1:31 - If you’re prioritizing takedown defence, keep your hands lower. If you’re prioritizing defending against strikes to the head, keep your hands higher. Or, keep your hands lower to prepare to defend takedowns, and be ready to slip or pull to defend against strikes to the head. _The key is to be adaptable._
If your prioritizing not getting knocked out keep your chin tucked and hands up by your face! I think this is a big problem with why wing Chun gets a bad name you are simply relying on reflexes when out of range! If you are in close Quarters where wing chun actually lives and have made contact you don't need a guard! I personally don't believe or call the typical position a guard it's just a neutral position for training.
I agree with you... partially. Wing Chun gets a bad name because 95% of them don't spar regularly, and then want to challenge people who have been sparring for years. That is ridiculous. Thankfully, I see things slowly changing for the better. If you watch MMA, you'll notice that when going against wrestlers/grapplers, fighters will keep their hands lower to be quicker to defend takedowns. Anyone who does MMA knows this. There isn't a "one rule fits all" approach to combat sports. It depends on your environment, the rules, the equipment, your own preferences, and who's in front of you. Adaptability is the only rule. Then, if you're only talking about boxing, there have been boxing champs that have made great use of the long guard such as Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko. I personally don't believe that Wing Chun is only for fighting on the inside. The principles apply whether you're on the inside or on the outside. And, before getting on the inside, you start on the outside. So, if you hardly ever train on the outside, how are you supposed to survive long enough to get on the inside? Jabs are coming, and fighters train to strike while moving back... Anyways, just my 2 cents. We can agree to disagree. Thanks for watching!
Hi I certainly don't disagree with anything in that reply ! And by the way I'm not trying to shit on wing chun I'm 41 and started martial arts 35 years ago 10 years in I started wing chun and iv never completely stopped I started WSL Linage then later TST and both have their pros and cons in my opinion. I guess i should mention iv never competed but I've done plenty boxing sparring with heaps amateur fighters etc plenty backyard boxing with friends growing up ,iv done a bit of security work and whilst I don't look for trouble have also managed to end up in alot more fights/ self defense scenarios than most, anyway just don't want you to think I'm some keyboard warrior I'd love to meet up for a respectful exchange but I'm in Sydney Australia!@@GaryMaWingChun
@@GaryMaWingChunAnyway my thoughts on what you said would be that those pro fighters you mentioned have much better head movement footwork and general fighter IQ that your typical wing chun guy so they can get away with it alot even then tho they generally also have their chin tucked and as you say in some cases to defend takedowns ! Most people that attack you or start fights in streets are not MMA fighters they don't do Bjj or Wrestling either ( usually! of coarse its possible)they are pretty much goin to be aggressive head hunters and which is why for this environment I recommend hands up chin tucked! If your training MMA fighters they will need alot more than just a lower guard . To Answer your question too a good start would as I mentioned and I personally wouldn't start with wing chun outside it's possible but it just leaves you to open and you can't afford to be knocked out anytime especially on the street! If I started with wing chun I'd want the butterfly Knives lol or know that I'm twice as fast with way quicker reflexes. I think for most boxing is best at this distance it works better with my preferred guard too obviously, in saying that I simply hunch more so I'm pointing my hands at them still too 😉
I feel like there's pros and cons to both traditional horizontal punch and vertical fist As mentioned, the pros of the vertical fist it’s connected to the elbow (could also be seen in Jack dempsey’s “powerline” concept), splitting the guard, and non telegraphing the punch with flared elbow/shoulder motion (prime example in boxing would be Manny Pacqioau) But there are also cons to vertical fists, which are it's unnatural to most people (depends unless they trained that way), it has less range (cus the shoulder isn’t activated), it doesn’t utilize body rotation power (unlike the normal way, difference between arm punching and with the body), and usually the problem lies because of the drop after the initial strike aka defense - cus the elbow’s tendency to drop, leaving the face open for attacks that come around the centerline (mostly hooks) happening during the attackt argeting the face With horizontal punches, where they generate from body rotation and the shoulders play a part, at least the shoulders would partly cover the side of the chin of the striking arm. Is easier striking at head level when they come from a high guard So I came to the conclusion that Vertical and Horizontal fists should be put into use depending on the circumstances, and also just because it's faster and occupies center line, doesn't mean its not susceptible to counters. Also depends on the body level in which you are striking, like for example, when throwing a body hook/upper noone does that with a horizontal fist, cus it wouldn’t translate to power
Definitely pros and cons to both. If I'm in a boxing setting, I'm using more horizontal punches than vertical punches. If I'm in a self-defence or MMA setting, I'm using more vertical punches. I agree with the body rotation comment. It has to do with ranges. We do always use hip power, but if you turn your shoulders too much in close range, there isn't enough space for that. Generally, when boxers are "infighting", they face more and don't rotate their shoulders as much either. And, if you don't face your opponent squarely in close range, you're very likely to have your back taken or get taken down in a wrestling/MMA/self-defence setting. There's no risk of that happening in boxing so guys can just march into close range, as long as they defend punches, and throw a perfect 90 degree elbow hook with their entire body and over-rotate, and not worry about being taken down, kneed in the face, elbowed, or have their back taken before, during or after that hook. Punch ranges are way different when there are other threats. However, throwing a jab-cross with vertical fists in an unbridged range (longer range) is possible with hip and more shoulder rotation. It covers a lot of distance and is very hard to see coming. Dropping the striking hand, i.e. chain punching, I would not advise doing that in bigger gloves, longer range, and no threats of knees or takedowns. Every style and every punch is susceptible to counters. Unless you land first with enough power. Thanks for watching!
Very interesting and efficient technique as demonstrated (as usual), thank you for sharing. We definitely don’t want a broken hand after punching 😅, even with the adrenaline compensation!
Definitely! A broken hand is bad any way we look at it. But it's infinitely worse in a self-defence scenario than it is in a cage with a ref. Thanks for watching!
“Izzy throws that jab without turning it over. It’s very interesting… He throws it often times with the thumb up!“ - Joe Rogan, round 3, with 4:13 left in the round. “And look at that jab of Adesanya! But you see, I’m seeing how he doesn’t turn it over?… He just pops it out there. It’s so fast!” - Joe Rogan, between rounds 3 & 4.
Joe Rogan 1: ua-cam.com/video/yWyMlZvrk6k/v-deo.htmlsi=hLVQBhPo1_QxMYcv&t=1101 Joe Rogan 2: ua-cam.com/video/yWyMlZvrk6k/v-deo.htmlsi=JMykOjVORlHqueR-&t=1361 Din Thomas: ua-cam.com/video/yWyMlZvrk6k/v-deo.htmlsi=dHDZWzXEgHjwB4aP&t=1424
I’ve also seen powerful vertical punches done by Ulric Poirier in UFC299 (against Saint Denis). These punches are clearly making a difference in the fight and surprising the opponent!
Hello master, can you please make a video on how to stop being scared when punch is coming, i always blink and lean back, in sparings, i fail that pressure test, sometimes rarely, i block and attack like it's a movie but it's in a calm state of mind, when I'm relaxed you see there are people who have athletic body, and people with big traps, and those traps kinda distract, idk how to explain it's so easy to deffend those who are shorter, and don't fake punches, so easy, i can block their punches with one hand, but my brother is a pressure fighter, and i kinda chase his hands when he throws punches, it's hard sometimes, and i forgeg all of the footwork, switches, and bridging, i do just bong sao, and wu sao, and they work, i block punches and counter attack him, and he feels pain in his forearms after my elbow blocks 😂, he's taller and it makes his punches scarier and unpredictable it pisses me off
Vertical fist punches dont have power. Wing chun vertical fist punch advocates are always trying to downplay horizontal punches, people always get knocked out by that latter punch style. Also, you showed the MMA fight, that fighter was't likely intending to throw a vertical fist punch.
Thanks for the knowledge. Never knew. It all makes so much sense
Glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching!
