Biggest improvement for me when learning to refuel was when I finally solidly mounted my stick. If your stick is moving around, sliding or leaning on the desk, it makes things 100 times more difficult. I went from taking 20 minutes to hook up once to perfectly refueling f-18, f-16 and a10 first try after solid mounting stick.
Without a proper stick you are lost. I went from Warthog stick to force sensing F16 Orion2 / Winwing. My refueling skills improved a lot, from like 3 connects and a total of 4-5mins I went to 1 connect and around 2 min refuel. I noticed I do a lot of microcorrections and my hand "wiggles" all the time, hardly noticable. Not possible with a normal, spring dependant joystick.
@@Anderson_Hwangnow idgaf if you're using jesus christ to come do it for you, the shit is hard til you get some hours behind the seat practicing, there's a zero percent chance you could just pick up the sticks & AA refuel it your first time, maybe not even the first 50 times honestly.. You sure you wasn't playin ace combat lol
What would improve this video: some numbers. Typical altitudes and speed for refueling (ex 25k, maxh .7). Stick curves also. Maybe suggestions on stopping pilot induced oscillations
Great video, Gaffer! Love your Viper content. Any chance you could make a tutorial for sighting options in the Viper? I'm not quite sure how to implement OAPs and VIP/VRPs into my cockpit workflow. Maybe an example surface attack against a SA-2 to demonstrate how and when they would be useful. Thanks again!
Great video Sir! Do you have some curves and deadzones on your stick? And/or curve on your throttle? Would you share these please? It looks so easy when you get and stay in position. Again, great video!
Hi Gaffer, would you be able to do a quick video or short on your f16 settings? I struggle to find a nice medium that feels good to fly with the viper module in terms of your stick sens, curvature, dead zone, etc. I love the fidelity of the viper but find myself going back to the f15c often because of feels much better to fly. Thanks.
once I figured out how to use my aero break to fine tune my speed down to the single digit. it was so much easier I only had to glance at it and worry about my altitude.
What did it for me once I finally was able to connect is bind a button for slomo nothing much just 2x it gives me more time to see/feel and then adjust when needed bit of cheating never hurt anyone right 😂
Nice information, I got a Tobii 5 and even with eye tracking turned off it still responds to my eyes slightly. I guess in that case turning it off for AAR would be the best thing?
Like with the control readout down there, I do wish they'd give us a little accelerometer we could bring up in the corner to replicate the exquisite motion sensitivity of the human ass.
I am using a thrustmaster 16000 HOTAS and for me the biggest problem is finding neutral speed and actually coming back to it. I've become somewhat proficient with flying in formation as in position of my f-16 to the tanker, however small adjustments to speed always f me up. Do you have any experience with that HOTAS for any tips?
I had a 16000 for a long time. There is a tension screw on the bottom of it (flip it over). I’d loosen that and also lubricate the rails inside the case that the throttle slides on. I’d refer you to google for what lubricant to use, I can’t remember what I used.
@@FLYGaffer Already loosened it a lot for it to be conveneint, however as it slides and isn't like those lever types, I am not able to remember/go back to neutral without looking at the controls visually. Maybe bring up the x y z controls on my screen while I practice just like you have them in the video? I just got this idea actually.
I also use 16000 HOTAS, to make it smooth glide I use transparent tape between the metal and the plastic where it's slide. I also added some non corrosive lubricant for metal and plastic. I found this hack in youtube or reddit. Try it and you will see the different is night and day!
Didn't play DCS much but for aerial refuel you should always fly straight in instead of going around the boom. Let the boomer do his thing, and if DCS have this correctly they should steer that away from your canopy, all you do is straight in and maintain contact position.
1:30 CLASSIC dcs, the tanker goes into a turn just before or usually just after hookup lol
I think this is the best AAR video I've ever seen. The thought process and principles are so much more important than strict procedure. Thank you!
Thx so much. The point not to use the lights was a game changer for me!
I was just sniffing around here to see if you were still active. My man, you do the best F-16 tutorials. Any length works too.
Biggest improvement for me when learning to refuel was when I finally solidly mounted my stick. If your stick is moving around, sliding or leaning on the desk, it makes things 100 times more difficult. I went from taking 20 minutes to hook up once to perfectly refueling f-18, f-16 and a10 first try after solid mounting stick.
Without a proper stick you are lost. I went from Warthog stick to force sensing F16 Orion2 / Winwing. My refueling skills improved a lot, from like 3 connects and a total of 4-5mins I went to 1 connect and around 2 min refuel. I noticed I do a lot of microcorrections and my hand "wiggles" all the time, hardly noticable. Not possible with a normal, spring dependant joystick.
I use an xbox controller and its not that difficult to aerial refuel.
@@Anderson_Hwang arcade mode? or sim mode?
