Pretty much agree with everything you said. In terms of performance, Clusterfuck or an upgraded Vintar are pretty much just as good, and don't fire super rare and expensive ammo.
Yeah ClusterFuck should be as good as Mark1 but much cheaper, I would bump Mark 1 down in a tier list though, not being able to 1 tap humans with 308 boolet is not good in endgame fights lol
@@IcedCoffeeGaming the default weapon balance in the game is just crap - makes so many weapons subpar for the sake of progression. This thing is pretty good once you use a weapon balance mod based on ammo etc.
Mark I is better for the long distance than any assult rifle in the game. Damage stats are degrading over distance. For sniper rifles they degrade slowly, over larger distance.
Given that its ammo is of a similar rarity to 7.62x54, the Mk.1 should be competitive with the SVu which at the moment it isn't. Definitely needs a bit of a buff to be useable late game.
For the "point of no return" stuff, the best weapon is either the Dnipro / Kharod. You will have enough ammo supply(from the enemies) and its just way better than any other weapon in this game, which is sad. I need more variety. The fact that you can use 3-4 guns endgame realiably is bad... Where is the good old weapons from the legendary trilogy? F2000M for example. Hope with DLCs more weapon upgrades and more weapons will get released. I really badly want to use the AR416(the DLC skin one) but it falls off very early in the game... But it is the best looking one. Its sad. I dont know how you guys feel, but i need more weapons... More choices for end game....
100% with your comment bro, i feel future updates will improve the quality of life, i have a small feeling the DLCs will introduce all of this, and more
I`ve tested a lot of guns in S2 and my conclusion is that devs never bothered about balnce. Same damage and penetration for pistol and rifle cartridges? Sounds reasonable.
It's not that simple, it's same over a short range. But falls fast for pistol and SMG over distance. Damage and penetration is not a single value but an inverted parabola over distance.
@@cupotkaable Dude, I simultaneously understand and don't understand what you're talking about. There is a result - at the moment in the game, a pistol and a rifle cartridge have almost the same damage and penetration parameters at close range. I'm not talking about dry numbers, but about the result - both a pistol and a rifle cartridge need 2 shots to kill an armored target, and I don't see this as logical, realistic or balanced. In what world do 9x19 and .308 cartridges have similar parameters and results? Yes, maybe .308 flies faster and does more damage at a greater distance, but how applicable is this in the realities of the game? That's right, not at all. Edit: I can go on and on about the balance of weapons and calibers in this game. Note: my thoughts do not mean that I do not like the game, in fact I get a lot of pleasure from it, but these stupidities, shortcomings and outdated game design drive me crazy.
@МинасУзбек i agree with what happens over a short range. I also agree that it's awkward. I just wanted to point out that over a long distance - Mark I is better, as it will cause more damage. The statement that X is better than Y, should be always followed with a phrase "at short/mid/long" distance. There's no weapon that is better at any distance. How relevant is this in the game? Not really. Very few situations, where you really need a sniper rifle or you can't deal with an assult rifle. Most fights are short-mid range and enemies run toward you. There was 1 side quest, where the stash was protected by a sniper and I had to shoot him over a very long distance. So I used m701. I wish there would be more locations with snipers in the game.
Ok so this rifle should be oneshot headshotting everything because the .308 round is no pushover when it comes to stopping power. With 2,820 FPS on a 150 grain bullet, and 2.7k FPS on a 165 grain bullet, the lighter bullet would deliver 2,104 footpounds of energy at 100 yards much more than is required to penetrate most body armor. Level 3+ and Level 4 at point blank range like this would empty the brain pan. I would believe it if the pistol rounds and regular intermediate ammo did nothing but not the .308.
Look man, this is a game where a 9x39 from a VSS Vintorez does WAAAAAAAY less damage than a 9x39 from a revolver, and a 5.45 does more damage based on how expensive and modern-looking the gun is. Don't use logic, it doesn't work in the Zone.
@EdTheDragonSlayer "Don't use logic is does not work in the zone." The fact of the matter is that when it comes to weapons, the devs are clearly clueless.
