This video really hits home on how different some people's perceptions can be based on their type. Listening to Lauren talk about the eventual discovery of the negative inner monologue, my reaction was basically "Wow, this is a surprise?" Not that my inner monologue is always negative, but that level of instinctual judgment and self-reflection...that's where I live. It astounds me how oblivious some people can be to the darkness that exists inside people, that's something that I've naturally accepted since at least the age of 17 or so and am completely comfortable with. It's just a part of what it is to be human. I'm sleep first, so there you go.
Reminds me of the time I helped edit a friend's paper. We faced the screen to read a passage she needed to review, but I couldn't focus because she read it out loud over my shoulder, processing as she read. When I asked her to use her "inner voice" she whispered it instead.
i’m sleep second and wow i will never stop being taken aback by the fact that there are people out there who don’t hear their inner voice 24/7. she sees the inner monologue/the chicken voice like a modern discovery. we been knew sis!! i wish we didn’t, but we BEEN knew
You should hear the inside of a Sleep laster. We have our voices, your voices, our mom's voice, random celebrities' voices, etc. The modern discovery is when we can organize them down to only two
@@dylonias as a lead consumer i spent the whole morning watching their videos and as I was taking a shower I started to analyze myself through their voices... Is that sleep second, third or fourth... I'm lost
I have no “voice” in my head. No words, nothing. If I had to use an analogy for how I think it would be kind of like color, or music. I’ve described it as less a conversation but rather a maze (or a mine, really). I get imagery and symbols rather than words. Hell, even trying to IMAGINE what it would be like to have an inner monologue I “see” the words, not hear them.
Oof. That Bumblebee skit at the end really hits home. That's exactly what my inner dialogue is like many nights trying to get to sleep. It's like turning on 6 TVs at once with different shows on playing at different speeds and volume levels. Those "shows" are the events of the day and/or memories. The "channels" also change at random. The shows can be positive or negative, but more often negative. I have to use mindfulness tricks to find peace in the sea of noise. Counting my breaths backwards from 10,000 does the trick every time. I almost never get past the 9900s before I get knocked out. I picked that up from the Headspace app's Sleep section. Other things that help: Meditation 2x a day. Laughing a lot during the day (watching comedy or banter with others). An intense work out to burn off excess energy and be tired. No consumption of interesting information while in bed. No talking in bed. No conversation in bed. Taking time to NOT overload my brain with information throughout the day because it's easy for me to shut off "tired". And many more things. I'm FF Ni/Te BP/C(S) for anyone wondering. It's like being a bullet train with no brakes built-in. You gotta build them yourself.
What’s worse is I self analyze and use it to connect to other people and their situation,literally how I understand it but to some people they interpret it as making it all about me.
No! It just sounds like a low key way finding meaning and personal value through self reflecting of past emotions. Maybe that's just my Si+Fe blast way of looking at it but from the way you describe sounds like CS. Kinda how in Rick and Morty, when Rick become detoxified he became very CS to his emotions and he was happier for it until he got a distress signal from his BP half that become self aware and sentient.
I know the feeling.... I never used to be like this, I don’t think, or at least I wasn’t aware of it until I noticed other people don’t do this kind of thing. I grew up with it-my whole family are “verbal processors,” lol.
a h THIS. To be brutally honest, I don't really know how else to make people feel heard (though ironically, it might come off as the opposite 😬) and establish that kinship.
Tbat explains why i always had and have aversion to go to bed. I cab think of a million things i need to do first, but then I'm tired in tbe morning. My sleep cycle is messed up. Good to finally know where this is coming from 🤣
I don't have an internal dialog most of the time (or at least I'm not conscious of it). When I need to process and try to understand myself I need to talk it out as if I'm blasting/playing. I would imagine that someone has asked me a question and I'd answer while processing my thoughts.
ENFP.... so all my composition teaching over focuses on organization of your essay. (my demons) But it's interesting cause the "easy" part for me is gathering ideas, bur I get caught off guard continually by students who "have no idea what they want to write." So I wonder if as a teacher you need to be mindful that you might be over teaching your demons and under teaching your saviors.
