The challenge of a capella is staying on pitch without a supporting instrument. So pitch correction undercuts the "magic" of singing a cappella. it becomes pointless.
Fil deserves awards alright, real ones for all the deception he uncovers, as well as the education he provides us subscribers. I have learned sooo much from Fil!
Couldn't recognise this one as Bridge Over Troubled Waters. It's weird, even as a so-called capella version. Doesn't deserve a Grammy, but then again, the Grammys are more of an industry thing that have to do with sales rather than talent.
Cut a fart on record, it sells a million, and you'll get a Grammy for it! If that fart track is featured in enough movies and sells even more millions, you'll get an Oskar on top for best fart in a farty mainstream-film.
yeah, I'm generally not a fan when these divas load up perfect wonderful songs with runs. In this case, regardless of the quality of her voice, she's ruined a classic song.
Oh, that warbling up and down notes, so that a singer can "show off" their chops, drives me crazy. It's unnecessary, irritating to listen to, and just drags out a song for no reason. It's like listening to a singer try to make the Star Spangled Banner "their own". This version is terrible, like she's made it so much more complicated than it should be, instead of singing a clean version that shows off her natural voice. She may have a great voice, but this video wouldn't make me want to listen to anything else by her.
I have never understood this fetish of this "Mariah Carey-type" million notes and slides all over the place for no reason other than to people praise them for their singing abilities.
This is an example of polishing a turd. It is a turd ( not the song, their version of it ) to begin with then you polish it ( pitch correct ) and you have a polished turd. And no she can't sing. Somebody who cannot understand how to sing is not a good singer no matter how high a note you can hit. This is equivalent to a fast guitar player just running up and down a scale as fast as possible with zero phrasing.
@@rkk578 I agree with the Mariah reference. I sometimes wonder if these people can sustain a straight note. Even so, to be using this particular technique 30 years on from Mariah's Vision of Lunch is just silly. It's a thing that's been done and done and no one is impressed anymore.
Pitch correction is an esthetic choice and for many of us a poor one. And for me as well, this much ornamentation is jarring and another poor esthetic choice. They are part of the same decision process. Cheers.
@@matthewjamestaylor That may be true for you and many others but, as far as calling it jarring, isn't that a subjective opinion and for everyone of us who doesn't like this style of singing there will be someone else who loves it. When we are discussing something as important as what the music industry as a whole has done and is doing to obliterate real music, don't you think that subjective comments that disparage an artist are quite out of place underneath an informative analysis video that faithfully provides us with the objective facts and the plain truth about the destruction and deception that passes for standard operating procedures throughout the music industry today?
The one problem associated with Fil's instructive analysis videos here on UA-cam where comments sections are not turned off is that there are always a bunch of commenters who can't seem to resist their misguided urges to disparage an artist. Music is such a subjective thing - what one person may love another will not want to listen to. You know, singers are sensitive souls who can be quite vulnerable to disparaging remarks just like the one I am now responding to. But, I see, you have lots of similarly disposed company. It's unfortunate. Worse than unfortunate is that such comments disparaging artists are the very kind of sentiments expressed by others who purport to be music lovers that may be at the root of why many artists feel the need for a safety net and resort to using tactics like pitch correction and lip-syncing performances. I hope you and others like you will one day understand the horrible impact that a plethora of those kinds of comments can have.
And there is somewhere some kid in a coffeehouse with an acoustic guitar pouring her heart out performing this song, singing maybe a little flat, maybe a little raw, but singing it earnestly and really connecting with the audience, but who goes on unknown and unheard by the world.
To all vocal artists out there… When you post your music that is NOT pitch corrected let us know about it. Say so because that is the rarity now days. Why not advertise the fact you don’t use it. It will become a selling point. We will have folks like Fil to keep you honest. I can see a day coming where all posted music will be required to list the ingredients in the meta data as to what filters they used , if its auto tuned or pitch corrected and so forth - Just like on a can of soup….
I'm learning to sing and have posted a few songs to my channel as I chart my progress. Thanks to watching Fil for a long time now, I don't use pitch correction and do say so in the descriptions of my cover songs. I also do a kind of ingredients list, showing what I have done in production to get the sound, to sound, as it does.
Even if she wasn't pitch-corrected, i couldn't stand listening to her sing. I can barely hear the song with her trying to show off with her goofy ups and downs all over the place. Just sing the damn song, and sing it well!
Jacob was feeding Tori sections of the runs, so it's not just Tori. It's Jacob's arrangement. He's very talented, but I don't feel this piece honors the spirit of the song.
Total ruination of a truly beautiful song. Art Garfunkel's version is so perfect that this is an abomination. Change for the sake of being different. Just awful.
Yep. Pitch correction aside, "vocal control" doesn't mean adding multiple notes and slides where there were none. Art could hit AND hold the notes... THAT is vocal control.
one of the most amazing vocal sounds I have ever heard is Art's first line of this song....."When your down....." It is AMAZING. I've listened to it over and over.....
"This is the worst rendition of of an S&G song I';ve ever heard. You literally could not make it any worse" Some producer at a computer "Challenge accepted!!!"
All people have to do is pretty much what they're doing, releasing and selling their own stuff. The next step is to stop feeding the machine. Not enough people are doing this. People are paying $14k to see Taylor Swift "perform," and even less popular or older groups for $400+. If record companies can make money for trash, why wouldn't they? They're businesses, not artists. I don't understand why anyone would arrange this song with such a treatment. The singer isn't even conveying the message or underlying melody of the music. If this is to honor the song, why is she just randomly vocalizing totally unrelated runs? You lose the song and the point of it. She's just doing vocal exercises.
@@lovelylife3012 It's her fault for choosing to sing it the way she does, regardless of pitch correction, which is what most people are saying. It's a difference of day old garbage vs end of the week pickup.
@@gregmcdonald8962 she didn’t choose to sing it this way, Jacob chose her and told her exactly what to sing note for note. There is a video about it, which Fil refers to at the beginning of this one… Try and pay attention!
If you do this 0 songs will be in other categories since 100% of songs of 100% of artist are touched. Whenever you don't ear it , that just means they did it properly and with caution but I can assure you that every artist big enough to be in an award ceremony is retouched nowadays....
Sounds like she is practicing her scales and arpeggios. To be honest, not really my favourite version of a superb song, but could accept it if it sounded like a human was singing it with emotion, rather than singing it like an exercise in vocal gymnastics.
I was hoping there would be a comment like this, cos I couldn't quite pull the right words together. There's no doubt she has vocal skills, but this version of BOTW is (for me) quite awful, just warbling unecessarily around the already beautiful melody.
Aw, I posted my good comment saying this in reply to someone else. But another tick in the column of those who want to hear a song (especially in a ceremony to "honor" it) than some girl repeating several words just to ride the vocal escalators as if to avoid boredom. What a slap in the face for this incredible song.
@@lovelylife3012 I don't know, my point was that autotune/backing tracks/lip syncing is so prevalent nowadays that saying she's incredible, go watch videos of her live is no guarantee that she's actually singing live or without a little help. I will say the end of the video where Fil showed her not using anything, she sounded great, far better than the pitch corrected version.
Think of a simple, flawed voice like Marianne Faithful, or the intimate revelations of Joni Mitchell, or even the raw and unfiltered wailings of Joplin. This woman's perfromance is perfectly awful.
@@DAVID-io9nj I think the current musicians who are great are not the ones that the music industry spends all the money on to autotune and pitch correct. What baffles me is that 50 years ago, the top pop singers were at least easy to listen to even if one liked a different genre. The top of the pops today are just - for the most part - unlistenableBut as you say, some of the indy bands are really good and talented..
music peaked in the 1950s with american jazz. after that . . . john lennon - double track vocals beach boys - electronic synthesizers led zeppelin - 24 track overdubs justin beiber - auto tune.
