Thanks to Peter for helping to explain the process! Time Markers- 0:00 - How to Record a Remote Podcast 0:28 - My Three Podcasts 1:17 - My Basic Equipment Setup 2:12 - Peter’s Equipment Setup 3:06- Editing Basics 3:38 - GarageBand Setup 4:46 - Syncing the Audio 5:26 - The Editing Process 6:04 - Exporting & Uploading 6:53 - More In-Depth Editing 8:13 - The Biggest Advantages of this Workflow 9:02 - The Magic of the Internet
Hi Tom and Peter, this is very helpful, Thank you both. Can you please advise me where can I license or download intro/outros from? Which mic is best for video podcasting the rode procaster, podcaster usb or Shure mv7 dual usb/xlr mic? I am leaning towards the shure mic as it will help me get started being usb plug and play and I could upgrade to get an audio recorder down the track, what are your thoughts on this? In terms of software I want to keep it simple but also want to start off with the right gear is Riverside FM, or Anchor better? I am a photographer so I already own my own lights, dslr etc, so its really only audio and software I require to get started. I really appreciate your advice, Have a great weekend, :)
You guys HAVE to try CleanFeed! I’m a professional voice actor and studios use it to record my voice remotely and the quality is OFF THE ROOF. Usually I don’t even send my local recordings to them. It has no video, so if you want a video feed you can use another platform for that. But I think you guys only do audio. And the bitrate for the audio is, again, OFF THE ROOF. It really sounds like I’m in the studio’s booth. Of course you can route it into the rodecaster in a mix-minus setup and record like you do your solo show. No more editing!
The method is use is clean feed, use the Rodecaster as the audio device, have everyone record locally (guest(s) and cohosts) and on rodecaster with a clap sync. Then just match up their files with the claps. Therefore you have the direct cleanfeed conversation to match with the individual files and it still flows as naturally as a conversation would in person without you having to try to match based on the quiet portions of the individual files.
Starting a podcast with a fellow tech youtuber soon. He's in California and I'm in Belgium, so the distance and the situation is actually similar 😁. Of course I came here first for my research and once again you've saved me a tonne of trial and error. Thanks for the great content, Tom!
Have u tried both setting an alarm on your phone? If they sync with time servers your clocks should be running more or less in sync. (taking into account the time difference). pick a loud clear sound and you should be good to go. Come to think about it, this could be a good plugin idea 💡
The Enthusiasm Project Let me see if something like that already exists, a plugin that starts recording at a pre-set time. If not, Maybe I can throw something together for garageband.
You Americans always have to make it so complicated. Over in Germany, we just use Studio-Link and the Ultraschall plugin for Reaper and are done with it! We don't need to do double enders or care about syncing our recordings, because the audio over Studio-Link is good enough to just record it on the hosts computer. The only downsides are, that it doesn't work with video and you need a really stable connection, so Wi-Fi usually isn't stable enough. It's also quite common here, to publish our podcasts on WordPress, with the Podlove plugins.
I don't think it's an American, I think like you said, it's a network connection thing. I definitely don't have a stable enough connection to get the same quality audio as when I just record locally.
@@tombuck I ment it ironically, because we are sometimes a bit irritated about american podcasters. ;D Studio-Link uses the Opus-Codec and runs at a very low latency. So you don't need to have a fast internet connection (internet in Germany is really slow), it just has to be stable. Connecting the computer over ethernet is usually good enough. I like it, because I don't have to care about N-1 routing and getting the guests recording.
I didn't get to watch this in full, so I may have missed it, but have you tried Zencastr? It basically records the audio on both ends and sets them up for delivery directly after the chat.
My husband really wants to start a podcast so I am going to share this with him. Thanks for sharing! Another great video. I did not know you had a podcast!! I gotta listen to yours. 👌🏾👏🏾
Zencastr is a great service for this very thing. I podcast with my buddy in Texas and I'm in Scotland. It handles syncing too by having the recording start on both audio tracks at the same time. Or there is interview mode directly in ECamm now too.
I use Audacity to do my final edits, I'm on a Windows PC. With the Rodecaster Pro I have the caller join via cell phone (mix-minus) and record to the SD card. I have the caller record their audio at their location and send it to me. It's easy to sync in Audacity since the wave forms are the same from the cell phone feed and the audio they sent me. No clapping involved. Voices align with the video too, no delays.
Did you try Squadcast? Looks like this is good when having guests who are not so tech-savvy. Sound is recorded locally and then send automatically to you without the guest has to anything.
Hey Tom, just wanted to let you know how helpful I've found your videos. I am putting together a pod for my little niche and watching your vids have really given me some confidence, which is not something I normally lack. Solo podcasting is really difficult (for me) but I hope to be launching soon. So thanks mate 👌🏽
This is a great setup for a co-host. What about guests? How do you keep great quality when this unpredictable element comes into ply? Do you have a podcast on integration? I know you can plug the iPhone into the Rode.
I don’t have a video on integration, but if you have the Rodecaster, it has a built in call feature. Anchor also has a talk with friends feature, and there are other services like Zencastr that make it a little easier to bring in a guest. Of course you could always do the same method in this video with more than two people too.
You could also record in multitrack on the Rodecaster and then use that to sync his recording with yours. And since it's multitrack you can just replace Peter's track with the recording he sends your way.
Cool.. will consider this approach... been using zencastr currently because it uploads locally recorded audio to the cloud directly. But that still experiences some compression... drives me nuts sometimes... wish every guest or co-host had good equipment. 😅
I may have a better way to record a remote host that sounds like he's in the same room. I used to do a podcast and I was the remote host and here was my set up. I ran a mumble server on a raspberry pi and the host would send his audio to me via that, and I'd send my audio and video over to him via skype. Thus we'd have full duplex communication and I'd sound like I was in the same room. No sending tracks and editing them in with sync issues. Easy peasy. On your side, you mix minus him out when sending audio, but you'll be recording the full mix. I did this with him for years when I lived two hours away, then I moved to another country and continued it. With one exception. Instead of using the raspberry pi, I just used a virtual cloud server (AWS) and would fire it up when we did a show and shut it down after we were done. This way we could connect to each other anywhere on the planet.