Wow that is such a good statement and i relate a lot to your style of not knowing how people dont have ideas. We gotta teach appropriate to the kids weaknesses and be ware they may and more than likely are different than ours
I’m an ENFP student in high school who is obsessed with OP, and my personal hot take is that the thing school has taught me the most is not even correlated with subject matter. It’s how different the learning process is for everyone, and how teachers rarely ever look outside themselves and acknowledge that. I’ve actually found the opposite of you; the way I’ve seen it, it’s often a trend that so many teachers teach by what works for them- their Saviors. They put their Saviors on a pedestal and encourage every student to learn and grow using those functions. Sometimes teachers even shove students into boxes with those functions and get angry at students who don’t catch on. I’ve found that it’s the reason why there are teachers that a handful of students like, but that a lot of the class struggles to understand. All of it fascinates me as a student because I see it happen again and again and I’ve started to be able to track it. I have tons of stories and I could be here all day to tell them all, and I have two more years in high school so I’m sure I’ll have even more stories to tell later on. I do think that there are some teachers who see beyond that and they end up doing the opposite. They teach in the areas where they find the most difficulty- their Demons- because they understand the struggle and almost seem to assume everyone struggles in the same areas. More often than not, though, I see teachers try to look at those Demons through a lens of indifference, or even rebellion. They’ll say, “Well, struggling with this kind of thing is actually a strength, and let me tell you why.” (Insert monologue about trusting your Saviors instead of your Demons because your Saviors are actually super cool and they make you special.) In my experience, it’s been hard for me to find a teacher who can teach outside of their Saviors. It’s been even harder for me to find one that teaches in a way that’s so well-rounded, it benefits everyone. Perhaps I’ve just had an unusual amount of very bad teachers, or maybe there’s a lot I’m overlooking and I’m wrong about a lot of this. Though either way, I find it interesting how OP ties into teaching. It’s usually very easy for me to type teachers, because the things they advertise to students the most are often their Saviors, and the things that push them out of their comfort zone while teaching are often their Demons. I should probably spend more time studying lessons, but I spend a ton of class time studying my teachers instead. All of it is why I’m fascinated by the idea of working as a teacher someday; I yearn to tie OP into a class environment that tailors itself to multiple functions and that intentionally involves the use of all four animals. It sounds like such a huge task, but I want to see it happen so badly! I’ve even started forming mock lesson plans to try and figure out how to make it work! Teaching’s a hard job, and it’s even harder to do well, but I feel like if I put in the work someday, it could be such an inspiring position that gives me more and more to learn and refine every single day. Or perhaps that’s just the lead Consume talking. :))
Wow, this makes me wonder if there's any correlation between Sleep last and mental conditions that involve detachment from the self, externalized internal dialogue, and fractured sense of identity -- like schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder. 🤔
I have CPTSD with secondary (bordering on tertiary) dissociation degree. I have some features of OSDD, but not enough to warrant a diagnosis. I never developed a proper inner voice as a child. I don't know if it's related to the abuse, or if it's more because of my ADHD/learning disabilities. In a way, the fracturing of my identity kind of... kept me from ever fully consolidating my own internal experience? I have always felt detached from my emotions and who I am. Never quite made the connection. There must be. Good catch.
So someone who basically has a lot of energy, is very active in terms of interacting with the outside world in terms of talking and doing things and doesn't necessarily take a moment to stop and think about what they're really thinking, is someone who has Sleep last
I thought it was more so to do about inner reflection. If you're sleep last it seems the outer world, and the things that are more tangible draw your attention. I'm sleep first. I literally could be content sitting on a lake or a beach for hours observing the horizon, reflecting on life. It depends on the energy consumption though. A sleep last can crash hard, just like a sleep first can play hard. It's just not very often
I love these videos and this hits home. (Since I'm so convinced, and we know the statistics, clearly I only imagine it hits home.) It's hilarious how I've always wanted to be on the introvert side but I'm probably far more energetic than most people I know... though of course exhausted by it. I hate it so much and hate myself for how intense I can be sometimes, but I still love and employ how productive I can be because of it. So hard to give up my thoughts and go to sleep, though. I must always be *doing* something.
me too. when did you start to realise that you should make more effort to track your inner dialogue? Mine is sort of buzzing all the time but it takes real work to pause and look at them objectively. I used to just let them boil over into an emotional mess, which I'll Te and move on - rinse, repeat.
Mori W i describe my thoughts as a billion pieces of paper floating around a room with a fan on high. I am in the middle of the room trying to catch them. If i want to filter my thoughts i have to go in the room and catch some of those papers and see which ones i want to get rid of. It is boring and slow going but its necessary if i ever want to catch the ones i want to catch
I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh in middle school. During the week, I'd duel my friends, come up with new combos, and prepare for Saturday at the bookstore. In the two hours every Duelist League, I'd buy packs, trade cards, start up enormous free-for-all battles where everyone contributed to the pot and winner took all, and walk away with a field of new information. Then, every Saturday night, I'd put on [adult swim] anime and reorganize my deck with what I'd learned. This is the life of a Sleep last. Constantly moving, taking in new ideas and opportunities, and fitting them into a "better" reflection of our mission. The proportion favors Gather over Organize, and often Tribe over Self. Life can toss us around and get us thinking we should be concerned with things irrelevant to our core. We feel responsible for "trying them out," hungry to make our endgame all the more complex. Especially when our savior letters get roped in. As I've said before, the trick is more than organizing your life. You have to own your Organized Self and live it outloud. I'm not there yet, but I've never forgotten the 14 year old who dominated Duelist League because he themed his deck exclusively around one type of monster.
I'm alright with Sleep energy - I like to keep it balanced with more extraverted energies, with a dichotomy I like to call "Performed Identity versus Personal Identity". Performed Identity is kind of a Hegelian thing, where "by their fruits you will know them", or an identity formed by reflection from others - this is the "you" that others see. The "Personal Identity" is a truth of self based on criteria by self. It is accordingly separate from Performed Identity. I like to keep the two on tap for the sake of perspective on things, but I take slightly more stock in Performed Identity, as that is a measure of my impact on the world.
