I installed one on my T3 300WSM. It really did help with the groupings. Its now on there and never taken off. It worked for this rifle. I just leave it on. My brother-in-law laughed about it. But I just said well... its useful when you have it on there in your hunting rig. Its the same idea as bow stabilizer. Harmonics. Simms have been in that business for years.
I love how Mark squirms at every thought of having that prophylactic on his rifle. It's not even that he's worried about it shooting better, it's all about how it looks on his rifle.
Anything that changes barrel harmonics will either positively or negatively impact groups the limbsaver works it’s not ascetically pleasing but it does work
An example: my Savage Axis in 30'06 loves 150gr and 180gr. I would prefer to use 165gr as a do it all bullet weight but 2 1/2 MOA isn't acceptable. Try the De Resonator with the 165gr.
The instructions are very clear, if the barrel is free floated then start the limbsaver near the muzzle to start. If the barrel is not free floated then start near fore end of stock. The way I use it is I get as good a load as I can through reloading and then use the limbsaver to get a little more. I usually find it improves my 100 yard group by 25%.
i put one of these on a marlin 795 that would at best shoot 0.8-1.0 @ 50 yards. after putting it on i was getting 0.4 average from 5, 5 shot groups! mind blown… and i was using cheap cci blazer ta boot. crazy…
There are barrel whip and there are barrel resonance. Most what people thing is resonance is whip, this wouldnt do anything for the amount of forces on the barrel. The resonance it could effect which would potentially effect follow-up shots but it would just effect changing the resonance and each barrel, thickness, material, bore, temperature will impact it. You would need to find out the resonant frequency of the barrel and adjust the ball thing accordingly, now if that will actually do anything for your accuracy. I would say no it wont. Because if it did it would come on your gun and you would see PRS matches with all of them on their barrels 15 years ago.
Excellent harmonic balance between the hosts. My hunting partner has a like Limbsaver branded rubber barrel ring (it's just a ring, not this configuration) on a Savage Westher Warrior .300 WSM. He swears by it.
Yes, understanding the road to greater accuracy becomes easier once you recognize the basic concept of wanting a bullet to leave the barrel once it has become stationary. Because of natural vibration, this only happens at the peaks of its sinusoidal flex. Barrel tuners allow the shooter to adjust the barrel's flex to make this event closer to ideal. It also points to why different bullet weights and powder charges create varying levels of accuracy, and why some barrels with a pressure post are more accurate than others that are free-floated. Experimenting with the torque of action screws, and especially the front screw, is based on achieving the same improvement for the same reasons.
When you do your "wip tuner" range day, bring your high speed camera and multiple wip dampers. Cell phone set to slowmo may be a fast enough frame rate(not likely) to show the wip change, and help identify what muzzle tip behavior is most desirable.
Ryan's mug makes me think of Max Headroom... Harmonics - watch Eddie Van Halen tap the beginning of Women In Love - he's hitting notes that resonate harmonically. The guitar string is a certain length between the two ends of the guitar, and if you split it in half, at the 12th fret, you can get a harmonic reaction there - and there are other places you can see that happen along the neck. The best example I can think of is if you think of a bathtub half filled with water, with the same shape at both ends of the tub. Drop something right at the middle, and the waves will propagate to the opposing ends of the tub, and then they will reflect back towards the middle. When the reflections meet at the middle, they cross over and create a peak - there will be other waves as well, but the point here is that the point at which they cross over at the middle is a depiction of a harmonic resonance - cutting the wave at the halfway point... That's not exactly how it works, but I'm trying to paint a picture - if you pick a guitar string, it plays a note. If you put a finger lightly above that string at the 12th fret and then pick the string, it will play that note, but basically, two waves will be generated along that string, and one will go towards the bridge, and the other wave will go up the neck - and once they reach the end of their length, the wave will reflect and go back towards the middle, where they will crossover - think of it as the 0 on a sine wave - so it is technically the opposite of the tub example, but that was to paint a picture of the reflection of the wave. Now, take this harmonic resonance and apply it to a barrel - that's something that should be visible when using a high speed camera, and it makes sense that the Deresonator does its job by splitting the waves so that they bounce into each other at complimentary frequencies. When playing guitar, for example, playing two notes that don't go together can cause dissonance and can be very unpleasant to hear, but when you play complimentary notes, notes that resonate harmonically, it can sound glorious. Last point - about dissonance - if we go back to the bathtub example, dropping an item at the middle gives us harmony when the waves reflect and cross over at the middle, and they'll keep doing that over and over again, with a smooth peak at the middle. But if you drop something a little bit off to one side of the middle, the waves will reflect and then cross over at a point other than the middle, and instead of having smooth crossover at the middle peak, we end up with, over multiple oscillations of the sine wave, peaks that crash into each other at different points, not creating a nice big peak in the middle, but little peaks everywhere that fight each other, and deplete their energy because they're crashing into each other, causing breaking peaks, instead of smooth sine wave crossovers. How much of that plays into the rifle harmonics? I'm sure that's exactly what this device does, and now I am going to buy one and try it out. If you've read this far, when you go out to test this theory, take a high speed camera with you and record the rifle firing, from the side, so you can see the barrel 'wave', and see if you can figure out where to place the device - and make adjustments looking at the film - see how it affects the 'wave'.