Why do you mute him out on your Rodecaster Pro and not switch the RCP to Multitrack and then you'll get your audio and his audio on separate tracks? The RCP is kind of annoying that it creates multitrack wav forms for every single mic option whether something is plugged in or not, but you can delete everything except the Mic1 and USB. Or you could still have him record on his end as a backup just in case something happens. I also use Squadcast for remote interviews which will also create separate tracks for all parties, which would probably work better if you have more than 1 guest coming on.
That would definitely work, I just don’t personally like using the multitrack feature because it always gives you every track to import. I just like having the one file/track for me and one file/track for Peter. 🤷🏻♂️
Have you ever thought about using FCPX for your podcast audio editing?? Speaking of simplifying. We also use Buzzsprout and just last week asked what various people were using. I was surprised to learn that a lot of people use FCPX for their podcast editing. What your thoughts on this. I would think you would be doing it this way given your experience. Love to hear your thoughts.
It’s totally usable and in a way would make sense since I’m so familiar with the app, but I like using this as an opportunity to learn more about different software like Adobe Audition. I also think that a dedicated audio editor is going to give more control over everything 🤷🏻♂️
Your audio has exceptional clarity. I certainly want to know your mic ( if an expensive one, a cheaper alternative that could approximate your mic well enough) and your editing of it afterward... please
Thanks so much! I have a bit of a mic addiction, so I change them a lot, but this video was recorded with the Rode Videomic NTG out of frame. I don't do a ton of processing to my audio, but I do usually triple check before recording that my levels are good and there's no interference happening. Sometimes I'll play with the EQ a bit to add some bass or remove some unpleasant frequencies, and if things are really rough, I'll used the "dereverb" option in Adobe Audition to reduce reverb from the room. I didn't do any of that here though, this was pretty much just straight out of the camera. The Videomic NTG is super awesome, honestly.
For syncing, could you just unmute Peter from the mix-minus for a moment and have him snap his fingers at the beginning, then mute him again? I would probably have him do it at the beginning and end just to be safe and account for any sync drift that may happen or other complications.
Check out reaper.fm if you ever want a new mixing/recording solution. It's very customizable, they offer a free/temp version and similar to GarageBand for ease of use for basic recording/mixing. Just a suggestion. #NotAnAd
Thanks Tom, Thumbs up! This really helped me, getting ready to launch some podcasts on my channel and your step by step was very easy to understand and implement.
In a situation where you have a mix of other people in person and remote. Using solo and mute is awesome for me as the host, but the other people with me physically can't hear the remote person. Is there a way to allow the other local people hear the muted USB line without it being recorded on the track?
Hmm, have you tried putting all of the people with you on solo and keeping the USB line solo/muted? Staring at my Rodecaster now, that's the only thing I cna think of.
Honestly you dont even need do to that. I have a podcast with a friend across the country and we use zoom/google for a video meeting. All of the audio comes through the rodecaster pro and then i send directly to anchor.
You can definitely get some outstanding results that way, but I haven’t been able to get reliably good quality that beats recording locally (could just be my internet connection).
Tom, thanks for this great video! Your videos have really helped me step up my game as I'm preparing to teach some online college courses this fall and want to have some high quality production to engage my students. Your videos have been a great help in preparing me to teach this Fall. Also, loved the time-lapse / slider shot you did for the intro!!!
Thanks Scott! Good luck with your courses! My online high school classes start in less than two weeks, so I understand where you're coming from. The opening shot was a simple GoPro timelapse with some basic keyframe animation!
Good tips. I have a video podcast interviewing others. I have tried the mix minus setting on the usb channel but I am still getting guest bleed into my local mic channel. I will give the solo approach a try.
So you prefer this method over the call in feature that the Rodecaster has? I’ve done call ins using the Rodecaster and it sounds like a phone call but in a good way. It’s super clear and the best thing is I don’t have to edit it.
I think that's fine for a one off guest, but for something where you've a regular co-host it's better to do a double-ender, as described in Tom's video.
Like Aaron said, I like the call in method for a one off interview, but since Peter and I cohost every episode, we wanted it to sound as good as possible. As a listener, I also get ear fatigue when something sounds “off” for too long, so I didn’t want to do that to anyone who would listen to this. 👍
The Enthusiasm Project I guess it’s just gonna take time for me to develop that sort it critical ear... if that makes sense. I hear call in shows all the time that are not double recorded and it doesn’t bother me as long as the audio isn’t trash and the content is entertaining.
@@404creators8 I did a podcast interview with Patrick Willems (look him up if you don't know him, great UA-cam channel) where we spoke over Skype - recorded all 3 of us (regular hosts) and his channel on the bluetooth track in the Rodecaster, but Patrick also recorded himself on a Zoom H6 recorder at his end. We only used the Rodecaster track for syncing his much better audio, with great results. We absolutely could have used the Skype audio, but this way it sounded like he was right there with us.
Great solution! It is truly amazing the technology we have (relatively) affordable access to that allows this kind of collaboration! Thanks for sharing the outlines of the process. Clever and simple solution with lots of flexibility.
This is a great guide. If you were multi-track recording Peter, how do you find his audio as it shows up on the Rodecaster? Much worse than his locally recorded file? Loved the wide overhead time-lapse! I'd really suggest that people listen to your podcast with Peter - it's a real 'into-the-weeds' show hosted by two obviously enthusiastic camera geeks, and it's a lot of fun to listen to. I'd also urge you to take a look at Zencastr or a similar podcasting web-app. You get lossless audio recorded straight into the browser which you can download after, and the tracks will already be in sync for you. Worth testing, at the very least, especially if it saves some time. The only downside - no video currently, but they have a beta for video that I'm sure they'd value your thoughts on. Ennuicastr has video and is free at the moment, but it's GUI is pretty basic as it's still in development.
Weren’t we originally going to use Zencastr when we recorded together? I’ll have to,give it another look. For multitrack, Peter’s audio still doesn’t sound as good since it’s from FaceTime and has that digital garbliness to it.
@@tombuck It was Ennuicaster, or ecastr.com as it's listed. I think the problems we had that time were the mix-minus, the web-app's built in mix-minus was working against the Rodecaster (or both Rodecasters, since we were both using them). Happy to be a guinea-pig if you fancy testing it out on someone without dragging Peter into podcast development hell!
hmm... Swe-den the deal...? Top 3 WORST dad joke ever. I cringed. So, that means, technically, the Sweden joke is in the TOP THREE BEST DAD JOKES EVER! LOLOL That was a good one LOL
Tom…. it looks like your last episode aired in Oct 21. I’m curious to know how you’d do this today. Let’s say both parties have a Rodecaster Pro ii. Would you use a service or would you record each locally and match them up in post? What RCP settings would you recommend? Cheers.
