How Doctor Who's Missing Episodes Came Back [Part 2]
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2021
- Now that the BBCs archive have been inspected, what episodes lie within Film Collectors? How did lost classics like The Web of Fear, The Tomb of the Cybermen and The War Machines return to the archive?
This is the second in a three part series, which is a spiritual successor to my Missing Episodes documentary series.
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Ok, I think I speak on behalf of all Who fans (without sounding like that Maxill guy with the bird on his head) it's getting beyond weird Josh isn't being hired to do documentaries for DVD or other releases.
WHY? Because from a pure viewer POV his editing, presentation and delivery is exactly what fits documentaries and a relaxed style that makes everyone feel welcome fan or newbie (whatever the subject).
IDEA FOR FUTURE: Videos on lost movies of the silent era from Lon Chaney, Hitchcock and others. Different but sadly similar in that the lost films are prcicelss and will NEVER be recovered. In the case of these? Copying film was impossible because the stock was expensive or degraded so quickly.
IN CLOSING As I was saying to Kirsty Skye on her live stream, as with her, I have been inspired to start doing UA-cam again. After mental illness, personal issues and chronic addiction that could've killed me before the end of 2020 I am kept going in part to the work of people like Josh.
As for your friend who took his life? He's still alive through the grace and magic you bring to your's. You honour him and make his life not one cut short by sadness but one immortal by the love you remember him with. Peace.
ANONYMOUS not ANOMYNOUS.
Other than that, good work.
Digital Betacam isn’t like VHS at all. DB is a broadcast quality format. VHS isn’t.
Great video! Was definitely worth the wait! Keep up the great content my friend!
@@sampiruzza4684 Piruzza? PIZZA? Josh's videos aren't UA-cam videos. They're proper documentaries that are way too good for us plebs. They're so good.
You can only get this level of quality from someone who has a passion for instilling that level of investment into the end results.
I personally can't wait for Part 4 of this Series, where Josh talks about how he recovered the last 97 missing eps of Doctor Who.
Well thats going to be impossible
'Cause some episodes are gone forever
But we don't know which one
Only The Dalek's Master Plan Episode 7 is certain to be lost forever
That’s impossible cause some may never be found but audio only of some have been found and the episodes of those audio have been reconstructed by animation which I’m not a big fan of cause I would have liked to to see the episodes just like my parents would have if they watched the show back in the 60’s
Yes, celebrities like Bob Monkhouse can't have been the only ones to have had home recording facilities back in the 1960s.
Alas, our Bob was not a Doctor Who fan!
@@Polavianus unless it was telerecorded by someone. Doubtful but I live in hope.
"There will always be 106 Doctor Who episodes missing". And yes you can quote me on that. 🤔
"It remains a mystery of the unknown."
HE DID THE THING!
😂
Haha, I loved that!
In 2006 there was a segment on blue Peter where they asked anyone who had old film reels of missing doctor who episodes to send them to the BBC for them to add it to their archives and apparently if you did send them missing film reels, they will give you in return a life-size dalek
'Blue Peter' is the reason that episode 4 of 'The Tenth Planet', William Hartnell's final 'proper' appearance on Doctor Who, no longer exists. Occasionally, the show would have features on Doctor Who, to promote a new series, or new Doctor, and episode 4 was borrowed to show, presumably, the regeneration clip, sometime in the 1970's. After use on the show... it was never returned, or seen again.
brianartillery That's not actually true, Brian!
@@brianartillery I suppose they might have kept it if Blue Peter hadn't used it, but at least they saved the final clip.
Every time you mention Bruce Campbell I imagine THE Bruce Campbell as Ash busting into a film archive, finding an episode and going ... "Groovy"...
😂😂
That's a startling, but lovely mental image. 👍
If an episode from a completely different show was mislabelled as Fury From The Deep episode 6, then theoretically, a Doctor Who episode could very well exist somewhere in a film can that was also mislabelled as being from another show.
Just something worth thinking about.
I always think about that 😂
@@JoshSnares Isn't that what happened with the pilot episode of An Unearthly Child?