@@Anderson_Hwangnow idgaf if you're using jesus christ to come do it for you, the shit is hard til you get some hours behind the seat practicing, there's a zero percent chance you could just pick up the sticks & AA refuel it your first time, maybe not even the first 50 times honestly.. You sure you wasn't playin ace combat lol
Managed to do my first aar after this vid
Man you make it look so easy. Couldn't even do it in the a-10, gonna be hard to do it in f-16
I'm happy to see that you posted a new video!
What would improve this video: some numbers. Typical altitudes and speed for refueling (ex 25k, maxh .7). Stick curves also. Maybe suggestions on stopping pilot induced oscillations
Just discovered your channel. A pure Viper guy 👍 ... Really excellent content. Thanks! Subbed
Welcome!
Great video, Gaffer! Love your Viper content. Any chance you could make a tutorial for sighting options in the Viper? I'm not quite sure how to implement OAPs and VIP/VRPs into my cockpit workflow. Maybe an example surface attack against a SA-2 to demonstrate how and when they would be useful.
Thanks again!
Great video Sir!
Do you have some curves and deadzones on your stick? And/or curve on your throttle?
Would you share these please? It looks so easy when you get and stay in position.
Again, great video!
Welcome back!
Really informative. Thanks a lot!
Hi Gaffer, would you be able to do a quick video or short on your f16 settings? I struggle to find a nice medium that feels good to fly with the viper module in terms of your stick sens, curvature, dead zone, etc. I love the fidelity of the viper but find myself going back to the f15c often because of feels much better to fly.
Thanks.
The F-16 has curves built into the flight model. I run 0 curve and a slight dead zone as God intended.
once I figured out how to use my aero break to fine tune my speed down to the single digit. it was so much easier I only had to glance at it and worry about my altitude.
What did it for me once I finally was able to connect is bind a button for slomo nothing much just 2x it gives me more time to see/feel and then adjust when needed bit of cheating never hurt anyone right 😂
Nice information, I got a Tobii 5 and even with eye tracking turned off it still responds to my eyes slightly. I guess in that case turning it off for AAR would be the best thing?
Unfortunately I have no experience with that system! But give it a shot and see if it works for you.
u make it look easy
I feel like I always end up over correcting when I get up under the tanker. I just gotta keep working at it ig
Like with the control readout down there, I do wish they'd give us a little accelerometer we could bring up in the corner to replicate the exquisite motion sensitivity of the human ass.
Man I wish you could see the cockpit bubble. I swear it looks like it's going right through where the canopy should be.
Very helpful. What is the display you had up on the lower left and how do you read it?
That's the radar display, showing the radar scan picture, not relevant to this video.
It's an graph showing joystick position and throttle position, you can turn it on in DCS by pressing Right Control + Enter
What's your sensitivity settings on pitch and roll?
What hotas do you use
I am using a thrustmaster 16000 HOTAS and for me the biggest problem is finding neutral speed and actually coming back to it. I've become somewhat proficient with flying in formation as in position of my f-16 to the tanker, however small adjustments to speed always f me up. Do you have any experience with that HOTAS for any tips?
I had a 16000 for a long time. There is a tension screw on the bottom of it (flip it over). I’d loosen that and also lubricate the rails inside the case that the throttle slides on. I’d refer you to google for what lubricant to use, I can’t remember what I used.
@@FLYGaffer Already loosened it a lot for it to be conveneint, however as it slides and isn't like those lever types, I am not able to remember/go back to neutral without looking at the controls visually. Maybe bring up the x y z controls on my screen while I practice just like you have them in the video? I just got this idea actually.
Perhaps try using the sound of the engine to figure that out
@@FLYGaffer I will try. Thank you very much for the feedback. We newbies really need to just hear a couple of sentences to put us on track.
I also use 16000 HOTAS, to make it smooth glide I use transparent tape between the metal and the plastic where it's slide. I also added some non corrosive lubricant for metal and plastic. I found this hack in youtube or reddit. Try it and you will see the different is night and day!
It's so fikin hard to refuel with viper
Any tips for a user with a T16000 and deadzone of x:8 and y:6? The wobble is really annoying to get rid off. Might just end up getting a new stick?
What key to press to show joystick on left side of the screen appreciate
rctrl +ent
i just have mouse and keyboard i try alot but it's realy hard to do this
Anyone know the button he uses for pause? All I have is either active pause or I use escape and it brings up the menu...
The pause button… pause break
F18 easier??
And of course, look right before moving after your tank is full. Your wingman will get annoyed if you smash into him.
right, you mean right
@@kepyyy5766 Correct. In fact, just look both way to be safe!
Didn't play DCS much but for aerial refuel you should always fly straight in instead of going around the boom. Let the boomer do his thing, and if DCS have this correctly they should steer that away from your canopy, all you do is straight in and maintain contact position.