I know you did cover some of the old gods (Odin, Thor, Aphrodite and others), but I would like you to make a video tracing each one of the Indo-European gods from their roots into the mythology that is better known. I am extremely grateful for all your videos! Thank you!
Not origins, but I wonder what the social value of preserving the cosmic hunt is? My first guess is as a method to remember where the North Star is for navigation purposes, but I don't know if the stories mention that star.
That is why I love to watch your videos. I once love history channel, but not anymore. Watching your video is like being in an online class. Watching history channel is like reading a fictional novel.
it's a miracle I'm able to learn about tens of thousands of years of human mythology. the work of so many people to preserve and connect these myths is incredible. I'm in awe.
Hey Jon I am so glad you are still here making these videos. They have really changed the way I think about mythology and religion and help me see the bigger picture. How these stories show is who they were. I am totally inspired by your work and come to it when I need to be reminded that we are all one people with one common story.
I love that someone named the individual details of a myth a mytheme. I think it is cool that the study of myths, language and genetics are coming together to provide a history of human migration.
I love mythology. Using your research is very helpful and your scientific perspectives often cause me to question my own. You are much appreciatd Jon. Thanks for all you do.
Jon, it's when you live the story that you know it's not just a story. I'm here in Cagayan de Oro City Mindanao Philippines, and my wife is a baylan of the Higaonon tribe. Being married to a female shaman has ensured that I feel the power of the spirits that guide her culture, and especially Magbabaya, the source of all things. Modern society has lost touch with what our ancestors taught us.
I feel that framing is too simplistic. Knowing what we do of cultures, "upholding culture" means spreading theirs and destroying others. All modern humans (post ice age) are the descendants of humans that were savage enough to conquer and enslave all others.
I immensely appreciate the important work you're doing Jon! How nice to see you referring to Stefan Milo! The two of you are a legendary combo when it comes to human prehistory. Cheers!
I think "Jungian archetype" was Jung trying to explain why myths are consistent around the world without any real understanding of the time-scale of human migration.
I’d love to see a video on “rainbow” myths. You’ve referenced Robert Blust before in your video on dragons. I highly recommend reading his book “The Dragon and the Rainbow”. He goes through great detail to show (with substantial evidence) that the Rainbow Serpent complex is not unique to Australia & that it’s fairly widespread (in Africa as well). Rainbows have a ton of myth/folklore around them that flies in the face of a westernized view of rainbows. You’ve got rainbows controlling the rain, living in caves, living in waterfalls, eating people, disliking menstruating women, being androgynous, not pointing at it, it representing aspects of hot/cold, having fire breath, having toxic breath, etc. Rainbows had to have been an incredibly mysterious thing to prescientific Paleolithic peoples that has no readily available natural thing to tie it to besides it existing between sun/rain.
fascinating video as always. i appreciate also that you type your own subtitles. that helps me a lot, as google's auto-translate often makes errors. thank you.
thanks Jon. really enjoyed this video but really liked the information on the website. i will definitely be looking at that and hoping to expand my knowledge thank you very much for that information. also glad you have the video to help us get the most out of our searches
Oddly enough, I'm having a little difficulty wrapping my head around the concept of "sacred truths." Being raised atheist, how the sacred is defined has always been a bit mystifying, despite my endless fascination with myths and religion. I have some very rough ideas, but I'd really like to get some more opinions and insight into the topic. I'm not sure if it's something you'd have the time/inclination to make a full video on, but I'd be very interested in any related books or channels you (or others) may suggest. Thanks as always for your incredible work!
Sacred truths, are statements made within religious doctorine that are regarded as true but require supernatural help to be such. They're not actual truths or historical facts that are also regarded as sacred. I hope that helps.
Out of Africa theory is disputed? I didn’t know that. I have noticed some similarities in west African and some IndoEuropean myths. I wonder if there is a correlation between them.
Humans migrated back and forth from Africa, just as (most likely) did the Neanderthals... It makes me wonder if some of our myths were actually inherited from them or at least the seeds for those stories during the time we lived side by side and interbred with them? After all, we know now that their intellect, technology, they had burial rituals and possibly did cave paintings, their brains were bigger than ours and their vocal cords were able to produce at least some kind of human language. So, if Neanderthals had a concept of death and afterlife/spirits and the ability to speak, wouldn't it make sense that they also had passed at least some their mythology to us Sapiens?
Out of Africa theory is politically motivated drivel. There's plenty of evidence that it's nonsense. Certain ones that control media and such really do not like certain truths and peoples. Look what they're doing to the West. That's all I'll say about that.
There's masses of evidence for the Out Of Africa model. Overall it is not scientifically disputed. Particular routes and dates might be disputed, but not the basics that H. sapiens arose in Africa and moved out from there. Archaeology and genetics agree on this. Before genetics could be used as a tool, then it was hypothesised that, for instance, people in China might have evolved from a H. erectus in that area, but that doesn't hold up when you compare it to genetics, which is why OOA is the accepted model today rather than the old regional hypothesis.