1:31 - If you’re prioritizing takedown defence, keep your hands lower. If you’re prioritizing defending against strikes to the head, keep your hands higher. Or, keep your hands lower to prepare to defend takedowns, and be ready to slip or pull to defend against strikes to the head. _The key is to be adaptable._
If your prioritizing not getting knocked out keep your chin tucked and hands up by your face! I think this is a big problem with why wing Chun gets a bad name you are simply relying on reflexes when out of range! If you are in close Quarters where wing chun actually lives and have made contact you don't need a guard! I personally don't believe or call the typical position a guard it's just a neutral position for training.
I agree with you... partially.
Wing Chun gets a bad name because 95% of them don't spar regularly, and then want to challenge people who have been sparring for years. That is ridiculous. Thankfully, I see things slowly changing for the better.
If you watch MMA, you'll notice that when going against wrestlers/grapplers, fighters will keep their hands lower to be quicker to defend takedowns. Anyone who does MMA knows this.
There isn't a "one rule fits all" approach to combat sports. It depends on your environment, the rules, the equipment, your own preferences, and who's in front of you. Adaptability is the only rule.
Then, if you're only talking about boxing, there have been boxing champs that have made great use of the long guard such as Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko.
I personally don't believe that Wing Chun is only for fighting on the inside. The principles apply whether you're on the inside or on the outside. And, before getting on the inside, you start on the outside. So, if you hardly ever train on the outside, how are you supposed to survive long enough to get on the inside? Jabs are coming, and fighters train to strike while moving back...
Anyways, just my 2 cents. We can agree to disagree. Thanks for watching!
Hi I certainly don't disagree with anything in that reply ! And by the way I'm not trying to shit on wing chun I'm 41 and started martial arts 35 years ago 10 years in I started wing chun and iv never completely stopped I started WSL Linage then later TST and both have their pros and cons in my opinion. I guess i should mention iv never competed but I've done plenty boxing sparring with heaps amateur fighters etc plenty backyard boxing with friends growing up ,iv done a bit of security work and whilst I don't look for trouble have also managed to end up in alot more fights/ self defense scenarios than most, anyway just don't want you to think I'm some keyboard warrior I'd love to meet up for a respectful exchange but I'm in Sydney Australia!@@GaryMaWingChun
@@GaryMaWingChunAnyway my thoughts on what you said would be that those pro fighters you mentioned have much better head movement footwork and general fighter IQ that your typical wing chun guy so they can get away with it alot even then tho they generally also have their chin tucked and as you say in some cases to defend takedowns !
Most people that attack you or start fights in streets are not MMA fighters they don't do Bjj or Wrestling either ( usually! of coarse its possible)they are pretty much goin to be aggressive head hunters and which is why for this environment I recommend hands up chin tucked!
If your training MMA fighters they will need alot more than just a lower guard .
To Answer your question too a good start would as I mentioned and I personally wouldn't start with wing chun outside it's possible but it just leaves you to open and you can't afford to be knocked out anytime especially on the street! If I started with wing chun I'd want the butterfly Knives lol or know that I'm twice as fast with way quicker reflexes. I think for most boxing is best at this distance it works better with my preferred guard too obviously, in saying that I simply hunch more so I'm pointing my hands at them still too 😉
I feel like there's pros and cons to both traditional horizontal punch and vertical fist
As mentioned, the pros of the vertical fist it’s connected to the elbow (could also be seen in Jack dempsey’s “powerline” concept), splitting the guard, and non telegraphing the punch with flared elbow/shoulder motion (prime example in boxing would be Manny Pacqioau)
But there are also cons to vertical fists, which are it's unnatural to most people (depends unless they trained that way), it has less range (cus the shoulder isn’t activated), it doesn’t utilize body rotation power (unlike the normal way, difference between arm punching and with the body), and usually the problem lies because of the drop after the initial strike aka defense - cus the elbow’s tendency to drop, leaving the face open for attacks that come around the centerline (mostly hooks) happening during the attackt argeting the face
With horizontal punches, where they generate from body rotation and the shoulders play a part, at least the shoulders would partly cover the side of the chin of the striking arm. Is easier striking at head level when they come from a high guard
So I came to the conclusion that Vertical and Horizontal fists should be put into use depending on the circumstances, and also just because it's faster and occupies center line, doesn't mean its not susceptible to counters. Also depends on the body level in which you are striking, like for example, when throwing a body hook/upper noone does that with a horizontal fist, cus it wouldn’t translate to power
Definitely pros and cons to both. If I'm in a boxing setting, I'm using more horizontal punches than vertical punches. If I'm in a self-defence or MMA setting, I'm using more vertical punches.
