@@twilightravens9798 Going from 1600 mhz cl 6 to 2400mhz cl 12 ram nets me between 10 and 15% higher draw calls on the FX platform. Give it a try sometime on a bench like Futurmark's api overhead feature test. In absence of other bottlenecks , this can really show itself in certain gaming situations.
I'm still using my FX8350 with a GTX970. I'm not playing games in 4k, but I have no major issues at 1080. As an added bonus, my office at home is always warm thanks to the heat this CPU throws out. Love these old tech meets new tech videos!! Thanks!
I run an AMD 9590FX with a 1080TI founders. The old AMD 8 core holds strong on Every Game i throw at it - ultra settings with 1080p and almost full ultra on 1440p . I have held off for years on upgrading because i see no point as of now.
I've had my FX-8350 OC'd to 4.5Ghz for 5 years now and paired with an RX 480. I'm using the Asus Crosshair mobo and I've tweaked the hell out of it. 2133Mhz RAM, 110MHz PCI frequency, core parking off, etc, etc. I play Forza Motorsport 7 at 4K High to Ultra settings, GTA V 3K High Settings, Modern Warfare 4K at 70% resolution, Apex Legends at 3K High Settings, BF4 4K 80% resolution. All games play comfortably at 60FPS while I have UA-cam going on my other monitor. I just bought an EVGA 980Ti SC for $175, so I'll see how things go with it.
I was doing something similar with my PC about a year ago. I was able to get a 1080 8gb one for cheap and paired it with an AMD FX 8350 and 16gb of ram. Everything was good for the most part until I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 2600 earlier this year and definitely saw the difference.
I was debating with so many people about the FX-9590 (all be it overpriced) with a Geforce 1080 at 4k/1440p and people said I couldn't. Thank you for releasing the video. I'm so glad people can see I was correct about this matter!
been running a 8350 with a 1080 for some time now clocked @ 4,4 with 24gig ram, with 4k screen, didnt have a problem temps were all below 50 on gta5 ,after the year i may give it a ryzen upgrade but that means dd4 mem new cooler new board! no wonder we still run these chips!
Also keep in mind I was running these processors at stock. An FX processor at 5GHz would certainly improve things - albeit with significantly hotter core temps.
You could still have a much better experience with a better platform. Those 1% low and 0.1% low figures are abominable. Glad you're enjoying your computer though.
I just jumped from an FX-8350 to a Ryzen 5 3600X both running 16GB of RAM whilst paired with a GTX 970. And I must say that the FX still worked surprisingly well but now with Ryzen I can't recommend it unless you are already on the platform.
Sick coincidence! I did exactly the same thing a few days ago. I had to wait for an new mobo so I took my watercooled 2080ti and paired it with the FX 8320.
Ok, look. I'm a bit of an AMD fan boy, so of course I am biased. But as someone who once owned an FX-8350, you really should have overclocked the 8320E. The base clock of the 8320E is 3.2GHz. On my FX-8350 the base clock was 4.0GHz. Even still, overclocking my FX-8350 to 4.5GHz, plus overclocking the HT and NB to 2.6, and running at least 1866 DDR3 really did help the frame rates, and this overclock is what I got on air! Overclocking FX CPUs is pretty much a necessity if you are going to realistically use one for modern gaming. I paired mine with a Vega 56 and it performed fairly well once overclocked. Another cool thing about AM3+ is that there are actually motherboards that support NVMe drives (e.g. the Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0), though the PCIe 2.0 bottleneck is still there. And you also get ECC support! I ended up going for 32GB of ECC DDR3 at 1866 MHz along with my overclock (which was 24hr stable through stress tests). I eventually replaced my SATA SSD with an Optane PCIe SSD, and now my nephew uses it as a gaming PC.
I used an FX8350 for four years up until earlier this year, and for the last year or two I paired it with an RX 580. I upgraded to a new Ryzen 7 3700X a few months ago and in most cases it doubled my framerates. I never tried an OC though as at stock temps were crazy high but I do remember hearing they were amazing overclocking chips!
@@OMGITSDG Yes, I'm running mine at 4 GHz (which btw is just the single core turbo speed) with plenty of headroom left. More power added when needed. But I don't have a RTX2080 lying around to test it 😂
@@OMGITSDG Well, not really. It hasn't seen much use in the past five years or so. Some occasional video editing here and there, didn't really get around to gaming in the past years. Render times don't really matter. I just like that thing 😂. Like the idea of squeezing some more power out of it if necessary. There's just no real reason to upgrade for me.
@@robine5280 I'm kind of on the same page here, 4690k does what it should do paired with 4gb 960 but man I really bought a computer at the wrong time. NVME and ddr4 was kind of new and very expensive and the jump from Kepler to Pascal was pretty big, but it'll be fine for at least another year or so
Since you got such a fine FX system and those interesting numbers, maybe you could also test properly overclocked FX system? NB speed to 2600, memory as fast as possible, CPU at around 4.2-4.5, you know the drill.
@@GregSalazar why not, this will also show how much progress AMD have made in last years. Point is FX8320 is ok for dx12 titles with some slight overclock, mostly memory related and miles ahead of core i3s of that era, which 8-threaded FXs was price competitor (and also greatly recommended by a lot of reviewers).
@@GregSalazar and Ryzen 1, 1+,2 and 3! great idea! I'm glad you came up with it! xD I mean just adding OC FX to the numbers you already got here. But to be fair FX is very dead platform and should be only in our memory.
@@Gamevet lol that video is so old now I doubt the g4560 would win anymore because of the new games coming out like cyberpunk and AC Valhalla and let's not talk about how core heavy the games now are either
FX is at it's best overclocked. That FX 8320E is lacking about 50% in CB score i'd expect from FX 83## system properly setup. You can get to around 800CB on a FX system. That is still more than good enough for 1080p gaming. Just working on building 1x FX-8350 and 2x FX 9590 systems :) FX systems sell like hot pancakes around here, and for more money than equivalent ryzen systems oO;
Exactly, its weird to see supposed tech enthusiasts not understand what they are working with. That CPU/Cooler combination is good for 1ghz+ guaranteed, lets see if the Ryzen chip manages that.. Also running the DDR3 at stock speeds when it can run 2000+ all day long and would be a much better comparison against DDR4 when paired with an NB overclock to match.
@@ickyconcrete5370 It is like he went out of his way to get worst case scenario for FX series. Should've at the very least used 8350. I failed to notice ram speeds either on this testing, wonder if he even ran it at 1600. Oh well, i see this perf out of FX-6100 CPUs regularly.
@@ickyconcrete5370 Uh... the Ryzen chip sits at 4.3Ghz in every game due to PBO and IPC performance is at minimum 50% higher. xD There is no case where an FX processor is a better buy. There were videos put up on youtube showcasing that the Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.9Ghz was equal to the FX 8370. Once that video dropped, FX officially died in my eyes. It's not a good processor in any scenario because why would you buy an FX chip when you can just go out and grab a Sandy Bridge i7 for the same price? xD Seriously dude, nothing about FX is at all relevant today and this video proves it. Stop living in the past and pretending that FX can be anything more than a mediocre processor *at best.*
@@imglidinhere That Ryzen isn't going to budge from 4.3 which is what the test was done at, so thats straight away an extra 35%+ for the FX chip when OC'd. I never said it would be a better buy, simply that this video is lame and inaccurate. I can make my 9900k behave worse than a PIII and make a video of it if you like, don't believe everything you see online. Recommending Sandy Bridge i7 in 2019, I can tell you are a man who doesn't like security patches! The FX setup right still plays 99% of games at 60+ fps high at 1080p, so yes it is still relevant. Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest.
