That’s not a very strong argument. you don’t just ponder around for a few seasons and win a title. you must have incredible racing talent to win such a championship like GP2.
@@abyss18 Yes, but 4 seasons mean you probably aren't good enough for F1. By that time you know the car better than anyone and have more mileage than any drivers on the grid. Pantano didn't get a shot at F1 after his win (although he did drive for Jordan in 04). Neither did Valsecchi and for a very good reason. Leimer wasn't even close in his first three years and he won in 2013, out of the 5 drivers who made F1 from that season: 2 failed to score at all, the other 3 yielded 46 points between them and 0 podiums. It was a weak grid
@@jax4113 Doesn't change the fact that he at least should have had a chance in F1. He still was young and certainly had talent to at least be good. And well Felipe Nasr would have been pretty good if he had an actual good car, Sam Bird did fantastic in FE for many years and Alex Rossi was also a very good driver, seen by his IndyCar success. And also, sometimes it takes time for drivers to click. I mean Nigel Mansell needed quite a few years before he actually got real speed and consistency. Same goes for a driver like Jody Scheckter or Mario Andretti
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Palmer was one of the guys from the previous list of 2013 GP2 drivers that made it to F1, and that was a woeful list. He too did 4 seasons of GP2, winning in 2014. He had a poor 2016 in a terrible Renault but his 2017 was really off the pace. He was outscored by Hülkenberg comprehensively and Sainz, who only drove 4 rounds for Renault, scored only 1 less point than he did. He really wasn't proper F1 material by the time he made it too. He was also 2 years younger than Laimer which was an advantage.
It's a bit crazy that a GP2 championship and $14 million dollars couldn't secure him an F1 seat. Frankly, I would have preferred to see Leimer in F1 than Gutierrez (who was a huge disappointment after a pretty solid junior formula career). Just discovered your channel and really loving the content. Keep up the good work, sir!
I wouldn't say that 2013 season was the least competetive GP2 season. Racing itself was very good as drivers from several teams were contending for victories during each round. After 8 rounds top 5 in championship was within 1 victory from leader. In addition to those who made F1 there were several solid drivers with successful careers in other series such as James Calado, Sam Bird, Mitch Evans and Robin Frijns. But yeah, that field didn't have future F1 stars in it
Excluding Grosjean (who only completed half of 2009 & 2010), almost every GP2 or F2 driver who enters F1 after 4 years at that level is incredibly mid or poor (Latifi, Ericsson, Palmer, Haryanto). Honestly, 2013 GP2 had one of the worst fields featured since 2003/04 F3000. I really do not like this argument that every F2 champion deserves a shot at F1, when the likes of Max, Kimi, Alonso & Button made the step up (skipping GP2/F3000 for Max & JB & even f3 for Kimi) with huge success after just 2 years in junior formula (just 1 for Max)
@@crystalracing4794 tbf he did adopt really well to IndyCar. Not every driver who doesn't do well in F1 is a bad driver. That's why Ericsson has done better in IndyCar than other, more successful F1 drivers.
Leimer won in the weakest GP2 season ever, without lack of respect to the swiss driver, obviously to win a category like GP2 you will have talent and money between other things but that grid doesn't shine for say one thing, only a couple of drivers had rescued as Nasr, Calado, Bird, Rossi, Ericsson, guys what make a good career in FE, Indycar, WEC or even in the case of Nasr F1 if he went to a good team, also alongside other guys like Evans, Clos or Frijns what are guys with high expectations but without a opportunity to upgrade
I'd argue 2016 was worse when Gasly won. Antonio Giovinazzi was an ok F1 driver but not more. He's doing decently in WEC now. Sergey Sirotkin wasn't a good F1 driver and he did not much more after that. Norman Nato has won 1 FE race and has had some success in WEC but no wins, the same goes for Alex Lynn. The only one with a pretty good career after that was Raffaele Marciello who has won quite a lot of championships in GT races.