Actually, I didn't like it anyway. The arrangement was overdone and missed the soul of the song. I would not care how "good" the voices were, it was tasteless.
If the Formula 1 drivers had computers driving their cars for them, correcting any small mistake and teaching itself the course, would anyone accept it?
@@alanmon2690 AI assisted surgery is already a thing. Learning to work with it is becoming more important than memorizing volumes of facts that can be found easily on a phone today.
@@TheBrubaker2 Semi-automatic gearboxes should have been banned when they came out in '89. Changing gear was once an integral part of driving the car. Now they just bang down the gears effortlessly like they are using a Playstation controller. All the skill is gone.
A few of my fellow dinos might remember that Queen's first few albums had a little notice on them bragging that no synthesizers had been used in the making of the music. I think that might have been done to showcase the effort they went to in the studio, especially on Queen 2 (probably their most ambitious album) to create effects using only Brian May's guitar genius and analog effects. That disclaimer was dropped later, (maybe Night At The Opera, I don't recall) and they eventually joined the synthesizer trend. I think what we need now is a label that proudly bears a notice that no pitch correction was used in the making of the music. But then again, in this industry lies have become so commonplace it probably wouldn't be true.
You have hit on something here that I think artists with integrity today - those who have been around for decades before the onslaught of pitch correction and new artists - should start doing! Promote your new albums and songs with the publicly and explicitly stated message that you do not use pitch correction and elaborate on the reasons why. I don't understand why great singers aren't doing this now - with regard to album releases and actual live performances, to set them apart from lesser singers. Are they obligated to go along with the industry standards? I guess the answer to that is 'yes' and that it will be hard to fight back against that and buck the trend but that is what has to happen if we have any hope of saving real music from oblivion.
What saddens me to no end is that Brian May apparently not only approves of pitch correcting Freddie's voice but loves the sound of it. It almost makes me think that we real music lovers may have already lost the fight to save real music from oblivion.
Cool idea! I always liked that detail on the packaging. Day at the Races was the last album to feature the disclaimer, although there were still no synths on News of the World and Jazz.
Not a fan of endless vocal runs either. Not related to the song in this video, but I'm from the States, and I particularly dislike when singers showboat the US National Anthem. Way too much LOOK AT MEEEE!, not enough respect and humility, for my tastes.
I think it's pretty clever and can sound good, the runs can be pretty when some people do it in some genres- more pop or alternative music maybe. Depends what you like I guess. Obviously if you mainly like blokey rock groups or whatever then it's not going to be your thing.
Did you see Lady Gaga's interview recently with Rolling Stone? She was going over the behind the scenes production of "Disease" and talking about using Melodyne (how's it spelled?) to make it sound more poppy and dance/dj style (paraphrasing). I thought it was amazing that the artist talked about having her own vocal auto-tuned for the sake of the style of the song. I mean, she's amazing and has sung the song stripped down, but the full on dance version on the album lent itself to auto-tune.
She's always up front about things. Sometimes painfully so 😆 but she's very real. And with a voice she could've done anything with. A fantastic artist and person.
For a dance version of the song, just using it as a cool special effect, I totally get it. So glad they were also very honest about it. That's how it should be. A great example for others...
Again, I'm very glad I grew up years ago when people sang without any help. Now, it may have taken a few"takes" in the studio to get itright but it was still their voice and only their voice. Ala Connie Francis.
And I know of an italian singer called Orietta Berti who has a great voice and she said she would go in the studio do one take and that would be it (she started singing in the 60s I believe)
No joke: Celemony - the company behind Melodyne pitch correction - won the technical Grammy 2012. And last year it was Antares (Auto-Tune) that won a Grammy. So everything is already settled.
Most times the job of the musician is to set his personality aside and be the means through which the composer's intentions, manifested in squiggles on paper, are realized in sound.
they want us interacting with robots.. we see it all over youtube with the Ai narrated videos 😳 listeners comments show that they don't even realise they are listening to a robot.
An agenda of dehumanising. We're the frog in a saucepan slowly being boiled/conditioned for when they finally replace real artists with AI. Is your favourite artist deceased?.. Worry not! With our new technology we came make them perform any old garbage they'd never realistically approve of, and we don't even have to pay them!!! Welcome to the new dark age. No independent thought or genuine emotion shall be permitted.
Jacob often mentioned that equal temperament is actually out of tune in itself, and he even demonstrated it. Therefore, I cannot imagine him appreciating that type of pitch "correction".
It’s time for a massive letter writing emailing social media campaign address to the producers the artists, the record companies and everyone else involved the Grammys, the AMAs the CMA’s complaining about this disgrace and demanding change!
@@OneCatShortOfCrazy I can hear it a mile off & it's so fatiguing to listen to - especially when it's done badly - one dodgy transition between notes can ruin the whole thing. And the ironed-out tone is foul.
There is absolutely zero need for the "runs", it gives me the runs. It's obscene overuse of melisma and has no place in this beautiful song. She's FUBARed it. She's telling the world that her voice skill is more important than the song. I stopped watching this vid and went to find the performance and what an unmitigated disaster it was. I haven't heard of this girl before today and based on this performance I'll not listen to her again. This is not music, this is grandstanding.
@@l_ha3er1n_ Her/their treatment of a remarkably beautiful, classic song is what's grotesque. It's unnecessarily overblown. In my view the only redeeming feature is that S&G will be earning royalties.
Even my unexperienced ears could hear the little "warps" in the voice when the process was in those rapid variations. Almost sounded like a small car horns honk. It's criminal. The fact that none of the offenders has contact you and give an explanation for this says volumes! Thanks Fil. Keep up the exposing what is happening.
Yes! The crazy part is that Tori Kelly is soooo talented and doesn’t need any pitch correction to sound amazing. She is already an accurate singer on her own, and as Fil said, it is a shame that the producer strips so much beauty and expression out of her vocal. Sigh.
8:03 That processing sound on "lay" was pretty brutal. This was really thought provoking, good point about that software plug-in for the backing vocals, I remember that past video. It seems like a cappella should be unaltered, 'bare' vocals. It seems like that is kind of the point of a cappella.
@@ascotalexanderbruce Not at all bruce. Merely using the song's lyrics to check on his health. You clearly didn't see what I did there. Nevermind, maybe next time. Or did the lyrics of the song go over your head?
Wow, the real voices from 19:50 sounded so good, so natural, and so full of human emotion. You're absolutely right Fil, the pitch correction totally destroys these artist's ability. Sad, especially when people are simply not allowed to hear real emotions ... Artificial is simply not 'art' and not real, but this is what almost all industries are giving us to consume. Why? To maximize, profit, ROI, and to sell to as many people as possible through standardization practices.
And, it will maximize profit, ROI and the rest so long as those of us who are real music lovers and who care about what may be the eventual demise of real music altogether sit back and do nothing about it. This may be a quixotic fight but surely it is a fight worth having in a serious effort to save real music from oblivion, right?
@@insecthugger_treeloverhe did Taylor swifts tiny desk and it was live it was compared against a live performance that had been auto tuned for the official video not the live performance
They absolutely pitch correct. Honestly unless you're standing next to someone without any mics or equipment, they're 100% pitch correcting. Stop thinking anyone is "all natural". It ain't gonna happen. Anyone who trusts Jacob Collier to not pitch correct is a fool.
Fil, you stated exactly what pitch correction sounds like when a singer is doing runs and hitting every note dead on… makes me think they can’t sing! They sound like piano keys with a human like voice.’Talkbox’ !!!
I think it’s time for a few new Grammy categories: 1. Most shameless cash grab based on mostly-mimed performances in a massive global tour. 2. Most gruesome butchering of a classic song with pointlessly over-elaborate (and pitch-corrected) harmonising. 3. Most hilarious exposure of auto-tuning and/or miming due to equipment malfunction during a live performance. 4. Most admirable rejection of cheating and deception through undisclosed use of technology by continuing to perform live, despite the pressures to do otherwise - for which the nominations are U2, Foo Fighters, and Adele. 5. Special award to Fil for holding a mirror up to the greed and laziness that is destroying a beautiful art form.