@@ickyconcrete5370 No, there's no way in hell you can make your 9900K run worse than a Pentium 3. Sorry but the architectural improvements alone would net you a 300% improvement at the dead minimum. Also, even with security patches, Sandy STILL beats out FX. That's the sad part. The video is fine because it shows what everyone else has already proven to be true. The Ryzen processor at 4.3GHz is faster than an FX at 5GHz simply because of the architectural differences. What world do you live in that you think FX is at all more than a basic option on a dying/dead platform? My logic is that the Ryzen chip at stock settings doesn't *need* to go any higher because it's so far in superior that it's regularly doubling framerate. Even if the FX chip was overclocked to the maximum, it'd still be well below playable. Framerates don't show the real picture, frametimes DO. No, it actually can't handle 60FPS in most games because my Ryzen 5 2600 only sometimes manages that. Also pairing it with a GPU that more appropriate for the time, like a 1660, or a 1060 since we're talking about budget constraints, would show my point more than ever really. The processor isn't good. It's just not. It never was, it's basically a Phenom II IPC processor in 2019. Stop acting like that's decent. This GPU is the most unrealistic part of this testing. No one that can afford a 2080 Ti will use FX over any processor today. If you think otherwise, that's dumb and you should re-educate yourself. :P
I had an 8320e @ 4.4ghz, with 2 gtx 960/4gb cards in sli. On games with proper sli implementation I'd have 60-80 fps on high/ultra @1080p. That was my first and last sli build and ended up killing the 8320e (first time I've had a CPU die also). I just ordered an 8320 off eBay used for $50 shipped, resurrection in progress (maybe 580/590 for funzies). If you're building a budget used parts gaming rig the FX 83xx CPUs with 8 cores, unlocked over clocking and cheap pricing are worth considering.
Greg, maybe I missed it, or maybe you didn't give a reason. However, why did you change from Science Studio to Greg Salazar on YT? P.S. Love your content either way! Keep up the awesome work!
Be honest. You all knew what was coming, but you couldn't look away could you. Like that car that just broke down on the tracks, and the train is coming. You know darn well what the outcome is, but deep down, in the darkest recesses of your mind, you can't wait to see the carnage. Wow, I blacked out for a second there. What the hell did I just type...😮... *dials therapist* I'm currently in a somewhat similar situation, though, not nearly as bad. I've got a pretty dated system running a Core i7-4820K, with a GTX 1070 SC2. It's not horrible, but I definitely see the consistent spiking of my CPU. I'm hoping to catch some good deals throughout the holiday season. Regardless of the deals I find, there is a new build in my very near future. Might do an all AMD build and film it. Another great video Greg. Keep up the good work.
Hey! I actually work as a computer seller and many of you would also think our prices are overpriced for used hardware. We might sell that system for roughly about the same price. When I started at the company, I thought the same. "Damn are we expensive, why are people buying at our place?". However with some insight you may understand (at least our) overpricing a little bit. So: First of all before we even sell used hardware, we need to inspect it and clean it, with computers we normaly swap out harddrives etc... The guy/girl doing that needs time for that and also wants to feed his or her family. So we have to invest working hours to "refurbish" it. We also do this because, secondly, (since i'm from germany) we have to give, even on used hardware, one year of warranty. We also gladly do that and normaly the hardware does not break.. however we have to calculate so that if it does, we have a little leeway. Furthermore some of our used hardware we keep in store for years. If some other company runs maschines which only work with those pc parts, and they break down, we had them taking up our storagespace where we could have keept better selling parts for a long time. Storagespace is not free, and those costs should also be considered. Lastly about windows: We sell it for full price. Yeah it is true, we could get it for 20-50€ of ebay or rakuten or whatever, but we have to garuantee it works. If the Key is not working we, once again have to invest time to return it to the seller / get a new one etc. Most of the times we have to pay extra. So we rather play it save and just sell official, sealed Keys. If our costumers ask us why we are selling windows for that price we tell them exactly that, and also tell them that we are more than happy to sell them the product without a windows key, so they can buy one somewhere else. We're not mad at them for that. It's not like we have no leeway at all, so most our prices are on negotiating basis. But many people forgett, or don't know the before mentioned points. Some people also don't want to get technical and invest time to learn about computers and find good deals on them or do tinkering themselves. I mean I could theoretically learn how to fix my car myself, but I just have other things to do in my life so I bring my car to the workshop, and let it be fixed. I hope some of you understand at least the prices of our company. My boss does not want to scam people, but he also wants (at least I hope he wants) to pay his employees and me fairly.
I have an 8320, motherboard, graphics card, and 16GB of RAM that a friend gave me about a month ago but I haven't been able to build a computer yet because I need a power supply and case which I hope to be able to order next week. This will be a nice upgrade from the Core 2 Duo that I've had as my only computer for the past ten years. I'm hoping to be able to play a lot of games that I currently can't play due to hardware restrictions on my current PC.
I got my computer built not long after watching this video and have been using my 8320 for a year now. I'm going to keep using it until I can save up to upgrade to a Ryzen build. Still rocking my FX8320 in 2022.
When I upgraded from my old FX-8320 (no E) to my actual Ryzen 5 1600 in 2017 it was a night and day difference. Even the Windows GUI felt smoother on Zen architecture not talking about applications and games. And I only have a R9 Nano. I bought the FX despite its flaws but I was ready to switch to Intel after more than 17 years of AMD only if the Zen CPUs hadn't been as great as they are. Now I'm glad I waited even if the 1st Ryzen Gen still had some issues. If you still run a Bulldozer/Piledriver CPU upgrade ASAP. It will feel like salvation.
2:00 it wasn't always like this. Software developers changed it like 3 years ago. Before that all this software, including Cinebench was showing 8 cores / 8 threads. EDIT: I bought the first Bulldozer, remember testing it and it was noted as 8 cores everywhere.
I upgraded to a ryzen 5 2600x and put a pc together for my wife with my old fx 8350 with an rx 580. I've heard no complaints from her (other than some graphics driver issues I needed to sort out cuz AMD).
@Falco Gaming ya I had been using it in SLI in my PC but he didn't have a dedicated GPU (6yo prebuilt from bestbuy) we had to use a separate PSU just for the GPU and I had to jump start the 24pin on the 2nd PSU but it worked
I just upgraded from an FX 8350 to a Ryzen 3600x with an RX 5700 video card (X570, M.2, nice RAM, AIO liquid cooler and an SSD storage/game drive): OMG it is so quiet and fast! That being said, it is kinda cool that a 7 year-old system still ran modernish games at 1080P. I was initially worried that my computer was way too quiet and was probably going to need MOAR FANS so it didn't reach obscene temps. Now I'm thinking the 120mm case fan I relocated to the top of the case to accommodate the 280mm Corsair AIO cooler in the front is overkill. The 5700 sometimes cranks up a little, but is more like a white noise generator than a 747 spooling up and I gave up looking at temperature monitoring software because nothing gets terribly hot. Also amazed at how good cases have become (and so inexpensive). $65ish Phanteks case made it easy to do cable management (not a fanboi and I am sure there are better, but to me was a great value). Having not built up a desktop computer in over half a decade, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was. It just worked! My only gripe is that it is almost 2020 and there should be a standardized case to motherboard connection jack.
I am using it because I got it for free from a friend moving away, in a mystery computer that wouldn't turn on. I took a chance and tried to get anything to work with the cpu and ram, and low and behold the whole issue was the motherboard. so a swaperoo later I had my first gaming PC up and running for no money, I spent a bit of time and love getting everything nice and ready for long term use and it's served me well! but I do acknowledge that it's not something I should buy today. in my case of not having a good gaming desktop at all (any desktop I own is too slow to play anything well) getting essentially a free computer on this platform, was pretty Poggers and it's great with the games I own, which is mainly titles that sorta run on lower end hardware so this thing actually likes the games I play
I have done some weird combos just because I could. I put a RX 480 8gb in a Core 2 Quad with only 4 Gigs of DDR2 RAM. I have also put a 750ti in an old Pentium 4 Dell Optiplex 320 that I managed to put a 2 Ghz Dual Core & 2 gigs of DDR400 ram with windows xp. Both of those computers have a Video Card way more powerful than they need but all & all they work better than i expected. Old outdated Frankenstein builds are my favorite lol
In 2016 I bought a used hp p6710f pc with an athlon ll 640 with 4 gb of ram memory, with integrated graphics I was quite happy, but one day my son told me I want to play call of duty, we put the game on and it couldn't be played, So I changed the motherboard and put the FX 8320E with 32 GB of memory with the GTX 1060 6 GB Asus Rog Strix and I played everything
Still running an FX8350 and most things I can max out and stay around 60fps at 1440p excluding a couple of random, poorly optimized titles I wouldn't tell someone to buy one brand new but I still don't understand all of the hate for this CPU, it's still a viable chip if you don't have the money to drop on the outrageously priced hardware that's available today. I'm gonna go Ryzen on my next build unless intel drops prices alot, however I'm still very happy with my FX and my RX 480, they were both great budget purchases and there isn't a whole lot that they can't do!