Wow! That's a very fascinating way of looking at it. I can't say I have given that aspect too much thought. I often carry myself more so as a symbol. When I'm in the presence of people it's like I display who "I think I am," as I haven't fully processed the entirety of who I should be. It's as if I have a model of my future self, who I just carry forth day to day. Knowing that other aspects of my identity are malleable, such as the car I drive or the clothes I wear, I try and view it all as integral in character;The virtue of characteristics. Our Identity seems more complex than we give credit. We have roughly 37trillion cells that are contain within us, mix that with how we were nutured, our life experience, tailored to our own personal uniqueness, the clothes I wear, the way I act. Whether I like it or not, if my belt or leather boots were polished 15% better when meeting new people, my perceived identification could be different. I liked what I heard a few days ago; You are known by your energy, even before you speak to someone. There's an absolutely fascinating complexity to human beings! Even at the end of the day, my identity can still be skewed by the observers perception anyways. I also like a traditional Japanese way of looking at identity of oneself. "You wear three masks, one to those you don't know, (the general public) the second to your close friends and family, and the third mask is what you wear when no one sees you. That is really cool you have a good balance of sleep. I'm working on play/blast more. I can be too held down by thoughts and reflection. (Being stuck in my own head.) But the fact you have a good understanding of balancing your perceived identity with your performed identity seems to make for a healthy lifestyle. Being introspective as well as productive :D
@DaveSuperPowers Please man, Come on. Destroy completely the EJ stereotype with the Play Last EJ Video. You Deffinitely are my favorite MBTI UA-camr and i consider your System the most objective one, I want to see all those Noobs from 16 personalities.com and MBTI Database completely baffled when they see that the EJ is not always the stereotype of the ever-moving Businessman.
I learn one thing.. For those not facing the chicken voice, can be really dangerous. As they can easily repeat makes in the exact same manner and hurt themselves again. Only to wine about it, blame on everyone for their own responsibilities and not see where they mess up. When all the self pity end, the toxic habit start to repeat again. O.O yucks
Dave could you make a video about Play Last EJs? this would break most of EJs stereotypes out there due to the stereotype being based completely from This video or in other words Play First-Sleep last EJs.
Wow.. How.. how do people not know what they are thinking? How!!! Here I am at 6am from trying to figure this out... going to take so so much more time to comprehend how does the world live like that... o.o
I compulsively talk out my inner dialogue. I yell at my own voice in my head when it says something I don’t like. As an ENFP with Sleep second (I believe) I quite normally take my internal world and project it outwards into the air. There doesn’t have to be a person there to hear it. In fact, better if there isn’t. I just put a voice to all of the dialogue in my mind, and when something comes up that I don’t approve of or that I know will hold be back, I fix it and try to create a better line of dialogue instead. My parents hear me talking out my thoughts and values a mile a minute from outside of the rooms I’m in, and they probably wonder if I’m okay for spitting my morals at the nearest wall 24/7 😂
Yea, I need meds to sleep. When I lay down my brain starts going a mile a minute replaying and processing the day which is helpful but not the most opportune time. Otherwise I need to feed my ravenous appetite for knowledge or sharpen my acuity with games or other taxing mental tasks. Silence is highly unpleasant.
Micah Miranda I have that problem and usually just end up staying up watching videos until I can’t stay up any longer, eventually drifting off. I am not official diagnosed with insomnia, but I would argue having an inconsistent sleep schedule is better than having to rely on meds!
@@LemonMeIon yea meds have a negative connotation because of their stigma but I view it as an enhancement. Doctors say that sleep hygiene is important to a healthy lifestyle. I would agree as I feel more rested now than ever which has effected my life universally.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I haven't. I stick with what's doctor recommended but if it works, it works. Different things work for different people. Just be aware that anything without FDA regulation isn't guaranteed to have equal quality and some medications conflict. I'm sure you've done your research, I'm just saying just in case.
I guess there are different ways to label inner voices e.g. inner critic, cheerleader, inner parent, child etc. SF -- SiFi- valuing something in the concrete/tangible world- processing your values and how it is aligning with current and past experience/personal experience? NF -- NiFi- valuing something in the abstract (like concepts, ideas)- or reflective of identity and values and whether your Ni world views/patterns also align with this? ST -- SiTi- own reasons/what makes sense to me/figuring things out in the concrete/tangible world- processing your reasons or internal logic and how it aligns with your current experience and past experience? NT --NiTi- own reasons/figuring things out in the abstract world- or reflective of own reasons and logic and whether they are consistent with your Ni patterns? What do you guys make of this? I'm wondering if anyone has insights on the different kinds of sleep and masculine vs feminine sleep which I get confused on. I'm guessing saviour sleep is more acceptance of the inner world/one's own experience, paying attention to it more and naturally. Perhaps being more comfortable with one's self and naturally more self-reflective? I feel like play is reactive and sleep is 'proactive' in that it's not reactive to the changing environment or slower to react/update/incorporate changes- so sleep is more timeless/long-lasting Would e.g. double masculine sleep be more solid in terms of one's identity/inner world?