An episode of Adam Adamant Lives was found that way in 2003.Stars Patrick Troughton in his last pre Who role
What struck me was the amount of times the cans were kept because the station didn't want to pay the postage to ship it on, or where it was sent to the wrong station. Research initially focussed around the known stations who should have been next in line to receive the print, but where 'human error' steps in we need to look at other possibilities. I often think that although Nigeria were very helpful and Paul Vanezis researched one station to find that the warehouse had been obliterated, there is a possibility that neighbouring countries might have shared resources.
They sure did a lot of "exhaustive" searches
This whole series is honestly so well made, and it surprises me that no professional documentary producers have contacted you to make anything.
Agreed
Well, he has done a documentary on the doctor who UA-cam channel for mission to the unknown, so that’s something, at least.
Perhaps they are overly fastidious about pronunciation of words like abominable and anonymous?
The doco is really well constructed. Thank you.
Whoever has ep 3 of Web is NOT a true Who fan! They're a dang hoarder!!! If I had ANY missing Who, I'd insure it was returned to the BBC so they could put it on DVD/Blu Ray, I wouldn't B a total Gollum with it! >___
I'd be all in favor of the BBC just getting a hit man or a member of MI6 to just go and take the episode from whoever has it, and if he tries to stop them to just shoot the bugger and be done with it.
The BBC are a branch of the UK government after all so I'm sure that they could get away with it....
Granted they'd have to put it under the Official Secrets Act or lay it into some fall guy (eg perhaps an unpopular member of the BBC staff) or something, but at least we'd have our episode(s) if ALL stingy collectors were dealt with in the same manner.
Of course if collectors give the BBC (or indeed any other film archive) then everyone is happy and collectors would get to live another day.
Happy Times and Places!
@@christopherlockery9629 bit far fetched
I agree if they wanted the episode bad enough they should have made a copy to be left with the other episodes found or for their collection but had the episode left to be returned either way
Imagine hoarding episode three as the DVD came out and being like, “yes. This was an ethical decision.”
I had heard that it was being 'held hostage' until enough money could be coughed up for the person, (and I can't help thinking of the term 'Nigerian Prince', eg., conman, here), to release it. It was obviously a staff member there who knew, probably from e-mails and chat, that it was a rare item that had a monetary value. Episode 3 was probably removed, as taking episode one would have been immediately obvious, and the thief was probably hoping that the cans wouldn't be checked until he was well clear. Alas, episode 3 is our first meeting with (then) Colonel Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart. All we see of him in the previous episode is The Doctor's P.O.V. of his boots.
But Josh, I KNOW how my DVDs got there! I paid outrageous prices for them!
Ya got me, gal!
Goodness me... how much did you pay for them? Did you get scalped?
@@Alpha-oo8 Probably bought the NTSC DVD's. Those things are more expensive, and they've been going out of print.
The delivery of the film can in the pizza box made me spit out my tea!!
😂😂
A 14" celluloid with double metal crust, yummy.
As a long-time resident of Hong Kong (and all-around lover of Hong Kong), it makes me immensely proud that ATV returned Tomb of the Cybermen. (May ATV rest in peace.)
Love Hong Kong! Especially since they returned one of the best stories ever (imo!)
ATV was one of the most Iconic channels in Hong Kong a shock it got folded. I have a funny feeling TVB may have some Who episodes in their archive.
HK was awesome until the CCP destroyed it.
I think whichever way you look at it, we fans of Doctor Who all owe Ian Levine a huge debt of gratitude.
Thank you Ian!
BTW, anyone who has a Missing Episode, and selfishly keeps it a secret, is NOT a "Doctor Who Fan". Facts.
Well no, they're usually a film collector. You don't have to be both.