23:03 If the exact Ammo is out of production... We would accept using the same rifle, with a variety of similar ammunitions. You've done that for the ballistic gel tests, Copper this, binded that, cup and core, etc etc. See what performance it averages over several 3 or 4 or 5 shot groups... With each ammunition type... Then add the 'device', and see if that rifle... Tightens up.
I had a Browning Stainless steel Stalker in 7mm rem mag . I could never get it to shoot a good group . It always threw the first shot 1" high and 1" to the right the next two shots would be dead on . Would have loved to have one of those .
Just a thought here after reading alot of the comments how about you buy like 10 of the donkers and line the whole outside of the barrel and see what happens love the content keep it coming
I once had a long barreled Browning in 270 win and had a Browning 'compensator' installed. Results? ASTOUNDING!. Don't know a thing about the 10.00$ thing they are discussing so have no opinion. But the Browning ended up a little better than .25 MOA which is pretty much as good as I've ever been able to shoot.
Reminds me of a barrel tuner, Eric Cortina has a few he produces. Another UA-camr (@Gunfather Precision) did something similar with a shaft collar, 2$ barrel tuner video.
"Deresonator" is probably the wrong term - it's really a "harmonic tuner"where you're adding mass to a system to *change* its resonance point, just like anything else you attach to your barrel (brake, thread protector, sights, etc.) will. Like others mentioned it's a barrel tuner, and it's just convenient to move this tuning mass around to find the right point, and thus the right resonant frequency, for your rifle with any given ammunition. Because it's rubber, or at least rubber-coated, it also won't mar your barrel. In principle it's no different than finding the right load for your gun - when you adjust powder charge you're varying how much power is put into the system to start it oscillating (which affects frequency and where in the cycle the bullet leaves the barrel based on bullet speed), with these devices you're keeping power & bullet speed consistent and tuning the mass of the system to change the frequencies involved, and in both cases you want the bullet leaving the barrel while it's "paused" in its oscillations.
They do work to a degree but you have to fine tune it up n down till your groups tighten! All this is doing is changing the whip/node at witch your bullet exits the muzzle! This can also be done by changing bullet seating depth when you reload
You probably was shooting different ammo than he tested it with. Thats what ima go with. Because that would bebthe only thing that would throw it off if its in the wrong place for that ammo. Especially if there's a big change in weight and speed.
Its really just a barrel tuner made of rubber….. same thing can be accomplished with a steel ring with ring with a set screw like i made. i turned it on my lathe in 20 mins and i set it with a caliper but be careful using it with harder recoiling rifles, cause it can move on you, so it is best practice to check it after every couple shots with your caliper cause it can make your gun shoot better or worse it just depends on where you put it on the barrel it is the exact same concept as erik cortina’s tuner break cause it changes the harmonics of your barrel by changing where the weight is essentially
I feel a little bad for Mark after getting railroaded by a couple guys with a barrel doughnut. But mostly because he should be able to save the ammo he likes for his gun thats not available anymore. That seems important to him.
