None of you have any idea the conditions or elements we faced as we pulled up! So if you want to Monday morning quarterback please feel free to contact me! I’ll put you in you place!!! Have if you probably don’t even see fires!
Just to clarify a couple things here.This fire was on March 23rd,not March 22nd. Mutual aid even came from as far as the FDNY,not just Rockland. Also with this if the fire alarms in the building were working and connected to county central dispatch and the whole sprinkler system was working in the building this fire would have been a lot more under control and probably wouldn't have been so deadly. Rest easy brother,we got it from here.
Yes. Without listening to the whole thing yet, I can't tell if they have both audios. All fire ground operations are on their tac (high band as it's commonly referred to in county) channel
Yes they do. There is another video out there of traffic on the tac channels. This video mainly covers communications with dispatch, but also covers multiple channels.
Couple of thoughts 1. RIP FF Lloyd 2. it amazes me that the standardized ICS being used by so many depts is not in use. In RC. 3. Piecemeal dispatch of companies is so ridiculous. This is like listening lost in time. That the IC has to call for individual companies and standbys is a burden on the IC 4. He’ll of a job and amazing bravery displayed by all
As for point 2, I believe it was, it just didn't sound like it because of the way the recording was made (multiple channels recorded) And you have to note that command was very calm and not freaking out, goes to his training. As for point 3, I would have to agree, perhaps they do not have run cards with alarm levels in Rockland, I know they do in Orange county. What Im wondering is, and Im going by my experiences in CT where 5 out of the 8 counties have essentially county fire dispatch. Does Rockland have Tanker Task Forces? If this was CT, and I heard that what we were getting for water was all the water company could give you, In CT you call for a tanker task force, and 5 tankers are on the way, need more, call for a additional tanker task force, and dispatch has 10 alarms worth of apparatus to call upon, or a strike team of 5 engines and a chief. Does dept in Rockland have apparatus with LDH capability? In CT every county has at least 1 LDH truck that can lay a mile and change of 5" hose if water gets tight. I would also like to point out, that as the severity of the fire became known, pretty sure every department in Rockland was manned up, whether toned out or not, and when departments were called, they were on the air with crews pretty damn quick, or it seemed like it. As for refueling/DPF fluid replenishing, that would be planned for at the county level, since they have fore coordinators, and perhaps this was never thought of. You should never hear, we don't have a account. One last thing about dispatch, people want to compare to FDNY, before 9-11, dispatch run cards only went to 5 alarms, now they go to 10 alarms, so you never have to hear Brooklyn fire dispatch tell a battalion chief, I owe you 8 engines. What they did, and how they did it worked for them, and they did a great job, RIP to the fallen fire fighter
These audio's are edited so what you hear isn't the actual time frame ontop of other channels being used. Other audio's I've heard on this job most definitely has the ICS being used. It's always easier to critique an incident After the fact but it's what we learn from.
@@kristofersmith5476 This area of Rockland County normally doesn’t need tankers. Also, despite multiple engines being called tankers, like 17-Tanker, there’s really only one proper tanker in the county. The others are called “tanker” because they carry enough water to be considered engine-tankers. Rockland County uses a very unique numbering system. Signal 12 Wiki has a rundown of what the designations mean, but generally, if you see something like 17-1750 or 17-1000, that’s an engine, and the second number is the pump size in GPM. 17-Tower would be a tower ladder. 10-98 and 10-99 are both 100-foot ladders, with the second number representing ladder length.
@@sully0808 Thank you. That definitely sounds like a good idea. I’m sure from the sounds of it, or hoping, those departments train together often also. But hearing Control hitting different tones for different departments coming in, I see it makes sense to get someone or some people who know all the departments and resources on scene.
Rockland County is all volunteer departments- 26 of them. The Coordinators work for Rockland County Department of Fire & Emergency Services, and respond in particular to incidents involving multiple agencies and/or departments. Unlike battalion chiefs, etc., while they are part of the command staff as incident management goes, the Chief of the fire district is normally the incident commander. Coordinators assist with operations on scene, help with mutual aid assignments, help to coordinate and call up additional resources, and the like. According to New York State Law, the fire chief is ultimately responsible for command of the incident, and can delegate tasks and assignments as appropriate, including the use of coordinators and the chiefs and officers of mutual aid departments.
