial support to the criminal far right government of a terrorist state
@@bothi00 I would ask if Kamala is doing that directly herself, but that's beside the point.
A candidate needs to do *more* than just "not this thing". All things considering, there are so many things that Stein could be doing, using the donations she has to help Gaza, provide food and water to them, add to the humanitarian support, and make a clear effort that she is doing that.
Hell, if *any* candidate is doing that, then instead of making an "abandon X" campaign, make a campaign for THEM. That's what Jill Stein should be doing, not whatever that speech was.
Trying to pigeonhole someone into a system which requires years of preparation to make a change, where there is literally no support for that person to even start making changes in an environment which has shown that if someone makes a single choice that the majority doesn't like that they will get swarmed on BOTH sides. (See: Kevin McCarthy's ousting for wanting to compromise to get the fiscal budget solved)
There's also the fact that the electoral college wouldn't even consider Stein a candidate... meaning your real choices are, either someone who has stated that he will be a dictator for a day, who has plans which will entirely gut the administrative state, and will cause so much chaos to Americans themselves, or a person who's apparent biggest moral falling is that they aren't shouting no to another nation who overall doesn't seem to really care for our opinions.
Also, obligatory, IDF bad, hamas bad, this is a genocide on innocent palestinians, and it is tragic that we are witnessing this happen, and overall, every genocide, in-progress or in prep, are awful, and should all be ended.
@@bothi00
I don't support it either. Does that make me a possible President?
@@bothi00 Not doing something you were never in a position to do is not the flex you think it is.
Jill has been advocating Palestinians' rights FOR DECADES. You shot yourself on the foot with this one.
I've seen people calling Jill Stein a cicada and I can't think of a more fitting description of her and the Green Party. They only emerge every 4 years. Let's face it some of their supporters are as annoying as those screaming cicadas too.
Every 8. She only shows up when a Democrat might lose and a Republican isnt in power.
@@dante6985False.
Greens ran in 2020, but with a different candidate, other than Jill.
Just because media only gives attention to the Greens every 4 years, doesn't mean they're not doing the work.
The Greens are not funded by mega corporations and don't align with the views of the owners of national media, so they don't get to be in the spotlight all the time.
@@evasco1979 I was referring to Jill Stein, specifically. But I could have worded that a little better I suppose.
Stein assumes voters are stupid.
She is correct about a lot of them tbh
And she is right
Stein is Tulsi Gabbard 2.0! A republican pretending to be a leftist, so they can take votes away from democrats, and help republicans win!
HER voters are.
She is right, about her voters at least.
She's a plant? More like a weed.
I think her message should be, go Gaza and stop the violence
Rather than: don’t vote for a particular party
The thing with jill stein reminds me of when a bunch of anti Hillary tumblr leftists were revealed to be Russian bots targeting people who were likely to otherwise support her
Some of those bots appear to be still working.
As a non-American, can someone explain to me what the point of third-party candidates is? Especially ones who do not remotely stand a chance?
to siphon votes away from a party they're afraid may actually win
they get to grift donations from gullible people
With the exception of some third-party candidates running in local or maybe state-wide races, the majority of them are vanity campaigns.
To bait people who are dumb, obsessed with moral purity (see dumb), or are obsessed with being different than everyone else (see dumb).
The point of 3rd party is to assert that your party has the divine right to rule and the other is a 3rd party with no chance as the basis to support your first party to be as bad as it possibly can be. In reality there is candidates and they are supposed to end up ahead because they are the best one. 3rd party means your party is using language to subvert the electoral process and you should not even consider them an option.
The two-party system is the bigger grifter, and starting this year I forever am now going to refuse to play along with it.
Upon listening to her, my immediate thought was that she didn't sound as if she believed what she was saying.
Well between Stein, Harris and Trump, Jill is clearly the best speaker. Unfortunately that is not a difficult bar to clear.
Russian sponsored spoiler candidate be doing spoiler candidate nonsense
If I were a person called out as "saying stupid shit all the time", the last thing I would do is to point out I'm a supposed expert. Very expert, much smart! 😂😂
I really wish we had Rank Choice Voting
Exactly... any politician that isn't talking about this, and overturning citizens united, aren't worth our time or our vote. We won't have a democracy until these two things are done.
Uhhhh so that this lunatic would get your vote? That’s crazy 😂
Or STAR voting
I prefer STAR voting (ranked choice still has the spoiler effect), but literally anything is better than the current system.
Maybe it would help these third parties actually give a shit. They don't even pretend to give you a reason to vote for them besides not being the Republicans or Democrats.
The bad position: Voting for a 3rd option party
The good position: Voting uncommitted with conditions of anti-genocide policies
She really made sure that her supporters look properly ethnic and diverse. It's not a real grift if you don't have a cast of finely crafted stereotypes on your side.
So *she's* the reason so many leftist reddits are saying what they are and dividing themselves up?? She's awful and her messaging is pathetic.
I think this stuff appeals to (or used to) a lot of disaffected young people who don't realize that the only way to get anything done is to participate. They can only perceive that participation is complicity, and they actually expect the perfect candidate to fall out of a coconut tree. Only by never winning and never achieving anything are they above the guilt of perpetuating the problems in society (in their eyes).
Yeah, she needs to just go away. The 90's are over and you're not helping.
It’s almost impressive how Jill manages to sound like a character from a Neil Breen movie.
What a joke, if anyone votes for her they're lost in the sauce😬
How can they be lost in the sauce when she herself is sauceless?
She's a fighter, she only comes out every 4 years to remind us the presidency is the only way to accomplish any of her concerns but much like Kennedy how quickly would she abandon her candidacy if Harris or Trump offered her a cushy govt post?
So quickly that you'd see a cartoonish Jill Stein-shaped puff of smoke hanging in the air
Lol
Trump would be worse on Palestine and you are not throwing your vote away your basically voting for Trump
Now if only somebody could get into Kyle Kulinski’s head that voting for Jill Stein is stupid as shit
This election cycle he seems to have a lot of pro kamala rhetoric and hasn't really said anything about Jill Stein so i don't think he is this time
Other than a couple of passing comments/interviews he doesn't talk about Jill much
Kyle is a huge flip flopper now. One minute he’s for Stein, the next minute he’s for a libertarian, and now he’s for Harris/Walz.
Thank you, Jill, for the free advertisement for Harris! You rock!!!