@@ABC12380564 this, just cuz u have a print doesn't mean your a fan, and even then, its possible person isn't aware their episode is missing, this could be that they have it confused with another, or they believe it was returned when it was just animated
imagine if web of fear 3 comes back the second this series ends
if it does then philip morris probably has it in for you - like he does most people
Imagine it comes back right after they release the animation
@@ishaandw imagine if the animation is an April fools joke & it actually has episode 3
@@BH-98 that’s what I was thinking
Lost my father a few days ago and some of my more enjoyable times spent with him was watching Dr Who together during the Tennant and Matt Smith eras sitting in his den with the fireplace going watching our favorite episodes with me and his grandkids. Love you dad.
These returned episode stories are absolutely mind-boggling! A truly worthy sequel series, Mr Snares!
Hi. Anybody else here, because they couldn't wait a week for the next episode to come out😅?
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@richard martin Students at the University of Lancaster recreated the episode in 2018.
More than anything, I am thankful to those people who went out of their way to record the audio of the episodes. Back then it must have been such a hassle to do so, but because of it we've got at least some record of every single episode. Furthermore, the fact that they are now being put to animation allows us to have some form of completeness to our collection. I dream of the day when I can line up my complete Blu-ray collection of classic who from season 1 to season 26 (and hopefully they do New Who in the same format, but I doubt it). Even if some of the episodes are animated, or even compiled from telesnaps like Loose Canon's reconstructions, it is still a record of an amazing show that has entertained millions for over half a century.
There's amazing stories of kids recording them next to the TV with tape recorders then playing them in the playground and being super hyped and discussing and recapping in the playground. Whovians are amazing ❤
If humanity ever discovers actual time travel, sending a probe into the past to record all the missing episodes as they are transmitted should be priority #1.
Maybe that's the reason they're missing...
I hate to be a Debbie Downer but I just can't help but wonder how much longer we'll be getting Missing Episodes. That being said, love these stories of them getting found! These videos are great
I'd say we have 10-20 years left of possible time, I'd assume most missing episodes if existing are probably stored unethically and will become damaged and lost forever if found in 40+ years. It's confirmed that private collectors have at least 6 missing episodes right now in circulation, they'll eventually make their ways back and I expect one last random haul to be brought back from a country and that's about it. Might get down to 80
I’d check to see if missing episodes are in the attic, but my parents won’t allow me up there.
@Paul Perkins oh they have illegal copies of every missing episode (I wish)
"Crikey! It's episode 4 of the Celestial Toymaker!"
Cut to Steve Irwin wrangling a huge BBC film can.
I absolutely live for your uploads! Bloody brilliant. Thank you Josh.
I am surprised by how many of the returns - especially the later ones - came about by complete coincidence. Ralph Montague happened to chat about film collecting, Terry Burnett happened to be there and left his jacket behind. And then through that sequence of events, two missing episodes are returned.
Why do people think "hmm, a missing episode of a *very* popular TV show! I will now steal this and deny it ever happening. Bye!"
The answer is simple: use the Tardis to travel back in time and save the original films before they get wiped . . .
Save the DuPont Network shows too!
Been way too busy with exams, but finally found the time to watch this. Couldn't wait to get around to it!
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If we just had a time machine we could go back to find the missing episodes lol.
I'm building one now. First gotta find my Sonic screwdriver. Its around here somewhere. Probably hiding under all my 16mm tapes. I really do need to clean this bombshelter up.🤪
Yes, it’s just a shame we haven’t got any time machines handy...
if you had a time machine you could go back to when they where being aired and record them onto a hard drive as they where being broadcast
@@TARDISINFLIGHT Eh broastcast quality was potato, better than nothing I guess but we really want the film.
That's the first think I would do
Amazing work...your presentation of the behind the scenes of the findings and the wheeling and dealing are top notch! Can not wait for the next installment
I've always wanted to know more about these discoveries. So glad I finally have a source for these stories all in one place. Well done!
God that part with the rumours that went around got me excited, thank god I can’t remember that happening as I would’ve lost my mind! Great video!
Absolutely loving this series! Well done, Josh! Sending love from Austin, Texas!
The amount of research you do is amazing. Excellent work!
I was looking into this. Perfect timing.
I am enjoying this greatly!!! I remember so many of theses stories in dr who magazine back in the day and this is what got me into the 60s doctor who so much. this has been wonderfully nostalgic. thank you!