This is the first time I ever heard this artist. I do not care for her voice. I do not like all those runs and she sounds very shrill to me. Just personal choice I guess. Maybe the perfection of the original song and the exquisite harmonies of Simon & Garfunkel are just too much for me to appreciate any other iterations.
I don't think a lot of ppl in the comments cares about this artist since her audience is mostly late millenials, young adults, Gen Z and the next generations. Most people in this comment section are born in the 60-80s and obviously Tori Kelly's the opposite of what people like here
I watched the original video, and it’s appalling how bad her vocals sound even with all the elements together. Around 1:30, she literally sounds like a robot
I know I've commented a lot; I just remembered something interesting. In my ear training classes, we learn both intervals of just temperament and equal temperament. There is a difference. Between the "do" or root of the key and "mi", or a major third of the pitch; equal temperament is equally spaced between the notes. I believe if I'm remembering correctly we naturally (in just temperament) go a bit "flat" and the equal temperament is sharpened to the calibration. I just check on my piano to make sure that is correct. Classical singers are taught both and if you have a good ear, you can hear the subtle differences. I believe the la is the same in this manner. I could be misremembering it, so if anyone knows whether I'm correct or not, let me know because I might have them flipped. 😂 My point is that many singers are taught equal temperament singing. That doesn't change our invalidate anything that Fil is saying here. These absolutely sound like they've been pulled to the lines. Equal temperament is nice for a lot of things. But Just Temperament is really quite beautiful and that's what our voices are designed to do. Fil, I'm also with you on the runs. I've never been a big fan of big crazy runs. They just aren't my thing. I like a bit a flourish, grace notes and some complicated runs with a purpose, but if someone over does then in a song, I'm usually left wondering if they do them because they can't hold a note. I know this is terribly judgy on my part. I'm not trying to yuck anyone's yum. If you like them, awesome. I just don't like them all over the place. Less is more, in my humble opinion. It's a crying shame they pitch corrected this piece.
the problem is that these runs are just over indulgence on her part just to show off as do other singers who use too many runs with no purpose.. the great maria callas once told a student in her masterclass who added a florid cadenza telling her to stop saying what is all this nonsense? just sing with conviction and dramatic truth... there is no reason to add runs for the purpose of showing off.. I suscribe to Maria Callas school of thought and always applied it in my career.
I would love to see a website with a database of music artists and specific albums and whether or not the vocals are pitch corrected or not. Then when purchasing music the consumer can check the website to see if they’re getting the real thing. 🎤
Probably easier to just presume 99% of major label music from the last decade or so is more than likely pitch corrected. The stuff that isn't is sadly an anomaly these days.
Consumers buy music not for the sake of music, but for the parasocial relationship with the star. Talk to fan clubs. "Or buy tracks on Spotify to listen to while running or driving. It doesn't really matter how it's made, the main thing is that it's lively and not complicated." - these are not my words, but those of a person from American music radio.
Fil - I posted (in Facebook group) a young lady singing “The Prayer”. No pitch correction. No auto tune. It was beautiful to my ears. I’d rather support local musicals.
"Ain't nothing like the real thing baby" and "Is it Live or is it Memorex?" comes to my mind as a Seattle rocking teenager in the 1970s-to this day. Keep(ing) it REAL ❤️🔥
When I was studying for my diploma in music production, one of the very first things my tutor told me was that Melisma is a warm up technique, not a singing style, and that you should never _ever_ pitch correct a singer that can actually sing. He used Bob Dylan and Mariah Carey as the example of why you should leave the vocals alone. Bob for his natural off key wailing, and Carey as an example of how a great singer gets autotuned and uses eight notes where one would be more effective. Sadly, that's become the industry standard now.
I apologize profusely to everyone for ruining this song. My cat Specter was looking for a part time job to help with bills. I encouraged him to apply for this music producer opening and this ..this is the result. My god the caterwauling is painful. 🤘
Just my opinion, but I believe a capella should be able to be sung live. It's what our choir worked so hard to do in high school. And when I go to hear an a capella group live it's because I want to hear their voices live, without the layering done in the studio. I want to see their personalities through their music. And if there is a mistake here or there, that's ok. In concert, it's the human element I think many of us want to experience.
That might be the most soulless "look what I can do" rendition of that song I've ever heard. It's like there was not even an intention of showcasing the song itself, it was just a medium to show off consecutive vocal runs. She could have not even been saying words and it would have had the same effect on me as a listener. It's like the entire point was to try to get people to say "wow she is a talented singer" instead of "wow, what a great song".
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@@SmackedyDoo I can think of one culture that does this as a matter of course: capitalising every word in a headline, for example, though it's done less frequently now than in the past.
I just recently came across your channel and I'm impressed with your analyses. I would love you to analyze the 1998 live Grammy performance of Alanis Morissette's "Uninvited" backed by the full orchestra. I always just kind of thought of her as a good pop/rock kind of singer. I had no idea she was capable of this performance. I find it to be perfection, and hopefully your analysis confirms! Thank you, Jamie
Great video again, but remember the Grammy this is nominated for is the Grammy Award for Best Arrangement, Instrumental or A Cappella… they key word here is OR. I would agree that this is not A Cappella, but certainly would fall into the arrangement category
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Simple: phrasing, the hallmark of artistic performance, occurs not only BETWEEN groups of pitches, but, in SINGING (I'm a pianist, a percussionist necessarily), phrasing occurs WITHIN a SINGLE note. Hence destroyed by pitch "correction" software.
Hi, Fil. Have you heard about the small controversy between Anthony Oliver and a modern country singer named McCollum? Oliver said that someone who performed after him at a concert in South Carolina was using backing tracks. He never gave a name, but some folks assumed it was McCollum. He posted a response saying that he and his band have NEVER used backing tracks or auto tune. Hopefully, that’s the case, but if so, they would be the exception given today’s practices in “live” “country” music. Anyway, thought I would mention this in case you would like to look into it. I’ve never heard McCollum’s music, but apparently footage from the concert in question is available online.
Having grown up with The Beatles, The Stones, Simon and Garfunkel etc. She's murdering this song! She's murdering a classic! I guess some people might like it but I grew up with the original version and I just can't listen to this.
people are flocking to it 😳 Ai music is overtaking real people.. people are posting Ai generated music and claiming it to be "original" 😳 and most people listening can't even pick it up..
the music industry seems bloody-mindedly intent on processing beautiful vocals into synthy crap so it doesn't sound out of place with the rest of the synthy crap.
If you are venturing into Jacob, you are almost on your way to see Aurora. Aurora has one of the most pure raw voices in the world. She did a collab with Jacob for Greenpeace.
Yeah, but I wouldn't start with the greenpeace-piece. I don't know if it's pitch corrected or not, but if _any_ of Aurora's performances are pitch corrected it would have to be this one - simply considering the conditions it was recorded under. Singing in subzero temperatures on a small floating raft in the arctic isn't ideal... Fan footage from her recent world tour is abundant on youtube, and some of them have surprisingly good sound. That's genuine live singing of the highest order. And then there's all the Live at VEVO's.
@@art_by_accident yes. I agree. I think there are many live performances that would be better examples. I've been watching a lot of fan footage. I was at the Chicago show, and it was amazing.
Whoever this chick is, she completely ruined an amazing song. Autotune or pitch correction didn't do her any favours, she shouldn't be allowed to cover other people's songs. If you can't sing it like the original version and have to add runs and change the entire tune, you can't sing, period. The music industry is done for. Thank you Fil for everything you do.
To be fair, this was Jacob's vision and in the behind the scenes video of them recording this song, Jacob was giving every run which in turn Tori replicated. I think Jacob was intending for this to be exaggerated vocally. Tori's music is actually quite diverse in range. She has calmer songs and then more vocally intense songs. I do really like her music!