Yes tuners like these can work sometimes, but it's also like carrying a Taurus. Does it kinda work?....yes? Is it awkward, and will your friends make fun of you?... also yes lol
28:20 I thought there was going to be a cutaway to the range results... Hrmmm. I've been Spoiled by the cartridge ballistic gel pairings, Being available for review in the library. Drat
Yeppers he definitely changed ammo and dint realide or adjust the doinker 😂. He said man im shooting like crap took it off and was like oh thats better but oh it would have been even better if he readjusted it😢
Like Mark, I tried it on my 7 PRC and it did not work. In fact, I think it was turning rifle into a 2 or 3 MOA. By that time, the barrel was hot, I was at range and did not want to remove the brake. So, I cut it off. Immediately the groups got better (PH 175 ELD-X factory.) For a 3 shot group that I need for hunting, it is shooting without the donut .6 inches. That's good. However, for a statistically valid group size, you need to shoot more than 3 rounds. I watched the Hornady podcast on tuners. tuners do help and so do suppressors and brakes. Any thing on the end of the barrel will help but there was not enough clear evidence that adjusting a tuner was any better than any other weight on the end of the barrel. Here is the Hornady podcast. ua-cam.com/video/dYyRkzUaur8/v-deo.html
Your donger is a lifetime investment and as it gets older and performance slips, wearing your luck outerwear should not be shied away from to improve the current load.
Barrel harmonics is such a complex thing, I can't imagine a 10$ piece of rubber would improve much. If it did I can imagine it would consistently. And the milage would vary wildly.
Not when I can get the same results buying off the shelf loads and a $10 chunk of rubber. If you love spending the time and money doing that as a hobby, awesome. Personally I don't have the time nor interest. Additionally if for some reason reloads don't get to my hunting destination, with this I can tune it to almost any box of ammo I can find.
@@rickyanke9407 lol. Your not getting the same results. Factory ammo will never shoot anywhere as tight or consistent as hand loading. Never seen anyone shoot a rubber donut in competition or factory ammo for that matter. Alot of my target and predator rifles will shoot .3" groups consistent at 300 yards with hand loads. You'll never do that consistently at 100 yards with a rubber donut and factory ammo. If your a 150 yard shooter on deer 2moa is good enough for most because they can't shoot good enough to tell if their rifle is capable of better accuracy. I have way to many firearms and shoot thousands of rounds of rounds a years. Not going to happen buying factory ammo. Some of my calibers cost $20 to $25 plus a round if I had to try and locatate obsolete factory ammo for it. No thanks, I like to shoot my guns instead of looking at them. To each his own. But when I was your mind frame I was just getting into buying and collecting guns. Re visit in 10 years and I bet you are reloading if your still in the hobby. All that rubber donut is doing is putting a bandaid on a poorly bedded rifle. Accraglass bedding compound doesn't cost much more than the donut gimmic. It will also shoot tighter groups with a properly bedded rifle vs that goofy looking rubber donut. I fell victim of your mindset back in the early 90s. I even tried one of the goofy donuts myself. I'd get a good group once in a blue moon but it was never consistent. Good enough for minute of deer. Sticking a couple busses cards(which didn't cost anything) between my barrel and forend produced tighter and way more consistent groups. It turned my 1.5 to 3 moa gun into half moa at the time. Went to bedding and free floating my barrel with the same consistentcy and a permanent result that didn't look goofy or cobbled. From there I lightened my triggers down to 1 to 2 pounds, bought full length H&S Prescion stocks, and started reloading. If your worried about accuracy you get to this eventually. Any serious hunter and shooter always does. Good luck in your venture.
@@tripplebeards3427 my point was exactly about the time and expenses involved in reloading. If that's what you want to spend your time and money doing, to get .05" better groups, great. Enjoy your hobby. For everyone else, you can easily reduce your 100yd groups by.5-1.0" with a $10 product AND use it to tune for other loads (factory or reloads). If I want 115 gr for yotes and 150 for deer and 180 for elk, I can buy whatever is on the shelf. If my rifle doesn't like it, the same $10 product (and even $2 products) will improve grouping on all three loads. Just keep notes on the placement measurements and adjust it in seconds. Changing the harmonics of the barrel is far faster, cheaper and easier from the outside than changing a Ioad from the inside. I follow enough about competition rifle shooting to know that hubris is a component of why you don't see these types of products being used. Some men would rather lose than to win with one of those on their rifle. It's been said many times and you can find those statements in every comments section of every video about these products. Enjoy your hobby.