I’m almost envious though. At least the sleep last people get stuff done in the world. You know? They’re not being dragged down by this laziness and they have less trouble interacting with the tribe.
There are different kinds of sleep energy though. Someone can be quiet and have a constant background of a core belief running underneath that quietness. Another quiet person may be functioning in a blank/zero state. Nothing running in the background. A subtle difference. But very different personalities will come out of it. Babies are born with energy patterns but not with any belief. An interesting question to ask would be, could a particular biological energy pattern be more susceptible to picking up certain belief systems over others? And 2ndly, Core beliefs(influence savior and demons) can keep changing for some people throughout their lives. in that case, would that change their energy stack?
Interesting. Her Sleep recognizes the internal voices as dualistic and high/low. Mine feels like one entity wearing different hats. Bet that reflects our savior Decider.
I pride myself on helping a couple of friends really "find their purpose." They have actually come to me and told me that I have changed their lives, which really was more of the result of me being in the process of changing my life and just blasting all the info that I had learned. I also have an IG where the purpose of it is using Jung's principles to "set a routine," "get in touch with your purpose," etc. I finally feel like I am in touch with them, but damn committing to them every day is the fucking hard part. At least I know now not to let go of that red balloon, no matter how hard it gets, because I'm heading in the right direction (I think).
Love you guys!!! Could y’al do a video on the Ni-Ti loop, and maybe how early life trauma (chronic) can skew how types express themselves (i.e. using attributes from their demons as defense mechanisms, or some other skew)?
Yes! I have such a hard time typing my husband and I can only guess that it's because he had a hard-as-hell childhood. It's like there's distortions in his system that mess with who his most basic self is. (Either that or I really just can't get a handle on all this OPT stuff.)
You want to train the functions to be constructive... you do that by learning how to think and how to forgive yourself... I do this by payinh attentuon to my thought patterns and quietly observing and not reacting to the judgements I dont believe is helpful... also meditating will help let got of the energetic fuel that supports the intensity of this prosess
I have several journals where I have written thoughts and opinions. Just started diving deeper into this subject, are they a good source for typing myself?
So, I think I may have sleep as a third or second, I'm also very in tune to what I'm talking about with myself, is it on third because we have to train harder on what we're flimsy or on second because now it comes kind of naturally??
I love your videos, they're so interesting and I'm learning so much! I was just watching a Jazza video and was wondering, have you ever typed him? Just thought he'd be such an interesting person to analyse xD
I've noticed all Dave and Shan's examples are of winners getting in touch with some of their weaknesses and then fixing them. I'd like to see losers become winners using this approach. I bet there are no examples. All that's happening is that the winners have the money and the contacts and the helpers to be able to solve the weaknesses. It's much easier for a rich person with money and contacts to fix a problem than it is for a poor person with no money and contacts to fix a problem. Of course, this is a problem with where they are taking their samples. They are picking successful people on the internet and saying, "See, the solution is to balance your weaknesses, then everyone will live happily ever after." Furthermore, I'm not convinced about the discoveries. I don't believe these noisy Play people are really insightful. They just tell you how noisy Play people become "successful" according to society's ignorant values.
This video really hits home on how different some people's perceptions can be based on their type. Listening to Lauren talk about the eventual discovery of the negative inner monologue, my reaction was basically "Wow, this is a surprise?" Not that my inner monologue is always negative, but that level of instinctual judgment and self-reflection...that's where I live. It astounds me how oblivious some people can be to the darkness that exists inside people, that's something that I've naturally accepted since at least the age of 17 or so and am completely comfortable with. It's just a part of what it is to be human. I'm sleep first, so there you go.
3:41 That's such an Ni way of summing it up ^^
"Whatever it is that you say, it all fits into my one concept"
haha I thought the same thing
Reminds me of the time I helped edit a friend's paper. We faced the screen to read a passage she needed to review, but I couldn't focus because she read it out loud over my shoulder, processing as she read. When I asked her to use her "inner voice" she whispered it instead.
lol!
HAHA
i’m sleep second and wow i will never stop being taken aback by the fact that there are people out there who don’t hear their inner voice 24/7. she sees the inner monologue/the chicken voice like a modern discovery. we been knew sis!! i wish we didn’t, but we BEEN knew
You should hear the inside of a Sleep laster. We have our voices, your voices, our mom's voice, random celebrities' voices, etc. The modern discovery is when we can organize them down to only two
Some of us don't have an inner voice at all. *le gasp!*
dylonias oh that’s straight up terrifying
@@dylonias as a lead consumer i spent the whole morning watching their videos and as I was taking a shower I started to analyze myself through their voices... Is that sleep second, third or fourth... I'm lost
I have no “voice” in my head. No words, nothing. If I had to use an analogy for how I think it would be kind of like color, or music. I’ve described it as less a conversation but rather a maze (or a mine, really). I get imagery and symbols rather than words. Hell, even trying to IMAGINE what it would be like to have an inner monologue I “see” the words, not hear them.