Ok I’ve watched it. Excellent info thanks buddy. I just have 1 more question... what if the other podcasters you do the podcast with arent like Peter and are relative newbies? That would mean they won’t have a mic (not a pro one anyway). What would you suggest? Record through their headphones (if they’re apple they’d have a mic right?). The other 2 guys I’m starting with won’t have any equipment! Although they can record themselves using garage band at least.
I think headphones are a good place to start. Lots of people in the comments here have been recommending sites like Zencastr for remote podcasts- so that might be a good thing to check out if you’re working with people who aren’t too tech savvy.
Thanks for a great and detailed video. Why would you not record the audio via Zoom/skype through the Rodecaster Pro using the USB channel for the audio for @Peter and record multi-tracks for editing later? Works well for me, and needs little editing. Based on your video's, I bought a Rodecaster Pro and Podmic, thank you!!
Hi Tom. Are you Thinking of recording the video too, maybe for marketing purpose of the. podcast? Highlighting special moments of each episode? If so, which setup would you use? By the way, I really like your Cam and Light Setup, could you tell us more about that?
I'ver thought about it, but my calendar is so full at the moment, I don't know that I can effectively do one more thing. I have had good results with Ecamm though. It keeps the higher video/audio quality, and I have recorded a few interviews that way.
The Rodecaster can be selected as the audio source for Facetime, so we're essentially just listening to the podcast, but it's being recorded via the Rodecaster.
WE use buzzsprout also! We also use a service called Zencastr to recored both audio streams at the same time. it runs post production and gives a final edit that is just one stream so no syncing up. both voice, one audio file, super cool. Great video as always!
Hey @Tom when you say you have "his channel" muted, what exactly is his channel since he doesn't have a mic connected to your rodecaster? How are you hearing him through your headset?
For the syncing, would an option be to do a Zoom call instead of FaceTime and record the session's audio in Zoom and use that as a sync track when you edit it all? Or would it just have lots of latencies from the internet and so on? I guess even if there were latencies, the audio would continually catch up with the right speed?
Thanks for making this video. I watched a few videos about this subject by other channels before this and found them all boring and they had an unnecessarily long introduction, but this video was really informative and interesting. +1 subscriber :)
Hi ! I might be a little late, but for a synching solution, why don't you just solo Peter (the USB channel) at the beginning of your FaceTime call, just a few seconds to have his voice, have him begin his record too, and then solo and mute him ? That way you'll have his voice from his and and from your end to sync it perfectly, right?
What do you do if you’re recording remotely and one party’s mic picks up everyone’s audio, and you don’t realise until it’s time to edit the pod? So three guests recorded, and one mic picked up all three, is there a way to make all three sound just as clear?
That's really tough. I don't have a magic bullet solution beyond spending time experimenting with EQ and adjustments. You could also look into Auphonic, which can sometimes help make things sound significantly better.
Thanks for the video, but I have a question - isnt it possible to record the audio from your friend directly on the Rodecaster if you guys talk through discord?
What if you have a podcast guest who is not techically blessed? I have some guests who aren't podcasters and some barely know how to navigate a zoom call. How do I ensure the quality of the sound and possibly a video?
You’ll have to give the,so,e kind of tech training, but even if they can just record into the voice memo app in their phone and send you the file, it’ll sound a lot better. You might also want to try a service like Zencastr to see if that simplifies things.
Hey Tom - Are you familiar with the other services out there now like Squadcast, Riverside, and Zencastr? I tried Zencastr and couldn't ever even get it to work on my machine. It seems like it may be more geared towards Mac users, but that's total speculation on my part.
I have a RCP, but the person I want to join me on a podcast is not equipped with all the stuff Peter has. He would call in via iphone or android (not sure what he has). Is there a mic/adapter combo to get better quality from a smartphone? The mic on the phone is usable. But, if there's a better option, I'd like to give it a try. I'm not sure he has access to a computer, so I wanted to ask about equipment I *know* he has. Thanks
Most phones, whether iOS or Android will have mic options available. Rode even has a line of mobile mics that work pretty well (I've only use the iPhone versions, but they're nice).
@@tombuck that’s the plan! Cleanfeed has worked great. But I found this thing called Craig for discord that records multitrack. It’s nice to have options if needed! Great content as always btw!
Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't, it just sort of depends on the specific setup for each episode. It's easy to automate intros with Ecamm, so sometimes I do that just out of laziness 😁
This is what I’m talking about! Just about to eat but will watch later... then maybe ask you to FaceTime me because I’m rubbish at technology 😂 - remember, if you can’t “do” then teach. And if you can’t teach, then teach phys ed 😂
This is a cool technique. You should check out zencastr.com. They store the podcast locally when recording and then uploads to the cloud automatically after finishing your recording. It’s made my cousins and I podcast all about Disney (Oh Boy Pa’Cast) so fun and easy to record. She’s in NY and I’m in MD 🙃
Great video! Quick question, how you make sure that the FaceTime audio isn't recorded on your solo recording mic track in GarageBand (with no rodecaster pro)?
You should be able to "Solo" your audio and the FaceTime audio to hear both tracks, then Mute the FaceTime audio to take it out of the mix. It could have changed, but that should work (and that's how it works on the Rodecaster too).
I wonder the quality of studio voice recorded is all magic of pro mics and gears and correction on post? Let me explain with an example, your voice has a pleasant vibration and resonance. Is it your natural voice or you created to be like that? What if I find my voice not pleasant as should be. I don't know, maybe doesn't have some frequency that should have. Is it possible to achieve a good voice by professional radio/studio mics ? Is it possible to fake it or create it in post? I hope I made the point. Sorry for my bad English. I'm based on Belgium.
Hello in Belgium! I do very little post processing (if any at all), so I'll take your comments as kind compliments, haha! You can definitely adjust the quality of sound to better suit your ear, which usually includes modifying the highs and/or lows. Depending on which software you're editing with, you might also be able to create a preset and apply it to all future clips with one click.
Love the videos! So helpful! My question is, what would you do to set up 2 in-person people and one video guest. Trying to have both in person peeps see the video guest but all audio run through my rodecaster pro. Trying to figure out best way to do this. Any suggestions?