Just goes to show you....how many times have we all heard that kind of dispatch and then say "Odor of smoke...another BS call". In this case it wasn't.
No you didn’t miss much. Just the fact that there were tons of people trapped and it’s a completely volunteer dept so there’s a delay in literally everything being done. Maybe rock land will consider a paid fire service after this catastrophe.
@@DWBmotorsports You have got to be kidding with this comment right? You think everywhere has the ability and the money to have a paid department? This department and the surrounding departments did a fantastic job with what they were faced with. A Firefighter was killed along with a resident of the building, you are part of that group who constantly think just because its a volunteer department that things aren't done correctly. The Nearest company was 3 minutes away and this fire was already long out of control by the time patrol pulled up. The Volunteers had a great response time, so maybe instead of bashing them for being volunteer you go join a department and see what its actually like. In Fact 67% of departments in the US are Volunteers! I wonder what you would have done differently here?
@@tylerk448 .......FYI........Spring Valley Dept. 17 does more running and does more structural work than some FDNY companies ! This is a very busy fire company !!!! God Bless all these dedicated volunteers !
@@brianmckeever6536 Yes I know which is why I said they did an absolutely fantastic job with what they were faced with on the initial arrival! Prayers to FF Lloyd who lost his life courageously rescuing trapped residents!
Were the fast teams already there before they entered the structure? We never enter a structure if fast isn't either there or on their way, because if SHTF they're your crutch.
before you go Monday morning quarterbacking let me tell you this the fast team was there the fast team made entry and the fast team was pulled out seconds literally seconds before collapse so if you think that they didn't try that they weren't there you're rudely mistaken
Just wondering have you ever had a issue at a fire where someone went down? Majority of the time the guys inside are pulling the down FF out not the fast team.
If we didnt there would of been plenty of more dead. And oh they were old can’t get out fast and some of them bed ridden. And the place was over a 100 years old with no renovations with a known water problem at that location. And the alarm system was on test mode. Could you sleep at night knowing you let people die without trying? Then it would of been 20 or more dead.
@@noahsheftel4197 ...it’s ok that you are ignorant and don’t know any details of this incident. You also must not be a FF. I mean clearly you aren’t. You may be a member of an FD but I doubt you’ve ever crawled down a hallway. All I will say is I was there and know many details. Like the one were they save countless lives and the fact that Jared dies a hero...but because you are a bitter loser who would never enter an IDLH you must make yourself feel better by making a stupid comment. You are the definition of an armchair ff.
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We have not forgotten. 💔 Miss you Jared.
Called Hillcrest right away for mutual aid, requested the big dawgz
Rest in peace Jared and prayers to the brothers that are still suffering mentally from this alarm.
None of you have any idea the conditions or elements we faced as we pulled up! So if you want to Monday morning quarterback please feel free to contact me! I’ll put you in you place!!! Have if you probably don’t even see fires!
Just to clarify a couple things here.This fire was on March 23rd,not March 22nd. Mutual aid even came from as far as the FDNY,not just Rockland. Also with this if the fire alarms in the building were working and connected to county central dispatch and the whole sprinkler system was working in the building this fire would have been a lot more under control and probably wouldn't have been so deadly. Rest easy brother,we got it from here.
FDNY? what mutual aide unit did the FDNY send? their Fire Marshalls?
@@jlover911 MERV Unit responded
R.i.p. Thank you for your dedication and service and r.i.p to the resident as well ♡
God bless and receive you, brother.
I hope to see you at the big one.
When arrangement details are posted, I will be en route.
Prayers to the brother 🙏🙏
Little late for that..
@@schmegle1 Good observations
@@schmegle1 He is deemed still missing just a little FYI
@@Kilrinstinct1 They Recovered his body just after midnight
@@schmegle1 No it isn’t...we pray for the repose of his soul.
RIP To The Brother Firefighter who lost his life at this fire, Condolences to the family of the resident who was also killed
Audio quality is horrible. How do they communicate?