Oof. That Bumblebee skit at the end really hits home. That's exactly what my inner dialogue is like many nights trying to get to sleep. It's like turning on 6 TVs at once with different shows on playing at different speeds and volume levels. Those "shows" are the events of the day and/or memories. The "channels" also change at random. The shows can be positive or negative, but more often negative.
I have to use mindfulness tricks to find peace in the sea of noise. Counting my breaths backwards from 10,000 does the trick every time. I almost never get past the 9900s before I get knocked out. I picked that up from the Headspace app's Sleep section.
Other things that help: Meditation 2x a day. Laughing a lot during the day (watching comedy or banter with others). An intense work out to burn off excess energy and be tired. No consumption of interesting information while in bed. No talking in bed. No conversation in bed. Taking time to NOT overload my brain with information throughout the day because it's easy for me to shut off "tired". And many more things.
I'm FF Ni/Te BP/C(S) for anyone wondering. It's like being a bullet train with no brakes built-in. You gotta build them yourself.
Im always annoying people by self-analyzing while talking to them. Like you would think id learn not to bother people with that lol
Did you just self-analyze in this comment? Lol
What’s worse is I self analyze and use it to connect to other people and their situation,literally how I understand it but to some people they interpret it as making it all about me.
No! It just sounds like a low key way finding meaning and personal value through self reflecting of past emotions.
Maybe that's just my Si+Fe blast way of looking at it but from the way you describe sounds like CS.
Kinda how in Rick and Morty, when Rick become detoxified he became very CS to his emotions and he was happier for it until he got a distress signal from his BP half that become self aware and sentient.
I know the feeling.... I never used to be like this, I don’t think, or at least I wasn’t aware of it until I noticed other people don’t do this kind of thing. I grew up with it-my whole family are “verbal processors,” lol.
a h THIS. To be brutally honest, I don't really know how else to make people feel heard (though ironically, it might come off as the opposite 😬) and establish that kinship.
I agree !higher self, lower self, As Above So Below. Life is a spiritual journey
Tbat explains why i always had and have aversion to go to bed. I cab think of a million things i need to do first, but then I'm tired in tbe morning. My sleep cycle is messed up. Good to finally know where this is coming from 🤣
I don't have an internal dialog most of the time (or at least I'm not conscious of it). When I need to process and try to understand myself I need to talk it out as if I'm blasting/playing. I would imagine that someone has asked me a question and I'd answer while processing my thoughts.
ENFP.... so all my composition teaching over focuses on organization of your essay. (my demons) But it's interesting cause the "easy" part for me is gathering ideas, bur I get caught off guard continually by students who "have no idea what they want to write." So I wonder if as a teacher you need to be mindful that you might be over teaching your demons and under teaching your saviors.
Such wonderful enlightenment! Now you can be an even better teacher.
Wow that is such a good statement and i relate a lot to your style of not knowing how people dont have ideas. We gotta teach appropriate to the kids weaknesses and be ware they may and more than likely are different than ours
I’m an ENFP student in high school who is obsessed with OP, and my personal hot take is that the thing school has taught me the most is not even correlated with subject matter. It’s how different the learning process is for everyone, and how teachers rarely ever look outside themselves and acknowledge that. I’ve actually found the opposite of you; the way I’ve seen it, it’s often a trend that so many teachers teach by what works for them- their Saviors. They put their Saviors on a pedestal and encourage every student to learn and grow using those functions. Sometimes teachers even shove students into boxes with those functions and get angry at students who don’t catch on. I’ve found that it’s the reason why there are teachers that a handful of students like, but that a lot of the class struggles to understand. All of it fascinates me as a student because I see it happen again and again and I’ve started to be able to track it. I have tons of stories and I could be here all day to tell them all, and I have two more years in high school so I’m sure I’ll have even more stories to tell later on.
I do think that there are some teachers who see beyond that and they end up doing the opposite. They teach in the areas where they find the most difficulty- their Demons- because they understand the struggle and almost seem to assume everyone struggles in the same areas. More often than not, though, I see teachers try to look at those Demons through a lens of indifference, or even rebellion. They’ll say, “Well, struggling with this kind of thing is actually a strength, and let me tell you why.” (Insert monologue about trusting your Saviors instead of your Demons because your Saviors are actually super cool and they make you special.)
In my experience, it’s been hard for me to find a teacher who can teach outside of their Saviors. It’s been even harder for me to find one that teaches in a way that’s so well-rounded, it benefits everyone. Perhaps I’ve just had an unusual amount of very bad teachers, or maybe there’s a lot I’m overlooking and I’m wrong about a lot of this. Though either way, I find it interesting how OP ties into teaching. It’s usually very easy for me to type teachers, because the things they advertise to students the most are often their Saviors, and the things that push them out of their comfort zone while teaching are often their Demons. I should probably spend more time studying lessons, but I spend a ton of class time studying my teachers instead.