@@LizzyAlexis No, Tori has been ruining songs for over a decade now with this exact same bullshit subterfuge. Don't blame Jacob, when Tori is the one who's entire career is based on oversinging & trying to warp songs to prove how much better she is than everyone else. She is a blatantly dishonest person, so is Jacob. They are both to blame.
If you don't have something to add to the song, why cover it? Taking a barebones melody and improvising around it has long been a skill expected of the great singers.
@@atomdecayWow you're a certified Tori Kelly hater in the comments, posted 31 comments trying to cancel her existence. Congrats on falling so low at such a mature age. 👏🏻
@@LizzyAlexisIf it was Jacob's vision he needs his glasses cleaned. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Remember - the strength of a soldier is to know when not to fight. I remember when Lorde was asked to sing All Apologies at some awards thing and I've never been more embarrassed to be a New Zealander. She failed to recognise or acknowledge her own limitations and cannibalised it terribly.
Man a lot of haters for this song, if you want the rendition you want listen to that. The point of this rendition was to show off vocal ability but also if you listen to any Jacob’s music, he has notes going all over the place that’s just who he is. I love this rendition just you have to appreciate how someone can sing with such agility it’s astonishing no one can sing that but Tori it really is amazing.
Tori ruins anything she touches by constantly trying to flex her vocals with 7,000,000 vocal runs & ridiculously oversang phrases. This could be all natural & would still sound terrible because Tori is incapable of just SINGING THE SONG without trying to show how much better she is than everyone else.
@lovelylife3012 I have known about Tori Kelly since Myspace when she used to post acoustic covers before she was even on American Idol, & I have always felt exactly how I do now. Oversinging, constant flaunting of her vocal ability, constant showboating to the point where several people in these comments alone have stated that they don't even recognize the song anymore.
it's like turning real plants into plastic flowers.
Great analogy!
Guilding a lily...
...and watering them.
Good analogy. Can you imagine them putting auto tune or pitch correction on Joni Mitchell? So gross. It’s became “industry standard” 🤮
And people do buy it. This is why.
The challenge of a capella is staying on pitch without a supporting instrument. So pitch correction undercuts the "magic" of singing a cappella. it becomes pointless.
It means you don't have to pay someone playing the supporting instrument.
Pitch corrected or not, to my ears this was a real hatchet job on a beautiful song.
100%
Multi-octave runs do not improve the original.
That's the elephant in the room. That was a horrible performance.
Fil, you deserve a Grammy for this analysis and reporting. I'll print one for you on my 3D printer.
Fil deserves awards alright, real ones for all the deception he uncovers, as well as the education he provides us subscribers. I have learned sooo much from Fil!
Agree.
russhaber..that is priceless!!!
Don't you think a handcrafted, slightly of artistic version, would be more fitting to the topic of this video 😅?
Great comparison and also funny. Nicely done. 🤣
Couldn't recognise this one as Bridge Over Troubled Waters. It's weird, even as a so-called capella version. Doesn't deserve a Grammy, but then again, the Grammys are more of an industry thing that have to do with sales rather than talent.
Cut a fart on record, it sells a million, and you'll get a Grammy for it! If that fart track is featured in enough movies and sells even more millions, you'll get an Oskar on top for best fart in a farty mainstream-film.
@@arturwittensoeltner8729 She should apologize to farts everywhere for this rendition.
yeah, I'm generally not a fan when these divas load up perfect wonderful songs with runs. In this case, regardless of the quality of her voice, she's ruined a classic song.
Never mind pitch correction, it’s a woeful bit of soulless screeching . Warbling up and down 3 or 4 notes when one would have done.
Yea, even with pitch correction it sounded off and it was out of place regardless!
Omg…exactly! Emotionless, over-the-top…just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Ugh!
Oh, that warbling up and down notes, so that a singer can "show off" their chops, drives me crazy. It's unnecessary, irritating to listen to, and just drags out a song for no reason. It's like listening to a singer try to make the Star Spangled Banner "their own". This version is terrible, like she's made it so much more complicated than it should be, instead of singing a clean version that shows off her natural voice. She may have a great voice, but this video wouldn't make me want to listen to anything else by her.
As Salieri said: 'Too many notes!'
Melisma
This isn't vocal runs, this is vocal diarrhea. Just because a singer CAN do this, doesn't mean that they SHOULD do it.
Vocal diarreh. 😂😂😂😂
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Hahahaha. I was about to say vocal vomit.
In ornamentation, taste is as important as agility.
Yes, I would say vocal gymnastics. Also sounds more like pitchy not pitch corrected.
In my opinion, she destroyed a classic.
I have never understood this fetish of this "Mariah Carey-type" million notes and slides all over the place for no reason other than to people praise them for their singing abilities.
Have to agree, the arguments about pitch correction aside, its not an enjoyable cover, however talented they are as singers.
This is an example of polishing a turd. It is a turd ( not the song, their version of it ) to begin with then you polish it ( pitch correct ) and you have a polished turd.
And no she can't sing. Somebody who cannot understand how to sing is not a good singer no matter how high a note you can hit. This is equivalent to a fast guitar player just running up and down a scale as fast as possible with zero phrasing.
@@rkk578 I agree with the Mariah reference. I sometimes wonder if these people can sustain a straight note. Even so, to be using this particular technique 30 years on from Mariah's Vision of Lunch is just silly. It's a thing that's been done and done and no one is impressed anymore.
@@Bellbird-y9g
OUI ,d'accord avec vous ! Quand 26:55 c'est trop c'est trop ! Ça gâche tout ! Pour moi c'est même agaçant !!! Nelly, Belgique. 😊
That is easily the worst rendition of one of my favorite songs. Just horrible.
Pitch correction is an esthetic choice and for many of us a poor one. And for me as well, this much ornamentation is jarring and another poor esthetic choice. They are part of the same decision process. Cheers.
@@matthewjamestaylor That may be true for you and many others but, as far as calling it jarring, isn't that a subjective opinion and for everyone of us who doesn't like this style of singing there will be someone else who loves it.
When we are discussing something as important as what the music industry as a whole has done and is doing to obliterate real music, don't you think that subjective comments that disparage an artist are quite out of place underneath an informative analysis video that faithfully provides us with the objective facts and the plain truth about the destruction and deception that passes for standard operating procedures throughout the music industry today?
Yes, it would be awful with or without pitch correction
Sounds like she is in pain.
The one problem associated with Fil's instructive analysis videos here on UA-cam where comments sections are not turned off is that there are always a bunch of commenters who can't seem to resist their misguided urges to disparage an artist. Music is such a subjective thing - what one person may love another will not want to listen to. You know, singers are sensitive souls who can be quite vulnerable to disparaging remarks just like the one I am now responding to. But, I see, you have lots of similarly disposed company. It's unfortunate.
Worse than unfortunate is that such comments disparaging artists are the very kind of sentiments expressed by others who purport to be music lovers that may be at the root of why many artists feel the need for a safety net and resort to using tactics like pitch correction and lip-syncing performances. I hope you and others like you will one day understand the horrible impact that a plethora of those kinds of comments can have.
Sorry to say she just mangled a classic.
For sure her voice is impressive..... but she is MURDERING this song.
@Steph-o5s yup, it's the "simple ", beautiful melody of the original song that does it for me.
This cover is just like showing off how cool they are.
why are you saying she as if she composed this? this was jacob collier's production, she sang it excellently
And there is somewhere some kid in a coffeehouse with an acoustic guitar pouring her heart out performing this song, singing maybe a little flat, maybe a little raw, but singing it earnestly and really connecting with the audience, but who goes on unknown and unheard by the world.
I'm not a fan of people doing runs that go so far from the original melody that you forget what you're listening to.