@@rickyanke9407 yep, $10 can’t hurt most peoples pocket books when your just getting started in the hobby. To me, and most, it’s just a Gimmic…but it works.
I put one on my ruger m77 lightweight in 30/06 tang safety made in '89. Grouped no better than 2moa before. Easily moa after. Barrel placement is key. Mine liked it about 4in from the end of the barrel . They do work. For 10 bucks try it.
I put a EC-TUNER break on my set up and it's crazy cool to literally dial in the groups... My gun shoots 3/4 moa at 100 yards and that's damn good for off the shelf ammo but now I can run any box so far that I've tried, and have it 1/2 moa or better.... They work for me
I was hoping for some valid information regarding the product, but rather , I was giving snide remarks. Couldn't watch through half the video. Very disappointed in the hosts.
Tried putting one on a Remington 597 22lr with a bull barrel. Couldn't get it on more than just barely, it made o difference and it was so hard to get off my hand ached for a week afterward.
I had high hopes until you guys started talking about your testing philosophy and realized that if you're wineing about not having enough ammo you're definitely not going to do a scientific test to find the limits of this device.
You don't bring in a rifle with the ammo it shoots well. Bring in the rifle with ammo you already know it doesn't shoot well. Then see if it can improve that ammo's group in that gun.
I wonder if this episode will resonate with the audience
No
Depends on the vibe(ration) we pick up
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I see what you did there
I installed one on my T3 300WSM. It really did help with the groupings. Its now on there and never taken off. It worked for this rifle. I just leave it on. My brother-in-law laughed about it. But I just said well... its useful when you have it on there in your hunting rig. Its the same idea as bow stabilizer. Harmonics. Simms have been in that business for years.
I love how Mark squirms at every thought of having that prophylactic on his rifle. It's not even that he's worried about it shooting better, it's all about how it looks on his rifle.
I would love to see this test. Ten shot groups without it on and with it on?
This episode was just too funny!!!😂😂😂😂
Ya had me at "Doinker".....then Jim put it on, at Mark's request.....hysterical.
Anything that changes barrel harmonics will either positively or negatively impact groups the limbsaver works it’s not ascetically pleasing but it does work
An example: my Savage Axis in 30'06 loves 150gr and 180gr. I would prefer to use 165gr as a do it all bullet weight but 2 1/2 MOA isn't acceptable. Try the De Resonator with the 165gr.
The instructions are very clear, if the barrel is free floated then start the limbsaver near the muzzle to start. If the barrel is not free floated then start near fore end of stock. The way I use it is I get as good a load as I can through reloading and then use the limbsaver to get a little more. I usually find it improves my 100 yard group by 25%.
This has been an interesting and totally entertaining episode 😂.
i put one of these on a marlin 795 that would at best shoot 0.8-1.0 @ 50 yards. after putting it on i was getting 0.4 average from 5, 5 shot groups! mind blown… and i was using cheap cci blazer ta boot.
crazy…
I’ve never seen Mark swirm this much ever
Great results with my 2 Tikka T3's have used this product for Years !!
There are barrel whip and there are barrel resonance. Most what people thing is resonance is whip, this wouldnt do anything for the amount of forces on the barrel. The resonance it could effect which would potentially effect follow-up shots but it would just effect changing the resonance and each barrel, thickness, material, bore, temperature will impact it. You would need to find out the resonant frequency of the barrel and adjust the ball thing accordingly, now if that will actually do anything for your accuracy. I would say no it wont. Because if it did it would come on your gun and you would see PRS matches with all of them on their barrels 15 years ago.
This was crazy good!!!
I think this is my favorite episode so far 🤣
Dude! You guys are the best and I know the older you guys get the better it’s going to get. 🤛🏼
We need the part 2 on this with the testing.
I use a limbsaver deresonator on my Savage Axis .223. I found that it helps a bit on inexpensive rifles such as the axis.
