Red Dot Forum Camera Talk: Leica M System - 2023/ Where are we now?

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  • Опубліковано 29 січ 2025

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  • @shuguo5882
    @shuguo5882 Рік тому +5

    What made it so long for you guys to bring another fantastic show to us! Please do more!

  • @tennez
    @tennez Рік тому

    Amazing show! Thank you all!

  • @mauraece
    @mauraece Рік тому +2

    It’s been a while, good seeing you guys are at it again.

    • @RedDotForum
      @RedDotForum  Рік тому +1

      Lots of photo workshop travel this time of year for us.

  • @HamadRK
    @HamadRK Рік тому

    Ty guys for a wonderful episode !

  • @richarddenise3886
    @richarddenise3886 Рік тому

    You gentlemen out did yourselves! Much appreciated.!

  • @pietrotpunkt
    @pietrotpunkt Рік тому

    It‘s always enjoying to watch your show. 😍

  • @on-streetphotography366
    @on-streetphotography366 Рік тому

    Wow. So much Leica expert know how! This is great and very useful. Thank you very much.

  • @herwigv
    @herwigv Рік тому

    Brilliant - thank you guys

  • @AlexKroke
    @AlexKroke Рік тому +2

    Capture one for iOS has been working with tether with M11 since it came out. It trasfare M11 raw files in 3-5 sec. Just set camera to tether connection in the new firmware, If you are on FW161 set PTP. I use it all the time to do remote shooting and in studio shoot

    • @RedDotForum
      @RedDotForum  Рік тому

      Great info. Thanks for confirming this.

  • @rolandrickphotography
    @rolandrickphotography Рік тому +3

    Thanks for another great show, love them all. - At 49:41 , I wished, Leica would adapt the OVF/EVF principle like the Fuji X100s have it. That would avoid the need of sticking an ugly EVF on top of the beautiful and timeless stylish M body.

  • @rolandrickphotography
    @rolandrickphotography Рік тому

    That’s interesting, I use Sony Tough cards in my SL2-S and M10 and never had issues. 1:33:13 What I do is formatting them first in body. My experience is, so many people out there don’t do that - camera brand independent. If people talking about card issues, my first question is always if they formatted the card in body. You’ll be surprised how many didn’t.

  • @KandyRedCoi
    @KandyRedCoi Рік тому +1

    another great episodes gents!
    any chance of doing a “sports photography” episode?

  • @michaelacedeno
    @michaelacedeno Рік тому +5

    Would love to see the push for another firmware update to the CL . Such a great camera for the size 😭

    • @johnkasianowicz6536
      @johnkasianowicz6536 Рік тому +1

      I lost my digital CL to the boss at home. I bought another and it’s a great compact camera.

  • @andrewgardelle516
    @andrewgardelle516 Рік тому

    Is there a way to disable to touch screen in live view on the m10 generation?

  • @thierry1491
    @thierry1491 Рік тому +2

    The new Visioflex on M10R will be on full res capabilities of the EVF?

    • @RedDotForum
      @RedDotForum  Рік тому

      Unfortunately, no. When used on the M10-R, the Visoflex 2 will only display 2.4MP, not the full 3.68MP of the EVF panel. This is a limitation in the camera output.

  • @sjmyamamoto
    @sjmyamamoto Рік тому

    I'm still patiently waiting for the firmware update to make the Profoto Connect Pro work in TTL/HSS on my M10M. The M10M is newer than the SL2-S and that camera has TTL/HSS for the Profoto Connect Pro. I hear that Profoto is working on a Firmware update for the Connect Pro for Leica, but I'm not sure how that will tie into TTL/HSS for the M10M. Time will tell.

  • @Leicam10
    @Leicam10 Рік тому +1

    Let’s hope the frame line preview lever becomes a hybrid evf/ovf changer.

  • @garymc8956
    @garymc8956 Рік тому

    Would Q3 Monochrome be next up? When, concerning usual timeframe? Thanks much for this episode.