All of it is why I’m fascinated by the idea of working as a teacher someday; I yearn to tie OP into a class environment that tailors itself to multiple functions and that intentionally involves the use of all four animals. It sounds like such a huge task, but I want to see it happen so badly! I’ve even started forming mock lesson plans to try and figure out how to make it work! Teaching’s a hard job, and it’s even harder to do well, but I feel like if I put in the work someday, it could be such an inspiring position that gives me more and more to learn and refine every single day. Or perhaps that’s just the lead Consume talking. :))
Wow, this makes me wonder if there's any correlation between Sleep last and mental conditions that involve detachment from the self, externalized internal dialogue, and fractured sense of identity -- like schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder. 🤔
I have CPTSD with secondary (bordering on tertiary) dissociation degree. I have some features of OSDD, but not enough to warrant a diagnosis. I never developed a proper inner voice as a child. I don't know if it's related to the abuse, or if it's more because of my ADHD/learning disabilities. In a way, the fracturing of my identity kind of... kept me from ever fully consolidating my own internal experience? I have always felt detached from my emotions and who I am. Never quite made the connection. There must be. Good catch.
@@deadsoon I have CPTSD too. I'm sure that it's prevalent within many types, but I just wanted to put that out there.
So someone who basically has a lot of energy, is very active in terms of interacting with the outside world in terms of talking and doing things and doesn't necessarily take a moment to stop and think about what they're really thinking, is someone who has Sleep last
I thought it was more so to do about inner reflection. If you're sleep last it seems the outer world, and the things that are more tangible draw your attention. I'm sleep first. I literally could be content sitting on a lake or a beach for hours observing the horizon, reflecting on life. It depends on the energy consumption though. A sleep last can crash hard, just like a sleep first can play hard. It's just not very often
I love these videos and this hits home. (Since I'm so convinced, and we know the statistics, clearly I only imagine it hits home.) It's hilarious how I've always wanted to be on the introvert side but I'm probably far more energetic than most people I know... though of course exhausted by it. I hate it so much and hate myself for how intense I can be sometimes, but I still love and employ how productive I can be because of it. So hard to give up my thoughts and go to sleep, though. I must always be *doing* something.
I'm sometimes grateful for being sleep first
For those who are wondering (I didn't know her) : it's Lauren Zander (it was partially inaudible for me).
Thank you for this! 🤩
3:35 That's amazing
Wow, this is interesting. Never thought of people actually not talking/tracking the inner. Sounds extremely extroverted.
yeah this is why i have never been into these inspirational coaches. they all seem to fall in the same category.
my high ti kinda compensated for polar fi my whole life and now I am more connected to fi simply cause I'm older and wiser😌
I’m a sleeper and I’m never waking up
I am sleep last 100%. Ive known this long before there was terminology for this. Fi/Si is so hard for me and when it happens, it tends to be negative.
me too. when did you start to realise that you should make more effort to track your inner dialogue? Mine is sort of buzzing all the time but it takes real work to pause and look at them objectively. I used to just let them boil over into an emotional mess, which I'll Te and move on - rinse, repeat.
Mori W i describe my thoughts as a billion pieces of paper floating around a room with a fan on high. I am in the middle of the room trying to catch them. If i want to filter my thoughts i have to go in the room and catch some of those papers and see which ones i want to get rid of. It is boring and slow going but its necessary if i ever want to catch the ones i want to catch
I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh in middle school. During the week, I'd duel my friends, come up with new combos, and prepare for Saturday at the bookstore. In the two hours every Duelist League, I'd buy packs, trade cards, start up enormous free-for-all battles where everyone contributed to the pot and winner took all, and walk away with a field of new information.
Then, every Saturday night, I'd put on [adult swim] anime and reorganize my deck with what I'd learned.
This is the life of a Sleep last. Constantly moving, taking in new ideas and opportunities, and fitting them into a "better" reflection of our mission. The proportion favors Gather over Organize, and often Tribe over Self.
Life can toss us around and get us thinking we should be concerned with things irrelevant to our core. We feel responsible for "trying them out," hungry to make our endgame all the more complex. Especially when our savior letters get roped in.
As I've said before, the trick is more than organizing your life. You have to own your Organized Self and live it outloud. I'm not there yet, but I've never forgotten the 14 year old who dominated Duelist League because he themed his deck exclusively around one type of monster.
i really wish "sleep last" didn't sound like "sleep blast" argggh
I'm alright with Sleep energy - I like to keep it balanced with more extraverted energies, with a dichotomy I like to call "Performed Identity versus Personal Identity". Performed Identity is kind of a Hegelian thing, where "by their fruits you will know them", or an identity formed by reflection from others - this is the "you" that others see. The "Personal Identity" is a truth of self based on criteria by self. It is accordingly separate from Performed Identity.
I like to keep the two on tap for the sake of perspective on things, but I take slightly more stock in Performed Identity, as that is a measure of my impact on the world.