Thanks for the video. The database is really fantastic. I'm a bit skeptical with the notion of mythemes. Any complex system will match with any other complex system if we over-simplify both of them. The more simple a pattern extracted from stories, tales or legend is, the more links a reseach in a database will find. But does it prove a cultural link in the past ? Not sure at all. If I say for example "a strong warrior", I will find many occurences. But each community could have imagined a glorious ancestor who was a strong warrior. It doesn't mean that this warrior is the same ancestor of previously connected groups. A,cultural influence is more likely if we find clusters of mythemes between two stories.
At this point 16:31 , now would want a Crecganford collab with North02 and stefan milo . Jon to do the myth side , Stefan the archeology side and N02 to look at cultural evidence. His stuff focusing on cave art for example. Jon delivers at 17:50 .
It would be great to compare some of North02's work with the myth phylogenetic trees and see if we could connect the myths and changes in them to the movement of peoples.
Thinking more about North02's work, he talks about how people were living and which areas they were living in in Europe, what animals they hunted etc. It seems like it might be possible to look at a myth's origin point, or the origin of a version of it, and compare it to how the people were living at that point in time. Nortg02 should pop over to the UK and do such a collab talking about people who lived in an area, and he and Crecganford can dress appropriately and sit by a campfire together and Jon can tell us some stories they might have told while sitting around just such a campfire 10,000 or 15,000 years ago. That would be cool!
@JM-The_Curious I did make a comment under his latest video re the cave paintings, saying maybe done (amongst other things) as stories were told about hunts , myths etc .
Tim Rowe's Hartley mammoth site is securely dated to 37kya. Unfortunately there are no human remains, and only 6 lithic flakes, but lots of discarded mammoth-bone-chip tools, and the bones not burned for fuel, emptied of marrow, were left piled on top of the skull, which had been split, things scavengers are not known to do. Would any stories they told still be preserved anywhere? Are any descendants alive today? We may never know. They might even have been Denisovans.
My project is to look at language development in a mechanistic and granular way. The word star seems to mean fixed point, in formative language families. A satisfying result, stepping into the shoes of the ancient. It was a most remarkable feature, "fixed", in a changing rough nature. They looked up: always the same. With some exceptions. Firmament has the same meaning for the whole thing. Stable. In language research I also look for fixed points. Like the term star. It is probably a stable term. In this fashion I suspect that the word tree also refers to it being quite fixed, in human perception. These are there for a life time, kinda like stars. The etymologist may say: the firmness refers to wood. I say: it refers to tree. Data points.
I'm inclined to think that when we cook the meat and tell the story of the hunt, the smoke and embers go up to the sky, transporting the spirit of the animal into the stars.
Because their cultures haven't survived, we may never know enough about the cultures (or lack thereof) of the other branches of the homo tree to be able to say whether we had significantly different culture, or that it was what made the difference in our survival. Such a statement might just be survivorship bias. Re: The survivability of myths, while it's true that humans can remember poems better than prose, I think the analogy that really drives that understanding home is to remind people that almost every single person can live their entire lives remembering the lyrics from hundreds of their favorite songs from childhood, but basically no one remembers very much text from even their most favorite book. These myths weren't just these peoples' favorite songs, they were their favorite songs AND they had extremely important meanings.
My favorite subjects are prehistory and etymology and all religions plus your voice is so nice to hear! I can’t believe people think your content is anything esoteric. I’m interested in that, too, but taken as symbolic, as in, whatever “magic” they do is in their head, but it does help like a placebo.
I read a book called “history of the worlds mythologies” this summer. It was written by a professor of Sanskrit at Harvard. Would love you hear you review that book!
Yes, it was written by Witzel who leases Vedic Studies, and it was he who inspired the mythology database. And I have mentioned his book a few times on my channel, and will do again very soon.
@@Crecganford thanks, man. I have a background in studying philosophy and religion when from when I was younger. Somehow I never got into studying the type of things you talk about until a few years ago when I started finding folks like you on youtube. Wonderful content. Best channel on UA-cam!
I am always confused around Australia and Dreamtime though I have heard Jon mention this .Today in Australia, we learn frogs spewed water ,rainbow serpents and humans misbehaving with magical critters.Of course the indigenous do not tell whitefellas.
I know of the myths of silver fox, being creator of the world and black fox being the guardian of boundaries... If anyone knows of any black fox myths or myths of the fox and moon, please do let us know!
An interesting video, full of information and detail, really well explained. Thank you for lifting the curtain on how it's done. I wish you lots and lots of healthy and productive years. (so you can educate us 😊) ps: I wonder how myths will survive our ''modern'' age... only as stories in books? or they changed and now they live as Marvel and DC superheros...
Myths will change to match society and the landscape, and so we have to go back to our first recordings of them to have a better chance to understand them in the future.