Basically the same thing, with two mics running into the Rodecaster and the remote person recording on their end if possible. You could also use something like Squadcast or Zencastr 👍
hi! great video! i tried to do that to aidacity with my cohost but after we finished our recording she couldn't send me her audacity file in order to connect them. How can she send fer file to me? (we tried email, drive, wetransfer but couldn't make it). Does she has to convert it to mp3 first or she is it okay to send me her audacity recording? If it's okay how can she send it to me? Thank you for your help!!!
Hi Tom. I'm in the midst of attempting to execute this exact setup (I'm in Phoenix, co-host in Los Angeles). I'm using the Rodecaster Pro with my MacBook and he's recording into Audacity on his PC (Booooooo on PCs) as opposed to Garage Band. My question is: When you set up your monitoring, you mentioned you have him solo'd and muted so you can hear him via the USB channel with his FaceTime audio - are you able to hear yourself in your headphones, or just Peter? For some reason, I'm experiencing an either/or situation and not able to hear both of us at the same time. Thank you for your time and dedication to your videos (and podcasts). Cheers!
Great question- you should also have yourself solo’d. That way you’ll hear both of you, but only your voice will be recorded. Thanks for the kind words!
Hey there, thanks so much for the information! Quick question, hopefully I didn't miss this point - Is there a way to monitor your microphone's audio as well as hear the other person's facetime audio simultaneously from your computer when using this facetime approach? Currently for my podcast we are using two sets of headphones at once to get this effect: one ear is the mic audio from the computer, the other is connected to the facetime audio on an iphone. This approach works ok, but would love to consolidate. Thank you in advance!
I run everything through the Rodecaster, so that takes care of it. Beyond that, another interface like the Scarlett would probably do the trick. I’ve never had luck monitoring from the computer directly without latency issues.
It looks like it could be a great option, but I'm dubious that any web-based platform would match the quality of a local recording. But I haven't used it yet, so it's probably worth exploring- thanks for the recommendation!
@@tombuck please test it. i'd love your opinion. i trust your recommendations....you're the reason i bought a rodecaster and 2 podmics before recording my first podcast episode...just because you made it look like so much fun... ;-)
Thanks to Peter for helping to explain the process!
Time Markers-
0:00 - How to Record a Remote Podcast
0:28 - My Three Podcasts
1:17 - My Basic Equipment Setup
2:12 - Peter’s Equipment Setup
3:06- Editing Basics
3:38 - GarageBand Setup
4:46 - Syncing the Audio
5:26 - The Editing Process
6:04 - Exporting & Uploading
6:53 - More In-Depth Editing
8:13 - The Biggest Advantages of this Workflow
9:02 - The Magic of the Internet
Hi Tom and Peter, this is very helpful, Thank you both.
Can you please advise me where can I license or download intro/outros from?
Which mic is best for video podcasting the rode procaster, podcaster usb or Shure mv7 dual usb/xlr mic? I am leaning towards the shure mic as it will help me get started being usb plug and play and I could upgrade to get an audio recorder down the track, what are your thoughts on this?
In terms of software I want to keep it simple but also want to start off with the right gear is Riverside FM, or Anchor better?
I am a photographer so I already own my own lights, dslr etc, so its really only audio and software I require to get started. I really appreciate your advice, Have a great weekend, :)
You guys HAVE to try CleanFeed!
I’m a professional voice actor and studios use it to record my voice remotely and the quality is OFF THE ROOF. Usually I don’t even send my local recordings to them.
It has no video, so if you want a video feed you can use another platform for that. But I think you guys only do audio. And the bitrate for the audio is, again, OFF THE ROOF. It really sounds like I’m in the studio’s booth.
Of course you can route it into the rodecaster in a mix-minus setup and record like you do your solo show. No more editing!
Wow, this is a pretty glowing endorsement. 😲
I love your content, Tom. I’m only taking the extra step to suggest this because I think it might prove helpful.
I appreciate it 🙏
Thank you 🙏
I use cleanfeed! and I love it! I use it with zoom. Then mute the zoom audio.
The method is use is clean feed, use the Rodecaster as the audio device, have everyone record locally (guest(s) and cohosts) and on rodecaster with a clap sync. Then just match up their files with the claps. Therefore you have the direct cleanfeed conversation to match with the individual files and it still flows as naturally as a conversation would in person without you having to try to match based on the quiet portions of the individual files.
Starting a podcast with a fellow tech youtuber soon. He's in California and I'm in Belgium, so the distance and the situation is actually similar 😁. Of course I came here first for my research and once again you've saved me a tonne of trial and error. Thanks for the great content, Tom!
Awesome! Good luck on the new show!
Have u tried both setting an alarm on your phone? If they sync with time servers your clocks should be running more or less in sync. (taking into account the time difference). pick a loud clear sound and you should be good to go. Come to think about it, this could be a good plugin idea 💡
That would be an awesome plugin!
The Enthusiasm Project Let me see if something like that already exists, a plugin that starts recording at a pre-set time. If not, Maybe I can throw something together for garageband.
Considering syncing with clocks. For example, both parties can set alarms for 12:00:00pm and then sync the same alarm sound in post.
With respect to different time zones if that applies*
Great idea!
You Americans always have to make it so complicated. Over in Germany, we just use Studio-Link and the Ultraschall plugin for Reaper and are done with it! We don't need to do double enders or care about syncing our recordings, because the audio over Studio-Link is good enough to just record it on the hosts computer. The only downsides are, that it doesn't work with video and you need a really stable connection, so Wi-Fi usually isn't stable enough. It's also quite common here, to publish our podcasts on WordPress, with the Podlove plugins.
I don't think it's an American, I think like you said, it's a network connection thing. I definitely don't have a stable enough connection to get the same quality audio as when I just record locally.
@@tombuck I ment it ironically, because we are sometimes a bit irritated about american podcasters. ;D Studio-Link uses the Opus-Codec and runs at a very low latency. So you don't need to have a fast internet connection (internet in Germany is really slow), it just has to be stable. Connecting the computer over ethernet is usually good enough.
I like it, because I don't have to care about N-1 routing and getting the guests recording.
That sounds really cool- thanks for the recommendation 😁
I didn't get to watch this in full, so I may have missed it, but have you tried Zencastr? It basically records the audio on both ends and sets them up for delivery directly after the chat.
You’re the second person to bring it up- I’ll have to look at it.
The Enthusiasm Project There’s also another one called Squadcast. They do video and audio - video is coming to Zencastr soon.