Currently no long-range weapons are worth using over an SMG or Assault rifle due to enemies just not spawning far away from you. Hopefully that gets improved with future patches.
I'm looking forward to your VSS Vintorez review in the same style, testing it again with those poor guys with the exosuits! 😅 No, seriously, your videos are top notch! And having the same "testing conditions" for every weapon, makes the comparison easy to understand 🤓👍
I’ve played with mark a lot before I even knew about clusterduck. And till then it was my weapon of choice, especially that full auto saved me from few bloodsuckers before I’ve got any reliable shotgun. To be fair I didn’t played too much with any UA-cam guides until I noticed game is going harder and harder. So for me that was a weapon to run with from point A to point B to feel safer. Other stuff I tried to fight with this early AK sniper thing and rest with pistol.
Mark 1 only one taps with AP on easiest difficulty, ironic. I would prefer the weapon damage of easy difficulty but your fragility of veteran difficulty, that would be very good.
It's pretty similar to semi-auto, but croshair seems to crawls even higher up. It's serviceable at short range, where you'll be using it anyways, but upgrades for full auto reduce the primary advantage this gun has, which good accuracy at distance. And it's not like full auto fire rate is higher than semi-auto in this case.
You can find one for free at Army Warehouses, in Chemical Plant area. Tried to have fun with it even the full auto fire on one of the EMRs I've got - it's OK, but becomes completely obsolete very fast: very expensive and scarce ammo, mediocre stats for a (technically) sniper rifle, not great handling and plenty of similarly good or better options. Oh and full auto upgrade - ain't worth sacrificing range. It's not increasing gun's rpm and matching its base 400rpm is quite easy.
@IcedCoffeeGaming you can shoot anything in game as best i can tell. Side note, im surprised no one has made artifact bullets yet. Or anomaly grenades would be pretty cool. Just throw something that causes a whirlygig to appear in a cluster of enemies? Good times. Is anyone doing that with mods yet?
In my opinion this gun also fall into category: Early too expensive and scarce ammo + upkeep costs, late too ineffective against exos. Generally it is nice example of weapon "Jack of all trades, master of none" M701 or its cavalier version does much better job and it can one shot kill 99 % human enemies on headshot. For CQB it has too small damage per second. Dnipro or Kharod does better job with exception of long range encounters. I never found this gun useful and rather kept M701 which at least is not such a .308 ammo glutton and can do one shot headshot kills on almost everyone.
Yeah, sounds like they did that gun dirty. They need to base guns damage off of the rounds that it fires. All guns damage should be near exactly the same as there peers that use the same ammo, some guns I can see handling that ammo differently with range/flatness/accuracy/handling/reliability/repair costs/likelihood of jamming when damaged.
The mark 1 is just a starter sniper rifle, but since Strider will hand you Lynx as part of the main quest this gun gets no real time to shine on the loner path at least. It should be buffed to have a larger mag size and higher base pen along with a reworked upgrade tree to keep it at least relevant when competing with the two Warsaw pact DMR’s.
9x18 and 9x19 smgs are similar or greater damage than some rifle rounds. The ballistics in this game make no sense. The completely backwards weapon stats hurt this game almost as much as the lack of ai and tiny draw distances.
Rest in peace EMR, they did a lot of guns dirty in this game.
I may or may not be hosting a weapon rebalance mod on nexus soon... : )
How the fuck does 9x18 do more penetration than 9x39mm's from a vs vintorez...
first time? lol. its a thing since the first stalker games to have some weapons be op and some dissapointing❤
Pretty much agree with everything you said. In terms of performance, Clusterfuck or an upgraded Vintar are pretty much just as good, and don't fire super rare and expensive ammo.
Yeah ClusterFuck should be as good as Mark1 but much cheaper, I would bump Mark 1 down in a tier list though, not being able to 1 tap humans with 308 boolet is not good in endgame fights lol
@@IcedCoffeeGaming the default weapon balance in the game is just crap - makes so many weapons subpar for the sake of progression. This thing is pretty good once you use a weapon balance mod based on ammo etc.