To all vocal artists out there… When you post your music that is NOT pitch corrected let us know about it. Say so because that is the rarity now days. Why not advertise the fact you don’t use it. It will become a selling point. We will have folks like Fil to keep you honest. I can see a day coming where all posted music will be required to list the ingredients in the meta data as to what filters they used , if its auto tuned or pitch corrected and so forth - Just like on a can of soup….
I'm learning to sing and have posted a few songs to my channel as I chart my progress. Thanks to watching Fil for a long time now, I don't use pitch correction and do say so in the descriptions of my cover songs. I also do a kind of ingredients list, showing what I have done in production to get the sound, to sound, as it does.
Even if she wasn't pitch-corrected, i couldn't stand listening to her sing. I can barely hear the song with her trying to show off with her goofy ups and downs all over the place. Just sing the damn song, and sing it well!
Well said. To be honest, I didn't recognise the song...the beautiful song!
Agreed
Jacob was feeding Tori sections of the runs, so it's not just Tori. It's Jacob's arrangement. He's very talented, but I don't feel this piece honors the spirit of the song.
Total ruination of a truly beautiful song. Art Garfunkel's version is so perfect that this is an abomination. Change for the sake of being different. Just awful.
Listen to Sissel and Russel Watson's version of this song. No comparison.
a pale soulless ghost of Art Garfunkle's work tbh
Yep. Pitch correction aside, "vocal control" doesn't mean adding multiple notes and slides where there were none. Art could hit AND hold the notes... THAT is vocal control.
@@CraftAeroTrue. The simplicity of Garfunkle's rendition is a large part of its beauty.
*Garfunkel
"Soulless" is a perfect description.
one of the most amazing vocal sounds I have ever heard is Art's first line of this song....."When your down....." It is AMAZING. I've listened to it over and over.....
"This is the worst rendition of of an S&G song I';ve ever heard. You literally could not make it any worse"
Some producer at a computer "Challenge accepted!!!"
How the music industry ruined music for all
The grammars too. Noooo
@@ralphditchburn1456
Fixed. Feel better? Lol
@@ralphditchburn1456
Fixed. Feel better now?
All people have to do is pretty much what they're doing, releasing and selling their own stuff. The next step is to stop feeding the machine. Not enough people are doing this. People are paying $14k to see Taylor Swift "perform," and even less popular or older groups for $400+. If record companies can make money for trash, why wouldn't they? They're businesses, not artists.
I don't understand why anyone would arrange this song with such a treatment. The singer isn't even conveying the message or underlying melody of the music. If this is to honor the song, why is she just randomly vocalizing totally unrelated runs? You lose the song and the point of it. She's just doing vocal exercises.
@@BlueM-o2b well said
Paul Simon should sue her for elder abuse!
For realz!
lol
Why does evryone in this comment section thinks it's Tori's fault ?
@@lovelylife3012 It's her fault for choosing to sing it the way she does, regardless of pitch correction, which is what most people are saying. It's a difference of day old garbage vs end of the week pickup.
@@gregmcdonald8962 she didn’t choose to sing it this way, Jacob chose her and told her exactly what to sing note for note. There is a video about it, which Fil refers to at the beginning of this one… Try and pay attention!
They should have an 'Assisted Performance ' category in award ceremonies. That would be interesting.
100% yes.
And the vocal award for the vocalist who cannot really sing goes to...
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New category: Songs without autotune
If you do this 0 songs will be in other categories since 100% of songs of 100% of artist are touched. Whenever you don't ear it , that just means they did it properly and with caution but I can assure you that every artist big enough to be in an award ceremony is retouched nowadays....
Sounds like she is practicing her scales and arpeggios. To be honest, not really my favourite version of a superb song, but could accept it if it sounded like a human was singing it with emotion, rather than singing it like an exercise in vocal gymnastics.
I'm almost scared to say her voice does nothing for me. Rather see Shara Nova singing this.
I've never understood the trend for vocal runs like, "how many notes can I fit into this space".
It's just too much. I'd rather listen to Karen Carpenter, any day.
I was hoping there would be a comment like this, cos I couldn't quite pull the right words together. There's no doubt she has vocal skills, but this version of BOTW is (for me) quite awful, just warbling unecessarily around the already beautiful melody.
Aw, I posted my good comment saying this in reply to someone else. But another tick in the column of those who want to hear a song (especially in a ceremony to "honor" it) than some girl repeating several words just to ride the vocal escalators as if to avoid boredom. What a slap in the face for this incredible song.
Art Garfunkel didn’t use pitch correction and he sounded better than she does.
I don’t use pitch correction. I don’t sing except at Church. I sound better than she does.
Tori's an incredible vocalist go watch one of her live performances
@@lovelylife3012 I'm not saying she's not but you can't even use that as an indicator these days.
@@gregmcdonald8962 Are you saying she uses auto tune live ?
@@lovelylife3012 I don't know, my point was that autotune/backing tracks/lip syncing is so prevalent nowadays that saying she's incredible, go watch videos of her live is no guarantee that she's actually singing live or without a little help. I will say the end of the video where Fil showed her not using anything, she sounded great, far better than the pitch corrected version.
I don't know how Fil got through this hideous catterwalling mess! I don't even recognize this as the song it's supposed to be!☹🙉
At one point in our past, music used to sound beautiful. Does anyone else remember that too?
Still many great musicians performing. Just not on MSM.
Think of a simple, flawed voice like Marianne Faithful, or the intimate revelations of Joni Mitchell, or even the raw and unfiltered wailings of Joplin. This woman's perfromance is perfectly awful.
@@DAVID-io9nj I think the current musicians who are great are not the ones that the music industry spends all the money on to autotune and pitch correct. What baffles me is that 50 years ago, the top pop singers were at least easy to listen to even if one liked a different genre. The top of the pops today are just - for the most part - unlistenableBut as you say, some of the indy bands are really good and talented..
music peaked in the 1950s with american jazz. after that . . .
john lennon - double track vocals
beach boys - electronic synthesizers
led zeppelin - 24 track overdubs
justin beiber - auto tune.
Actually, I didn't like it anyway. The arrangement was overdone and missed the soul of the song. I would not care how "good" the voices were, it was tasteless.
I agree, it seemed more like vocal acrobatics rather than emotive singing with feeling. The pitch correction just made it even worse.
If the Formula 1 drivers had computers driving their cars for them, correcting any small mistake and teaching itself the course, would anyone accept it?
That's exactly why they banned traction control in F1 after running it for some years.
Or you take a very difficult examination to become a medical profeseional and all your answers are corrected by AI.
Like changing gears?
@@alanmon2690 AI assisted surgery is already a thing. Learning to work with it is becoming more important than memorizing volumes of facts that can be found easily on a phone today.
@@TheBrubaker2 Semi-automatic gearboxes should have been banned when they came out in '89. Changing gear was once an integral part of driving the car. Now they just bang down the gears effortlessly like they are using a Playstation controller. All the skill is gone.
who cares, that version was ridiculously over the top tormented whailing, like a parody from spinal tap
A few of my fellow dinos might remember that Queen's first few albums had a little notice on them bragging that no synthesizers had been used in the making of the music. I think that might have been done to showcase the effort they went to in the studio, especially on Queen 2 (probably their most ambitious album) to create effects using only Brian May's guitar genius and analog effects. That disclaimer was dropped later, (maybe Night At The Opera, I don't recall) and they eventually joined the synthesizer trend. I think what we need now is a label that proudly bears a notice that no pitch correction was used in the making of the music. But then again, in this industry lies have become so commonplace it probably wouldn't be true.
Boston was the same as late as Third Stage in the '80s.
You have hit on something here that I think artists with integrity today - those who have been around for decades before the onslaught of pitch correction and new artists - should start doing! Promote your new albums and songs with the publicly and explicitly stated message that you do not use pitch correction and elaborate on the reasons why.