I use the 8320e, still love it. My cheap graphics card is where my bottleneck is, sadly. the FX cpu is pretty incredible for the money, however, if you're putting this kind of money in the GFX card, the cpu should be equal or better imo, so I agree 100%.
Couldn't disagree more with the general statement that FX processors are not worth it or "You're still on DDR3 for Pete's sake". I have an ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z, FX-9590 cooled with H80i V2, 16 GB Corsair Vengeance pro Series (11-13-13) and just upgraded the STRIX-R9390-DC3OC-8GD5-GAMING GPU to a PowerColor Red Devil RX 5700 XT. I am getting 60fps @ 4k just turning one or two things down from ultra in Gears5, BL3, Forza Horizon 4. The built in bench marking in Gears5 and Forza Horizon 4 both show I am still GPU bound over 90% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I am planning to go to a 3rd Gen Ryzen system soon, but this specific FX based system is still going strong!
I have one too and just mixed it with an AORUS AMD Radeon RT 6800 XT and the results are stunning.Shadow Of The Tomb Raider in 1440P in Ultra high settings goes to 148 FRPS.
Been using an OC 8350 and a gtx 970 for years now. For what I play I honestly can say it’s not all that bad. I build pc’s for other people all the time both better and worse than my own, but as much as I want to sit down upgrade my mild 4.3ghz core clock OC is really all I need to do what I do consistently.
I have a HTPC with a FX 8370 and a GTX 980 FTW. A little power hungry. My 20TB Unraid NAS is running on a FX 8350 with 16gb ECC ram. Used parts lying around my workshop. Great for a plex server. Not worth it to upgrade it to Ryzen, don't use VMs much.
I like to correct you (maybe again or other youtuber) the 4 core 8 thread for bulldozer is a special case MS actually intentionally made a bulldozer patch (scheduler update (KB2645594)) for bulldozer based fx cpus as 4 core 8 thread so the task schedule could treated like smt or HT so not to put different work on same module witch would result in upto 50% performance penalty (on bulldozer most effective way was to change module count to 4m/4c from 4m/8c in the bios so it dedicated 1 core per each module and stopped the sharing, as if the cpu was loaded past 50% poor/inconsistent performance from games and applications can happen ) And as a second bulldozer patch (core parking scheduler update (KB2646060) ) when windows was loading up threads on any core but due to poor layout of bulldozer the power up from idle had to be done as module 1-2-3 and then 4 so if Windows puts work on module 4 the first 3 modules had to be fully powered up burning a lot of power and prevented the cpu from fully powering down Useful reads about this anandtech goes into good detail on this www.anandtech.com/show/5448/the-bulldozer-scheduling-patch-tested Windows 8 and 10 have the patch built into to correct module count as core + 2 logical threads per module for the older FX chips but not for the Type A cpus (even thought it should treat all type A and FX as based on there module count) If the cpu is I believe piledriver based cpus it doesn't split up the "core assist" cores up on each module in windows (but personally it should)
The FX8320 not E with a heavy overclock isn't a terrible processor in 2020 but that being said with a 2080ti in play its quickly overwhelmed. Comparing the 3800x and the 8320E is like comparing a Prius to a Enzo. I'm running one now at 4.6Ghz and it's still pulling minimum 60fps on nearly everything modern
I'm still using my 8320 cpu, yes sure it's about to be changed out but i can see the logic in changing first to a better graphics card and save up some money for a good cpu motherboard and memory. Gpu prices are too high in my opinion. When i bought my fx8320 i pared it with a hd7950, so to step up to a 2080 ti is massive preformance difference
Thank you, I have an older system, even older than the FX system and was wondering if I should go for a CPU upgrade first or a GPU upgrade first. I just can't afford to do both at the same time right now, so it looks like I'll be going for the CPU upgrade first. For giggles, I would love to see what a newer AMD CPU could do with an AMD 5770HD video card as thats what I am dealing with right now.
I have a fx 6300 overclocked to 4.4ghz paired with a 1050ti and 24 GB ram. Most games seem to be rocking anywhere from 54-90fps on most modern games medium/high settings in 2023. Until I can upgrade to another board and chip this will have to do.
Why does every1 like to make fun of the fx series? If you can find them for a good price they are still good budget gaming platforms. I bought a Gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 motherboard, 16gb ddr3 ram, and a fx 6300 with coolermaster hyper 212 for only 80$ which is a very good price. I am running this system with my gtx 1050 rn. I plan on going to the "8 core" processor and an rx 480 in the future. But as of right now I can game just fine at 1080p high settings 60fps.
What about Vulkan titles like Doom 2016? It should be seriously higher. Ofc it is not worth to buy a new fx system but if you already have a system like this, you can see surprisingly good performance with Vulkan powered games.
I still use my FX-8350@4.7 OC, Corsair H80i, Mobo: GA-990FXA-UD5 R5, 2x8 (1866mhz) ram, GTX 1070 Zotac, etc. On AC Odyssey, preset "High" (and few tweaks...) i got around of 60fps (1080p, ratio 16:9). Other titles, "every case is a different case"..., go to presets "High to Ultra"! OBS: for 60fps,1080p. I will wait the amd 4000 series launch to buy a 3600 rysen with better price! =D Always wait for a nice discount! =P
I'm now building a new computer with a Ryzen 7 3700X. I'm still using my FX-9590, which uses Win 7, because, according to the internet boards, my older games have a problem with Win 10. (Bioshock 1 and 2, Halflife, etc.)
My wife's system uses the FX 8320e. She is not a top of the line gamer so for now it works fine. Will probably get an SSD for it soon. Maybe next year look into upgrading all the way into Ryzen.
I had a FX-8320@4.5GHz w/16GB 2133 C9 paired with a Vega 56 (Flashed to Vega 64, undervolted, overclocked and upgraded cooling) since Nov of 2012. It was generally always "enough" so i never upgraded it, despite it being a placeholder system that i picked up for a very good value at the time (really wanted a i7-3770k to delid and overclock to 5GHz). I JUST now finally upgraded my system to a 3700x w/16GB 3600 C16 (2x8GB single rank, so when i upgrade it will run faster with 4x8GB single rank sticks and not slower vs 4x8GB dual rank sticks) with the same Vega 56. I didn't get nearly that bad frame rate (scores) in my tests and played Shadow of the Tomb Raider at around 45-60fps with the FX chip with "good" enough low 1% lows to never notice stutter. The FX chips at 4.4GHz+ and 1866 C7+ seam to really come alive compared to stock with 1600 ram. CineBench (15/20) shows a 2.9-3.3x improvement right off the bat. CB15 went from 714 to 2075, CB20 went from 1393 to 4710. 3DMark Time Spy jumped from 6036 to 7558. But the reason i finally upgraded was because new games with PS5 and Xbox Series X in mind don't really like the old architecture of the FX chip's and older systems like the PS4/Xbox as seen with Cyberpunk 2077, which i noticed stuttering with but still playable. The real reason was because the CAD work i'm doing is starting to get intensive and sometimes started to really drag with the old CPU.
I have an i7 4790k paired with a gtx 1080ti and would like to hear some recommendations if I should upgrade now or later? I think a ryzen 7 3700X would be nice but I don'tt know how much RAM I should buy.
@@Schattennebel unfortunately my old CPU has been the reason why I can't play things such as The Other Worlds or even PUBG. I need an upgrade. Hopefully this holidays I will. My GTX 1070 needs to be able to stretch its legs.
The only reason that I went FX last February was because I found a guy selling a Sabertooth 990FX r.20, Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3, two FX-8350 CPUs and eight 4GB sticks of DDR3 1600MHZ for $110. He was even in the SAME TOWN! So, if you treat 4 sticks of RAM as a set, each component was $18. $55 for each Board/CPU/RAM setup. Not too bad.