Мы живём на платформе, где много ячеек . эта платформа, построена несколько светлых цивилизаций. Архитектура созвездие Лира, Лебедь. Это некий парк. Где жили и делились опытом. Но её захватили. Чтобы вы понимали. Это как фильме пираты карибского моря. Захват был именно пиратами тёмными цивилизациями. Нексиктоиды, рептилоиды, архонты. Всё что имеем здесь, это жемчужина мироздания. Та самая жемчужина корабль.
I wonder if Dennis R. MacDonald who wrote books that claim the gospels barrow from Homer used your data base for research? I've seen some of his charts and they remind me of the mytheme charts you show in this video, but they only compare Homer and the Gospels' mythemes. I'm so glad that you made this video but I wish you had it up when I first came upon your channel. Back then, I wanted to see what your scholarship was. I was flabbergasted at the facts about the consensus about myths (mostly about the Judeo Christian religions) that is known in academia, yet not in the wider public and I wanted to know if I could trust your claims, (of which I can). I have known for some time now about you being a respected academic, but I'm still amazed at what I've learned in this video!
Gobekli Tepe has sacred events and ritual happening at it, but the idea of a temple probably was not in the socieity's thoughts at the time it was made. Instead it is probably best looked at filling a gap in our knowledge of societal evolution as opposed to changing how we viewed that evolution.
Thank you for your explanation! I follow your content since years and sometimes I wasn't sure, If I hearing esotoric nonsense. I'm happy learning by a professionel. Cheers from Germany!
Fantastic video. Have you read and what's your opinion on Robert Blust's "The Dragon and the Rainbow: Man's oldest story"? He was a well-known linguist for Southeast Asian languages (that's where I know him from) and had apparently written it in secrecy and it was posthumously published after his passing 2 years ago, but I haven't gotten around reading it.
Do the Iliad and Odyssey qualify as myth even though they have a relatively recent setting? They seem to have many of the properties of myth vs. folk lore. Thanks
These Greek texts are definately myth, due to having gods within them. However, as these texts are so large, they may also contain folklore, and even history as well. Much like the Bible, a mythical book, but also contains folklore and some history.
Science now think that the belief of an original langage or a single origin of human species in a pyramidal patern is no longer valid. It was much more complex. Does your research tend to prove that myths follow a different patern through time, from a single original story to numerous versions today ?
I can find no formal connection between myths/religions that I identify as 12+1 (12 sacred trees + mistletoe (killer of Baldar the blessed), 12 disciples + Jesus/Buddha (the blessed), 12 Ithacan suitors of Penelope ... possible connections 12 full moons making the months of the year + 1 full moon (the sun?) [The explanations of this mismatch between obvious evident timing of events, particularly among those who live so embedded in the annual passage of time seem to fall into sudden changes in the orbits of Earth and Moon in the time of humans or the use of the sexagesimal numbering system in which 12 works great - 13 not so well. For whatever reason, it is still 12+1]
@@KedgeDragon lol, you guys are tweaking. 12 is the number of joints on your fingers, excludi g your thumb. You have 5 fi gers on your other had 5 x 12 = 60. Viola, a clock. And, it's not making random shyt up. It what the numbers actually come from.🫨
@@Karatop420 That's all true. But what's the plus one and why does it appear in so many myths? There are 28 days between full moons and 13 full moons in a year. The 12 on the clock (actually 24) is fully made up.
As a semiotician comparing narrative to DNA feels backward. Just building off of Propp, Greimas, and others it's hard not to see narrative as formally a language with semantics, syntax, denotation, and connotation. DNA's "code" is just a conceit since it's not a product of culture (code as defined by Eco, Lotman, Barthes, et. al.). I'll have to go over the papers cited for more context, though. And Campbell's theoretical position gleefully collapses unique cultural characteristics into a culty mono-myth which seems more guilty of erasure than exposure. His whole project feels reductive and colonial to me.
If it was a cultural, not a biological advantage that gave modern humans from 40k years ago the edge over all who came before, then why didn’t the earlier hominids simply copy their cultural innovations? They would have certainly been able to capture some of the “new” humans, and extract the necessary cultural information from them. The only reason I can think of why they didn’t is because of innate biological limitations.
Are you a Pagan or Hermetic of some sorts? Or do you believe in something Abrahamic? I am very curious as to what you lean towards, as all this research, cannot possibly produce an Atheist, I'm not buying that.
How can I believe in a religion if every religious story told has an earlier version from an earlier culture. Religion is man made, and so there is no point in believe any of it.