I don't understand why great singers aren't doing this now - with regard to album releases and actual live performances, to set them apart from lesser singers. Are they obligated to go along with the industry standards? I guess the answer to that is 'yes' and that it will be hard to fight back against that and buck the trend but that is what has to happen if we have any hope of saving real music from oblivion.
What saddens me to no end is that Brian May apparently not only approves of pitch correcting Freddie's voice but loves the sound of it. It almost makes me think that we real music lovers may have already lost the fight to save real music from oblivion.
Cool idea! I always liked that detail on the packaging. Day at the Races was the last album to feature the disclaimer, although there were still no synths on News of the World and Jazz.
@@MrOarson Sorry, what is happening here was decidedly NOT happening in the eighties.
Pitch corrected or not, I'm sick to death of vocal runs. Pointless showboating that adds nothing to the beauty of the song.
It just sounds awful. The beauty of this song was its simplicity 😢
Not a fan of endless vocal runs either. Not related to the song in this video, but I'm from the States, and I particularly dislike when singers showboat the US National Anthem. Way too much LOOK AT MEEEE!, not enough respect and humility, for my tastes.
I think it's pretty clever and can sound good, the runs can be pretty when some people do it in some genres- more pop or alternative music maybe. Depends what you like I guess. Obviously if you mainly like blokey rock groups or whatever then it's not going to be your thing.
@@ConstantiaVerted yes, it may sound great, in many cases it is, but for example aguillera can't sing one straight note and it's hard to listen to
Politely agree. But it's not like it doesn't add nothing, it actually ruins the beauty of the song.
Did you see Lady Gaga's interview recently with Rolling Stone? She was going over the behind the scenes production of "Disease" and talking about using Melodyne (how's it spelled?) to make it sound more poppy and dance/dj style (paraphrasing). I thought it was amazing that the artist talked about having her own vocal auto-tuned for the sake of the style of the song. I mean, she's amazing and has sung the song stripped down, but the full on dance version on the album lent itself to auto-tune.
She's always up front about things. Sometimes painfully so 😆 but she's very real. And with a voice she could've done anything with. A fantastic artist and person.
For a dance version of the song, just using it as a cool special effect, I totally get it. So glad they were also very honest about it. That's how it should be. A great example for others...
Again, I'm very glad I grew up years ago when people sang without any help. Now, it may have taken a few"takes" in the studio to get itright but it was still their voice and only their voice. Ala Connie Francis.
And I know of an italian singer called Orietta Berti who has a great voice and she said she would go in the studio do one take and that would be it (she started singing in the 60s I believe)
LoL! Exactly the old fartism I expect here.
@@bryanleggo3489 But at least we at good music
Great video, loved the Actual Voice segment, really shows the differences in what your saying.
And the WINNER of this year's Grammys...ALL of them is......... AUTO TUNE!
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And the runner up….pitch correction!
No joke: Celemony - the company behind Melodyne pitch correction - won the technical Grammy 2012. And last year it was Antares (Auto-Tune) that won a Grammy. So everything is already settled.
Let's not forget the brand new miming category! 🤣 Plenty of possible nominees to choose from... 😑
@@Fastvoice Know nothing about technical devices here, so are you serious?
Organic music fan here.
Please be original everyone…please be yourself.
Do the world a favor and let us hear your original voice. Thank you …Tom
Most times the job of the musician is to set his personality aside and be the means through which the composer's intentions, manifested in squiggles on paper, are realized in sound.
I wish some of the original artist would sue others for ruining an already great song. All I hear is caterwauling and screeching.
Sounds a little crazy, but ... we are being trained to hear "computer voice" as human. Trained to no longer hear any difference. This is not good.
they want us interacting with robots.. we see it all over youtube with the Ai narrated videos 😳 listeners comments show that they don't even realise they are listening to a robot.
The process of UN-training needs to start NOW!
The amount of people already unable to recognize AI generated voices or images is already terrifying as it is.
An agenda of dehumanising. We're the frog in a saucepan slowly being boiled/conditioned for when they finally replace real artists with AI. Is your favourite artist deceased?.. Worry not! With our new technology we came make them perform any old garbage they'd never realistically approve of, and we don't even have to pay them!!!
Welcome to the new dark age. No independent thought or genuine emotion shall be permitted.
There is a pretty spooky idea from that. It will be more and more difficult to recognize legit figureheads in government.
Jacob can definitely hear it, I wonder if some pressure was put on him from record execs? Fingers crossed for Jacob coming on Fil’s show!
Jacob often mentioned that equal temperament is actually out of tune in itself, and he even demonstrated it. Therefore, I cannot imagine him appreciating that type of pitch "correction".
I feel sorry for the song. With or without pitch correction.
It’s time for a massive letter writing emailing social media campaign address to the producers the artists, the record companies and everyone else involved the Grammys, the AMAs the CMA’s complaining about this disgrace and demanding change!
Sign me up
As if... 🥴
(It's by design, wakey wakey)
🙏 support independent music .. before we lose it completely ☝️
I didn't even need to see the lines - it SOUNDS pitch-corrected.
it's really not very nice to listen to, so I really don't understand why it's used so much..
@@OneCatShortOfCrazy I can hear it a mile off & it's so fatiguing to listen to - especially when it's done badly - one dodgy transition between notes can ruin the whole thing. And the ironed-out tone is foul.
@@OneCatShortOfCrazy It's not only "not very nice", it's unlistenable.
"So I'm going to jump in here.... immediately..."
Say no more sir. 😂
Pitch correction turns boiling music into 'simmering' music. How to turn the human voice into a digital musical instrument. It's artificial and dead.
It's a MIDI vocal, basically.
The final demand of The Party was "Do not believe your ears !"
There is absolutely zero need for the "runs", it gives me the runs. It's obscene overuse of melisma and has no place in this beautiful song. She's FUBARed it. She's telling the world that her voice skill is more important than the song. I stopped watching this vid and went to find the performance and what an unmitigated disaster it was. I haven't heard of this girl before today and based on this performance I'll not listen to her again. This is not music, this is grandstanding.
Well put. Its awful.
Agreed. Pitch corrected or not is still sounds horrific. Her voice is absolutely amazing, but I just cannot stand vocal runs.
Agree, those runs are way over the top, annoying.
Amen!
@@l_ha3er1n_ Her/their treatment of a remarkably beautiful, classic song is what's grotesque. It's unnecessarily overblown. In my view the only redeeming feature is that S&G will be earning royalties.
Even my unexperienced ears could hear the little "warps" in the voice when the process was in those rapid variations. Almost sounded like a small car horns honk. It's criminal. The fact that none of the offenders has contact you and give an explanation for this says volumes! Thanks Fil. Keep up the exposing what is happening.
Just think AI is waiting in the wings! Pitch perfecto!
A few years ago I got to hear Tori in a sound check and I was absolutely blown away.... what a talent
So how do you feel about what is being done to destroy her great natural voice?
Must've been nice to hear a robot sing live lmao.
I bet you're not blown away with the shocking level of auto tuning of her voice here.
What happened?
Keep up your great work❣️💯 It matters to so many of us❣️💙 Thanks, Fil❣️🎯
YESSSS!!!✊✊✊
Pitch corrected! Noticed it immediately! Fil, where do we go from here!! Tori has a Heavenly natural voice. Why do this to her voice!
Yes! The crazy part is that Tori Kelly is soooo talented and doesn’t need any pitch correction to sound amazing. She is already an accurate singer on her own, and as Fil said, it is a shame that the producer strips so much beauty and expression out of her vocal. Sigh.
8:03 That processing sound on "lay" was pretty brutal. This was really thought provoking, good point about that software plug-in for the backing vocals, I remember that past video. It seems like a cappella should be unaltered, 'bare' vocals. It seems like that is kind of the point of a cappella.
The point of a capella WAS that instruments used to be forbidden in church. There really is no point now.
