Mr.Pattee mentions the Dreadnoughts, but not the 1902 launch of the first Submarine. How about the Blockade of the German and Austrian harbors 1904-1919? How about the invasion of Russia in 1919/1920 via the Baltic Sea? Who derailed the oil-trains on the Berlin-Bagdad railway? Who was Wilhelm Wassmussen?
Apart from the loss of bases, my understanding is that Von Spee also exited across the Pacific because the RAN battlecruiser HMAS Australia alone was seen by him as more powerful than his entire cruiser fleet. Ironically the British Admiralty was over-cautious about it being committed to destroying it. A fascinating side story is the incredible adventures of the Emden in the Indian Ocean, sinking numerous vessels (with a noble level of attention to minimising bloodshed in the process). The landing party from the SMS Emden on Cocos Island escaped in a barely seaworthy schooner and made their way back ultimately to Constantinople to report to the commander of the Goeben. It would make a great movie.
There’s a German television film called The Men of the Emden which is about this journey. It’s not on UA-cam as far as I can tell. It may come up on Amazon at some point.
@@ccalthrop6347 there are a couple of videos on the tube-u-all, the first of which is the link below. the second should show up as a suggestion with the first. the title appears to be "Hunt the Kaiser's Cruisers" and is on the wocomoHISTORY channel ua-cam.com/video/tSVLYVKSxWY/v-deo.html
there is a channel here on this platform that started out as a world of warships fan channel but in the intervening years has become a full on naval history channel covering from greek and roman times up to, as I believe it has been put, the last gun based warship was launched. Drachinifel is the name, naval history is the game
I wonder why the camera operator didn't zoom in on the maps being shown so that we could see what he is talking about. Must have been someone's 12 year old son manning the camera. This would have been a much more interesting presentation.
I have watched a great many of these WW I lecture series and whilst more than few contain some rather dull speakers, this gentleman is painful to watch/hear - e.g., "these guys", "over here". What 'guys'? And over 'where'??
When the speaker talks about putting "transmitters" out of action, what exactly are we talking about? Just a wireless Marconi telegraph machine and some sort of radio tower? I would think it rather easy to hide these things.
Pretty much my thoughts also. Radio was new at the time, so not only large, but also short range relatively, not to mention not hugely reliable. So in most cases the transmitters would, in my opinion, almost certainly have been Telegraph. All those stations would have been known, as where they were was entirely dependant on where the wires came to shore.
Actually, scratch that, some were telegraph stations, but many were indeed wireless transmitters. Range was not great, and they were big, but wireless transmitters they were indeed. They had a mix of the two. Was an interesting lecture.
They'd be as easy to hide as a modern AM broadcast-band transmitter site. In other words, not easy at all. The antenna is the key thing. The size of the antenna depends on the wavelength of the signal. In those days, typical wavelengths would be around 600 meters or so. You'd want an omnidirectional signal, because you'd want to be able to communicate with ships no matter where they were, so you'd probably want a vertical antenna. It's pretty hard to hide a 150-300 meter tall tower, especially on a tiny island.
„…and they have the Battle of Falklands here which destroys that threat once and for all.” Well, the Dresden survived the battle and THREATened the entente traffic for mounth in the region so it was virtually stopped till march. Then one of the squadrons looking after her found her in neutral Chilean waters while awaiting internment and they opened fire - because they had orders to do so. Some German sailors died by way of this ’glorious’ deed. anyway: - Leipzig is no lipstick - Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck is his name, not Lettow von Vorbeck.
Ah... 'Glorious' deed.... I suppose torpedoing ships picking up survivors by German submarines is perfectly fine however? That is just war, but as soon as it is done by British, it becomes cowardly, criminal, etc... Nice set of double standards you have there.
I'm not sure if it's been done yet but it would be absolutely fascinating to get a full lecture completely dedicated to the full story of the SS Emden
Mr.Pattee mentions the Dreadnoughts, but not the 1902 launch of the first Submarine. How about the Blockade of the German and Austrian harbors 1904-1919? How about the invasion of Russia in 1919/1920 via the Baltic Sea? Who derailed the oil-trains on the Berlin-Bagdad railway? Who was Wilhelm Wassmussen?
Very interesting talk. You might take a look at a book called "Coal Black Sea" about the tragic loss of the three cruisers.