@@Crecganford You have a point there, and if one has had no divine encounters, doubting any transcendence, is reasonable, from the objective world view of the scientist. So, I guess that's what applies to you: Scientism (I did not just make the term up myself, it is a known concept). But Scientism and Hermeticism are so similar, in that they ultimately imply all religions coming from one source, which is man. Hermeticists go a bit deeper though as this isn't seen as an outright refutation for belief, hypothesizing that there is one single transcendence which inspired the first religion (and all religions after it)... I guess they have a point, as Hermeticists seem to be quite gifted at reconciling what could, logically, be this essence, using comparative mythology. It works very well for me, too. Though the twist is, that I don't think Hermetic practice is a religion in and of itself; its more like a perspective, and can be added to basically... anything, Atheism included. Science obviously has proven its merit, if not, why would I watch? Putting it on a pedastal, may be problematic, though. Hermeticism basically achieves similar goals, complementary but slightly distinct, I cannot deny merit in this method either. And as I have had divine encounters myself, in accord with Theology given in the Eddas, and my Germanic ancestry, I find it implausible my ancestors didn't have a point at all with their traditional faith, it greatly improved my mental health, even, just practicing Paganism... might sound like I fabricated the information, probably it does. But how come, a tradition which lay dead for a millenium, achieved what more than seven years of therapy (after which I just quit) and a dozen different medications could not tackle? There must be more to it than fiction. So, would you identify yourself specifically Scientist, Atheist, Agnostic? If so you would be the first I had no utter contempt for, rather I have a quite positive opinion of you. This would have some implications. So, if religions are man made - Enlighten Me, if I have to reconcider my stance on one ore maybe multiple weltanschauungs. I hope that's appropriate terminology as an umbrella term for irreligious and religious traditions.
I'm sorry, and maybe is simply DUE to differences in accent, but for the life of me I can't figure out WHAT is bein' SAID -- no matter HOW MANY times I closely relisten, and usually captions solves this problem, but it doesn't seem to be helping either -- here, @32:20 about something that is being found, lol! I'm sorry to even bother you at all about this; usually context clues are enough, for me to piece things together (should video captions not do the trick!) but...this one has got me stumped, LmMFaO
Is there a particular myth you would like me to trace back to its origins?
I''d love to hear the path and the roots of the dawn goddess, Eostre, Persephone, Eos, etc, through all her Eurapean aspects, right back to Africa.
The fae/fairies could be an interesting one?
Venusian/Promethean/Luciferian deities and personifications
I know you did cover some of the old gods (Odin, Thor, Aphrodite and others), but I would like you to make a video tracing each one of the Indo-European gods from their roots into the mythology that is better known.
I am extremely grateful for all your videos! Thank you!
Not origins, but I wonder what the social value of preserving the cosmic hunt is? My first guess is as a method to remember where the North Star is for navigation purposes, but I don't know if the stories mention that star.
That is why I love to watch your videos. I once love history channel, but not anymore. Watching your video is like being in an online class. Watching history channel is like reading a fictional novel.
Thank you so much.
it's a miracle I'm able to learn about tens of thousands of years of human mythology. the work of so many people to preserve and connect these myths is incredible. I'm in awe.
Wonderful video, Jon! I shared it with my own audience in the hope that more will learn about the work that goes into our scholarly endeavors.
Thank you mydear friend, I very much appreciate your support and kindness.
For over a year absolutely in love with this channel. Thanks for the videos!!
And thank you so much for your kind words and support.
Hey Jon I am so glad you are still here making these videos. They have really changed the way I think about mythology and religion and help me see the bigger picture. How these stories show is who they were. I am totally inspired by your work and come to it when I need to be reminded that we are all one people with one common story.
Thank you so much for your kind words.
I love that someone named the individual details of a myth a mytheme. I think it is cool that the study of myths, language and genetics are coming together to provide a history of human migration.
I love mythology. Using your research is very helpful and your scientific perspectives often cause me to question my own. You are much appreciatd Jon. Thanks for all you do.
Thank you, it always cheers me up knowing others find my work useful.
Dream collaboration:
Crecganford & Dan Davis
I like Dan's work and books, and have exchanged messages in the past. Pehaps something will happen in the future.
Jon, it's when you live the story that you know it's not just a story. I'm here in Cagayan de Oro City Mindanao Philippines, and my wife is a baylan of the Higaonon tribe. Being married to a female shaman has ensured that I feel the power of the spirits that guide her culture, and especially Magbabaya, the source of all things. Modern society has lost touch with what our ancestors taught us.
When you say, it were people who upheld their culture who survived... The future seems dark.
Indeed
I feel that framing is too simplistic. Knowing what we do of cultures, "upholding culture" means spreading theirs and destroying others. All modern humans (post ice age) are the descendants of humans that were savage enough to conquer and enslave all others.
I immensely appreciate the important work you're doing Jon! How nice to see you referring to Stefan Milo! The two of you are a legendary combo when it comes to human prehistory. Cheers!
This kind of content is exactly why I love UA-cam! Brilliant stuff!
I didn't know you created the database!! We used it in university when I studied my BA in literature. It's truly a great resource, thank you!!
Thank you, it's always good to hear from students who use it.