Wow! That's a very fascinating way of looking at it. I can't say I have given that aspect too much thought. I often carry myself more so as a symbol. When I'm in the presence of people it's like I display who "I think I am," as I haven't fully processed the entirety of who I should be. It's as if I have a model of my future self, who I just carry forth day to day. Knowing that other aspects of my identity are malleable, such as the car I drive or the clothes I wear, I try and view it all as integral in character;The virtue of characteristics. Our Identity seems more complex than we give credit. We have roughly 37trillion cells that are contain within us, mix that with how we were nutured, our life experience, tailored to our own personal uniqueness, the clothes I wear, the way I act. Whether I like it or not, if my belt or leather boots were polished 15% better when meeting new people, my perceived identification could be different. I liked what I heard a few days ago; You are known by your energy, even before you speak to someone. There's an absolutely fascinating complexity to human beings! Even at the end of the day, my identity can still be skewed by the observers perception anyways. I also like a traditional Japanese way of looking at identity of oneself. "You wear three masks, one to those you don't know, (the general public) the second to your close friends and family, and the third mask is what you wear when no one sees you. That is really cool you have a good balance of sleep. I'm working on play/blast more. I can be too held down by thoughts and reflection. (Being stuck in my own head.) But the fact you have a good understanding of balancing your perceived identity with your performed identity seems to make for a healthy lifestyle. Being introspective as well as productive :D
@DaveSuperPowers Please man, Come on. Destroy completely the EJ stereotype with the Play Last EJ Video. You Deffinitely are my favorite MBTI UA-camr and i consider your System the most objective one, I want to see all those Noobs from 16 personalities.com and MBTI Database completely baffled when they see that the EJ is not always the stereotype of the ever-moving Businessman.
I learn one thing.. For those not facing the chicken voice, can be really dangerous. As they can easily repeat makes in the exact same manner and hurt themselves again. Only to wine about it, blame on everyone for their own responsibilities and not see where they mess up. When all the self pity end, the toxic habit start to repeat again. O.O yucks
Wow... I thought I was high sleep. Looks like I'm PB/C(S) Or, BP/C(S) -INTJ
To me having sleep last seems more proficient then any other function order
Dave could you make a video about Play Last EJs? this would break most of EJs stereotypes out there due to the stereotype being based completely from This video or in other words Play First-Sleep last EJs.
Always felt the opposite thing.
Are any EJ's play last though? Am I missing something?
Oooooo! I’m best friends with a Play last ENFJ. I love her. She completely breaks the stereotype and it’s lovely to see.
Wow.. How.. how do people not know what they are thinking? How!!! Here I am at 6am from trying to figure this out... going to take so so much more time to comprehend how does the world live like that... o.o
If Judge Judy was your Mom I can't even.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Ha! Not positive, but in my rational state, I suppose I could get real odd in a fraction of the time it takes others.
I compulsively talk out my inner dialogue. I yell at my own voice in my head when it says something I don’t like. As an ENFP with Sleep second (I believe) I quite normally take my internal world and project it outwards into the air. There doesn’t have to be a person there to hear it. In fact, better if there isn’t. I just put a voice to all of the dialogue in my mind, and when something comes up that I don’t approve of or that I know will hold be back, I fix it and try to create a better line of dialogue instead. My parents hear me talking out my thoughts and values a mile a minute from outside of the rooms I’m in, and they probably wonder if I’m okay for spitting my morals at the nearest wall 24/7 😂
Curious to hear your guys take on Derren Browns’ inner world and sleep processing.
Yea, I need meds to sleep. When I lay down my brain starts going a mile a minute replaying and processing the day which is helpful but not the most opportune time. Otherwise I need to feed my ravenous appetite for knowledge or sharpen my acuity with games or other taxing mental tasks. Silence is highly unpleasant.
Micah Miranda I have that problem and usually just end up staying up watching videos until I can’t stay up any longer, eventually drifting off. I am not official diagnosed with insomnia, but I would argue having an inconsistent sleep schedule is better than having to rely on meds!
@@LemonMeIon yea meds have a negative connotation because of their stigma but I view it as an enhancement. Doctors say that sleep hygiene is important to a healthy lifestyle. I would agree as I feel more rested now than ever which has effected my life universally.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I haven't. I stick with what's doctor recommended but if it works, it works. Different things work for different people. Just be aware that anything without FDA regulation isn't guaranteed to have equal quality and some medications conflict. I'm sure you've done your research, I'm just saying just in case.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo good to know
I guess there are different ways to label inner voices e.g. inner critic, cheerleader, inner parent, child etc.
SF -- SiFi- valuing something in the concrete/tangible world- processing your values and how it is aligning with current and past experience/personal experience?
NF -- NiFi- valuing something in the abstract (like concepts, ideas)- or reflective of identity and values and whether your Ni world views/patterns also align with this?
ST -- SiTi- own reasons/what makes sense to me/figuring things out in the concrete/tangible world- processing your reasons or internal logic and how it aligns with your current experience and past experience?
NT --NiTi- own reasons/figuring things out in the abstract world- or reflective of own reasons and logic and whether they are consistent with your Ni patterns?