Very interesting talk .... learned much I did not know. Many thx to all involved.
Apart from the loss of bases, my understanding is that Von Spee also exited across the Pacific because the RAN battlecruiser HMAS Australia alone was seen by him as more powerful than his entire cruiser fleet. Ironically the British Admiralty was over-cautious about it being committed to destroying it. A fascinating side story is the incredible adventures of the Emden in the Indian Ocean, sinking numerous vessels (with a noble level of attention to minimising bloodshed in the process). The landing party from the SMS Emden on Cocos Island escaped in a barely seaworthy schooner and made their way back ultimately to Constantinople to report to the commander of the Goeben. It would make a great movie.
There’s a German television film called The Men of the Emden which is about this journey. It’s not on UA-cam as far as I can tell. It may come up on Amazon at some point.
Hms Australia was the best defence spending that Australia ever did.
@@ccalthrop6347 there are a couple of videos on the tube-u-all, the first of which is the link below. the second should show up as a suggestion with the first.
the title appears to be "Hunt the Kaiser's Cruisers" and is on the wocomoHISTORY
channel
ua-cam.com/video/tSVLYVKSxWY/v-deo.html
there is a channel here on this platform that started out as a world of warships fan channel but in the intervening years has become a full on naval history channel
covering from greek and roman times up to, as I believe it has been put,
the last gun based warship was launched.
Drachinifel is the name, naval history is the game
Synopsis. All German warships sunk , excepting 2 who escaped to Istanbul. High seas fleet confined to North sea for war
Note Goeben was a Battlecruiser and Breslau was a light cruiser they were not heavy crusiers
Heavy cruisers wouldn’t exist until the Washington naval treaty
The RN's task of securing the seas for unimpeded British use did not come from Mahon. It was already a long used principle.
never heard of the Germans having 16" guns. Where did this information come from?
subtitles when ?!
Great!
I wonder why the camera operator didn't zoom in on the maps being shown so that we could see what he is talking about. Must have been someone's 12 year old son manning the camera. This would have been a much more interesting presentation.
why not add subtitles at least in english...
I have watched a great many of these WW I lecture series and whilst more than few contain some rather dull speakers, this gentleman is painful to watch/hear - e.g., "these guys", "over here". What 'guys'? And over 'where'??
"these guys"
When the speaker talks about putting "transmitters" out of action, what exactly are we talking about? Just a wireless Marconi telegraph machine and some sort of radio tower? I would think it rather easy to hide these things.
Pretty much my thoughts also. Radio was new at the time, so not only large, but also short range relatively, not to mention not hugely reliable. So in most cases the transmitters would, in my opinion, almost certainly have been Telegraph.
All those stations would have been known, as where they were was entirely dependant on where the wires came to shore.
Actually, scratch that, some were telegraph stations, but many were indeed wireless transmitters. Range was not great, and they were big, but wireless transmitters they were indeed. They had a mix of the two. Was an interesting lecture.
They'd be as easy to hide as a modern AM broadcast-band transmitter site. In other words, not easy at all. The antenna is the key thing. The size of the antenna depends on the wavelength of the signal. In those days, typical wavelengths would be around 600 meters or so. You'd want an omnidirectional signal, because you'd want to be able to communicate with ships no matter where they were, so you'd probably want a vertical antenna. It's pretty hard to hide a 150-300 meter tall tower, especially on a tiny island.
@@michaelsommers2356 alternatively Micheal you could have dug a 200 metre hole. Just a suggestion mate :)
„…and they have the Battle of Falklands here which destroys that threat once and for all.”
Well, the Dresden survived the battle and THREATened the entente traffic for mounth in the region so it was virtually stopped till march. Then one of the squadrons looking after her found her in neutral Chilean waters while awaiting internment and they opened fire - because they had orders to do so. Some German sailors died by way of this ’glorious’ deed.
anyway:
- Leipzig is no lipstick
- Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck is his name, not Lettow von Vorbeck.
Ah... 'Glorious' deed....
I suppose torpedoing ships picking up survivors by German submarines is perfectly fine however? That is just war, but as soon as it is done by British, it becomes cowardly, criminal, etc...
Nice set of double standards you have there.
@CipiRipi00 why do you think fighting your opponent in neutral waters is worse than machine gunning sailors from a sunk ship 💀