Do Battleship's Wear Boots? What's a Boot Topping?
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2024
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I think you did the right thing. For practical reasons the boot topping has to be where the wind/water line is going to be until the next yard service. The aesthetic benefit of this is that the ship looks proper sitting in the water, with the boot topping an even height above the water over the whole length. Yes, it's not identical to its placement during the last deployment, but it preserves the artifact.
Ships don't 'sit' in the water, they float.
Sit epidemic.
yup-yup
@@kiereluurs1243Thank you for your autism (It was not needed, though).
@kiereluurs1243
It is in fact 'sit' lots of weird terms in naval anything :)
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Ryan starts out talking normal volume, I find it hilarious how by the end of the video, he's shouting at the top of his lungs.
Lol😂yea
I enjoyed that too 🤣
LET US KNOW IN THE COMMENT SECTION DOWN BELOW!!!!!!!
The good boys in the yard started grinding. Poor Ryan had to pitch it up. X)
Definitely prefer the way New Jersey is painted, so she looks in proper trim.
Keep in mind….shes *not* in proper trim so the boot top actually needs to be *out of trim* to compensate. Someone must have had to do some serious number crunching.
@@cruisinguy6024 Was gonna say. Number crunching was had.
Paint came out amazing. Well done sprayers.
We prefer to be called painters sprayers are the Orkin man😂
Ryan makes the national news tonight. Navy painted all other Iowas last round.
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Is there a ship more gorgeous than the New Jersey? I never get tired of seeing such a magnificent beast of engineering!
- Yes there is ... Wisconsin.
USS ALABAMA
Hahaha, now we got a friendly competition
@@madjack1748Bismarck & Tirpitz were fine looking ships but I find the sisters Scharnhorst & Gneisenau just a bit more sexy!
Titanic!
Ryan is world famous , he was on the NBC evening news tonight. Great job .
He is full of Soo much knowledge
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Based on prior videos, I presume the 'Boot topping' is specially formulated to deal with the extra wear and tear involved with being at the waterline, therefore in my opinion it would be best practice as a museum to place it where the waterline sits where displayed.
He’s mentioned several times that’s the only area in which they’ll be using anti fouling paint as a means to save money so yes it could be said it’s specially formulated to deal with the unique environmental factors of the wind/water line.
Even if @cruisinguy6064 is wrong about the boot topping being painted with an anti-fouling paint, just having an extra coating layer on the wind/water line would be beneficial.
Can't wait to see what this is all aboot.
Eh?
Ouch
Look higher on other ships😊
its about boot licking!!! LOL
I see what you did there! 😉
Ryan is becoming a rock star
I couldn't have been happier on my drydock tour Saturday. I also enjoyed chatting with Ryan however briefly and the rest of the staff. Thank you all for taking such good care of the ship. Coincidentally I've got something like 80-90 pictures of the ship if you would like a copy for the archives.
Side note I do have to chuckle that the Pewter ship in a bottle has 60 on the side instead of 62 lol.
took me a mega magnifier to find that out lol
I think I came very close to meeting high school-aged Ryan in the summer of '06 when I visited the USS Constellation in Baltimore.
While I understand the desire to have the ship painted as she was in service, I see a benefit of the new paint job. It is a definitive point in the history of this ship. From now until the next paint job, people will know when they see a picture of post 2024 drydock New Jersey.
Congratulations on your national news coverage
Hey just saw you on NBC Nightly News! Great job!
I have always maintained that of the four Iowa's Missouri looks the most out of trim due to the low painting of the black boot topping. I have photo's of both Iowa and Wisconsin in the 1990's when they were tied up side by side at the Inactive Ship Facility in Philadelphia and they both appeared to have a similar boot topping paint scheme. It appears that New Jersey's new paint job will be similar to Iowa and Wisconsin and not like Missouri's. The folks at Philadelphia tried to maintain Iowa and Wisconsin to a similar paint scheme as to when they were in service. Indeed when I was there in 1995 Iowa was getting a fresh coat of gray hull paint. New Jersey looks great and with her new teak deck will be the envy of all the battleships. Thanks for the video.
BBNJ will absolutely be the belle of the ball when she comes out of dry dock!
I wish UA-cam allowed commenters to post pictures because I know I’m not the only one that would love to see the ones you mentioned. Have you considered sending them to Ryan / the museum?