I have a 1055T probably worst than the 8320E, but is paired with a 560Ti , once i tried an GTX 1080 and tested a few games, the biggest change was on The Witcher 3, from barely running at 30fps on the lowest settings to run a 60+fps on ultra. I'm guessing that a 1060 or 470/570 would be and decent upgrade, but earning 30$ monthly it just doesn't help. Cheers.
Well i dont play games i only watch videos and do office stuff and some Virtual Machine things.. so i am still happy with my fx 8350.. The prices for update is very high atm in my country..
I know the bottleneck would still exist, but a overclock would have helped it a lot. People never run the fx series at stock they always overclock it. It would have slightly stabilized these results.
@@altielmaltiel6238 That statement is very much bullshit. It would never decrease the life by that much. It would have to be a very aggressive overclock even then it would only take off a year or two at worst. It wouldn't be as drastic as you exaggerate.
I'm using a FX 8150 with a RX 5700 XT I feel like I already get good performance at 1080p, I wonder how much it will improve when I get a R 3600 in two weeks!
Just picked one of these up from eBay for £25 to drop into my old, but still viable, sim racing rig (iRacing, & Assetto Corsa mainly). Should pair nicely with the 1050Ti I have in there and be a decent upgrade for my existing Phenom II X4 955 which does occasionally bog down - particularly in Assetto Corsa. I doubt those old game engines are going to make much use of 8 threads so I might disable 2 cores to reduce heat or give me a little more room for overclocking.
It would be interesting to see a comparison with an upgrade package (CPU, motherboard, RAM and GPU) that costs the same amount as the RTX2080Ti by itself.
Interesting video!! Alot of people are still running FX chips. New games still rely heavily on single core performance. We probably wont see more games taking advantage of multithread games till after PS5 comes out. Then maybe FX will find new leg at 4K?? probably not, and Ryzen is such a boost in performance and at a value price, it's just time to upgrade.
My combo AMD FX8370 on Asus Sabertooth R3.0 with Aorus RTX 2060 Super / 16GB 2400Mhz DDR3 ( Team Group ) / Crucial P1 M.2 SSD. My display is a samsung c43j890 with 3840 x 1200 pixel . This is a bit more then 2K and i can run all games @ Ultra with 60 FPS ( V-Sync ). @ the time of FX Intel was better but today Win10 and software utilizes the real eight cores even in four modules so great.
I would love to see an FX-8320 up against a Ryzen 3 in 1080p video editing. For what I do, editing UA-cam videos at 1080p, and sometimes even 4K renders, my 8320 with a 1060 does alright. It hates 3D renders such as 3D text or things like that though. Believe it or not, Roblox is where my 8320 really suffers. Roblox's optimzation for the client is bad and tries to load everything it can on the CPU, despite the fact that there is a GTX-1060 fully capable of reaching over 100 fps in all games on the platform.
I had a FX-8320 OC'd to 4.2GHz paired with a R9 290, and 32GB DDR3, along with a 990FXA-UD3--used to get similar results in games at 1080p. That's why I ultimately decided to retired it just over a year ago for a R2700X, GTX 1080 (just before the launch of the RTX cards, and price hikes), 64GB DDR4. I keep debating whether it's worth testing out my 2700X with the R9 290, and the even older HD7950 (which I still have in storage). Other than that, I'm thinking about finding a purple case, throwing the old hardware in it, and giving it to my 8 y/o niece. She's basically copying and getting into the things that I am (tech, plastic models, gaming, music), and into some racing games as well as simulators--whether it's Euro Truck SImulator or Burnout Paradise. I always dreamed of having a PC at that age in the mid 90s. I guess you always try to give the next generation opportunities you yourself never had.
dunno, i have 8350 paired with RX 570 and 16Gb 1600 ram...and im really satisfied with overall performances in modern games. Not changing platform until CPU and MB dies, yes both in same time :)
I'm still rocking a i7-2700k at 4.5Ghz with a GTX970 on a Asus P8Z68 Deluxe motherboard. Still getting decent frame rates in most games too. An upgrade is due, but with a limited budget. It really depends on the games you play. I tend to rock RTS and isometric ARPG type games that are CPU intensive. So the money would definitely be better placed on CPU/Motherboard/RAM, other than purchasing a new card. I'm drooling over the RTX2070Super but priorities first I guess.
Craisglist sellers be like: ULTIMATE GAMING PC $5,OOO!!!!!!
FeelTheBirdie DESTROYS ANY 4K GAME ULTRA SETTING FORTNITE GAMING MACHINE!!
You mean Grace Computers, right?
@@mayonotes9849 , I smell a lawsuit coming :p
damn it looks weird with the zeros replaced with 'O's.
You must watch Timmy Joe
FX 8320E, a true 8k gaming CPU.
Sad but true
Games use the CPU too. So the CPU does do more than just send out the GPU frames. So 8k it would work but hell no
He used ddr3-1600 that was the only problem!
DDR3 1600 isn't really bottlenecking the FX CPU, the problem is the FX chip is bottlenecking itself and FX doesn't really scale with RAM at all.
@@twilightravens9798 Going from 1600 mhz cl 6 to 2400mhz cl 12 ram nets me between 10 and 15% higher draw calls on the FX platform. Give it a try sometime on a bench like Futurmark's api overhead feature test. In absence of other bottlenecks , this can really show itself in certain gaming situations.
Great, now pair an i9 9900k with a voodo gfx
Kjel tek Vodoo cards were all AGP, so sadly not possible
I wish is kept all my old cards.
Started off with a Voodoo.
Would have a nice collection by now but it never crossed my mind to keep stuff.
I wonder how much more powerful even 9900k's iGPU is lol.
@@monsalai That is where you are wrong not all VooDoo cards was AGP
laststopformadness Which ones weren’t? If some were PCI then there are B450 boards with PCI slots...
It’s struggling to maintain 60 FPS nowadays in some games (albeit max settings) with the fastest consumer card right now. Dang...
Hey Ozi !
That makes sense to me. This CPU is a derivative of a mid tier chip that was released 5 + years ago.
I wouldn't even pair this thing with a GTX 1060.
@@CaveyMoth nah, 1060 is a decent match.
I've got a 970 with an FX 6300. 1060 is right around that level.
My Intel box is barely faster.
You think thats bad, the i3's at the time were around the same price point - you dont want to see how those dual cores are doing these days.
I'm still using my FX8350 with a GTX970. I'm not playing games in 4k, but I have no major issues at 1080. As an added bonus, my office at home is always warm thanks to the heat this CPU throws out. Love these old tech meets new tech videos!! Thanks!
I run an AMD 9590FX with a 1080TI founders. The old AMD 8 core holds strong on Every Game i throw at it - ultra settings with 1080p and almost full ultra on 1440p . I have held off for years on upgrading because i see no point as of now.
I've had my FX-8350 OC'd to 4.5Ghz for 5 years now and paired with an RX 480. I'm using the Asus Crosshair mobo and I've tweaked the hell out of it. 2133Mhz RAM, 110MHz PCI frequency, core parking off, etc, etc. I play Forza Motorsport 7 at 4K High to Ultra settings, GTA V 3K High Settings, Modern Warfare 4K at 70% resolution, Apex Legends at 3K High Settings, BF4 4K 80% resolution. All games play comfortably at 60FPS while I have UA-cam going on my other monitor.
I just bought an EVGA 980Ti SC for $175, so I'll see how things go with it.
@@embeddedgenius3844 very nice
FX haters be like, "No!! Stop having fun wrong!!!!!"
"You're still on DDR3 for Pete's sake"
*Sad 4790k sounds*
4790k is still a really capable cpu
Cries in Xeon E5 1680 V2 @ 4.6ghz
@@Bengy22 quad core for literally years with minor upgrades along the way
I7-7700 same fps ddr3 or ddr4
@Innocentious yeah I'm making a joke at how it still can smash modern i5's
I see "I paired an FX" I click
I paired an fx 6300 with a gtx 1070
@@jordanwardle11 i paired my FX 6300 with a 1080ti
@@jordanwardle11 How is the performance???
@@gamerrn8015 everything ran but it was a huge bottleneck
I was doing something similar with my PC about a year ago. I was able to get a 1080 8gb one for cheap and paired it with an AMD FX 8350 and 16gb of ram. Everything was good for the most part until I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 2600 earlier this year and definitely saw the difference.