Totally agree with Andy, Zencastr is exactly what would make your recording process simpler.
My husband really wants to start a podcast so I am going to share this with him. Thanks for sharing! Another great video. I did not know you had a podcast!! I gotta listen to yours. 👌🏾👏🏾
It’s a really fun thing to do and it doesn’t take a while lot to get going- good luck to him!
@@tombuck Thanks!
Zencastr is a great service for this very thing. I podcast with my buddy in Texas and I'm in Scotland. It handles syncing too by having the recording start on both audio tracks at the same time.
Or there is interview mode directly in ECamm now too.
There are a lot of awesome options out there- riverside.fm being another one.
I use Audacity to do my final edits, I'm on a Windows PC. With the Rodecaster Pro I have the caller join via cell phone (mix-minus) and record to the SD card. I have the caller record their audio at their location and send it to me. It's easy to sync in Audacity since the wave forms are the same from the cell phone feed and the audio they sent me. No clapping involved. Voices align with the video too, no delays.
That's a great workflow!
Did you try Squadcast? Looks like this is good when having guests who are not so tech-savvy. Sound is recorded locally and then send automatically to you without the guest has to anything.
I have used it and it does work very well!
I legit lol’d at the Sweden joke
Hey Tom, just wanted to let you know how helpful I've found your videos. I am putting together a pod for my little niche and watching your vids have really given me some confidence, which is not something I normally lack. Solo podcasting is really difficult (for me) but I hope to be launching soon. So thanks mate 👌🏽
This is really awesome to hear! It just gets easier with practice. Good luck to you and your show!
Rocketing towards 25,000 subs, every one of them deservedly earned!
I’m so glad I paid all these bots.
(But really thank you)
The Enthusiasm Project Pretty sure I’m a bot myself.
I can't wait to watch this later. This is exactly what I've been meaning to look into!
It works great!
This is a great setup for a co-host. What about guests? How do you keep great quality when this unpredictable element comes into ply? Do you have a podcast on integration? I know you can plug the iPhone into the Rode.
I don’t have a video on integration, but if you have the Rodecaster, it has a built in call feature. Anchor also has a talk with friends feature, and there are other services like Zencastr that make it a little easier to bring in a guest.
Of course you could always do the same method in this video with more than two people too.
Your channel is such a huge help. This video came out exactly when I was needing help with this topic. You are a gentleman and a scholar. ;)
Why thank you sir! I'm really happy to hear it's been helpful.
You could also record in multitrack on the Rodecaster and then use that to sync his recording with yours. And since it's multitrack you can just replace Peter's track with the recording he sends your way.
That’s true. I usually don’t use multitrack just because I don’t like dealing with all of the empty tracks that get imported too.
Cool.. will consider this approach... been using zencastr currently because it uploads locally recorded audio to the cloud directly. But that still experiences some compression... drives me nuts sometimes... wish every guest or co-host had good equipment. 😅
I may have a better way to record a remote host that sounds like he's in the same room. I used to do a podcast and I was the remote host and here was my set up. I ran a mumble server on a raspberry pi and the host would send his audio to me via that, and I'd send my audio and video over to him via skype. Thus we'd have full duplex communication and I'd sound like I was in the same room. No sending tracks and editing them in with sync issues. Easy peasy. On your side, you mix minus him out when sending audio, but you'll be recording the full mix.
I did this with him for years when I lived two hours away, then I moved to another country and continued it. With one exception. Instead of using the raspberry pi, I just used a virtual cloud server (AWS) and would fire it up when we did a show and shut it down after we were done. This way we could connect to each other anywhere on the planet.
Why do you mute him out on your Rodecaster Pro and not switch the RCP to Multitrack and then you'll get your audio and his audio on separate tracks? The RCP is kind of annoying that it creates multitrack wav forms for every single mic option whether something is plugged in or not, but you can delete everything except the Mic1 and USB. Or you could still have him record on his end as a backup just in case something happens.
I also use Squadcast for remote interviews which will also create separate tracks for all parties, which would probably work better if you have more than 1 guest coming on.
That would definitely work, I just don’t personally like using the multitrack feature because it always gives you every track to import. I just like having the one file/track for me and one file/track for Peter. 🤷🏻♂️
Have you ever thought about using FCPX for your podcast audio editing?? Speaking of simplifying. We also use Buzzsprout and just last week asked what various people were using. I was surprised to learn that a lot of people use FCPX for their podcast editing.
What your thoughts on this. I would think you would be doing it this way given your experience. Love to hear your thoughts.
It’s totally usable and in a way would make sense since I’m so familiar with the app, but I like using this as an opportunity to learn more about different software like Adobe Audition.
I also think that a dedicated audio editor is going to give more control over everything 🤷🏻♂️
Super helpful Tom about how to do conversation podcast virtually from anywhere in the world 🌎 🙏
It's pretty magical that this stuff is possible!
Your audio has exceptional clarity. I certainly want to know your mic ( if an expensive one, a cheaper alternative that could approximate your mic well enough) and your editing of it afterward... please
Thanks so much! I have a bit of a mic addiction, so I change them a lot, but this video was recorded with the Rode Videomic NTG out of frame. I don't do a ton of processing to my audio, but I do usually triple check before recording that my levels are good and there's no interference happening.
Sometimes I'll play with the EQ a bit to add some bass or remove some unpleasant frequencies, and if things are really rough, I'll used the "dereverb" option in Adobe Audition to reduce reverb from the room. I didn't do any of that here though, this was pretty much just straight out of the camera. The Videomic NTG is super awesome, honestly.
For syncing, could you just unmute Peter from the mix-minus for a moment and have him snap his fingers at the beginning, then mute him again? I would probably have him do it at the beginning and end just to be safe and account for any sync drift that may happen or other complications.
We've tried stuff like that, but I think the connection delay just makes it funky. It's not too difficult to line things up in Audition fortunately.
Check out reaper.fm if you ever want a new mixing/recording solution. It's very customizable, they offer a free/temp version and similar to GarageBand for ease of use for basic recording/mixing. Just a suggestion. #NotAnAd
I just bought the RODECaster Pro for my UA-cam and Podcast channel, but I can’t afford to buy the Rode PodMic. I’m very happy with my Rodecaster pro.
It’s such a great tool! I’m glad you’re enjoying it.