I think "Jungian archetype" was Jung trying to explain why myths are consistent around the world without any real understanding of the time-scale of human migration.
I found the works of Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza very useful in understanding the diasporas of genetics, language etc.
I love learning about stuff like this…crazy to connect with people from so long ago
I love how passionate you are about your work!!!
I am so excited about this video topic! I love these most ancient stories! Thank you so much Jon!
Your videos brighten my days.
Thank you, I hope you enjoy it.
Thanks, Jon! Love how you break down how we know the spread of myths. Fascinating as ever, and really well presented.
Thank you so much, your kind words are appreciated.
This was a fascinating video, thank you. I never knew there was such a rigorous methodology for studying the dissemination and evolution of myths.
I love when you do these dives into deep history 👍😊
I feel your love of mythology. Bless you.
Thank you very much for your academic approach
I’d love to see a video on “rainbow” myths. You’ve referenced Robert Blust before in your video on dragons.
I highly recommend reading his book “The Dragon and the Rainbow”.
He goes through great detail to show (with substantial evidence) that the Rainbow Serpent complex is not unique to Australia & that it’s fairly widespread (in Africa as well).
Rainbows have a ton of myth/folklore around them that flies in the face of a westernized view of rainbows. You’ve got rainbows controlling the rain, living in caves, living in waterfalls, eating people, disliking menstruating women, being androgynous, not pointing at it, it representing aspects of hot/cold, having fire breath, having toxic breath, etc.
Rainbows had to have been an incredibly mysterious thing to prescientific Paleolithic peoples that has no readily available natural thing to tie it to besides it existing between sun/rain.
@@_moodrings_ I second this! I would also love to hear more about rainbow myths
fascinating video as always. i appreciate also that you type your own subtitles. that helps me a lot, as google's auto-translate often makes errors. thank you.
Thank you for your feedback, I do take time to ensure they're correct.
@@Crecganford you really deserve a medal 🏅🥇 for going to such lengths to make your work accessible to as many as possible. Bless you, Jon.
thanks Jon. really enjoyed this video but really liked the information on the website. i will definitely be looking at that and hoping to expand my knowledge
thank you very much for that information. also glad you have the video to help us get the most out of our searches
So, some of these stories were told when Neanderthals were around. That is wild!
It seems rather sad to me that we've forgotten all those old myths and rituals.
Thanks for your work Jon. Interesting and makes sense that shared knowledge has more to do with humans surviving than just evolution and genetics.
We should be looking into Lullaby.
So the Cosmic Hunt is a Laurasian myth, based upon Witzel's schema. Great video. Thank you! 👍
Oddly enough, I'm having a little difficulty wrapping my head around the concept of "sacred truths." Being raised atheist, how the sacred is defined has always been a bit mystifying, despite my endless fascination with myths and religion.
I have some very rough ideas, but I'd really like to get some more opinions and insight into the topic. I'm not sure if it's something you'd have the time/inclination to make a full video on, but I'd be very interested in any related books or channels you (or others) may suggest.
Thanks as always for your incredible work!
Sacred truths, are statements made within religious doctorine that are regarded as true but require supernatural help to be such. They're not actual truths or historical facts that are also regarded as sacred. I hope that helps.
@@Crecganford Hmm... I'm not sure, but I'll mull it over for a while. Thanks so much for the reply!
Out of Africa theory is disputed? I didn’t know that. I have noticed some similarities in west African and some IndoEuropean myths. I wonder if there is a correlation between them.
We do see some dispersal of myths between North West Africa and Spain/SW Europe in the Middle Ages.
Humans migrated back and forth from Africa, just as (most likely) did the Neanderthals... It makes me wonder if some of our myths were actually inherited from them or at least the seeds for those stories during the time we lived side by side and interbred with them?
After all, we know now that their intellect, technology, they had burial rituals and possibly did cave paintings, their brains were bigger than ours and their vocal cords were able to produce at least some kind of human language.
So, if Neanderthals had a concept of death and afterlife/spirits and the ability to speak, wouldn't it make sense that they also had passed at least some their mythology to us Sapiens?
Out of Africa theory is politically motivated drivel. There's plenty of evidence that it's nonsense. Certain ones that control media and such really do not like certain truths and peoples. Look what they're doing to the West. That's all I'll say about that.
There's masses of evidence for the Out Of Africa model. Overall it is not scientifically disputed. Particular routes and dates might be disputed, but not the basics that H. sapiens arose in Africa and moved out from there. Archaeology and genetics agree on this. Before genetics could be used as a tool, then it was hypothesised that, for instance, people in China might have evolved from a H. erectus in that area, but that doesn't hold up when you compare it to genetics, which is why OOA is the accepted model today rather than the old regional hypothesis.