I was debating with so many people about the FX-9590 (all be it overpriced) with a Geforce 1080 at 4k/1440p and people said I couldn't.
Thank you for releasing the video. I'm so glad people can see I was correct about this matter!
Ahh, swapped away from my 9590 last year! Was quite the processor!
been running a 8350 with a 1080 for some time now clocked @ 4,4 with 24gig ram, with 4k screen, didnt have a problem temps were all below 50 on gta5 ,after the year i may give it a ryzen upgrade but that means dd4 mem new cooler new board! no wonder we still run these chips!
Also keep in mind I was running these processors at stock. An FX processor at 5GHz would certainly improve things - albeit with significantly hotter core temps.
sorry, but wasn't the conclusion of the video that the old FX sucked (in comparison) and severely bottlenecks the GPU?
You could still have a much better experience with a better platform. Those 1% low and 0.1% low figures are abominable. Glad you're enjoying your computer though.
I just jumped from an FX-8350 to a Ryzen 5 3600X both running 16GB of RAM whilst paired with a GTX 970. And I must say that the FX still worked surprisingly well but now with Ryzen I can't recommend it unless you are already on the platform.
Now over clock the hell out of that FX and run it again.
yeah, no shit, needs at least 4.5-4.6 to really show its worth...
8370e at 4.5 !
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Had an 8350 at 5ghz and it was still shit
@@lamort223able Same here lol
@@tonymontalvo2004 😂😂😂
This was just for science and I loved it!
Sick coincidence! I did exactly the same thing a few days ago. I had to wait for an new mobo so I took my watercooled 2080ti and paired it with the FX 8320.
I almost did exactly the same thing when I got my RX 5700xt. I wanted to put it in my fx 8350 system
Well, why hello there, Greg Salzzz
Ok, look. I'm a bit of an AMD fan boy, so of course I am biased. But as someone who once owned an FX-8350, you really should have overclocked the 8320E. The base clock of the 8320E is 3.2GHz. On my FX-8350 the base clock was 4.0GHz. Even still, overclocking my FX-8350 to 4.5GHz, plus overclocking the HT and NB to 2.6, and running at least 1866 DDR3 really did help the frame rates, and this overclock is what I got on air! Overclocking FX CPUs is pretty much a necessity if you are going to realistically use one for modern gaming. I paired mine with a Vega 56 and it performed fairly well once overclocked. Another cool thing about AM3+ is that there are actually motherboards that support NVMe drives (e.g. the Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0), though the PCIe 2.0 bottleneck is still there. And you also get ECC support! I ended up going for 32GB of ECC DDR3 at 1866 MHz along with my overclock (which was 24hr stable through stress tests). I eventually replaced my SATA SSD with an Optane PCIe SSD, and now my nephew uses it as a gaming PC.
I used an FX8350 for four years up until earlier this year, and for the last year or two I paired it with an RX 580. I upgraded to a new Ryzen 7 3700X a few months ago and in most cases it doubled my framerates. I never tried an OC though as at stock temps were crazy high but I do remember hearing they were amazing overclocking chips!
Wow u actually made a video on it and actually did it in 4k to give the fx cpu a chance
"oH YoU doN't Say?"
LOL Love the internal dialogue Greg.
I can't even imagine running RDR2
Yes plz he need try that!
8350 and vega 64, 1440p everything maxed i get around 30-40 fps, generally smooth game play.
Have a rx590 it scares me
@@nabidisla.5086 match that with an FX 9590 and keep a fire extenguisher near by
I have an fx 4300 and I can run it. So I have high hopes 😂
Now overclock it and try again. I would love to see what you can get out of this thing.
TLDR: 4ghz with ease = about 25% extra is what you can get.
@@OMGITSDG Yes, I'm running mine at 4 GHz (which btw is just the single core turbo speed) with plenty of headroom left. More power added when needed. But I don't have a RTX2080 lying around to test it 😂
@@robine5280 I see, ever thought of an upgrade?
@@OMGITSDG Well, not really. It hasn't seen much use in the past five years or so. Some occasional video editing here and there, didn't really get around to gaming in the past years. Render times don't really matter.
I just like that thing 😂. Like the idea of squeezing some more power out of it if necessary. There's just no real reason to upgrade for me.
@@robine5280 I'm kind of on the same page here, 4690k does what it should do paired with 4gb 960 but man I really bought a computer at the wrong time. NVME and ddr4 was kind of new and very expensive and the jump from Kepler to Pascal was pretty big, but it'll be fine for at least another year or so
Since you got such a fine FX system and those interesting numbers, maybe you could also test properly overclocked FX system? NB speed to 2600, memory as fast as possible, CPU at around 4.2-4.5, you know the drill.
Are you also gonna ask me to do the same with Ryzen? Or no? 😂 Be consistent.
@@GregSalazar why not, this will also show how much progress AMD have made in last years. Point is FX8320 is ok for dx12 titles with some slight overclock, mostly memory related and miles ahead of core i3s of that era, which 8-threaded FXs was price competitor (and also greatly recommended by a lot of reviewers).
@@GregSalazar and Ryzen 1, 1+,2 and 3! great idea! I'm glad you came up with it! xD
I mean just adding OC FX to the numbers you already got here. But to be fair FX is very dead platform and should be only in our memory.
@@Snowman312 It got it's ass spanked by the 2500K and the Pentium G4560. End the suffering.
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@@Gamevet lol that video is so old now I doubt the g4560 would win anymore because of the new games coming out like cyberpunk and AC Valhalla and let's not talk about how core heavy the games now are either
FX is at it's best overclocked. That FX 8320E is lacking about 50% in CB score i'd expect from FX 83## system properly setup. You can get to around 800CB on a FX system.
That is still more than good enough for 1080p gaming.
Just working on building 1x FX-8350 and 2x FX 9590 systems :) FX systems sell like hot pancakes around here, and for more money than equivalent ryzen systems oO;
Exactly, its weird to see supposed tech enthusiasts not understand what they are working with. That CPU/Cooler combination is good for 1ghz+ guaranteed, lets see if the Ryzen chip manages that..
Also running the DDR3 at stock speeds when it can run 2000+ all day long and would be a much better comparison against DDR4 when paired with an NB overclock to match.
@@ickyconcrete5370 It is like he went out of his way to get worst case scenario for FX series. Should've at the very least used 8350.
I failed to notice ram speeds either on this testing, wonder if he even ran it at 1600.
Oh well, i see this perf out of FX-6100 CPUs regularly.
@@ickyconcrete5370 Uh... the Ryzen chip sits at 4.3Ghz in every game due to PBO and IPC performance is at minimum 50% higher. xD There is no case where an FX processor is a better buy. There were videos put up on youtube showcasing that the Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.9Ghz was equal to the FX 8370. Once that video dropped, FX officially died in my eyes. It's not a good processor in any scenario because why would you buy an FX chip when you can just go out and grab a Sandy Bridge i7 for the same price? xD Seriously dude, nothing about FX is at all relevant today and this video proves it. Stop living in the past and pretending that FX can be anything more than a mediocre processor *at best.*
@@imglidinhere That Ryzen isn't going to budge from 4.3 which is what the test was done at, so thats straight away an extra 35%+ for the FX chip when OC'd.
I never said it would be a better buy, simply that this video is lame and inaccurate.
I can make my 9900k behave worse than a PIII and make a video of it if you like, don't believe everything you see online. Recommending Sandy Bridge i7 in 2019, I can tell you are a man who doesn't like security patches!
The FX setup right still plays 99% of games at 60+ fps high at 1080p, so yes it is still relevant. Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest.
@@ickyconcrete5370 No, there's no way in hell you can make your 9900K run worse than a Pentium 3. Sorry but the architectural improvements alone would net you a 300% improvement at the dead minimum. Also, even with security patches, Sandy STILL beats out FX. That's the sad part.
The video is fine because it shows what everyone else has already proven to be true. The Ryzen processor at 4.3GHz is faster than an FX at 5GHz simply because of the architectural differences. What world do you live in that you think FX is at all more than a basic option on a dying/dead platform? My logic is that the Ryzen chip at stock settings doesn't *need* to go any higher because it's so far in superior that it's regularly doubling framerate. Even if the FX chip was overclocked to the maximum, it'd still be well below playable. Framerates don't show the real picture, frametimes DO.