He won the probably weakest GP2-grid ever. And failed to shine in other racing series. Nothing personal against Leimer, but his GP2-title back then looks like a freak accident to me nowadays...
Nah 2016 was worse. Giovinazzi and Sirotkin weren't good in F1 at all, though i at least think Giovinazzi is doing ok in WEC. Nato and Lynn have competed in about every series in the universe and are ok drivers at best. The only really successful driver was Raffaele Marciello who won quite a few championships in GT cars including the 2019 GT World Cup. 2013 at least had Sam Bird (one of the FE drivers with the most wins), Alex Rossi an Indy 500 winner and a guy who finished second and third in the IndyCar Series. IndyCar is the most competitive Open Wheel Racing series in the world. James Calado had huge success in GT cars winning the 24 hours of Le Mans the the WEC in the GTE-Pro class (which was arguably the most competitive class in the WEC at the time) Felipe Nasr did very well in F1 given the ressources he had and he is a 2 time IMSA champion. Marcus Ericsson is an Indy 500 winner and Robin Frijns is also a very good IMSA and WEC drvier
i see there is someone with a good knowledge. When did Leimer a full Ferrari Challenge season??^^ His focus was on the GT3 Project on Nordschleife and he just did at least 3 Races to qualify for the World Championship. Ferrari Challenge was just his side hobby, and btw first World Championship he was going for the win before he had a flat tire. Second time he won the World Championship of Ferrari Challenge. Better Knowledge would helped here a lot. have a nice evening^^
Let's face it, he won it during his 4th full GP2 season, any F1 level driver hasn't taken that long. Same with both Pantano and Valsecchi
That’s not a very strong argument. you don’t just ponder around for a few seasons and win a title. you must have incredible racing talent to win such a championship like GP2.
@@abyss18 Yes, but 4 seasons mean you probably aren't good enough for F1. By that time you know the car better than anyone and have more mileage than any drivers on the grid. Pantano didn't get a shot at F1 after his win (although he did drive for Jordan in 04). Neither did Valsecchi and for a very good reason. Leimer wasn't even close in his first three years and he won in 2013, out of the 5 drivers who made F1 from that season: 2 failed to score at all, the other 3 yielded 46 points between them and 0 podiums. It was a weak grid
@@jax4113 Doesn't change the fact that he at least should have had a chance in F1. He still was young and certainly had talent to at least be good. And well Felipe Nasr would have been pretty good if he had an actual good car, Sam Bird did fantastic in FE for many years and Alex Rossi was also a very good driver, seen by his IndyCar success.
And also, sometimes it takes time for drivers to click. I mean Nigel Mansell needed quite a few years before he actually got real speed and consistency. Same goes for a driver like Jody Scheckter or Mario Andretti
How long did Palmer take?
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Palmer was one of the guys from the previous list of 2013 GP2 drivers that made it to F1, and that was a woeful list. He too did 4 seasons of GP2, winning in 2014. He had a poor 2016 in a terrible Renault but his 2017 was really off the pace. He was outscored by Hülkenberg comprehensively and Sainz, who only drove 4 rounds for Renault, scored only 1 less point than he did. He really wasn't proper F1 material by the time he made it too. He was also 2 years younger than Laimer which was an advantage.
It's a bit crazy that a GP2 championship and $14 million dollars couldn't secure him an F1 seat. Frankly, I would have preferred to see Leimer in F1 than Gutierrez (who was a huge disappointment after a pretty solid junior formula career).
Just discovered your channel and really loving the content. Keep up the good work, sir!
especially considering errikson managed 5 seasons in f1!
amazing video gotta say i am thoroughly impressed. Even i had completely forgotten about Fabio having only started watching gp2 the year prior
i think you should do a gp2 season review. Any of the seasons you want to do cause this video is good
nowadays he is a mecanic in swiss karting
I wouldn't say that 2013 season was the least competetive GP2 season. Racing itself was very good as drivers from several teams were contending for victories during each round. After 8 rounds top 5 in championship was within 1 victory from leader. In addition to those who made F1 there were several solid drivers with successful careers in other series such as James Calado, Sam Bird, Mitch Evans and Robin Frijns. But yeah, that field didn't have future F1 stars in it
I'd argue the worst field was 2016
What about Davide Valsecchi he won in 2011 gp2 but never get a sit in F1
Huh, this was uploaded on my 17th birthday
you want to drive in f1, you need to win in your 1st year in f2, or 2nd year or simply with loads of money.