Mark I is better for the long distance than any assult rifle in the game. Damage stats are degrading over distance. For sniper rifles they degrade slowly, over larger distance.
@@cupotkaable which long distance though? Enemies are rendered max up to 80-90 meters or something
Not to mention you get 3 magazines through it and it's down to yellow and needs repair
always excited for new reviews
Given that its ammo is of a similar rarity to 7.62x54, the Mk.1 should be competitive with the SVu which at the moment it isn't. Definitely needs a bit of a buff to be useable late game.
For the "point of no return" stuff, the best weapon is either the Dnipro / Kharod. You will have enough ammo supply(from the enemies) and its just way better than any other weapon in this game, which is sad. I need more variety. The fact that you can use 3-4 guns endgame realiably is bad... Where is the good old weapons from the legendary trilogy? F2000M for example. Hope with DLCs more weapon upgrades and more weapons will get released. I really badly want to use the AR416(the DLC skin one) but it falls off very early in the game... But it is the best looking one. Its sad. I dont know how you guys feel, but i need more weapons... More choices for end game....
100% with your comment bro, i feel future updates will improve the quality of life, i have a small feeling the DLCs will introduce all of this, and more
I`ve tested a lot of guns in S2 and my conclusion is that devs never bothered about balnce. Same damage and penetration for pistol and rifle cartridges? Sounds reasonable.
You'd think they'd pay attention to such a core element as this even for an early access.
It's not that simple, it's same over a short range. But falls fast for pistol and SMG over distance.
Damage and penetration is not a single value but an inverted parabola over distance.
@@cupotkaable Dude, I simultaneously understand and don't understand what you're talking about. There is a result - at the moment in the game, a pistol and a rifle cartridge have almost the same damage and penetration parameters at close range. I'm not talking about dry numbers, but about the result - both a pistol and a rifle cartridge need 2 shots to kill an armored target, and I don't see this as logical, realistic or balanced. In what world do 9x19 and .308 cartridges have similar parameters and results? Yes, maybe .308 flies faster and does more damage at a greater distance, but how applicable is this in the realities of the game? That's right, not at all.
Edit: I can go on and on about the balance of weapons and calibers in this game. Note: my thoughts do not mean that I do not like the game, in fact I get a lot of pleasure from it, but these stupidities, shortcomings and outdated game design drive me crazy.
@МинасУзбек i agree with what happens over a short range. I also agree that it's awkward.
I just wanted to point out that over a long distance - Mark I is better, as it will cause more damage.
The statement that X is better than Y, should be always followed with a phrase "at short/mid/long" distance. There's no weapon that is better at any distance.
How relevant is this in the game? Not really. Very few situations, where you really need a sniper rifle or you can't deal with an assult rifle.
Most fights are short-mid range and enemies run toward you.
There was 1 side quest, where the stash was protected by a sniper and I had to shoot him over a very long distance. So I used m701. I wish there would be more locations with snipers in the game.
The game balance is really odd. Why does a full rifle cartridge have less range than some assault rifles and SMG?
NPCs disappear after 100 meter or so anyway
Ok so this rifle should be oneshot headshotting everything because the .308 round is no pushover when it comes to stopping power. With 2,820 FPS on a 150 grain bullet, and 2.7k FPS on a 165 grain bullet, the lighter bullet would deliver 2,104 footpounds of energy at 100 yards much more than is required to penetrate most body armor. Level 3+ and Level 4 at point blank range like this would empty the brain pan. I would believe it if the pistol rounds and regular intermediate ammo did nothing but not the .308.
Look man, this is a game where a 9x39 from a VSS Vintorez does WAAAAAAAY less damage than a 9x39 from a revolver, and a 5.45 does more damage based on how expensive and modern-looking the gun is. Don't use logic, it doesn't work in the Zone.
@EdTheDragonSlayer
"Don't use logic is does not work in the zone."
The fact of the matter is that when it comes to weapons, the devs are clearly clueless.
Currently no long-range weapons are worth using over an SMG or Assault rifle due to enemies just not spawning far away from you. Hopefully that gets improved with future patches.