No, it actually can't handle 60FPS in most games because my Ryzen 5 2600 only sometimes manages that. Also pairing it with a GPU that more appropriate for the time, like a 1660, or a 1060 since we're talking about budget constraints, would show my point more than ever really. The processor isn't good. It's just not. It never was, it's basically a Phenom II IPC processor in 2019. Stop acting like that's decent. This GPU is the most unrealistic part of this testing. No one that can afford a 2080 Ti will use FX over any processor today. If you think otherwise, that's dumb and you should re-educate yourself. :P
Who needs frame time graphic? Let’s just watch on the FPS counter. Great UA-cam channel 👍
The FX8320E was the first CPU i ever used when i first started buildng PC's along with the GTX 970 :)
Rocking my RX 580 and an FX 8350 and in getting 50-60fps on a mix of medium-high-ultra settings in Red Dead Redemption 2 at ultrawide resolution!
Your putting crap on a FX 8320E while I'm still running a FX 6300 lmao
Maybe a video on the best gpu we should consider using with FX systems would be more informative.
Damn, I wish my Athlon XP was still usable for games 7 years after it came out.
I had an 8320e @ 4.4ghz, with 2 gtx 960/4gb cards in sli. On games with proper sli implementation I'd have 60-80 fps on high/ultra @1080p. That was my first and last sli build and ended up killing the 8320e (first time I've had a CPU die also). I just ordered an 8320 off eBay used for $50 shipped, resurrection in progress (maybe 580/590 for funzies). If you're building a budget used parts gaming rig the FX 83xx CPUs with 8 cores, unlocked over clocking and cheap pricing are worth considering.
Somewhere in the world is a PC gamer with a FX cpu paired with a 2080ti and believes there are no bottlenecking haha
Got a really cheap 2080 and don't have more money to upgrade my mobo and cpu. Thank you for this.
Greg, maybe I missed it, or maybe you didn't give a reason. However, why did you change from Science Studio to Greg Salazar on YT? P.S. Love your content either way! Keep up the awesome work!
Be honest. You all knew what was coming, but you couldn't look away could you. Like that car that just broke down on the tracks, and the train is coming. You know darn well what the outcome is, but deep down, in the darkest recesses of your mind, you can't wait to see the carnage.
Wow, I blacked out for a second there. What the hell did I just type...😮... *dials therapist*
I'm currently in a somewhat similar situation, though, not nearly as bad. I've got a pretty dated system running a Core i7-4820K, with a GTX 1070 SC2. It's not horrible, but I definitely see the consistent spiking of my CPU. I'm hoping to catch some good deals throughout the holiday season. Regardless of the deals I find, there is a new build in my very near future. Might do an all AMD build and film it.
Another great video Greg. Keep up the good work.
Hey!
I actually work as a computer seller and many of you would also think our prices are overpriced for used hardware. We might sell that system for roughly about the same price. When I started at the company, I thought the same. "Damn are we expensive, why are people buying at our place?". However with some insight you may understand (at least our) overpricing a little bit. So:
First of all before we even sell used hardware, we need to inspect it and clean it, with computers we normaly swap out harddrives etc... The guy/girl doing that needs time for that and also wants to feed his or her family. So we have to invest working hours to "refurbish" it.
We also do this because, secondly, (since i'm from germany) we have to give, even on used hardware, one year of warranty. We also gladly do that and normaly the hardware does not break.. however we have to calculate so that if it does, we have a little leeway.
Furthermore some of our used hardware we keep in store for years. If some other company runs maschines which only work with those pc parts, and they break down, we had them taking up our storagespace where we could have keept better selling parts for a long time. Storagespace is not free, and those costs should also be considered.
Lastly about windows: We sell it for full price. Yeah it is true, we could get it for 20-50€ of ebay or rakuten or whatever, but we have to garuantee it works. If the Key is not working we, once again have to invest time to return it to the seller / get a new one etc. Most of the times we have to pay extra. So we rather play it save and just sell official, sealed Keys. If our costumers ask us why we are selling windows for that price we tell them exactly that, and also tell them that we are more than happy to sell them the product without a windows key, so they can buy one somewhere else. We're not mad at them for that.
It's not like we have no leeway at all, so most our prices are on negotiating basis. But many people forgett, or don't know the before mentioned points. Some people also don't want to get technical and invest time to learn about computers and find good deals on them or do tinkering themselves. I mean I could theoretically learn how to fix my car myself, but I just have other things to do in my life so I bring my car to the workshop, and let it be fixed.
I hope some of you understand at least the prices of our company. My boss does not want to scam people, but he also wants (at least I hope he wants) to pay his employees and me fairly.
I have an 8320, motherboard, graphics card, and 16GB of RAM that a friend gave me about a month ago but I haven't been able to build a computer yet because I need a power supply and case which I hope to be able to order next week. This will be a nice upgrade from the Core 2 Duo that I've had as my only computer for the past ten years. I'm hoping to be able to play a lot of games that I currently can't play due to hardware restrictions on my current PC.
I got my computer built not long after watching this video and have been using my 8320 for a year now. I'm going to keep using it until I can save up to upgrade to a Ryzen build. Still rocking my FX8320 in 2022.
When I upgraded from my old FX-8320 (no E) to my actual Ryzen 5 1600 in 2017 it was a night and day difference. Even the Windows GUI felt smoother on Zen architecture not talking about applications and games. And I only have a R9 Nano. I bought the FX despite its flaws but I was ready to switch to Intel after more than 17 years of AMD only if the Zen CPUs hadn't been as great as they are. Now I'm glad I waited even if the 1st Ryzen Gen still had some issues. If you still run a Bulldozer/Piledriver CPU upgrade ASAP. It will feel like salvation.
2:00 it wasn't always like this. Software developers changed it like 3 years ago. Before that all this software, including Cinebench was showing 8 cores / 8 threads. EDIT: I bought the first Bulldozer, remember testing it and it was noted as 8 cores everywhere.
I upgraded to a ryzen 5 2600x and put a pc together for my wife with my old fx 8350 with an rx 580. I've heard no complaints from her (other than some graphics driver issues I needed to sort out cuz AMD).
Im interested to see if using an Asus 990fx sabertooth makes a difference as it has a pcie 3.0 slot.
I did a 4170 and GTX 1080ti for a friend when we went to LTX2019
@Falco Gaming ya I had been using it in SLI in my PC but he didn't have a dedicated GPU (6yo prebuilt from bestbuy) we had to use a separate PSU just for the GPU and I had to jump start the 24pin on the 2nd PSU but it worked
i3 right? Mines paired with a 1050 and it’s still a bit of a bottle
@@Ethan-rz6cx yep the 1080ti never got more then 40% utilisation even benchmarking
Wow u guys like bottlnecks. What a waste of money a 1060 would give him same fps in games LMAO. U could give me the 1080ti.
@@strohhuttv8848 I just lent it to him for the LAN party he is now running a 2400g and 980ti combo got the 980ti super cheap used
I have the exact same CPU FX8320E. It's paired with an RX 470 4gb. 1080p 60fps all day long on most titles.
I just upgraded from an FX 8350 to a Ryzen 3600x with an RX 5700 video card (X570, M.2, nice RAM, AIO liquid cooler and an SSD storage/game drive): OMG it is so quiet and fast! That being said, it is kinda cool that a 7 year-old system still ran modernish games at 1080P. I was initially worried that my computer was way too quiet and was probably going to need MOAR FANS so it didn't reach obscene temps. Now I'm thinking the 120mm case fan I relocated to the top of the case to accommodate the 280mm Corsair AIO cooler in the front is overkill. The 5700 sometimes cranks up a little, but is more like a white noise generator than a 747 spooling up and I gave up looking at temperature monitoring software because nothing gets terribly hot. Also amazed at how good cases have become (and so inexpensive). $65ish Phanteks case made it easy to do cable management (not a fanboi and I am sure there are better, but to me was a great value). Having not built up a desktop computer in over half a decade, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was. It just worked! My only gripe is that it is almost 2020 and there should be a standardized case to motherboard connection jack.
I wonder if it can run the Rockstar launcher.