Trust me not as bad when we use it, when I first joined bit difficult to understand but I was able to understand it right away
do they work off tac channels? Way too much traffic during a MAYDAY at least thats what it sounds like
the radio transmissions are not in real time its just stream of all radio transmissions
Yes. Without listening to the whole thing yet, I can't tell if they have both audios. All fire ground operations are on their tac (high band as it's commonly referred to in county) channel
Answer is yes we do have tac channels mainly to talk to each other and 700
Yes they do. There is another video out there of traffic on the tac channels. This video mainly covers communications with dispatch, but also covers multiple channels.
Yes there are several Tac channels that are used. This video only has the dispatch and fire 1 channel from what I can tell
Couple of thoughts
1. RIP FF Lloyd
2. it amazes me that the standardized ICS being used by so many depts is not in use. In RC.
3. Piecemeal dispatch of companies is so ridiculous. This is like listening lost in time. That the IC has to call for individual companies and standbys is a burden on the IC
4. He’ll of a job and amazing bravery displayed by all
As for point 2, I believe it was, it just didn't sound like it because of the way the recording was made (multiple channels recorded) And you have to note that command was very calm and not freaking out, goes to his training. As for point 3, I would have to agree, perhaps they do not have run cards with alarm levels in Rockland, I know they do in Orange county. What Im wondering is, and Im going by my experiences in CT where 5 out of the 8 counties have essentially county fire dispatch. Does Rockland have Tanker Task Forces? If this was CT, and I heard that what we were getting for water was all the water company could give you, In CT you call for a tanker task force, and 5 tankers are on the way, need more, call for a additional tanker task force, and dispatch has 10 alarms worth of apparatus to call upon, or a strike team of 5 engines and a chief. Does dept in Rockland have apparatus with LDH capability? In CT every county has at least 1 LDH truck that can lay a mile and change of 5" hose if water gets tight. I would also like to point out, that as the severity of the fire became known, pretty sure every department in Rockland was manned up, whether toned out or not, and when departments were called, they were on the air with crews pretty damn quick, or it seemed like it. As for refueling/DPF fluid replenishing, that would be planned for at the county level, since they have fore coordinators, and perhaps this was never thought of. You should never hear, we don't have a account. One last thing about dispatch, people want to compare to FDNY, before 9-11, dispatch run cards only went to 5 alarms, now they go to 10 alarms, so you never have to hear Brooklyn fire dispatch tell a battalion chief, I owe you 8 engines. What they did, and how they did it worked for them, and they did a great job, RIP to the fallen fire fighter
@@djroberts5249 , WOW How do they not have a tanker task force is unbelievable 🤷
These audio's are edited so what you hear isn't the actual time frame ontop of other channels being used. Other audio's I've heard on this job most definitely has the ICS being used. It's always easier to critique an incident After the fact but it's what we learn from.
@@kristofersmith5476 now this chief had his shit together
@@kristofersmith5476 This area of Rockland County normally doesn’t need tankers. Also, despite multiple engines being called tankers, like 17-Tanker, there’s really only one proper tanker in the county. The others are called “tanker” because they carry enough water to be considered engine-tankers. Rockland County uses a very unique numbering system. Signal 12 Wiki has a rundown of what the designations mean, but generally, if you see something like 17-1750 or 17-1000, that’s an engine, and the second number is the pump size in GPM. 17-Tower would be a tower ladder. 10-98 and 10-99 are both 100-foot ladders, with the second number representing ladder length.
which channel is this? if this is the scan feed youre missing a lot...
After listening to part of this, everyone please realize this is an extremely condensed version of the radio transmissions and NOT real time!
Where can you find the full audio
So I just passed the request for fire coordinators. 9:14 ish. Is that the equivalent of chiefs or battalion, division, etc. chiefs?
Please know this is a question for learning.
@@jeffdillon8816 Fire Coordinator is usually a County Level Position.
@@sully0808 Thank you. That definitely sounds like a good idea. I’m sure from the sounds of it, or hoping, those departments train together often also. But hearing Control hitting different tones for different departments coming in, I see it makes sense to get someone or some people who know all the departments and resources on scene.
Rockland County is all volunteer departments- 26 of them. The Coordinators work for Rockland County Department of Fire & Emergency Services, and respond in particular to incidents involving multiple agencies and/or departments. Unlike battalion chiefs, etc., while they are part of the command staff as incident management goes, the Chief of the fire district is normally the incident commander. Coordinators assist with operations on scene, help with mutual aid assignments, help to coordinate and call up additional resources, and the like. According to New York State Law, the fire chief is ultimately responsible for command of the incident, and can delegate tasks and assignments as appropriate, including the use of coordinators and the chiefs and officers of mutual aid departments.