I always appreciate the high quality of work that I've come to expect from you. The fivewhofans audio cameo was a fun bonus.
Magnificent! Thank you, Josh!
Going to watch this right now! Awesome. You’re the best, Josh. Take care, keep well, and have fun. 😃😊
Fantastic as always. Loved this series so far, in fact I'm gonna go and pay to watch the other one now!
Really enjoying this series. Thanks. Well produced. Having lived through some of the recoveries in the 80s when I first became a fan we never really knew the extent of what was happening behind the scenes to bring these treasures back.
Great video, Josh! I love all those high quality 1960s photos you've used 😍😍😍
Really incredible quality to these. Amazing work.
Just discovered your channel and I have to say I'm really surprised by the great production value, research and presentation. Thank you for the amazing content you provide! :)
Fantastic professional overview of lost episodes. Many thanks
Still hopeful that others will be recovered, although grateful for animations for currently missing ones.
Love the Hartnell vibes with the outfit, too!
Just WOW man. This video is how I found your channel and now I'm going back through watching all your stuff. You put so much effort into your videos even down to finding the highest quality footage/media for your B roll. There's UA-camrs with 100s of thousands of subscribers who don't put as much effort into their videos as you.
You have 100% earned a subscriber.
(ps im from New Zealand and I use the website Zavvi for my Classic Doctor Who Blu Rays they usually come in good condition and it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg to get it to wear we live. Keep up the awesome work!)
What an incredible story!!! Awesome video (I've literally been counting the days for this!) :D
Josh, your videos are incredible. They are so well written and put together and you’re a great presenter. I always learn something new. The idea that episodes were accidentally junked in the 80s is heart breaking! Thanks for doing what you do!
Awesome Part II has arrived. Now time to get my Dr. Who education on. Love these videos because I learn so much quickly. A great help for someone who has always been intrigued by this series, but never dipped my toe into it. Definitely helps on where to start when it comes to “Classic Who”.
I've really enjoyed this series of videos you're doing even more than your previous ones! Somehow you get better and better at your presentations despite my thinking that each video as I watch it is professional quality and cannot be topped. I could easily see one of your videos belonging on a DVD or Blu-Ray release as a special feature. Please keep up the great work and know you're very much appreciated! Lots of love & respect, -Talia in Houston, TX USA
Just watching this.. it INFURIATES me how people could selfishly hold onto missing episodes for personal reasons and trade missing episodes with other people.. but im extremely thankful they were finally returned.
Another winner! Great video as usual 👍
Love your positivity! Wonderful production values, new heights! Fantastic distillation of a vast and complicated history and into a beautiful, digestible piece. Simply. Amazing.
Your documentaries are so informative, interesting and well-edited! Great job once again! 👍
Makes you wonder if Ian Levine has anymore episodes he hasn’t returned yet
Indeed it does.
Mark my words - when he dies some missing episodes will 'coincidentally' show up not long after
@@dannylavery No. I think Ian wanted to hold on to the stories for bargaining power but by now would have returned all he had access to.
@@dannylavery If he dies.
Loving your work. This is essential viewing for any Classic Doctor Who aficionado. Thank you.
Thank you for uploading so fast!
This is one of my favourite series on UA-cam and I liked that mysteries of the unexplained reference
Massive classic doctor who fan! Love your channel and videos you’re literally one of my favourite UA-camrs
This video series is so fascinating. Another great video Josh!
Great stuff Josh, thank you!
Great video!! We are fortunate to have what we have. We are also EXTREMELY fortunate to have audio recordings of missing episodes and their accompanying tele snaps. Philip Morris has done an incredible job as our archaeologist and we should be grateful for him!
Josh, we love you.
Thanks for telling this complicate tale so clearly and eloquently, including the darker Ian Levine elements. (Well done on your choice of photos when referring to said Collector)
Excellent production value on this!! I’ve learned so much from these videos, and I’m quite excited for next week! (and it was great seeing some friends make cameos at the end!)