Thanks for the video. The database is really fantastic. I'm a bit skeptical with the notion of mythemes. Any complex system will match with any other complex system if we over-simplify both of them. The more simple a pattern extracted from stories, tales or legend is, the more links a reseach in a database will find. But does it prove a cultural link in the past ? Not sure at all. If I say for example "a strong warrior", I will find many occurences. But each community could have imagined a glorious ancestor who was a strong warrior. It doesn't mean that this warrior is the same ancestor of previously connected groups. A,cultural influence is more likely if we find clusters of mythemes between two stories.
At this point 16:31 , now would want a Crecganford collab with North02 and stefan milo .
Jon to do the myth side , Stefan the archeology side and N02 to look at cultural evidence. His stuff focusing on cave art for example.
Jon delivers at 17:50 .
It would be great to compare some of North02's work with the myth phylogenetic trees and see if we could connect the myths and changes in them to the movement of peoples.
Thinking more about North02's work, he talks about how people were living and which areas they were living in in Europe, what animals they hunted etc. It seems like it might be possible to look at a myth's origin point, or the origin of a version of it, and compare it to how the people were living at that point in time. Nortg02 should pop over to the UK and do such a collab talking about people who lived in an area, and he and Crecganford can dress appropriately and sit by a campfire together and Jon can tell us some stories they might have told while sitting around just such a campfire 10,000 or 15,000 years ago. That would be cool!
@JM-The_Curious I did make a comment under his latest video re the cave paintings, saying maybe done (amongst other things) as stories were told about hunts , myths etc .
I have respect for both of those creators, some of the best on UA-cam.
I really love your videos. Awesome work!
Fascinating stuff, thank you
You are awesome Jon 😊❤ TY
Thank you.
Tim Rowe's Hartley mammoth site is securely dated to 37kya. Unfortunately there are no human remains, and only 6 lithic flakes, but lots of discarded mammoth-bone-chip tools, and the bones not burned for fuel, emptied of marrow, were left piled on top of the skull, which had been split, things scavengers are not known to do. Would any stories they told still be preserved anywhere? Are any descendants alive today? We may never know. They might even have been Denisovans.
Still skeptical but glad you made this video addressing the methodology as it was left unexplained in some previous videos
I'll probably make a very technical video next year explaining the detail, and I hope it gives you more confidence om this field's methods.
My project is to look at language development in a mechanistic and granular way. The word star seems to mean fixed point, in formative language families. A satisfying result, stepping into the shoes of the ancient. It was a most remarkable feature, "fixed", in a changing rough nature. They looked up: always the same. With some exceptions. Firmament has the same meaning for the whole thing. Stable.
In language research I also look for fixed points. Like the term star. It is probably a stable term. In this fashion I suspect that the word tree also refers to it being quite fixed, in human perception. These are there for a life time, kinda like stars. The etymologist may say: the firmness refers to wood. I say: it refers to tree. Data points.
I'm inclined to think that when we cook the meat and tell the story of the hunt, the smoke and embers go up to the sky, transporting the spirit of the animal into the stars.
Surely that's how it went down, it's so poetic and obvious that believing it isn't even the point.
Indeed, that is what some of our ancestors also thought.
What about a video about the spirits/guardians of the forests around the world. They all seem to have some sort of link 🌳❤
Because their cultures haven't survived, we may never know enough about the cultures (or lack thereof) of the other branches of the homo tree to be able to say whether we had significantly different culture, or that it was what made the difference in our survival. Such a statement might just be survivorship bias.
Re: The survivability of myths, while it's true that humans can remember poems better than prose, I think the analogy that really drives that understanding home is to remind people that almost every single person can live their entire lives remembering the lyrics from hundreds of their favorite songs from childhood, but basically no one remembers very much text from even their most favorite book. These myths weren't just these peoples' favorite songs, they were their favorite songs AND they had extremely important meanings.
Yes, exactly, so many myths have been lost, and you could also argue those myths that remained were the ones that help as survive as humans.
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And thank you so much for all your support and watching so many of my videos.
My favorite subjects are prehistory and etymology and all religions plus your voice is so nice to hear! I can’t believe people think your content is anything esoteric. I’m interested in that, too, but taken as symbolic, as in, whatever “magic” they do is in their head, but it does help like a placebo.
I read a book called “history of the worlds mythologies” this summer. It was written by a professor of Sanskrit at Harvard. Would love you hear you review that book!
Yes, it was written by Witzel who leases Vedic Studies, and it was he who inspired the mythology database. And I have mentioned his book a few times on my channel, and will do again very soon.
@@Crecganford thanks, man. I have a background in studying philosophy and religion when from when I was younger. Somehow I never got into studying the type of things you talk about until a few years ago when I started finding folks like you on youtube. Wonderful content. Best channel on UA-cam!
You're doing a great job! 💯👏✨
Thank you.
With Science any wished conclusion can be proven and become true knowledge = Scientific knowledge.
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I am always confused around Australia and Dreamtime though I have heard Jon mention this .Today in Australia, we learn frogs spewed water ,rainbow serpents and humans misbehaving with magical critters.Of course the indigenous do not tell whitefellas.