Excluding Grosjean (who only completed half of 2009 & 2010), almost every GP2 or F2 driver who enters F1 after 4 years at that level is incredibly mid or poor (Latifi, Ericsson, Palmer, Haryanto). Honestly, 2013 GP2 had one of the worst fields featured since 2003/04 F3000. I really do not like this argument that every F2 champion deserves a shot at F1, when the likes of Max, Kimi, Alonso & Button made the step up (skipping GP2/F3000 for Max & JB & even f3 for Kimi) with huge success after just 2 years in junior formula (just 1 for Max)
@buggo Yes I did. I love the bloke but he was never uber doper amazing in F1
@@crystalracing4794 tbf he did adopt really well to IndyCar. Not every driver who doesn't do well in F1 is a bad driver. That's why Ericsson has done better in IndyCar than other, more successful F1 drivers.
At least, Ericsson and Latifi had one decent seasons in F1. (2014 and 2018 were decent for Marcus and 2021 was decent for Nicky)
Leimer won in the weakest GP2 season ever, without lack of respect to the swiss driver, obviously to win a category like GP2 you will have talent and money between other things but that grid doesn't shine for say one thing, only a couple of drivers had rescued as Nasr, Calado, Bird, Rossi, Ericsson, guys what make a good career in FE, Indycar, WEC or even in the case of Nasr F1 if he went to a good team, also alongside other guys like Evans, Clos or Frijns what are guys with high expectations but without a opportunity to upgrade
I'd argue 2016 was worse when Gasly won. Antonio Giovinazzi was an ok F1 driver but not more. He's doing decently in WEC now. Sergey Sirotkin wasn't a good F1 driver and he did not much more after that. Norman Nato has won 1 FE race and has had some success in WEC but no wins, the same goes for Alex Lynn. The only one with a pretty good career after that was Raffaele Marciello who has won quite a lot of championships in GT races.
He won the probably weakest GP2-grid ever. And failed to shine in other racing series. Nothing personal against Leimer, but his GP2-title back then looks like a freak accident to me nowadays...
Nah 2016 was worse. Giovinazzi and Sirotkin weren't good in F1 at all, though i at least think Giovinazzi is doing ok in WEC. Nato and Lynn have competed in about every series in the universe and are ok drivers at best. The only really successful driver was Raffaele Marciello who won quite a few championships in GT cars including the 2019 GT World Cup.
2013 at least had Sam Bird (one of the FE drivers with the most wins), Alex Rossi an Indy 500 winner and a guy who finished second and third in the IndyCar Series. IndyCar is the most competitive Open Wheel Racing series in the world.
James Calado had huge success in GT cars winning the 24 hours of Le Mans the the WEC in the GTE-Pro class (which was arguably the most competitive class in the WEC at the time)
Felipe Nasr did very well in F1 given the ressources he had and he is a 2 time IMSA champion. Marcus Ericsson is an Indy 500 winner and Robin Frijns is also a very good IMSA and WEC drvier
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i mean... if you cant win Ferrari challenge you shouldn't even be thinking about f1....... wow.
i see there is someone with a good knowledge. When did Leimer a full Ferrari Challenge season??^^ His focus was on the GT3 Project on Nordschleife and he just did at least 3 Races to qualify for the World Championship. Ferrari Challenge was just his side hobby, and btw first World Championship he was going for the win before he had a flat tire. Second time he won the World Championship of Ferrari Challenge. Better Knowledge would helped here a lot. have a nice evening^^
@@iProRacer he was average end of
@@connorglover8720still better than you will ever be tho