I feel it probably works better on thinner contour barrels
Yeah, me too. The axis has a thin barrel that isn’t free floating.
Excellent harmonic balance between the hosts. My hunting partner has a like Limbsaver branded rubber barrel ring (it's just a ring, not this configuration) on a Savage Westher Warrior .300 WSM. He swears by it.
Yes, understanding the road to greater accuracy becomes easier once you recognize the basic concept of wanting a bullet to leave the barrel once it has become stationary. Because of natural vibration, this only happens at the peaks of its sinusoidal flex. Barrel tuners allow the shooter to adjust the barrel's flex to make this event closer to ideal. It also points to why different bullet weights and powder charges create varying levels of accuracy, and why some barrels with a pressure post are more accurate than others that are free-floated. Experimenting with the torque of action screws, and especially the front screw, is based on achieving the same improvement for the same reasons.
Tuners don’t work. They’re BS
TOONING
Call me immature, but best podcast ever
Works great on my 22 cal air rifle and planning to try 1 on my 22 mag.
When you do your "wip tuner" range day, bring your high speed camera and multiple wip dampers.
Cell phone set to slowmo may be a fast enough frame rate(not likely) to show the wip change, and help identify what muzzle tip behavior is most desirable.
We need an episode on the guns of lore these three guys talk about all the time. Marks wsm, Ryan’s 300wby, and Jim’s 6.5 American.
Ryan's mug makes me think of Max Headroom... Harmonics - watch Eddie Van Halen tap the beginning of Women In Love - he's hitting notes that resonate harmonically. The guitar string is a certain length between the two ends of the guitar, and if you split it in half, at the 12th fret, you can get a harmonic reaction there - and there are other places you can see that happen along the neck. The best example I can think of is if you think of a bathtub half filled with water, with the same shape at both ends of the tub. Drop something right at the middle, and the waves will propagate to the opposing ends of the tub, and then they will reflect back towards the middle. When the reflections meet at the middle, they cross over and create a peak - there will be other waves as well, but the point here is that the point at which they cross over at the middle is a depiction of a harmonic resonance - cutting the wave at the halfway point... That's not exactly how it works, but I'm trying to paint a picture - if you pick a guitar string, it plays a note. If you put a finger lightly above that string at the 12th fret and then pick the string, it will play that note, but basically, two waves will be generated along that string, and one will go towards the bridge, and the other wave will go up the neck - and once they reach the end of their length, the wave will reflect and go back towards the middle, where they will crossover - think of it as the 0 on a sine wave - so it is technically the opposite of the tub example, but that was to paint a picture of the reflection of the wave. Now, take this harmonic resonance and apply it to a barrel - that's something that should be visible when using a high speed camera, and it makes sense that the Deresonator does its job by splitting the waves so that they bounce into each other at complimentary frequencies. When playing guitar, for example, playing two notes that don't go together can cause dissonance and can be very unpleasant to hear, but when you play complimentary notes, notes that resonate harmonically, it can sound glorious. Last point - about dissonance - if we go back to the bathtub example, dropping an item at the middle gives us harmony when the waves reflect and cross over at the middle, and they'll keep doing that over and over again, with a smooth peak at the middle. But if you drop something a little bit off to one side of the middle, the waves will reflect and then cross over at a point other than the middle, and instead of having smooth crossover at the middle peak, we end up with, over multiple oscillations of the sine wave, peaks that crash into each other at different points, not creating a nice big peak in the middle, but little peaks everywhere that fight each other, and deplete their energy because they're crashing into each other, causing breaking peaks, instead of smooth sine wave crossovers. How much of that plays into the rifle harmonics? I'm sure that's exactly what this device does, and now I am going to buy one and try it out. If you've read this far, when you go out to test this theory, take a high speed camera with you and record the rifle firing, from the side, so you can see the barrel 'wave', and see if you can figure out where to place the device - and make adjustments looking at the film - see how it affects the 'wave'.
You had me at EVH Women in love!
Anyone who says that on a rifle comment section is the smartest guy in the room. 🤘
Can I suggest you make a similar piece of kit and market it as The Dionker.
Love the content. Keep it up.
The fact that we are Toyota guys makes me feel right at home here!