These arew amazing stories, and different traditions treat them and tell them differently.
Really fascinating. Many thanks.
Thank you.
See E J Michael, “The Origins of the World’s Mythologies,” Oxford Univ. Press, 2012, for a genaeology of some truly ancient myths
Michael Witzel's book, yes, he is the reason I created the Mythology Database, it is a great book.
I know of the myths of silver fox, being creator of the world and black fox being the guardian of boundaries... If anyone knows of any black fox myths or myths of the fox and moon, please do let us know!
An interesting video, full of information and detail, really well explained. Thank you for lifting the curtain on how it's done. I wish you lots and lots of healthy and productive years. (so you can educate us 😊)
ps: I wonder how myths will survive our ''modern'' age... only as stories in books? or they changed and now they live as Marvel and DC superheros...
Myths will change to match society and the landscape, and so we have to go back to our first recordings of them to have a better chance to understand them in the future.
Мы живём на платформе, где много ячеек . эта платформа, построена несколько светлых цивилизаций. Архитектура созвездие Лира, Лебедь. Это некий парк. Где жили и делились опытом. Но её захватили. Чтобы вы понимали. Это как фильме пираты карибского моря. Захват был именно пиратами тёмными цивилизациями. Нексиктоиды, рептилоиды, архонты. Всё что имеем здесь, это жемчужина мироздания. Та самая жемчужина корабль.
I wonder if Dennis R. MacDonald who wrote books that claim the gospels barrow from Homer used your data base for research? I've seen some of his charts and they remind me of the mytheme charts you show in this video, but they only compare Homer and the Gospels' mythemes.
I'm so glad that you made this video but I wish you had it up when I first came upon your channel. Back then, I wanted to see what your scholarship was. I was flabbergasted at the facts about the consensus about myths (mostly about the Judeo Christian religions) that is known in academia, yet not in the wider public and I wanted to know if I could trust your claims, (of which I can). I have known for some time now about you being a respected academic, but I'm still amazed at what I've learned in this video!
Gobekli Tepe has sacred events and ritual happening at it, but the idea of a temple probably was not in the socieity's thoughts at the time it was made. Instead it is probably best looked at filling a gap in our knowledge of societal evolution as opposed to changing how we viewed that evolution.
@@Crecganford Did you mean to post this to some other comment?
Thanks for another fascinating video!! Like they all are!!
Thank you.
@@Crecganford You're welcome!!
Thanks, brilliant channel. 👍
Thank you so much.
Thank you for your explanation!
I follow your content since years and sometimes I wasn't sure, If I hearing esotoric nonsense.
I'm happy learning by a professionel.
Cheers from Germany!
Thank you.
Fantastic video. Have you read and what's your opinion on Robert Blust's "The Dragon and the Rainbow: Man's oldest story"? He was a well-known linguist for Southeast Asian languages (that's where I know him from) and had apparently written it in secrecy and it was posthumously published after his passing 2 years ago, but I haven't gotten around reading it.
A story based on the Rainbow Serpent, which is based on an old story indeed.
In my mid-sixties, I'm in the process of creating a family library for my grandchildren; can you please suggest a 10-12 book list on mythology?
I will be making a library tour video, that will definately give you some ideas.
Love your content
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Reincarnation 😮is it traceable to an origin myth? Learning language? Patriarchy predated by matriarchy. I love watching your studies🎉
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I love the teapots!
Do the Iliad and Odyssey qualify as myth even though they have a relatively recent setting? They seem to have many of the properties of myth vs. folk lore. Thanks
These Greek texts are definately myth, due to having gods within them. However, as these texts are so large, they may also contain folklore, and even history as well. Much like the Bible, a mythical book, but also contains folklore and some history.
The oldest myth is happening right now , a belief that some deity will come and sort us out whilst we blindly go into yet another disaster .
You are fucking amazing thank you for all your effort an especially with your oldest stroy's like were not from the moon
Thank you so much for your kind words
Science now think that the belief of an original langage or a single origin of human species in a pyramidal patern is no longer valid. It was much more complex. Does your research tend to prove that myths follow a different patern through time, from a single original story to numerous versions today ?
It is complex, and I will make a video to explain it in the future.
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Thank you so much for your support, it really is appreciated.
I can find no formal connection between myths/religions that I identify as 12+1 (12 sacred trees + mistletoe (killer of Baldar the blessed), 12 disciples + Jesus/Buddha (the blessed), 12 Ithacan suitors of Penelope ... possible connections 12 full moons making the months of the year + 1 full moon (the sun?) [The explanations of this mismatch between obvious evident timing of events, particularly among those who live so embedded in the annual passage of time seem to fall into sudden changes in the orbits of Earth and Moon in the time of humans or the use of the sexagesimal numbering system in which 12 works great - 13 not so well. For whatever reason, it is still 12+1]
Don't forget Medeia and her 12 scythian meduas.🧙♂️
12 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 12
@@KedgeDragon lol, you guys are tweaking. 12 is the number of joints on your fingers, excludi g your thumb. You have 5 fi gers on your other had 5 x 12 = 60. Viola, a clock. And, it's not making random shyt up. It what the numbers actually come from.🫨
@@Karatop420 That's all true. But what's the plus one and why does it appear in so many myths? There are 28 days between full moons and 13 full moons in a year. The 12 on the clock (actually 24) is fully made up.