I am using it because I got it for free from a friend moving away, in a mystery computer that wouldn't turn on. I took a chance and tried to get anything to work with the cpu and ram, and low and behold the whole issue was the motherboard. so a swaperoo later I had my first gaming PC up and running for no money, I spent a bit of time and love getting everything nice and ready for long term use and it's served me well! but I do acknowledge that it's not something I should buy today. in my case of not having a good gaming desktop at all (any desktop I own is too slow to play anything well) getting essentially a free computer on this platform, was pretty Poggers and it's great with the games I own, which is mainly titles that sorta run on lower end hardware so this thing actually likes the games I play
Hopefully there's a revisit with overclocking (or 9590) to see if it helps any. Would make interesting content.
I have done some weird combos just because I could. I put a RX 480 8gb in a Core 2 Quad with only 4 Gigs of DDR2 RAM. I have also put a 750ti in an old Pentium 4 Dell Optiplex 320 that I managed to put a 2 Ghz Dual Core & 2 gigs of DDR400 ram with windows xp. Both of those computers have a Video Card way more powerful than they need but all & all they work better than i expected. Old outdated Frankenstein builds are my favorite lol
And here I was thinking my i7 7700 was old and needing an upgrade...
This was basically my old setup before upgrading to Ryzen 3rd gen. Had an AMD 8350 FX + GTX 1070 ti for quite awhile. Fun times
WE need more of this
In 2016 I bought a used hp p6710f pc with an athlon ll 640 with 4 gb of ram memory, with integrated graphics I was quite happy, but one day my son told me I want to play call of duty, we put the game on and it couldn't be played, So I changed the motherboard and put the FX 8320E with 32 GB of memory with the GTX 1060 6 GB Asus Rog Strix and I played everything
Still running an FX8350 and most things I can max out and stay around 60fps at 1440p excluding a couple of random, poorly optimized titles I wouldn't tell someone to buy one brand new but I still don't understand all of the hate for this CPU, it's still a viable chip if you don't have the money to drop on the outrageously priced hardware that's available today. I'm gonna go Ryzen on my next build unless intel drops prices alot, however I'm still very happy with my FX and my RX 480, they were both great budget purchases and there isn't a whole lot that they can't do!
Hey Greg, I just wanted to tell you that your last few videos have been really good! Keep up the great work, my friend :) Love the content!
I use the 8320e, still love it. My cheap graphics card is where my bottleneck is, sadly. the FX cpu is pretty incredible for the money, however, if you're putting this kind of money in the GFX card, the cpu should be equal or better imo, so I agree 100%.
FX series can overclock pretty easy to 4ghz. And most of people Who bought this overclock it to 4.5ghz
very interested video.... good stuff man
Couldn't disagree more with the general statement that FX processors are not worth it or "You're still on DDR3 for Pete's sake". I have an ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z, FX-9590 cooled with H80i V2, 16 GB Corsair Vengeance pro Series (11-13-13) and just upgraded the STRIX-R9390-DC3OC-8GD5-GAMING GPU to a PowerColor Red Devil RX 5700 XT. I am getting 60fps @ 4k just turning one or two things down from ultra in Gears5, BL3, Forza Horizon 4. The built in bench marking in Gears5 and Forza Horizon 4 both show I am still GPU bound over 90% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I am planning to go to a 3rd Gen Ryzen system soon, but this specific FX based system is still going strong!
Salazar was a very harsh dictator in Portugal history, I always think of that when I read your channels name
I have one too and just mixed it with an AORUS AMD Radeon RT 6800 XT and the results are stunning.Shadow Of The Tomb Raider in 1440P in Ultra high settings goes to 148 FRPS.
Been using an OC 8350 and a gtx 970 for years now. For what I play I honestly can say it’s not all that bad. I build pc’s for other people all the time both better and worse than my own, but as much as I want to sit down upgrade my mild 4.3ghz core clock OC is really all I need to do what I do consistently.
I see you're becoming a serious FX fan.
Good, good.
I have a HTPC with a FX 8370 and a GTX 980 FTW. A little power hungry.
My 20TB Unraid NAS is running on a FX 8350 with 16gb ECC ram. Used parts lying around my workshop. Great for a plex server. Not worth it to upgrade it to Ryzen, don't use VMs much.
A little
I like to correct you (maybe again or other youtuber) the 4 core 8 thread for bulldozer is a special case MS actually intentionally made a bulldozer patch (scheduler update (KB2645594)) for bulldozer based fx cpus as 4 core 8 thread so the task schedule could treated like smt or HT so not to put different work on same module witch would result in upto 50% performance penalty (on bulldozer most effective way was to change module count to 4m/4c from 4m/8c in the bios so it dedicated 1 core per each module and stopped the sharing, as if the cpu was loaded past 50% poor/inconsistent performance from games and applications can happen )
And as a second bulldozer patch (core parking scheduler update (KB2646060) ) when windows was loading up threads on any core but due to poor layout of bulldozer the power up from idle had to be done as module 1-2-3 and then 4 so if Windows puts work on module 4 the first 3 modules had to be fully powered up burning a lot of power and prevented the cpu from fully powering down
Useful reads about this anandtech goes into good detail on this
www.anandtech.com/show/5448/the-bulldozer-scheduling-patch-tested
Windows 8 and 10 have the patch built into to correct module count as core + 2 logical threads per module for the older FX chips but not for the Type A cpus (even thought it should treat all type A and FX as based on there module count)
If the cpu is I believe piledriver based cpus it doesn't split up the "core assist" cores up on each module in windows (but personally it should)
Everyone mentions the Breaking Bad shirt with Walters face, no one mentions the low key Breaking Bad shirt in this episode! Los Pollos Hermanos!
The FX8320 not E with a heavy overclock isn't a terrible processor in 2020 but that being said with a 2080ti in play its quickly overwhelmed.
Comparing the 3800x and the 8320E is like comparing a Prius to a Enzo.
I'm running one now at 4.6Ghz and it's still pulling minimum 60fps on nearly everything modern
Greg, Gus called. He wants his awesome shirt ironed!
I'm still using my 8320 cpu, yes sure it's about to be changed out but i can see the logic in changing first to a better graphics card and save up some money for a good cpu motherboard and memory. Gpu prices are too high in my opinion. When i bought my fx8320 i pared it with a hd7950, so to step up to a 2080 ti is massive preformance difference
Thank you, I have an older system, even older than the FX system and was wondering if I should go for a CPU upgrade first or a GPU upgrade first. I just can't afford to do both at the same time right now, so it looks like I'll be going for the CPU upgrade first.
For giggles, I would love to see what a newer AMD CPU could do with an AMD 5770HD video card as thats what I am dealing with right now.
I have a fx 6300 overclocked to 4.4ghz paired with a 1050ti and 24 GB ram. Most games seem to be rocking anywhere from 54-90fps on most modern games medium/high settings in 2023. Until I can upgrade to another board and chip this will have to do.
One could argue that a 8320e isn't a bad combo for 4k since the higher the resolution the less the cpu is used
Why does every1 like to make fun of the fx series? If you can find them for a good price they are still good budget gaming platforms. I bought a Gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 motherboard, 16gb ddr3 ram, and a fx 6300 with coolermaster hyper 212 for only 80$ which is a very good price. I am running this system with my gtx 1050 rn. I plan on going to the "8 core" processor and an rx 480 in the future. But as of right now I can game just fine at 1080p high settings 60fps.
What about Vulkan titles like Doom 2016? It should be seriously higher.
Ofc it is not worth to buy a new fx system but if you already have a system like this, you can see surprisingly good performance with Vulkan powered games.
I still use my FX-8350@4.7 OC, Corsair H80i, Mobo: GA-990FXA-UD5 R5, 2x8 (1866mhz) ram, GTX 1070 Zotac, etc. On AC Odyssey, preset "High" (and few tweaks...) i got around of 60fps (1080p, ratio 16:9). Other titles, "every case is a different case"..., go to presets "High to Ultra"! OBS: for 60fps,1080p.
I will wait the amd 4000 series launch to buy a 3600 rysen with better price! =D
Always wait for a nice discount! =P
I still own a FX-8370 system, though she's not my main rig anymore. I keep it around for nostalgia, lol!
I'm now building a new computer with a Ryzen 7 3700X. I'm still using my FX-9590, which uses Win 7, because, according to the internet boards, my older games have a problem with Win 10. (Bioshock 1 and 2, Halflife, etc.)