@@MichaelSheehy75 Thank you. Your reply definitely helped clear up things and also added a few more good points.
Odor of burning inside? That was kind of an understatement!
It wasn't the initial report from the first officer, it was the report upon dispatch from the initial caller
Just goes to show you....how many times have we all heard that kind of dispatch and then say "Odor of smoke...another BS call". In this case it wasn't.
@@efd316smokin4 The worker must have just got on and it wasn't their patient.
I’m 40 minutes in and I haven’t heard any PAR been called. Did I miss anything?
No you didn’t miss much. Just the fact that there were tons of people trapped and it’s a completely volunteer dept so there’s a delay in literally everything being done. Maybe rock land will consider a paid fire service after this catastrophe.
@@DWBmotorsports You have got to be kidding with this comment right? You think everywhere has the ability and the money to have a paid department? This department and the surrounding departments did a fantastic job with what they were faced with. A Firefighter was killed along with a resident of the building, you are part of that group who constantly think just because its a volunteer department that things aren't done correctly. The Nearest company was 3 minutes away and this fire was already long out of control by the time patrol pulled up. The Volunteers had a great response time, so maybe instead of bashing them for being volunteer you go join a department and see what its actually like. In Fact 67% of departments in the US are Volunteers! I wonder what you would have done differently here?
@@tylerk448 .......FYI........Spring Valley Dept. 17 does more running and does more structural work than some FDNY companies ! This is a very busy fire company !!!! God Bless all these dedicated volunteers !
@@brianmckeever6536 Yes I know which is why I said they did an absolutely fantastic job with what they were faced with on the initial arrival! Prayers to FF Lloyd who lost his life courageously rescuing trapped residents!
@@tylerk448 Rockland County has some of the best volleys in NYS!
Where is my stove I don't drive don't need no 🚗 parts
RIP BROTHER! God bless you and all involved
Another HERO lost way to soon. Rest well,job well done!
Multiple MAYDAY's, 20:20 LODD as well.
🇺🇸🙏🏻💔😓
Prayers to the firefighters. Good catch but please correct the last 15 minutes regarding the repeat broadcasting.
Hi Wayne, sorry about that. Not sure why it's repeating but I'm working with UA-cam to trim that portion out.
The amount of armchair quarterbacks 😂
Were the fast teams already there before they entered the structure? We never enter a structure if fast isn't either there or on their way, because if SHTF they're your crutch.
before you go Monday morning quarterbacking let me tell you this the fast team was there the fast team made entry and the fast team was pulled out seconds literally seconds before collapse so if you think that they didn't try that they weren't there you're rudely mistaken
Not going in is NOT an option when rescues are in play.
@@leatherguy6798 right lets let our RIT into a structure that’s going to collapse and kill them
Everyone was the Fast team. It was all hands on deck.
Just wondering have you ever had a issue at a fire where someone went down? Majority of the time the guys inside are pulling the down FF out not the fast team.
Gov at work.
They should have never entered that building.
You’re an idiot. This is what we do. He died saving lives you clown. Shut up you ignorant fool.
If we didnt there would of been plenty of more dead. And oh they were old can’t get out fast and some of them bed ridden. And the place was over a 100 years old with no renovations with a known water problem at that location. And the alarm system was on test mode. Could you sleep at night knowing you let people die without trying? Then it would of been 20 or more dead.
@@heavy7799 when u have a building fully involved with fire blowing thru every door and window u don’t enter the building.
@@noahsheftel4197 ...it’s ok that you are ignorant and don’t know any details of this incident. You also must not be a FF. I mean clearly you aren’t. You may be a member of an FD but I doubt you’ve ever crawled down a hallway. All I will say is I was there and know many details. Like the one were they save countless lives and the fact that Jared dies a hero...but because you are a bitter loser who would never enter an IDLH you must make yourself feel better by making a stupid comment. You are the definition of an armchair ff.
@@noahsheftel4197 it’s what that department does, others may not but that’s how they operate