@@AWSMcube Why I always drempt of teaching a class of twelve. But why the plus one?
Mytheins could be regarded as kind of specific memes in the way Dawkins described them?
Isn't it "the cosmic hunt"?
As a semiotician comparing narrative to DNA feels backward. Just building off of Propp, Greimas, and others it's hard not to see narrative as formally a language with semantics, syntax, denotation, and connotation. DNA's "code" is just a conceit since it's not a product of culture (code as defined by Eco, Lotman, Barthes, et. al.). I'll have to go over the papers cited for more context, though.
And Campbell's theoretical position gleefully collapses unique cultural characteristics into a culty mono-myth which seems more guilty of erasure than exposure. His whole project feels reductive and colonial to me.
Never too soon to hear from you.
ILLYRIANS!! Can you make a video on ILLYRIAN MYTHLOGY? :D
If it was a cultural, not a biological advantage that gave modern humans from 40k years ago the edge over all who came before, then why didn’t the earlier hominids simply copy their cultural innovations? They would have certainly been able to capture some of the “new” humans, and extract the necessary cultural information from them. The only reason I can think of why they didn’t is because of innate biological limitations.
Because their was a lack of intereactions between groups.
for us here north, the way home is and will always be the north star, south history shows we have all been precent in history, rest is bullshit.
and to tell a tale of myth, unihorn, was newer a horse but a whale, hunted by the norse and sold to the south.
narwhal, mythts become reality, as we did this.
Seapeople, dont have the option of seeing landcrabs evolution..
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is religion a result of extreme weather events
Extreme weather events were often explained by myth, which by their nature are sacred and so religious.
Are you a Pagan or Hermetic of some sorts?
Or do you believe in something Abrahamic?
I am very curious as to what you lean towards, as all this research, cannot possibly produce an Atheist, I'm not buying that.
How can I believe in a religion if every religious story told has an earlier version from an earlier culture. Religion is man made, and so there is no point in believe any of it.
@@Crecganford You have a point there, and if one has had no divine encounters, doubting any transcendence, is reasonable, from the objective world view of the scientist.
So, I guess that's what applies to you: Scientism (I did not just make the term up myself, it is a known concept).
But Scientism and Hermeticism are so similar, in that they ultimately imply all religions coming from one source, which is man. Hermeticists go a bit deeper though as this isn't seen as an outright refutation for belief, hypothesizing that there is one single transcendence which inspired the first religion (and all religions after it)... I guess they have a point, as Hermeticists seem to be quite gifted at reconciling what could, logically, be this essence, using comparative mythology. It works very well for me, too.
Though the twist is, that I don't think Hermetic practice is a religion in and of itself; its more like a perspective, and can be added to basically... anything, Atheism included.
Science obviously has proven its merit, if not, why would I watch? Putting it on a pedastal, may be problematic, though. Hermeticism basically achieves similar goals, complementary but slightly distinct, I cannot deny merit in this method either.
And as I have had divine encounters myself, in accord with Theology given in the Eddas, and my Germanic ancestry, I find it implausible my ancestors didn't have a point at all with their traditional faith, it greatly improved my mental health, even, just practicing Paganism... might sound like I fabricated the information, probably it does. But how come, a tradition which lay dead for a millenium, achieved what more than seven years of therapy (after which I just quit) and a dozen different medications could not tackle? There must be more to it than fiction.
So, would you identify yourself specifically Scientist, Atheist, Agnostic?
If so you would be the first I had no utter contempt for, rather I have a quite positive opinion of you. This would have some implications.
So, if religions are man made - Enlighten Me, if I have to reconcider my stance on one ore maybe multiple weltanschauungs.
I hope that's appropriate terminology as an umbrella term for irreligious and religious traditions.
I'm sorry, and maybe is simply DUE to differences in accent, but for the life of me I can't figure out WHAT is bein' SAID -- no matter HOW MANY times I closely relisten, and usually captions solves this problem, but it doesn't seem to be helping either -- here, @32:20 about something that is being found, lol! I'm sorry to even bother you at all about this; usually context clues are enough, for me to piece things together (should video captions not do the trick!) but...this one has got me stumped, LmMFaO
I’ll double check the captions.
0:30 yes it is. thats exactly what it is. How is that a bad thing? Why bother putting in this disclaimer?
Make it less than 20 words😅😅😅
Still one of the best things we have left to enjoy in this late dtage capitalist dystopia
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