Finally just ordered the rodecaster pro with the shure mic. Super excited to start my podcast this weekend. 😎
Good luck! Podcasting is so much fun. Remember though, the average podcast stops after 7 episodes, so push through and keep going!
Thanks Tom, Thumbs up! This really helped me, getting ready to launch some podcasts on my channel and your step by step was very easy to understand and implement.
I'm so happy to hear that! Getting started is the toughest part so congrats and good luck!
I use SquadCast and it makes the process easy for remote guests who are not very computer savvy.
That’s a huge bonus 👍
@@tombuck PS, I really appreciate your channel and I've learned a great deal from it.
In a situation where you have a mix of other people in person and remote. Using solo and mute is awesome for me as the host, but the other people with me physically can't hear the remote person. Is there a way to allow the other local people hear the muted USB line without it being recorded on the track?
Hmm, have you tried putting all of the people with you on solo and keeping the USB line solo/muted? Staring at my Rodecaster now, that's the only thing I cna think of.
The post edit vortex.... you got caught! 😆
Any suggestions on adding video and synching that up to ALL THIS in the video?
If you’re using Final Cut or Premiere, there are built in syncing and multicam editing options that are definitely worth exploring!
Good to hear someone who's famous who still like Anchor.
This made me chuckle 😁
By the way, followed your podcasts already. 😊
Honestly you dont even need do to that. I have a podcast with a friend across the country and we use zoom/google for a video meeting. All of the audio comes through the rodecaster pro and then i send directly to anchor.
You can definitely get some outstanding results that way, but I haven’t been able to get reliably good quality that beats recording locally (could just be my internet connection).
Very true on the connection. We are both on fiber so I’m sure that accounts for a ton of it
I have a pretty crummy connection, sadly
Tom, thanks for this great video! Your videos have really helped me step up my game as I'm preparing to teach some online college courses this fall and want to have some high quality production to engage my students. Your videos have been a great help in preparing me to teach this Fall.
Also, loved the time-lapse / slider shot you did for the intro!!!
Thanks Scott! Good luck with your courses! My online high school classes start in less than two weeks, so I understand where you're coming from.
The opening shot was a simple GoPro timelapse with some basic keyframe animation!
Good tips. I have a video podcast interviewing others. I have tried the mix minus setting on the usb channel but I am still getting guest bleed into my local mic channel. I will give the solo approach a try.
So you prefer this method over the call in feature that the Rodecaster has? I’ve done call ins using the Rodecaster and it sounds like a phone call but in a good way. It’s super clear and the best thing is I don’t have to edit it.
I think that's fine for a one off guest, but for something where you've a regular co-host it's better to do a double-ender, as described in Tom's video.
Like Aaron said, I like the call in method for a one off interview, but since Peter and I cohost every episode, we wanted it to sound as good as possible.
As a listener, I also get ear fatigue when something sounds “off” for too long, so I didn’t want to do that to anyone who would listen to this. 👍
The Enthusiasm Project I guess it’s just gonna take time for me to develop that sort it critical ear... if that makes sense. I hear call in shows all the time that are not double recorded and it doesn’t bother me as long as the audio isn’t trash and the content is entertaining.
@@404creators8 I did a podcast interview with Patrick Willems (look him up if you don't know him, great UA-cam channel) where we spoke over Skype - recorded all 3 of us (regular hosts) and his channel on the bluetooth track in the Rodecaster, but Patrick also recorded himself on a Zoom H6 recorder at his end. We only used the Rodecaster track for syncing his much better audio, with great results. We absolutely could have used the Skype audio, but this way it sounded like he was right there with us.
Dayummmm I came here for help and I got that sweet a$$ Sweden dad joke!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽😁
Great solution! It is truly amazing the technology we have (relatively) affordable access to that allows this kind of collaboration! Thanks for sharing the outlines of the process. Clever and simple solution with lots of flexibility.
It’s so crazy what we’re able to do! I wish I could go back and show all that to my 12 year old self.
The Enthusiasm Project Right? 12 year old me was busy playing space invaders on the original Atari console. Mind blown.
Sweden the deal🤣🤣 oh man that was a stretch.
A 5400 mile stretch 😬
I'm enjoying your calm and friendly demeanour. Thank you for the tips!
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words 🙏
This is a great guide. If you were multi-track recording Peter, how do you find his audio as it shows up on the Rodecaster? Much worse than his locally recorded file? Loved the wide overhead time-lapse!
I'd really suggest that people listen to your podcast with Peter - it's a real 'into-the-weeds' show hosted by two obviously enthusiastic camera geeks, and it's a lot of fun to listen to.
I'd also urge you to take a look at Zencastr or a similar podcasting web-app. You get lossless audio recorded straight into the browser which you can download after, and the tracks will already be in sync for you. Worth testing, at the very least, especially if it saves some time. The only downside - no video currently, but they have a beta for video that I'm sure they'd value your thoughts on. Ennuicastr has video and is free at the moment, but it's GUI is pretty basic as it's still in development.
Weren’t we originally going to use Zencastr when we recorded together? I’ll have to,give it another look.
For multitrack, Peter’s audio still doesn’t sound as good since it’s from FaceTime and has that digital garbliness to it.
@@tombuck It was Ennuicaster, or ecastr.com as it's listed. I think the problems we had that time were the mix-minus, the web-app's built in mix-minus was working against the Rodecaster (or both Rodecasters, since we were both using them).
Happy to be a guinea-pig if you fancy testing it out on someone without dragging Peter into podcast development hell!
Haha, I might have to take you up on that! I’d love to have you on my podcast.
hmm... Swe-den the deal...? Top 3 WORST dad joke ever. I cringed. So, that means, technically, the Sweden joke is in the TOP THREE BEST DAD JOKES EVER! LOLOL That was a good one LOL
Quite the paradox 🤔
Tom…. it looks like your last episode aired in Oct 21. I’m curious to know how you’d do this today. Let’s say both parties have a Rodecaster Pro ii. Would you use a service or would you record each locally and match them up in post? What RCP settings would you recommend? Cheers.
I used to add the intro and Outro in post, but now I do it from the rodecaster’s sound pads. Do you think there’s an advantage to do it in post?
Not really. I definitely prefer to do everything in the Rodecaster as much as possible 👍
Ok I’ve watched it. Excellent info thanks buddy. I just have 1 more question... what if the other podcasters you do the podcast with arent like Peter and are relative newbies? That would mean they won’t have a mic (not a pro one anyway). What would you suggest? Record through their headphones (if they’re apple they’d have a mic right?). The other 2 guys I’m starting with won’t have any equipment! Although they can record themselves using garage band at least.