@@cruisinguy6024 Thanks for the idea. I know I sent a set of photo's to the Iowa museum in San Pedro. It is not likely we will see two battleships tied up together again.
Great job on NBC News tonight! Very cool! I hope it attracts even more fans!
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The only man who can rhyme museum with Sam. I think I'd paint the boot stripe like you did it. The official paint scheme looks way too wide with the ship unloaded, sitting so high in the water.
Nice seeing the ship on NBC news!
watching TV:
I know that guy!
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Ryan, you are doing the right thing with the singular objective of preserving the ship for future generations. I might never get to see this great ship but it will be there for my 2 year old grandson to see one day whose great grand-father fought at the Battle of Surigao Straight on HMAS Shropshire . Well done and thanks to you and your team.
Semantics with Szimanski
Whatever needs to be done to preserve the ship. A majority of the visitors will never know unless it was pointed out.
And watching these videos made me order the Tamiya 1/350 NJ. I build scale cars and this will be my first ship since I was a kid. But I do own the ancient Aurora kit as well but can't bring myself to build it.
That large expanse of bow riding high out of the water always looks strange to me as a former BB-63 crew member. I actually prefer what the Wisconsin did with their boot topping, with the top at its full load level, and just continued it lower to meet its unloaded museum wind-water line. I know that can look strange too, but not as strange as the "riding high" look.
The most important thing is that Big J looks cool.
Thanks man.
Looks like Iowa and Wisconsin have the original boot, and Missouri and now NJ have a lower painted boot topping.
But what do I know? I was Air Force 🤷♂️
Yeah, those two havent had any yard time since they were deactivated decades ago.
Saw you on NBC this evening! Cool deal!!
You're doing a badass job Ryan.... Thank you 🇺🇸
Oh snap. I’ve never had the chance to watch on of these live before.
Something so funny about Ryan getting gradually louder and louder to pierce through the growing work noise in the background.
Love what has been done!
Looks good as new well done guys
I like the way you did it
Remember too: when in naval service, the range of freeboards can vary so much because you might completely loaded to the gills or empty for repairs and resupply
Remember the whole razzle dazzle camo experiments? part of the theory was to make it very difficult to determine the class of ship because it's hard to determine range or size and you don't have a great reference to determine if she's light or heavy
What a pure beauty of a ship. All American and just amazing. I feel like she is smiling right now
So Wise , Thank You . What you are doing
Great videos to understand and know about ships. I hope I get to visit the NJ one day, seems like a fascinating journey. Cheers for a damn good job!
Look at that beautiful paint. Holy cow I really want to be there right now.
You have an awesome job Ryan, and you excel at it. You, the staff and volunteers keep up the great work!
Thanks for the fun facts!
She is looking great....and thank you Ryan for your knowledge.
She is looking great, Ryan! You must be so proud!
You guys did her right. Really enjoy your videos of the New Jersey.
I really like how she looks now. You guys are doing a fantastic job 😊
what ever makes it work for next 30 yrs always looking good
She's looking good Ryan!
I think you did the right thing as others have said as well. The ship is a museum now. It is not in active service right now. And quite possibly she never will be again. The purpose is the preservation and the presentation of the ship. You need to do what is right for the intended use of the ship now. I believe that this is what you are doing and I believe that the ship is in very good hands with you as the curator and with the crew that New Jersey has in general, both paid staff and volunteers. Now if we could just manage to make it so that on 4th of July at some point in the future fireworks could be fired from the main gun barrels, that would be awesome. I know that that's probably never going to happen, but I'm just floating the idea anyway. If the 5 inch guns could fire all the frilly and sparkly fireworks and the 16-inch guns could fire some mortars that would be amazing.
If I were the curator I would do it the same as you guys. Great job.
I definitely think you did the right thing it should look like it did in service👍
The beauty we continue to see is that everything done on navy ships is for a reason. Nothing is random. The people behind the designs and the work are very smart people and well informed.
I really love your videos. I'm sad we can't go see her. I'm going to be even more sad after the shipyard work is done. I hope you are able to continue your content afterwards. Much appreciation and love. Thank you.
Plenty of work left. Always something to talk about, discover... places for Ryan to fit into.
OMG I can't believe the progress on the ship. Ryan please preserve all of the artifacts from your personal allocation.
Looks good.
I like your decision best. Also, I hope you do a video on the "bumping" of the ship with actual video during the operation.