It removes everything that is human. That is the point.
Yup. It's a feature, not a bug.
Modernism - all the results of Modernism are pastiche or parody. The spirit of inspiration has fled.
her ‘runs’ are like nails on a chalkboard
Amen !!!!
She has better runs in her own performances trust me
Pitch correction/auto-tune sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me.
Her runs give me the runs.
@@VegasAlien1 Tori Kelly is way more then then just runs
Fil, I'm learning so much from your analyses! Thank you for showing a lay person what an unfortunate way music is being sung. 💓
So depressing that this is now the norm.
Her vocal gave me the runs.
Well played, sir, well played!
@@BlessYourHeart254 Are you weary, feeling small? 🙃
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@@ascotalexanderbruce Not at all bruce. Merely using the song's lyrics to check on his health. You clearly didn't see what I did there. Nevermind, maybe next time. Or did the lyrics of the song go over your head?
"Everything is possible, but nothing is real" - Living Colour 'Type', 1990
Wow, the real voices from 19:50 sounded so good, so natural, and so full of human emotion. You're absolutely right Fil, the pitch correction totally destroys these artist's ability. Sad, especially when people are simply not allowed to hear real emotions ... Artificial is simply not 'art' and not real, but this is what almost all industries are giving us to consume. Why? To maximize, profit, ROI, and to sell to as many people as possible through standardization practices.
And, it will maximize profit, ROI and the rest so long as those of us who are real music lovers and who care about what may be the eventual demise of real music altogether sit back and do nothing about it. This may be a quixotic fight but surely it is a fight worth having in a serious effort to save real music from oblivion, right?
Would love to see you doing a Tiny Desk performance analysis! Always was wandering whether they use pitch correction since it sounds waaay too smooth
NMIXX Tiny Desk is one that I have really been wondering about
He did one for a BTS Tiny Desk performance. It was pitch corrected.
@@insecthugger_treeloverhe did Taylor swifts tiny desk and it was live it was compared against a live performance that had been auto tuned for the official video not the live performance
They absolutely pitch correct. Honestly unless you're standing next to someone without any mics or equipment, they're 100% pitch correcting. Stop thinking anyone is "all natural". It ain't gonna happen. Anyone who trusts Jacob Collier to not pitch correct is a fool.
@ just watch the video fil did I’m just repeating what he said
Fil, you stated exactly what pitch correction sounds like when a singer is doing runs and hitting every note dead on… makes me think they can’t sing! They sound like piano keys with a human like voice.’Talkbox’ !!!
Great update as always Fil
I think it’s time for a few new Grammy categories:
1. Most shameless cash grab based on mostly-mimed performances in a massive global tour.
2. Most gruesome butchering of a classic song with pointlessly over-elaborate (and pitch-corrected) harmonising.
3. Most hilarious exposure of auto-tuning and/or miming due to equipment malfunction during a live performance.
4. Most admirable rejection of cheating and deception through undisclosed use of technology by continuing to perform live, despite the pressures to do otherwise - for which the nominations are U2, Foo Fighters, and Adele.
5. Special award to Fil for holding a mirror up to the greed and laziness that is destroying a beautiful art form.
Great! I'm definitely voting for the Fil-award!🤩
5:40 I hear an actual click from way the vocal is over processed. I've learned so much from your videos.
This is the first time I ever heard this artist. I do not care for her voice. I do not like all those runs and she sounds very shrill to me. Just personal choice I guess. Maybe the perfection of the original song and the exquisite harmonies of Simon & Garfunkel are just too much for me to appreciate any other iterations.
I agree that the original is fantastic, but the group Blake did a fabulous cover (imho).
I don't think a lot of ppl in the comments cares about this artist since her audience is mostly late millenials, young adults, Gen Z and the next generations. Most people in this comment section are born in the 60-80s and obviously Tori Kelly's the opposite of what people like here
Tori Kelly is incredible live please give her a chance behind this one song.
Listen to some of her other songs, she has some great ones that aren't all runs
Turning them all into production awards.
Ken Tamplin vocal academy crossed with Jacob Collier and Tori Kelly "where the proof is in the pitch correction" 😂🤣
Leave the runs to people who drink troubled water
😭🤣🤣that is so not nice!
LMAO :)
So those who run on Dunkin? 😂 I usually say "Get the runs on Dunkin". Lol
I watched the original video, and it’s appalling how bad her vocals sound even with all the elements together. Around 1:30, she literally sounds like a robot
I know I've commented a lot; I just remembered something interesting. In my ear training classes, we learn both intervals of just temperament and equal temperament. There is a difference. Between the "do" or root of the key and "mi", or a major third of the pitch; equal temperament is equally spaced between the notes. I believe if I'm remembering correctly we naturally (in just temperament) go a bit "flat" and the equal temperament is sharpened to the calibration. I just check on my piano to make sure that is correct. Classical singers are taught both and if you have a good ear, you can hear the subtle differences. I believe the la is the same in this manner. I could be misremembering it, so if anyone knows whether I'm correct or not, let me know because I might have them flipped. 😂
My point is that many singers are taught equal temperament singing. That doesn't change our invalidate anything that Fil is saying here. These absolutely sound like they've been pulled to the lines. Equal temperament is nice for a lot of things. But Just Temperament is really quite beautiful and that's what our voices are designed to do.
Fil, I'm also with you on the runs. I've never been a big fan of big crazy runs. They just aren't my thing. I like a bit a flourish, grace notes and some complicated runs with a purpose, but if someone over does then in a song, I'm usually left wondering if they do them because they can't hold a note. I know this is terribly judgy on my part. I'm not trying to yuck anyone's yum. If you like them, awesome. I just don't like them all over the place. Less is more, in my humble opinion.
It's a crying shame they pitch corrected this piece.
the problem is that these runs are just over indulgence on her part just to show off as do other singers who use too many runs with no purpose.. the great maria callas once told a student in her masterclass who added a florid cadenza telling her to stop saying what is all this nonsense? just sing with conviction and dramatic truth... there is no reason to add runs for the purpose of showing off.. I suscribe to Maria Callas school of thought and always applied it in my career.
I would love to see a website with a database of music artists and specific albums and whether or not the vocals are pitch corrected or not. Then when purchasing music the consumer can check the website to see if they’re getting the real thing. 🎤
Should it also disclose how many takes were needed to get an entire phrase full of acceptably pitched notes?
Probably easier to just presume 99% of major label music from the last decade or so is more than likely pitch corrected. The stuff that isn't is sadly an anomaly these days.
Consumers buy music not for the sake of music, but for the parasocial relationship with the star. Talk to fan clubs.
"Or buy tracks on Spotify to listen to while running or driving. It doesn't really matter how it's made, the main thing is that it's lively and not complicated." - these are not my words, but those of a person from American music radio.
@@Olkam-w5u The self-annointed "real music lovers" are a distinct minority in the overall market for music.
Create one and I bet it would take off.
How is there still not a shirt that says, "A440 standard pitch equal temperament"?
100% 😂
That shirt would be missing a few words: like, for instance, "Say NO to..." :)
BECAUSE EQUAL TEMPERMENT IS OUT OF TUNE AND WAS A MISTAKE OF CONVIENENCE
Fil - I posted (in Facebook group) a young lady singing “The Prayer”. No pitch correction. No auto tune. It was beautiful to my ears. I’d rather support local musicals.
"Ain't nothing like the real thing baby" and "Is it Live or is it Memorex?" comes to my mind as a Seattle rocking teenager in the 1970s-to this day. Keep(ing) it REAL ❤️🔥
When I was studying for my diploma in music production, one of the very first things my tutor told me was that Melisma is a warm up technique, not a singing style, and that you should never _ever_ pitch correct a singer that can actually sing. He used Bob Dylan and Mariah Carey as the example of why you should leave the vocals alone. Bob for his natural off key wailing, and Carey as an example of how a great singer gets autotuned and uses eight notes where one would be more effective. Sadly, that's become the industry standard now.