I think headphones are a good place to start. Lots of people in the comments here have been recommending sites like Zencastr for remote podcasts- so that might be a good thing to check out if you’re working with people who aren’t too tech savvy.
Great video...Why not just record with a VOIP like Cleanfeed?
I haven’t been able to get the same results, but I also have a pretty bad internet connection.
That opening overhead shot is cool. 😍
Gotta love the GoPro for timelapses!
Ha you read my mind as I was listening to your podcast with Peter! Loving the podcast with Peter btw, keep the episodes coming!
Glad you’re enjoying it!
Thanks for a great and detailed video.
Why would you not record the audio via Zoom/skype through the Rodecaster Pro using the USB channel for the audio for @Peter and record multi-tracks for editing later?
Works well for me, and needs little editing.
Based on your video's, I bought a Rodecaster Pro and Podmic, thank you!!
That would work, I just don’t personally like using the multitrack feature for only one or two tracks.
@@tombuck thanks.
Hi Tom. Are you Thinking of recording the video too, maybe for marketing purpose of the. podcast? Highlighting special moments of each episode? If so, which setup would you use?
By the way, I really like your Cam and Light Setup, could you tell us more about that?
I'ver thought about it, but my calendar is so full at the moment, I don't know that I can effectively do one more thing. I have had good results with Ecamm though. It keeps the higher video/audio quality, and I have recorded a few interviews that way.
My question is are you FaceTiming and recording the audio from one device? In the headphones is he listening to himself or you through FaceTime?
The Rodecaster can be selected as the audio source for Facetime, so we're essentially just listening to the podcast, but it's being recorded via the Rodecaster.
If someone is just calling in from their phone is there a specific app that would work best for them to have to record their half?
They could probably use the built in voice recorder app on the phone for best quality.
I love this! I was so interested how you made your podcast with Peter sound so so great! Thanks for sharing the details.
Are you using the multi recording function on the rodecaster pro to record in garage band or recording directly to the rodecaster pro via micro SD
I’m recording directly to the Rodecaster using single track. You could definitely do it many other ways, but I like to keep it simple.
WE use buzzsprout also! We also use a service called Zencastr to recored both audio streams at the same time. it runs post production and gives a final edit that is just one stream so no syncing up. both voice, one audio file, super cool. Great video as always!
I’ve heard great things about Zencastr!
Hey @Tom when you say you have "his channel" muted, what exactly is his channel since he doesn't have a mic connected to your rodecaster? How are you hearing him through your headset?
It’s the usb channel from my computer 👍
For the syncing, would an option be to do a Zoom call instead of FaceTime and record the session's audio in Zoom and use that as a sync track when you edit it all? Or would it just have lots of latencies from the internet and so on? I guess even if there were latencies, the audio would continually catch up with the right speed?
That could work, but it’s really not too tough to just align the tracks in editing software.
This was really great advice!!! Thank you!
Greatly improved quality with remote guest
I'm so glad to hear that! I'm glad your show is going well 👍
Thanks for making this video. I watched a few videos about this subject by other channels before this and found them all boring and they had an unnecessarily long introduction, but this video was really informative and interesting. +1 subscriber :)
Thank you! I'm really glad it was helpful!
Cool. Kinda what we do with instruments in Wikiloops. As a musician you should probably have a look at it, it's free... :)
Thanks for the recommendation!
Hi !
I might be a little late, but for a synching solution, why don't you just solo Peter (the USB channel) at the beginning of your FaceTime call, just a few seconds to have his voice, have him begin his record too, and then solo and mute him ? That way you'll have his voice from his and and from your end to sync it perfectly, right?
That could work, but there’s usually a bit of delay that I’ll need to cut out no matter what- at least in my experience.
What do you do if you’re recording remotely and one party’s mic picks up everyone’s audio, and you don’t realise until it’s time to edit the pod? So three guests recorded, and one mic picked up all three, is there a way to make all three sound just as clear?
That's really tough. I don't have a magic bullet solution beyond spending time experimenting with EQ and adjustments. You could also look into Auphonic, which can sometimes help make things sound significantly better.
@@tombuck thank you so much 🤍
The audio on all your podcasts is very crispy!
It really does pay to have the right tools for the job!
Thanks for the video, but I have a question - isnt it possible to record the audio from your friend directly on the Rodecaster if you guys talk through discord?
Yes, but the quality won’t be as good.
What if you have a podcast guest who is not techically blessed? I have some guests who aren't podcasters and some barely know how to navigate a zoom call. How do I ensure the quality of the sound and possibly a video?
You’ll have to give the,so,e kind of tech training, but even if they can just record into the voice memo app in their phone and send you the file, it’ll sound a lot better. You might also want to try a service like Zencastr to see if that simplifies things.
@@tombuck thanks for this!
what kind of camera stand do you use for your setup? looks great
I use an old Manfrotto tripod with the Edelkrone SliderOne on top of it.
Hey Tom - Are you familiar with the other services out there now like Squadcast, Riverside, and Zencastr? I tried Zencastr and couldn't ever even get it to work on my machine. It seems like it may be more geared towards Mac users, but that's total speculation on my part.
I've only ever used Squadcast as a guest, but it was super easy and the ned results were awesome.
@@tombuck I never could get Squadcast to work, but so far I've tried Cleanfeed and Remotely, and both have really great sound quality.
What would you do if you didn’t have the rode caster?
A USB mic directly to the computer works great (that's what Peter does).
I have a RCP, but the person I want to join me on a podcast is not equipped with all the stuff Peter has. He would call in via iphone or android (not sure what he has). Is there a mic/adapter combo to get better quality from a smartphone? The mic on the phone is usable. But, if there's a better option, I'd like to give it a try. I'm not sure he has access to a computer, so I wanted to ask about equipment I *know* he has. Thanks
Most phones, whether iOS or Android will have mic options available. Rode even has a line of mobile mics that work pretty well (I've only use the iPhone versions, but they're nice).
@@tombuck Great. Thanks, Tom
I use cleanfeed for audio. Gonna try discord with craig for an episode. Trying new things!
Always fun to try something new. Good luck!
@@tombuck that’s the plan! Cleanfeed has worked great. But I found this thing called Craig for discord that records multitrack. It’s nice to have options if needed! Great content as always btw!