Testing...he we come! Targets await the tests! Methods will be explained! Part 2 is going to reveal the truth! Or will it!?
If one works good, does 2 work better?
23:03
If the exact Ammo is out of production...
We would accept using the same rifle, with a variety of similar ammunitions. You've done that for the ballistic gel tests,
Copper this, binded that, cup and core, etc etc.
See what performance it averages over several 3 or 4 or 5 shot groups... With each ammunition type...
Then add the 'device', and see if that rifle... Tightens up.
I had a Browning Stainless steel Stalker in 7mm rem mag . I could never get it to shoot a good group . It always threw the first shot 1" high and 1" to the right the next two shots would be dead on . Would have loved to have one of those .
He said, she said....😂😂😂😂
Just a thought here after reading alot of the comments how about you buy like 10 of the donkers and line the whole outside of the barrel and see what happens love the content keep it coming
Even my wife was laughing and she had no idea what you were talking about
I once had a long barreled Browning in 270 win and had a Browning 'compensator' installed. Results? ASTOUNDING!. Don't know a thing about the 10.00$ thing they are discussing so have no opinion. But the Browning ended up a little better than .25 MOA which is pretty much as good as I've ever been able to shoot.
Reminds me of a barrel tuner, Eric Cortina has a few he produces. Another UA-camr (@Gunfather Precision) did something similar with a shaft collar, 2$ barrel tuner video.
How much for the Ryan coffee cup? 2 box of tungsten.410 shells sound about right?
Can’t wait to see the test
24:34
Jim.
Oh no mark, every rifle I own, shoots real. Nice right now.
Borat might say
Verrry Niice
"Deresonator" is probably the wrong term - it's really a "harmonic tuner"where you're adding mass to a system to *change* its resonance point, just like anything else you attach to your barrel (brake, thread protector, sights, etc.) will. Like others mentioned it's a barrel tuner, and it's just convenient to move this tuning mass around to find the right point, and thus the right resonant frequency, for your rifle with any given ammunition. Because it's rubber, or at least rubber-coated, it also won't mar your barrel.
In principle it's no different than finding the right load for your gun - when you adjust powder charge you're varying how much power is put into the system to start it oscillating (which affects frequency and where in the cycle the bullet leaves the barrel based on bullet speed), with these devices you're keeping power & bullet speed consistent and tuning the mass of the system to change the frequencies involved, and in both cases you want the bullet leaving the barrel while it's "paused" in its oscillations.
They do work to a degree but you have to fine tune it up n down till your groups tighten! All this is doing is changing the whip/node at witch your bullet exits the muzzle! This can also be done by changing bullet seating depth when you reload
If you don't reload, for a myriad of reasons, this will do the job in a fraction of the time and money.
Dilly-Doinker! Doink! Doink! Doink!
It's a awesome product. Works on my axis 308.
You probably was shooting different ammo than he tested it with. Thats what ima go with. Because that would bebthe only thing that would throw it off if its in the wrong place for that ammo. Especially if there's a big change in weight and speed.
Thank you Vortex
And i found it oline and will order soon 😊 thanks guys for the cheap new product to play around with and making me laugh 😂. Great paodcast.
Speaking of cheap accurate things the 340 weatherby magnum is very accurate and on that note upnext on 10 min talk the 340 weatherbt magnum
They are funny and intellectual at the same time.😅
Lol, I thought Ryan was going to lose it!
If you guys want to talk about another unique cartrige that not many people talks about, the 8x56r is a good one or 7.7 Japanese
Link to that product?
Its really just a barrel tuner made of rubber….. same thing can be accomplished with a steel ring with ring with a set screw like i made. i turned it on my lathe in 20 mins and i set it with a caliper but be careful using it with harder recoiling rifles, cause it can move on you, so it is best practice to check it after every couple shots with your caliper cause it can make your gun shoot better or worse it just depends on where you put it on the barrel it is the exact same concept as erik cortina’s tuner break cause it changes the harmonics of your barrel by changing where the weight is essentially
I feel a little bad for Mark after getting railroaded by a couple guys with a barrel doughnut. But mostly because he should be able to save the ammo he likes for his gun thats not available anymore. That seems important to him.