I hate it when people do a cover and completely ruin the tune as if that doesn’t matter . The music is as important as the lyrics .
I apologize profusely to everyone for ruining this song.
My cat Specter was looking for a part time job to help with bills. I encouraged him to apply for this music producer opening and this ..this is the result. My god the caterwauling is painful. 🤘
Just my opinion, but I believe a capella should be able to be sung live. It's what our choir worked so hard to do in high school. And when I go to hear an a capella group live it's because I want to hear their voices live, without the layering done in the studio. I want to see their personalities through their music. And if there is a mistake here or there, that's ok. In concert, it's the human element I think many of us want to experience.
That might be the most soulless "look what I can do" rendition of that song I've ever heard. It's like there was not even an intention of showcasing the song itself, it was just a medium to show off consecutive vocal runs. She could have not even been saying words and it would have had the same effect on me as a listener. It's like the entire point was to try to get people to say "wow she is a talented singer" instead of "wow, what a great song".
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All those caps aren't necessary. You only need to capitalise the first word in a new sentence, otherwise it becomes hard to read. All the best :)
Well said! And, I liked your use of capitalized letters. Cheers!
Jesus christ. I cannot read this post. The caps on each word causes so much visual noise it’s impossible to get through. Why would somebody do this?
@@SmackedyDoo I can think of one culture that does this as a matter of course: capitalising every word in a headline, for example, though it's done less frequently now than in the past.
@@Bellbird-y9g How do you mean? One culture…?
Imagine a pitch corrected Leonard Cohen...
Or Tom Waits.
I just recently came across your channel and I'm impressed with your analyses. I would love you to analyze the 1998 live Grammy performance of Alanis Morissette's "Uninvited" backed by the full orchestra. I always just kind of thought of her as a good pop/rock kind of singer. I had no idea she was capable of this performance. I find it to be perfection, and hopefully your analysis confirms! Thank you, Jamie
I think you need to email him check the show notes
Great video again, but remember the Grammy this is nominated for is the Grammy Award for Best Arrangement, Instrumental or A Cappella… they key word here is OR. I would agree that this is not A Cappella, but certainly would fall into the arrangement category
Simple: phrasing, the hallmark of artistic performance, occurs not only BETWEEN groups of pitches, but, in SINGING (I'm a pianist, a percussionist necessarily), phrasing occurs WITHIN a SINGLE note. Hence destroyed by pitch "correction" software.
Hi, Fil. Have you heard about the small controversy between Anthony Oliver and a modern country singer named McCollum? Oliver said that someone who performed after him at a concert in South Carolina was using backing tracks. He never gave a name, but some folks assumed it was McCollum. He posted a response saying that he and his band have NEVER used backing tracks or auto tune. Hopefully, that’s the case, but if so, they would be the exception given today’s practices in “live” “country” music. Anyway, thought I would mention this in case you would like to look into it. I’ve never heard McCollum’s music, but apparently footage from the concert in question is available online.
That's interesting! That artists are starting to actually talk about this sort of thing is a baby step in the right direction!
You are a friend to the musical artist, not a foe.
First day I ever thought of being deaf as a blessing.
Having grown up with The Beatles, The Stones, Simon and Garfunkel etc. She's murdering this song! She's murdering a classic! I guess some people might like it but I grew up with the original version and I just can't listen to this.
A Crappella
So true 😂
😂😂😂
Just like steroid-free body building and athletic competitions, we’ll need a separate Grammy category for natural voices.
They are trying to dehumanize music. We have a spirit and soul. AI cannot have spirit or soul. That is why it sounds empty. It is.
people are flocking to it 😳 Ai music is overtaking real people.. people are posting Ai generated music and claiming it to be "original" 😳 and most people listening can't even pick it up..
@@jesusislukeskywalker4294 It's what's fed to them.
the music industry seems bloody-mindedly intent on processing beautiful vocals into synthy crap so it doesn't sound out of place with the rest of the synthy crap.
they want humans interacting with robots as if it's normal.. i can see where this is all going 😳
well put. The music (production) is crap so must be the vocals. Necessarily.
If you are venturing into Jacob, you are almost on your way to see Aurora. Aurora has one of the most pure raw voices in the world. She did a collab with Jacob for Greenpeace.
Yeah, but I wouldn't start with the greenpeace-piece. I don't know if it's pitch corrected or not, but if _any_ of Aurora's performances are pitch corrected it would have to be this one - simply considering the conditions it was recorded under. Singing in subzero temperatures on a small floating raft in the arctic isn't ideal...
Fan footage from her recent world tour is abundant on youtube, and some of them have surprisingly good sound. That's genuine live singing of the highest order. And then there's all the Live at VEVO's.
@@art_by_accident yes. I agree. I think there are many live performances that would be better examples. I've been watching a lot of fan footage. I was at the Chicago show, and it was amazing.
Her actual voice is amazing! Thank you Fil!
There should be a law to save classic songs from this type of destruction .
Whoever this chick is, she completely ruined an amazing song.
Autotune or pitch correction didn't do her any favours, she shouldn't be allowed to cover other people's songs.
If you can't sing it like the original version and have to add runs and change the entire tune, you can't sing, period.
The music industry is done for.
Thank you Fil for everything you do.
To be fair, this was Jacob's vision and in the behind the scenes video of them recording this song, Jacob was giving every run which in turn Tori replicated. I think Jacob was intending for this to be exaggerated vocally. Tori's music is actually quite diverse in range. She has calmer songs and then more vocally intense songs. I do really like her music!
@@LizzyAlexis No, Tori has been ruining songs for over a decade now with this exact same bullshit subterfuge. Don't blame Jacob, when Tori is the one who's entire career is based on oversinging & trying to warp songs to prove how much better she is than everyone else. She is a blatantly dishonest person, so is Jacob. They are both to blame.
If you don't have something to add to the song, why cover it? Taking a barebones melody and improvising around it has long been a skill expected of the great singers.
@@atomdecayWow you're a certified Tori Kelly hater in the comments, posted 31 comments trying to cancel her existence. Congrats on falling so low at such a mature age. 👏🏻
@@LizzyAlexisIf it was Jacob's vision he needs his glasses cleaned. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Remember - the strength of a soldier is to know when not to fight. I remember when Lorde was asked to sing All Apologies at some awards thing and I've never been more embarrassed to be a New Zealander. She failed to recognise or acknowledge her own limitations and cannibalised it terribly.
13:24 I really wanted the pitch monitor to pop up for your runs. Great job Fil!
Let the tall poppies sway their way.
So is the Talkbox acapela now?
been going on for over a decade 😳
Now I wanna see somebody use a Talkbox where it's just a guy screaming into the back end of the tube instead of an instrument lol
Man a lot of haters for this song, if you want the rendition you want listen to that. The point of this rendition was to show off vocal ability but also if you listen to any Jacob’s music, he has notes going all over the place that’s just who he is. I love this rendition just you have to appreciate how someone can sing with such agility it’s astonishing no one can sing that but Tori it really is amazing.
That sounds bad, to me. I don't like that style with runs, but this makes me cringe.
Tori ruins anything she touches by constantly trying to flex her vocals with 7,000,000 vocal runs & ridiculously oversang phrases. This could be all natural & would still sound terrible because Tori is incapable of just SINGING THE SONG without trying to show how much better she is than everyone else.
You clearly haven't listen to her enough she's actually one of the most humble people in the industry.
@lovelylife3012 I have known about Tori Kelly since Myspace when she used to post acoustic covers before she was even on American Idol, & I have always felt exactly how I do now. Oversinging, constant flaunting of her vocal ability, constant showboating to the point where several people in these comments alone have stated that they don't even recognize the song anymore.
Wings of Pegasus is the Louis Rossmann of pitch, with less anger...and I'm here for it!