  • @tomislavstanich9379
    @tomislavstanich9379 Рік тому

    Also: Can the owners of the LEICA S2, and S2P face the CCD sensor corrosion as on the sensor of the M9 in the near future? Are the CCD sensors on both cameras based on the same structure and architecture by both being based on the CCD technology?

  • @OpenDGuitar
    @OpenDGuitar Рік тому

    Greatly enjoy your videos…very informative. Been a Q2 shooter for 2 years.

    • @johnkasianowicz6536
      @johnkasianowicz6536 11 місяців тому

      I used to have a Q2 Monochrom and I loved it (I regret selling it). Great form factor, high image quality, and the built-in macro adapter made the Q2M my preferred carry (over the SL2 and digital CL, both are terrific cameras too). I can imagine that the color version would also be a pleasure to use.

    • @OpenDGuitar
      @OpenDGuitar 11 місяців тому

      When we got the Q2, I couldn’t give up color, as it was likely the only Leica I would ever use. But I do mostly B&W.

    • @johnkasianowicz6536
      @johnkasianowicz6536 11 місяців тому

      @@OpenDGuitar I’m sure you’re having fun with the Q2. My Q2M felt like an old school camera with modern amenities.

  • @tomislavstanich9379
    @tomislavstanich9379 Рік тому

    Why the forwarding lever on the LEICA M10D can NOT manually advance the next exposure as on the: DMR/M8,9 and Epson RD1, which can save the battery energy, as well? That way all the users can feel the complete full feeling as of using the M film cameras?

    • @RedDotForum
      @RedDotForum  Рік тому +1

      We would love this. Used the manual advance of the R9/DMR back in the day. But, given the shutter advance system in the M10, there was no physical way to connect the lever with the advance mechanism.

    • @tomislavstanich9379
      @tomislavstanich9379 Рік тому

      Thank you sooo much. This was bugging me for soo long time, and I' decided to ask as an issue, but today I' ve understand why?!
      Following all all of shows.
      Thank you.
      Secondly: So you think tjat the CCD sensor in my LEICA S2P can corrode amy minute, by having it for almost 10 years?

  • @christofferbersau6929
    @christofferbersau6929 Рік тому

    I wish they bring the big dial on the analog Ms

  • @MykeWinters
    @MykeWinters Рік тому

    I wonder if the M-12 will have a tilting screen

  • @Funktrainer
    @Funktrainer Рік тому

    The M8/M9's UI is way better than the later ones.

  • @hkraytai
    @hkraytai Рік тому

    Any more re-issues of classic lenses coming up?

  • @j5daniel182
    @j5daniel182 Рік тому

    Thing is its a different era now. Being able to use an M camera for short videos - for IG Reels/tiktok to supplement the photos would be an excellent addition. EVen if its limited to 10-15 seconds. I'd rather have it than have to carry another camera .

    • @Kevon420
      @Kevon420 Рік тому +1

      😂 buy a Sony if you want that. The α7C II is a very good camera. M is about the essentials of photography, the SL is the Leica hybrid mirrorless camera.

  • @dans.8198
    @dans.8198 Рік тому

    @1:56:47 Fixing that M11 lower resolution performance issue should be a priority for the next firmware upgrade.

    • @Kevon420
      @Kevon420 Рік тому

      Except it isn’t a glitch, it’s how it works. Shooting at M-DNG or S-DNG saves space on your SD card and gives you more buffer when shooting, no thing else.

    • @dans.8198
      @dans.8198 Рік тому

      @@Kevon420 If it degrades image quality due to a suboptimal algorithm, then it should be fixed. Talk about striving for excellence…

    • @RedDotForum
      @RedDotForum  Рік тому +1

      While shooting in M-DNG doesn't provide any advantage over L-DNG regarding image quality and low light performance, it doesn't hurt it either. L-DNG and M-DNG perform the same. The only "degradation" is the loss of resolution, but that's now a choice for the photographer based on intended use.

    • @dans.8198
      @dans.8198 Рік тому +1

      @@RedDotForum Let me rephrase that. If it is true that shooting L-DNG and then rescaling in software to 36 MP has better dynamic range / detail / noise than shooting M-DNG (36 MP), as you guys said, then Leica is using a suboptimal algorithm, and this issue should be fixed. After all, like you said, users are paying not only for the camera but for all the nice software and firmware upgrades.