26:14 DigiBeta was a professional format, one of the best of the later days of Standard Definition broadcasting. A far cry from consumer VHS. :)
Thank you for another great video. Extremely well produced, as always!
Really concise and glossy presentation. Thanks again Josh! Riveting stuff!
Another great segment! Fantastic!
Brilliant as usual Josh! Can't wait for the Pertwee episode. I hope that this will get to those who have copies of missing episodes and help them to be restored.
Absolutely looking forward to more videos on the missing episodes! Love ya content and what you do.
absolutely love this video, well done Josh, can't thank you enough for all the research, hard work and dedication you have put into this, as all of this is very interesting to know how the episodes came back, and your right, no dr who fan has any right to be disappointed about whats still missing, be thankful for the ones that were found and returned eventually, cant wait until your next video, keep up the good work!
I'm sure I watched all these before and enjoyed them, but I didn't give them a thumbs up! So I am having a watch (rewatch?) now and am enjoying them so much. You put them together really well!
Josh, again - amazing. The high quality of your research and production is to your credit. I have never seen a bad Josh Snares Dr Who documentary.
I really enjoyed this, thank you !
Your knowledge and investigation into these lost episodes is amazing 😎 Thank you
I think every Doctor Who fan should be watching your videos, the work you put into them is amazing , and nobody knows missing episodes better than you
Part 2. Fantastic work Josh. Roll on Part 3:
amazing video!!!!! so well made
What's not to love about this chanel, much love from England keep up the amazing work josh
What kills my soul is that I VCR'd dozens and dozens of episodes of Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee, and I swear some of these missing episodes were in that mix. I felt like DW was a dying hobby at the time, so I (SHOOT ME) recorded over the material.
Great information yet again. I've read things where a few people claim they know people with missing episodes out there but they won't come forward, some scared of what people will think. All I'll say to that is anyone who has them, I don't care about your reasons and won't ask why, just would love to see more
Really love your channel. Great work!
Well done. Thanks for this.
Well done Josh. Informative as ever.
Really enjoying these. It's both a reminder of what we now take for granted, but also how these missing instalments provided a lot of the mystique around the show for younger audiences (like myself). When I was in the DWAS in the mid-1980's (when the newsletter was still photocopied) it was like being an early adopter of punk or something. The show itself was playing to a mainstream BBC 1 audience, like today, but all the inspiration and creativity that now goes into podcasts and audio/visual dramas seemed to be spent on producing fanzines and get-togethers. I suppose we all discover our own tribe.
Great history lesson again, love the channel and all your hard work with research. Stay safe and keep up the amazing content 😁
Great stuff!
KEEP IT GOING!!
ive been look foreward to this!
Another excellent, entertaining and educational entry in the series, can't wait for the next episode :)
Normally I complain about mid rolls, but a video of this quality deserves all the ad rev it can get. Another superb insight on missing episodes, Mr. Snares. Was absolutely heartbroken to hear about those prints returned in the early 80s that were destroyed despite those employees being told NOT TO!!!
Miss Ezeokoli, you're my personal hero. You saved two of my all time top 10 Doctor Who stories!
Absolutely fascinating story. Wonderfully well researched and presented
Again, another great video!
Another informative and most interesting video, Josh! Thank you! :-)
If your missing episode documentaries don't make it on the Blu-ray collection boxsets I'm so boycotting!
Brilliant video once again.
The pic of Troughton as the examiner :D Great work Josh!
I was FAR too happy with that joke 😂
@@JoshSnares it was certainly clever! 😂
Great documentary and accurate 👏 looking forward to the next edition 👍
Wow, great work as always
I honestly think this is one of the best things you've released so far-it looks and feels so professional and is presented in a style that helps the viewer to take in the information. Thanks for the rest content!
It seems I put rest instead of great and /or best now sure what I was after tbh lol
This raises the question: How many missing episodes is Ian still holding onto?
Surely none. I think other collectors would have stuff, not Ian
@@JoshSnares It also raises the question: Why do you pronounce it anomynous?
Saying it again, your videos are awesome. Awesome.