Reminds me of black boot topping you put on the toes of work boots. Basic tough rubber coating with bits of obsidian grit embedded. Makes a boot toe last longer and even toughens up the steel toes a bit. Some truck bed liners are made the same way but are prone to pealing.
You have to put an intermediate layer of paint under the bed liner for trucks. And it needs to be a type of paint that's not going to lose its grip on the metal, which means that you need to figure out exactly the type of paint that's good for you based on the area where you live. If you live in a cold climate, if you live in a moisture prone climate and so on. If the bed liner is placed directly on regular paint... it's going to peal. No two ways about it. And it's also going to become a mess if you strip the paint, because it's not a paint system that prevents rust, just wear. It's actually pretty porous depending on which manufacturer you go with. If weight weren't an issue, you'd be better with plinth grout. That stuff they coat building sides with up to a meter high. It's technically stronger than bed liner... but you pay the price in heft.
That said, exclusively for flat surfaces (in my personal case, european vans) i just use custom made rubber mats. Same stuff you find in playgrounds (that spongy, soft like surface). Far superior to any other method. Super wear resistant and you can drop stuff without denting and messing up a "paint".
And it enhances the sheer, gotta love sheer
Hi Ryan! Hi!
I mean you guys don't have tons of 16" shells to trim out the bow of the ship like Iowa, so the boot topping has to be where you guys are putting it. Looks awesome!!
they'd have to rebuild the pier towers if they added them lol
Very big ship.💯
Battleships are working tools, not fancy boats. You put the paint where it needs to be. That paint could (and likely did) change from one dry docking to the next. So the boot topping at the wind/water line makes sense for the expected service between now and it's next dry dock period. Not having visited the museum myself, I can only assume there are plenty of photos of the ship decked out as it was as various times during her service. A few of those would make a nice display pointing out the differences between how the ship is painted now vs. how it looked at various times during its active service.
Your approach with New Jersey has an appealing logic to it, though I don't feel strongly between a few different more or less valid ways to do it. What's important is that it make sense with the overall interpretation of the museum ship. Tell a coherent story. As long as you avoid mismatching to the point where it looks super out of place, 99% of visitors will never noticed something "wrong." Maybe half of the museum ship nerds would say something, but then you just need a cute retort in your back pocket.
One time I worked on a construction project, and that's where I first learned about a standard practice where they make a small example of how it'll look after every step is done. It looked out of place for 10 feet of finished wall in the middle of nothing, but they do it that way so that they can have the engineers look at it and sign off, or fix the way they're going to do it. I was told that NOT seeing that random wall is a red flag. So, did you guys test a part of the hull to make sure that it'll be right when the do the whole thing that way?
It makes perfect sense . In addition to the aesthetic look of the ship so her trim looks right Ryan has already explained the wind / water extra coating is anti fouling paint and will discourage marine growth which is likely to damage the coating system .
Great to see all the work taking place to secure the ships future. My question is with all the exterior work taking place is anything happening inside the ship during dry dock?
Being an historian, I would have left it where the Navy had it. It looks great either way, but I like keeping things to specs. If it's riding high, then visitors will know she's obviously stripped of munitions, etc. But I get the aesthetics and lowering it gives an onlooker a view of how she would have appeared combat loaded. Just personal preference to keep it at the Navy level. But she's looking absolutely amazing! Great job on the dry dock work and painting. 🥰😍❤️
This is technically how the navy had it as the museum interprets the ship. They're actually going for a specific period of time afaik. Regardless, it's just paint. The next team can always change things around in their time in the dock. The most important part here is the fact that NJ's hull is protected. She's going to last the decades for generations to see her. IMO, far above any other consideration. So many other ships were scrapped because their hulls were done for, so much history lost.
its best to move the paint to make it appear the ship is sitting lower. Iowa's ride really low in the water visually when in service, and they sit very very high when taken out of service. i used to wake up and get to see the Jersey, and Missouri every morning, and it was a huge difference in height when they towed them out of LB naval station.
It looks as though they painted the Navy spec boot line since their a higher line. She's looking great btw!
I'd paint the boot topping in a tribal tattoo pattern...but with skulls and flames. Seriously though, great video. I was always curious about this feature.
You have to paint the boot top we’re it looks right on the ship right now and I believe that is what you have done
And when back for people to see it will look right to them 👍👍🇦🇺
I'd put the wind/water line at the wind/water line. Obviously the museum ship isn't going to sit like it was at service weight and I think altering the paint scheme to make it look closer to how it would in service as much as feasible is the right decision. Good call Ryan (and surely a council of some sort). She's gonna look great when she's back home with her new makeup.