What do you guys make of this?
I'm wondering if anyone has insights on the different kinds of sleep and masculine vs feminine sleep which I get confused on.
I'm guessing saviour sleep is more acceptance of the inner world/one's own experience, paying attention to it more and naturally. Perhaps being more comfortable with one's self and naturally more self-reflective? I feel like play is reactive and sleep is 'proactive' in that it's not reactive to the changing environment or slower to react/update/incorporate changes- so sleep is more timeless/long-lasting
Would e.g. double masculine sleep be more solid in terms of one's identity/inner world?
I’ve been wondering this for AGES! I’m hoping someone has an answer!
I’m almost envious though. At least the sleep last people get stuff done in the world. You know? They’re not being dragged down by this laziness and they have less trouble interacting with the tribe.
This is my ENFP wife. Go go go go.... DONE.
There are different kinds of sleep energy though. Someone can be quiet and have a constant background of a core belief running underneath that quietness.
Another quiet person may be functioning in a blank/zero state. Nothing running in the background. A subtle difference. But very different personalities will come out of it.
Babies are born with energy patterns but not with any belief. An interesting question to ask would be, could a particular biological energy pattern be more susceptible to picking up certain belief systems over others?
And 2ndly, Core beliefs(influence savior and demons) can keep changing for some people throughout their lives. in that case, would that change their energy stack?
first person you describe sounds like masculine sleep and the second sounds like feminine.
Interesting. Her Sleep recognizes the internal voices as dualistic and high/low. Mine feels like one entity wearing different hats. Bet that reflects our savior Decider.
I pride myself on helping a couple of friends really "find their purpose." They have actually come to me and told me that I have changed their lives, which really was more of the result of me being in the process of changing my life and just blasting all the info that I had learned. I also have an IG where the purpose of it is using Jung's principles to "set a routine," "get in touch with your purpose," etc. I finally feel like I am in touch with them, but damn committing to them every day is the fucking hard part. At least I know now not to let go of that red balloon, no matter how hard it gets, because I'm heading in the right direction (I think).
Hey , I feel like I’m on the same journey and I have been doing same thing you are doing . What’s ur update on this journey ?
Did someone ask? Lol IxxP
Love you guys!!!
Could y’al do a video on the Ni-Ti loop, and maybe how early life trauma (chronic) can skew how types express themselves (i.e. using attributes from their demons as defense mechanisms, or some other skew)?
Yes! I have such a hard time typing my husband and I can only guess that it's because he had a hard-as-hell childhood. It's like there's distortions in his system that mess with who his most basic self is. (Either that or I really just can't get a handle on all this OPT stuff.)
... yeah, sleep is definitely not a last for me.
You guys talk about Gary V in every video lol
They are absolutely right that his interviews are unwatchable 😂
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@@jinshergill4214 Yo!
You want to train the functions to be constructive... you do that by learning how to think and how to forgive yourself... I do this by payinh attentuon to my thought patterns and quietly observing and not reacting to the judgements I dont believe is helpful... also meditating will help let got of the energetic fuel that supports the intensity of this prosess
I have several journals where I have written thoughts and opinions. Just started diving deeper into this subject, are they a good source for typing myself?
Definitely 🤩
How much of a role do genetics play in your type? Or is nurture more important?
Eeeeuuuuggghhh! 😡 Judge Judy is a horrible person with how she treats others. Having to listen to her is cruel and unusual. 😞
So, I think I may have sleep as a third or second, I'm also very in tune to what I'm talking about with myself, is it on third because we have to train harder on what we're flimsy or on second because now it comes kind of naturally??
Does everyone call him Tom Tom or just Dave and Shan? 😂
Sleep last, would this mean that it takes like 2 years to process emotions?
6:25 This as well.
How can anyone not hear the inner voice? Like they actually have to put in effort to listen to it?
I would argue the get s*** done that if they are getting stuff done it's not efficient and it's kind of sloppy. I think I do that sometimes at least
I love your videos, they're so interesting and I'm learning so much!
I was just watching a Jazza video and was wondering, have you ever typed him? Just thought he'd be such an interesting person to analyse xD
What do you mean by “double activated” somwthing? Or double play? Can you please explain to me? 😬
I've noticed all Dave and Shan's examples are of winners getting in touch with some of their weaknesses and then fixing them. I'd like to see losers become winners using this approach. I bet there are no examples. All that's happening is that the winners have the money and the contacts and the helpers to be able to solve the weaknesses. It's much easier for a rich person with money and contacts to fix a problem than it is for a poor person with no money and contacts to fix a problem. Of course, this is a problem with where they are taking their samples. They are picking successful people on the internet and saying, "See, the solution is to balance your weaknesses, then everyone will live happily ever after." Furthermore, I'm not convinced about the discoveries. I don't believe these noisy Play people are really insightful. They just tell you how noisy Play people become "successful" according to society's ignorant values.
Well, phuq.
I guess there's sumpm more to this.
Hm.
Gonna have to play a bit now.....
THIS!
I feel seen!!
Not enough high alpha in this video