A life open firefights can be insane at range
Yeah I pretty much replaced it with an SVU late game though that weapon also suffers from bad durability issues too.
Did the same, dont know why this mark is so bad...
I'm looking forward to your VSS Vintorez review in the same style, testing it again with those poor guys with the exosuits! 😅 No, seriously, your videos are top notch! And having the same "testing conditions" for every weapon, makes the comparison easy to understand 🤓👍
I’ve played with mark a lot before I even knew about clusterduck. And till then it was my weapon of choice, especially that full auto saved me from few bloodsuckers before I’ve got any reliable shotgun. To be fair I didn’t played too much with any UA-cam guides until I noticed game is going harder and harder. So for me that was a weapon to run with from point A to point B to feel safer. Other stuff I tried to fight with this early AK sniper thing and rest with pistol.
My review of this weapon is: I never found any ammo beyond where you can get one free early game so I never used it.
Mark 1 only one taps with AP on easiest difficulty, ironic.
I would prefer the weapon damage of easy difficulty but your fragility of veteran difficulty, that would be very good.
How is the recoil pattern w/ full auto?
it is kinda jumpy and the fire rate kinda low too, not really worth imo
It's pretty similar to semi-auto, but croshair seems to crawls even higher up. It's serviceable at short range, where you'll be using it anyways, but upgrades for full auto reduce the primary advantage this gun has, which good accuracy at distance. And it's not like full auto fire rate is higher than semi-auto in this case.
We need unique weapons reviews
You can find one for free at Army Warehouses, in Chemical Plant area.
Tried to have fun with it even the full auto fire on one of the EMRs I've got - it's OK, but becomes completely obsolete very fast: very expensive and scarce ammo, mediocre stats for a (technically) sniper rifle, not great handling and plenty of similarly good or better options.
Oh and full auto upgrade - ain't worth sacrificing range. It's not increasing gun's rpm and matching its base 400rpm is quite easy.
Yeah good luck finding 400 rounds lol
Personally i prefer "the whip" super sniper named rifle, 1 shots armoured guys with armour piercing rounds, that and tge lynx
"Trying to shoot this can dude" that was a mug.
but can I shoot a mug?
@IcedCoffeeGaming you can shoot anything in game as best i can tell. Side note, im surprised no one has made artifact bullets yet. Or anomaly grenades would be pretty cool. Just throw something that causes a whirlygig to appear in a cluster of enemies? Good times. Is anyone doing that with mods yet?
Just finished the game, I think sniper rifles are dead except Gauss, 95% combat situations are close-ranged. Dnipro is my beloved!
In my opinion this gun also fall into category: Early too expensive and scarce ammo + upkeep costs, late too ineffective against exos. Generally it is nice example of weapon "Jack of all trades, master of none" M701 or its cavalier version does much better job and it can one shot kill 99 % human enemies on headshot. For CQB it has too small damage per second. Dnipro or Kharod does better job with exception of long range encounters. I never found this gun useful and rather kept M701 which at least is not such a .308 ammo glutton and can do one shot headshot kills on almost everyone.
Yeah, sounds like they did that gun dirty.
They need to base guns damage off of the rounds that it fires.
All guns damage should be near exactly the same as there peers that use the same ammo, some guns I can see handling that ammo differently with range/flatness/accuracy/handling/reliability/repair costs/likelihood of jamming when damaged.
The mark 1 is just a starter sniper rifle, but since Strider will hand you Lynx as part of the main quest this gun gets no real time to shine on the loner path at least. It should be buffed to have a larger mag size and higher base pen along with a reworked upgrade tree to keep it at least relevant when competing with the two Warsaw pact DMR’s.
it does have an extended mag upgrade the brings it up to 20 rounds. you can find it at the Duga.
you get the lynx regardless of which faction you side with
Buket s2 time
9x18 and 9x19 smgs are similar or greater damage than some rifle rounds. The ballistics in this game make no sense. The completely backwards weapon stats hurt this game almost as much as the lack of ai and tiny draw distances.
Finally…
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You don't want to go full auto with an M14? Are you even American?