Are flames an option?
Ah, so the boot top is about one curator in height, good info.
Side note, Ryan having to yell louder and louder as the video progressed was kind of hilarious 🤣
Is there any way to get the paint codes for the colours used on the hull? I'm working on a model and I want to use New Jerseys colours.
Love what your doing, I try watch every video. Keep up the great work. From Ireland 🇮🇪
First let me say that battleship looks awesome! Second part is my question... hypotheticaly... If the Navy came in today and said "We are taking New Jersey back into service" How or would the Navy pay you back for all the money that's been put into it so far?
That’s never going to happen. Never. Ever ever.
And the Navy wouldn’t reimburse them even if it did.
@@cruisinguy6024 I'm aware, thank you. That's why I said" hypothetically"
If I was the curator of my own Iowa class battleship, I would paint the boot top so that the ship appeared as closely as possible to how she looked in service. I would also pinch myself 14 times an hour to make sure i wasn't dreaming and get a giant bumper sticker that says "my other car is a battleship".
that sexy fresh paint :3 now i wish every little inch would be as fresh ngl :D
I would have the boot Topping at the Factory location to keep it authentic to say this is the ocean travel water line. And the waterline you see today is the resting waterline so people could get the idea of where the 2 lines show the difference
I remember many years back seeing the Iowa and it definitely looked higher in water. I'm sure that's likely true for same reasons as New Jersey, which is why I don't mind the boot topping being less accurate to when it was actively in service. These ships already sit very high up in the water as museums and they're practically never going to be used for a practical purpose again. So with that in mind, better off just making it fit those conditions you're currently in rather than being 1000% accurate.
If I were a curator for an Iowa Class Battleship, I would hire Mr. Szimanski to do a better job than I will ever do!
If i was the curator of a iowa-class battleship.
I would be calling you ryan for advice
I think your just making it up it’s really a racing stripe! It is fast you know!
Ryan. Here is a new Tshirt or other slogan for you to consider: I’d rather watch paint dry on the hull of a Battleship in dry dock!
I’m actually pretty preferential to how Wisky is painted. I feel that painting a ship to its museum trim makes it look far too different than the service trim it was designed to operate around, and hence, funny. Missouri is the ultimate example of this and you can even start to see the ships Bulb is grey.
Give us more drydock work and details comparisson between all Iowas....
Yes I like what it would look like if it was in service. Good decision.
It's all about the look.
The stripe position makse more sense being a museum ship. If the Navy does reactivate New Jersey they will probably strip it down and redo the paint anyway. It's best done that way!
Wisconsin is higher because she was last painted by the navy (and is turning pink). Missouri was painted in 2009 and reflects a museum boot topping. How'd I do?
Given that she's a museum now, asthetics - and duribility for current conditions - trumps operational specs. You reached a good blend between historical authenticity and protection of a world heratige site. I'd chalk that up as a "win".
Seems like something most people would not notice other than the boat will look unloaded with the higher boot. Which it is.
I would put the boot top where it looks right for how it sits as a museum.
I would paint her in a dazzle pattern 😊
I would keep it as authentic as possible.
Just saw NBC Nightly News had a segment on it.
for my opinion as a museum you should keep it as original as possible, also it will be a better experience for visitors to get explanations on the subject the thinking that this the currect hight of the ship above the water
What size boot do you wear sailor?
“Size 860, Sir”
860?!? What are you? A boat?
“A Battleship to be honest, sir”
Great to see that you americans take care of your history 👍👍
At least one does.
Good morning. Question. In the following years would it be possible to get access to the wind water line for touch up of paint repair simply by keeping the ship ballasted down some then deballasting for a short time for between drydock periods?
I would prefer trim closer to nominal, if there was a way to add dry ballast.
Would be expensive as the pier towers are designed for this rake, they'd have to rebuild the front one
Should you paint a different colour grey - or a dashed line to indicate the "battle waterline"? seeing as the ship is riding high compared to its intentional level?
Wow, She looks brand new.
Like you have it now
I go with lowering the boot stripe to reflect nicely on current sitting position
Currently it may 'sit' on the blocks, but it should float in the water.
@@kiereluurs1243 I should had finished my post with "Sitting position at it's home port dock/berth."