Hi Tom! This might be a stupid question but why don`t you play your intro and outro from your rodecaster?
Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't, it just sort of depends on the specific setup for each episode. It's easy to automate intros with Ecamm, so sometimes I do that just out of laziness 😁
@@tombuck thank you for the reply. Still learning with the rodecaster pro.
Question: What pop filter are you using on the Podmic?
It’s the Rode WS 2, and it works great. I think it actually improves the sound quality quite a bit.
So the Roadcaster Pro is a need? 🤔
For this workflow you'll need some sort of recorder, and the RCP is my interface of choice.
Great video brother. What type of XLR cables do you use?
The brand is Dremake on Amazon. They're pretty good, but can be subject to interference from time to time.
This is what I’m talking about! Just about to eat but will watch later... then maybe ask you to FaceTime me because I’m rubbish at technology 😂 - remember, if you can’t “do” then teach. And if you can’t teach, then teach phys ed 😂
Haha- it’s not too difficult don’t worry!
Really love your channel. Tom, you deserve more followers :D 1M soon
Hey thank you so much! I really appreciate that!
Man podcasting is such a headache, thanks for the help!
You’re welcome! The important thing is to have fun with it.
Would it be possible to use Timecode to sync audio?
Absolutely, if you have equipment that can generate TC 👍
Thank you Tom! That was helpful!!
I'm really happy to hear that! Good luck putting it to use in your workflow 👍
This is a cool technique. You should check out zencastr.com. They store the podcast locally when recording and then uploads to the cloud automatically after finishing your recording. It’s made my cousins and I podcast all about Disney (Oh Boy Pa’Cast) so fun and easy to record. She’s in NY and I’m in MD 🙃
Great video tho 😃. I did learn some things!
That sounds awesome (pun intended)!
Great video! Quick question, how you make sure that the FaceTime audio isn't recorded on your solo recording mic track in GarageBand (with no rodecaster pro)?
You should be able to "Solo" your audio and the FaceTime audio to hear both tracks, then Mute the FaceTime audio to take it out of the mix. It could have changed, but that should work (and that's how it works on the Rodecaster too).
Great video, thanks for the tips!
Love the podcast with you and Peter!!
I’m so happy to hear it! It’s really fun to do.
I wonder the quality of studio voice recorded is all magic of pro mics and gears and correction on post? Let me explain with an example, your voice has a pleasant vibration and resonance. Is it your natural voice or you created to be like that? What if I find my voice not pleasant as should be. I don't know, maybe doesn't have some frequency that should have. Is it possible to achieve a good voice by professional radio/studio mics ? Is it possible to fake it or create it in post?
I hope I made the point. Sorry for my bad English. I'm based on Belgium.
Hello in Belgium! I do very little post processing (if any at all), so I'll take your comments as kind compliments, haha! You can definitely adjust the quality of sound to better suit your ear, which usually includes modifying the highs and/or lows. Depending on which software you're editing with, you might also be able to create a preset and apply it to all future clips with one click.
@@tombuck thank you👍
Love the videos! So helpful!
My question is, what would you do to set up 2 in-person people and one video guest. Trying to have both in person peeps see the video guest but all audio run through my rodecaster pro. Trying to figure out best way to do this. Any suggestions?
Basically the same thing, with two mics running into the Rodecaster and the remote person recording on their end if possible. You could also use something like Squadcast or Zencastr 👍
When editing do you have an issue with the video and sound sync? Or is it only an audio podcast.
This is audio only, but I haven’t too many issues with sound sync at 24fps
hi! great video! i tried to do that to aidacity with my cohost but after we finished our recording she couldn't send me her audacity file in order to connect them. How can she send fer file to me? (we tried email, drive, wetransfer but couldn't make it). Does she has to convert it to mp3 first or she is it okay to send me her audacity recording? If it's okay how can she send it to me?
Thank you for your help!!!
I haven't used Audacity myself, but I've always had good luck with Google Drive and Dropbox for file transfers.
This video helped a lot
I’m so glad to hear it!
Hi Tom. I'm in the midst of attempting to execute this exact setup (I'm in Phoenix, co-host in Los Angeles). I'm using the Rodecaster Pro with my MacBook and he's recording into Audacity on his PC (Booooooo on PCs) as opposed to Garage Band. My question is: When you set up your monitoring, you mentioned you have him solo'd and muted so you can hear him via the USB channel with his FaceTime audio - are you able to hear yourself in your headphones, or just Peter? For some reason, I'm experiencing an either/or situation and not able to hear both of us at the same time. Thank you for your time and dedication to your videos (and podcasts). Cheers!
Great question- you should also have yourself solo’d. That way you’ll hear both of you, but only your voice will be recorded.
Thanks for the kind words!
@@tombuck fantastic! Thank you for the quick reply/help. Have a great day!
Good video!
Adobe Premiere makes it easy to edit ya audio also.
Wtf Mr. Buck is a podcaster? He used to be my yearbook teacher 😭🤩🙌
Can you use focusrite please
How does your Swedish friend hear you? (You mentioned how you hear him, but you have the fancy Rode Podcast Pro.)
We’re using FaceTime for the conversation, so it’s totally separate from the Rodecaster. 👍
Hey there, thanks so much for the information! Quick question, hopefully I didn't miss this point - Is there a way to monitor your microphone's audio as well as hear the other person's facetime audio simultaneously from your computer when using this facetime approach? Currently for my podcast we are using two sets of headphones at once to get this effect: one ear is the mic audio from the computer, the other is connected to the facetime audio on an iphone. This approach works ok, but would love to consolidate. Thank you in advance!
I run everything through the Rodecaster, so that takes care of it. Beyond that, another interface like the Scarlett would probably do the trick. I’ve never had luck monitoring from the computer directly without latency issues.
@@tombuck Thank you, I appreciate the response sir!
wouldn't cleanfeed be easier?
It looks like it could be a great option, but I'm dubious that any web-based platform would match the quality of a local recording. But I haven't used it yet, so it's probably worth exploring- thanks for the recommendation!
@@tombuck please test it. i'd love your opinion. i trust your recommendations....you're the reason i bought a rodecaster and 2 podmics before recording my first podcast episode...just because you made it look like so much fun... ;-)
Love this video! We're defo gonna use these tips!
Good luck! I’ve been playing with Audition more for editing and I really do like it.