@@alanbiker5838 Good choice, great CPU!
My wife's system uses the FX 8320e. She is not a top of the line gamer so for now it works fine. Will probably get an SSD for it soon. Maybe next year look into upgrading all the way into Ryzen.
lol I was using my RTX 2080 in my FX 8120 for 3 months until Ryzen 7 3700X launched. The FX was overclocked to 4.4GHz with Coolermaster 240mm AIO
Can we at least see this done again with a proper FX 8350... using a low power low clock 8320E is pretty unreasonable, to be honest.
I had a FX-8320@4.5GHz w/16GB 2133 C9 paired with a Vega 56 (Flashed to Vega 64, undervolted, overclocked and upgraded cooling) since Nov of 2012. It was generally always "enough" so i never upgraded it, despite it being a placeholder system that i picked up for a very good value at the time (really wanted a i7-3770k to delid and overclock to 5GHz). I JUST now finally upgraded my system to a 3700x w/16GB 3600 C16 (2x8GB single rank, so when i upgrade it will run faster with 4x8GB single rank sticks and not slower vs 4x8GB dual rank sticks) with the same Vega 56.
I didn't get nearly that bad frame rate (scores) in my tests and played Shadow of the Tomb Raider at around 45-60fps with the FX chip with "good" enough low 1% lows to never notice stutter. The FX chips at 4.4GHz+ and 1866 C7+ seam to really come alive compared to stock with 1600 ram.
CineBench (15/20) shows a 2.9-3.3x improvement right off the bat. CB15 went from 714 to 2075, CB20 went from 1393 to 4710. 3DMark Time Spy jumped from 6036 to 7558. But the reason i finally upgraded was because new games with PS5 and Xbox Series X in mind don't really like the old architecture of the FX chip's and older systems like the PS4/Xbox as seen with Cyberpunk 2077, which i noticed stuttering with but still playable. The real reason was because the CAD work i'm doing is starting to get intensive and sometimes started to really drag with the old CPU.
I have an i7 4790k paired with a gtx 1080ti and would like to hear some recommendations if I should upgrade now or later?
I think a ryzen 7 3700X would be nice but I don'tt know how much RAM I should buy.
I would get 16gb at 3200mhz. 16gb is so cheap now compared to last year. As for waiting you could wait till black friday.
@@shanebolger7802 thanks. I will look out for black friday.
that was my exact mobo for my old fx8350 maaaaaan i thought i was the shit with my "8 cores" i was a fool until i went to a 6700k.
And here I am running on a Phenom II 955
In some tests the older phenoms beat fx cpus.
@@Schattennebel unfortunately my old CPU has been the reason why I can't play things such as The Other Worlds or even PUBG. I need an upgrade. Hopefully this holidays I will. My GTX 1070 needs to be able to stretch its legs.
i have money so i decided to invest into graphics and monitor and still run on FX... i watched this video and i still want to do it :D
The only reason that I went FX last February was because I found a guy selling a Sabertooth 990FX r.20, Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3, two FX-8350 CPUs and eight 4GB sticks of DDR3 1600MHZ for $110. He was even in the SAME TOWN!
So, if you treat 4 sticks of RAM as a set, each component was $18. $55 for each Board/CPU/RAM setup.
Not too bad.
I have a 1055T probably worst than the 8320E, but is paired with a 560Ti , once i tried an GTX 1080 and tested a few games, the biggest change was on The Witcher 3, from barely running at 30fps on the lowest settings to run a 60+fps on ultra. I'm guessing that a 1060 or 470/570 would be and decent upgrade, but earning 30$ monthly it just doesn't help.
Cheers.
More videos Revisiting old hardware ????
Well i dont play games i only watch videos and do office stuff and some Virtual Machine things.. so i am still happy with my fx 8350.. The prices for update is very high atm in my country..
I know the bottleneck would still exist, but a overclock would have helped it a lot. People never run the fx series at stock they always overclock it. It would have slightly stabilized these results.
I ran on stock. That is reason why i have this processor for 7 yrs not for 3 yrs. :D
@@altielmaltiel6238 That statement is very much bullshit. It would never decrease the life by that much. It would have to be a very aggressive overclock even then it would only take off a year or two at worst.
It wouldn't be as drastic as you exaggerate.
Liked the video Greg. What happened to Science Studio?
I'm thinking about getting an FX 6300, do you guys think it's worth it, or what else should I use, I'm trying to go for a bit of a budget
@@aadilmubashar3644 thanks man
I'm using a FX 8150 with a RX 5700 XT I feel like I already get good performance at 1080p, I wonder how much it will improve when I get a R 3600 in two weeks!
Just picked one of these up from eBay for £25 to drop into my old, but still viable, sim racing rig (iRacing, & Assetto Corsa mainly). Should pair nicely with the 1050Ti I have in there and be a decent upgrade for my existing Phenom II X4 955 which does occasionally bog down - particularly in Assetto Corsa. I doubt those old game engines are going to make much use of 8 threads so I might disable 2 cores to reduce heat or give me a little more room for overclocking.
It would be interesting to see a comparison with an upgrade package (CPU, motherboard, RAM and GPU) that costs the same amount as the RTX2080Ti by itself.
Interesting video!! Alot of people are still running FX chips. New games still rely heavily on single core performance. We probably wont see more games taking advantage of multithread games till after PS5 comes out. Then maybe FX will find new leg at 4K?? probably not, and Ryzen is such a boost in performance and at a value price, it's just time to upgrade.
Love your channel, great content.
My combo AMD FX8370 on Asus Sabertooth R3.0 with Aorus RTX 2060 Super / 16GB 2400Mhz DDR3 ( Team Group ) / Crucial P1 M.2 SSD. My display is a samsung c43j890 with 3840 x 1200 pixel . This is a bit more then 2K and i can run all games @ Ultra with 60 FPS ( V-Sync ). @ the time of FX Intel was better but today Win10 and software utilizes the real eight cores even in four modules so great.
I would love to see an FX-8320 up against a Ryzen 3 in 1080p video editing. For what I do, editing UA-cam videos at 1080p, and sometimes even 4K renders, my 8320 with a 1060 does alright. It hates 3D renders such as 3D text or things like that though. Believe it or not, Roblox is where my 8320 really suffers. Roblox's optimzation for the client is bad and tries to load everything it can on the CPU, despite the fact that there is a GTX-1060 fully capable of reaching over 100 fps in all games on the platform.
What happened to SS?
I had a FX-8320 OC'd to 4.2GHz paired with a R9 290, and 32GB DDR3, along with a 990FXA-UD3--used to get similar results in games at 1080p. That's why I ultimately decided to retired it just over a year ago for a R2700X, GTX 1080 (just before the launch of the RTX cards, and price hikes), 64GB DDR4. I keep debating whether it's worth testing out my 2700X with the R9 290, and the even older HD7950 (which I still have in storage).
Other than that, I'm thinking about finding a purple case, throwing the old hardware in it, and giving it to my 8 y/o niece. She's basically copying and getting into the things that I am (tech, plastic models, gaming, music), and into some racing games as well as simulators--whether it's Euro Truck SImulator or Burnout Paradise. I always dreamed of having a PC at that age in the mid 90s. I guess you always try to give the next generation opportunities you yourself never had.
dunno, i have 8350 paired with RX 570 and 16Gb 1600 ram...and im really satisfied with overall performances in modern games. Not changing platform until CPU and MB dies, yes both in same time :)
l have gtx 1070 and i5 2400 bottleneck is huge.
So l plan to buy i7 3770k ,what are you guys think??
Im rockin an 8350 paired with 1050ti on a 970 board. No real bottlenecks to speak of and it functions ok, but I still want to upg to Ryzen.
I'm still rocking a i7-2700k at 4.5Ghz with a GTX970 on a Asus P8Z68 Deluxe motherboard. Still getting decent frame rates in most games too. An upgrade is due, but with a limited budget. It really depends on the games you play. I tend to rock RTS and isometric ARPG type games that are CPU intensive. So the money would definitely be better placed on CPU/Motherboard/RAM, other than purchasing a new card. I'm drooling over the RTX2070Super but priorities first I guess.