I agree with the body rotation comment. It has to do with ranges. We do always use hip power, but if you turn your shoulders too much in close range, there isn't enough space for that. Generally, when boxers are "infighting", they face more and don't rotate their shoulders as much either.
And, if you don't face your opponent squarely in close range, you're very likely to have your back taken or get taken down in a wrestling/MMA/self-defence setting. There's no risk of that happening in boxing so guys can just march into close range, as long as they defend punches, and throw a perfect 90 degree elbow hook with their entire body and over-rotate, and not worry about being taken down, kneed in the face, elbowed, or have their back taken before, during or after that hook. Punch ranges are way different when there are other threats.
However, throwing a jab-cross with vertical fists in an unbridged range (longer range) is possible with hip and more shoulder rotation. It covers a lot of distance and is very hard to see coming.
Dropping the striking hand, i.e. chain punching, I would not advise doing that in bigger gloves, longer range, and no threats of knees or takedowns.
Every style and every punch is susceptible to counters. Unless you land first with enough power.
Thanks for watching!
Very interesting and efficient technique as demonstrated (as usual), thank you for sharing. We definitely don’t want a broken hand after punching 😅, even with the adrenaline compensation!
Definitely! A broken hand is bad any way we look at it. But it's infinitely worse in a self-defence scenario than it is in a cage with a ref. Thanks for watching!
“Izzy throws that jab without turning it over. It’s very interesting… He throws it often times with the thumb up!“ - Joe Rogan, round 3, with 4:13 left in the round.
“And look at that jab of Adesanya! But you see, I’m seeing how he doesn’t turn it over?… He just pops it out there. It’s so fast!” - Joe Rogan, between rounds 3 & 4.
Great video! Is there anyway you can link to the fight where Joe Rogan says that?
Joe Rogan 1: ua-cam.com/video/yWyMlZvrk6k/v-deo.htmlsi=hLVQBhPo1_QxMYcv&t=1101
Joe Rogan 2: ua-cam.com/video/yWyMlZvrk6k/v-deo.htmlsi=JMykOjVORlHqueR-&t=1361
Din Thomas: ua-cam.com/video/yWyMlZvrk6k/v-deo.htmlsi=dHDZWzXEgHjwB4aP&t=1424
I’ve also seen powerful vertical punches done by Ulric Poirier in UFC299 (against Saint Denis). These punches are clearly making a difference in the fight and surprising the opponent!
I love watching Dustin Poirier fight. Unfortunately, I think he recently said that he is going to fight one last time.
It's just a good way of throwing a jab that doesn't telegraph! It focuses more on landing rather than power and its also is more energy preserving.
Hello master, can you please make a video on how to stop being scared when punch is coming, i always blink and lean back, in sparings, i fail that pressure test, sometimes rarely, i block and attack like it's a movie but it's in a calm state of mind, when I'm relaxed you see there are people who have athletic body, and people with big traps, and those traps kinda distract, idk how to explain it's so easy to deffend those who are shorter, and don't fake punches, so easy, i can block their punches with one hand, but my brother is a pressure fighter, and i kinda chase his hands when he throws punches, it's hard sometimes, and i forgeg all of the footwork, switches, and bridging, i do just bong sao, and wu sao, and they work, i block punches and counter attack him, and he feels pain in his forearms after my elbow blocks 😂, he's taller and it makes his punches scarier and unpredictable it pisses me off
Vertical fist punches dont have power. Wing chun vertical fist punch advocates are always trying to downplay horizontal punches, people always get knocked out by that latter punch style. Also, you showed the MMA fight, that fighter was't likely intending to throw a vertical fist punch.