How many times do i have to comment to see it happen?
Barrel harmonics: This device might just mirror the harmonics of minute changes in powder type and amounts.
Nice one,you gave it a good go this time. I’d be interested to see if you can make a fair test, without collapsing with laughter.
Yes tuners like these can work sometimes, but it's also like carrying a Taurus. Does it kinda work?....yes? Is it awkward, and will your friends make fun of you?... also yes lol
28:20
I thought there was going to be a cutaway to the range results... Hrmmm.
I've been Spoiled by the cartridge ballistic gel pairings,
Being available for review in the library.
Drat
HE DOES IT ON THE BROWNING IN QUESTION
1:11 Giggity
im watching this and listening to Mark back pedal and I'm busting a gut laughing at him.....
I seem to think the one I use to have was branded by LimbSaver
When you buy one at midway USA you get a free dental dam
Want to see the results of the test.
Mark had me cracking up.
Can we get a podcast on watches and their role for hunters or shooters?
They tell time of day. That's their role.
Yeppers he definitely changed ammo and dint realide or adjust the doinker 😂. He said man im shooting like crap took it off and was like oh thats better but oh it would have been even better if he readjusted it😢
If you do the test, it should be a factory rifle, unmodified.
Like Mark, I tried it on my 7 PRC and it did not work. In fact, I think it was turning rifle into a 2 or 3 MOA. By that time, the barrel was hot, I was at range and did not want to remove the brake. So, I cut it off. Immediately the groups got better (PH 175 ELD-X factory.) For a 3 shot group that I need for hunting, it is shooting without the donut .6 inches. That's good.
However, for a statistically valid group size, you need to shoot more than 3 rounds. I watched the Hornady podcast on tuners. tuners do help and so do suppressors and brakes. Any thing on the end of the barrel will help but there was not enough clear evidence that adjusting a tuner was any better than any other weight on the end of the barrel.
Here is the Hornady podcast.
ua-cam.com/video/dYyRkzUaur8/v-deo.html
Corrected title:
“Mark gets roasted for alternate reality relating to barrel dingus” 😂
TRAINING WHEELS ON THE LEAD SLED..😂
Your donger is a lifetime investment and as it gets older and performance slips, wearing your luck outerwear should not be shied away from to improve the current load.
Confirmed, Mark hates this device as well
Mark just doesn’t want to shoot his 300 WSM. I have a 270WSM and don’t particularly care to shoot it at the range when sighting in.
Tuned mass damper, engineers have known for a long time about TMDs
It’s called the 300 wsm doinker
Ive seen them work. But you gotta think. If that thing moves a half inch, it could change group sizes. Sometimes from moa to 1.5-2 moa. So no thanks.
Barrel harmonics is such a complex thing, I can't imagine a 10$ piece of rubber would improve much. If it did I can imagine it would consistently. And the milage would vary wildly.
It's really basic physics and not that complex.
If your father used a cheap piece of rubber, these comments would have improved much.
I remember when these came to market. I almost died laughing. Free float your barrel, bed your action, and hand load people.
Not when I can get the same results buying off the shelf loads and a $10 chunk of rubber. If you love spending the time and money doing that as a hobby, awesome. Personally I don't have the time nor interest. Additionally if for some reason reloads don't get to my hunting destination, with this I can tune it to almost any box of ammo I can find.