    • @Kevon420
      @Kevon420 Рік тому

      @@dans.8198 the dynamic range stays the same regardless of the resolution shot at. The Sony α7RV uses the same underlying sensor as the M11, and has a similar multiple resolution mode but with 26MP and 15MP instead of 36 and 18. With that camera, there is also no dynamic range benefit but I have heard the 15MP mode bypasses the bayer filter interpolation, though I've not seen extensive testing on it - the M11 does not have this feature but maybe the SL3 will (but who knows what sensor that will have.)

  • @dovetomarc
    @dovetomarc Рік тому

    A matter of opinion and personal preference whether or not the M11 is an upgrade or not. Always need to promote new products to keep sales growing.

  • @richarddenise3886
    @richarddenise3886 Рік тому +1

    Do the Q3 accessories that I ordered actually exist.
    Merry Christmas! ...

  • @TheVFXbyArt
    @TheVFXbyArt Рік тому

    1:09:10
    …you also buy into future discounted leicas…. I.e. the M9->M11 upgrade.

  • @thierry1491
    @thierry1491 Рік тому +5

    The channel is called the red dot but you guys always wear square ;-)

  • @tdfrie
    @tdfrie Рік тому +1

    Please lower Josh’s amphetamine dose from 500mg down to 5mg.
    I had to play the video at 1/2 speed to understand what he was saying.

  • @dustinjenkins8215
    @dustinjenkins8215 Рік тому

    I just can't imagine why someone would sacrifice their fragile shutter blades to protect a sensor that has a dedicated cover glass that protects the sensor.

    • @RedDotForum
      @RedDotForum  Рік тому

      With the latest v2.0.2 update, the choice is now yours whether you want the shutter to stay open or close during lens changes.

  • @damienphotographe
    @damienphotographe Рік тому

    Hello, at 1:09:30 you lecture us on always updating the firmware which I was not doing as long as I was happy. So I did and the SL2 is no more working as before ! You are certainly aware, also here ua-cam.com/video/OkPBivCU87g/v-deo.htmlsi=dyzCPEAQr9Yx7b-W . Happy NY anyhow it's not your fault, just bad luck...

  • @camelotvanerven9667
    @camelotvanerven9667 Рік тому

    I believe there's too much tech in the M11, combined with flawed software. Bring back simple M with a great sensor ( max 40 Mp), no frills.

    • @nymzoindian7250
      @nymzoindian7250 Рік тому

      Just need these features before ossifying!
      - ibis
      - AI
      - hybrid vf & focusing
      - digital back / non-rf
      - global shutter
      - carbon fiber body
      - etc… 😅

  • @klarkolofsson
    @klarkolofsson 10 місяців тому

    What do you DON'T pay for when buying Leica gear is customer service though. 6 months to fix a product issue is just unacceptable.

    • @johnkasianowicz6536
      @johnkasianowicz6536 9 місяців тому

      Leica service can be slow, likely due to the small size of the company. However, I’ve had excellent service from Leica, and found them to stand behind their products.
      When I visited Wetzlar, I noticed that they keep old equipment on hand in case they need to fix legacy equipment. In contrast, I sent my 20-35 mm f/2.8 D AF Nikkor lens to Nikon to get cleaned and lubricated (the lens was hard to manually focus due to the old grease). Nikon sent the lens back to me stating that they don’t have the parts to fix the lens. I later sent the lens to a camera repair shop in NJ, and they did the CLA for $250, and the lens works fine.

  • @RealCelticGamer
    @RealCelticGamer 7 місяців тому

    There are too many M bodies tyst basically all do the same thing.

  • @jpm5205
    @jpm5205 Рік тому +3

    NO EVF please.

  • @JayWe94
    @JayWe94 Рік тому

    Am i just watching two guys shilling the m11 which is clearly not worth getting since m10-r is way cheaper and has all the functions u need?

    • @johnkasianowicz6536
      @johnkasianowicz6536 11 місяців тому

      I doubt that everyone has the same photographic needs.