@@rickyanke9407 lol. Your not getting the same results. Factory ammo will never shoot anywhere as tight or consistent as hand loading. Never seen anyone shoot a rubber donut in competition or factory ammo for that matter. Alot of my target and predator rifles will shoot .3" groups consistent at 300 yards with hand loads. You'll never do that consistently at 100 yards with a rubber donut and factory ammo. If your a 150 yard shooter on deer 2moa is good enough for most because they can't shoot good enough to tell if their rifle is capable of better accuracy. I have way to many firearms and shoot thousands of rounds of rounds a years. Not going to happen buying factory ammo. Some of my calibers cost $20 to $25 plus a round if I had to try and locatate obsolete factory ammo for it. No thanks, I like to shoot my guns instead of looking at them. To each his own. But when I was your mind frame I was just getting into buying and collecting guns. Re visit in 10 years and I bet you are reloading if your still in the hobby. All that rubber donut is doing is putting a bandaid on a poorly bedded rifle. Accraglass bedding compound doesn't cost much more than the donut gimmic. It will also shoot tighter groups with a properly bedded rifle vs that goofy looking rubber donut. I fell victim of your mindset back in the early 90s. I even tried one of the goofy donuts myself. I'd get a good group once in a blue moon but it was never consistent. Good enough for minute of deer. Sticking a couple busses cards(which didn't cost anything) between my barrel and forend produced tighter and way more consistent groups. It turned my 1.5 to 3 moa gun into half moa at the time. Went to bedding and free floating my barrel with the same consistentcy and a permanent result that didn't look goofy or cobbled. From there I lightened my triggers down to 1 to 2 pounds, bought full length H&S Prescion stocks, and started reloading. If your worried about accuracy you get to this eventually. Any serious hunter and shooter always does. Good luck in your venture.
@@tripplebeards3427 my point was exactly about the time and expenses involved in reloading. If that's what you want to spend your time and money doing, to get .05" better groups, great. Enjoy your hobby. For everyone else, you can easily reduce your 100yd groups by.5-1.0" with a $10 product AND use it to tune for other loads (factory or reloads). If I want 115 gr for yotes and 150 for deer and 180 for elk, I can buy whatever is on the shelf. If my rifle doesn't like it, the same $10 product (and even $2 products) will improve grouping on all three loads. Just keep notes on the placement measurements and adjust it in seconds. Changing the harmonics of the barrel is far faster, cheaper and easier from the outside than changing a Ioad from the inside. I follow enough about competition rifle shooting to know that hubris is a component of why you don't see these types of products being used. Some men would rather lose than to win with one of those on their rifle. It's been said many times and you can find those statements in every comments section of every video about these products. Enjoy your hobby.
@@rickyanke9407 yep, $10 can’t hurt most peoples pocket books when your just getting started in the hobby. To me, and most, it’s just a Gimmic…but it works.
Try in on a rimfire
Sometimes it’s lonely hunting alone…🤷♂️
Show us how it works.
Why is there a shelf of spam cans!? 🤣🤔
What's on Ryan's Coffee Mug? lol
Each bring a rifle and try it. Make a video and lets see the results.
I put one on my ruger m77 lightweight in 30/06 tang safety made in '89. Grouped no better than 2moa before. Easily moa after. Barrel placement is key. Mine liked it about 4in from the end of the barrel . They do work. For 10 bucks try it.
I put a EC-TUNER break on my set up and it's crazy cool to literally dial in the groups... My gun shoots 3/4 moa at 100 yards and that's damn good for off the shelf ammo but now I can run any box so far that I've tried, and have it 1/2 moa or better.... They work for me
You keep telling yourself that buddy
Yep 💯% buddy
You don't understand statistics and got conned out of 250 bucks.
Shoot a 5 shot group on each setting then a 25 shot group on each setting. Bet you won't.
I was hoping for some valid information regarding the product, but rather , I was giving snide remarks. Couldn't watch through half the video. Very disappointed in the hosts.
It's called banter, snowflake.
oh yeah my girl got some of these they come on a string
You call your anus 'my girl'?
I’m glad men and woman can use….. the product
Tried putting one on a Remington 597 22lr with a bull barrel. Couldn't get it on more than just barely, it made o difference and it was so hard to get off my hand ached for a week afterward.
Supposed to put oil on it first. Plus they make them for larger barrels also.
I still don't know what the hell that thing does.... 😂
This was exhausting to try to listen to
Another Great Podcast Guys 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
I had high hopes until you guys started talking about your testing philosophy and realized that if you're wineing about not having enough ammo you're definitely not going to do a scientific test to find the limits of this device.
You don't bring in a rifle with the ammo it shoots well. Bring in the rifle with ammo you already know it doesn't shoot well. Then see if it can improve that ammo's group in that gun.
It sucked on my .22lr
I'm 100% with Mark..... The only difference is, I'm not scared to admit that I wouldn't use it because it looks like dodo on the gun. 😂
Still waiting for the CARTRIDGE TALKS.