Vega 56 Hybrid at 400W: Bypassing AMD’s Artificial Limit (1742MHz)
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2017
- We bypass Vega 56's artificial power limitation to outmatch Vega 64's performance, using registry mods and a hybrid mod for overclocking.
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Sorry for being annoying (I know you guys are always busy), but are you guys going to review the theadripper 1900x?
No plans to review the 1900X at this time. We have a lot of other stuff to catch up on.
Gamers Nexus Its the amount of rendering units they have makes them struggle in 4K. They should have moved to 96 ROP's and those cards would perform a lot better 😊
Ali A it is going to run exactly like an a Ryzen 7 1800x.... So close it won't matter for most people. The only difference is more pci Express which the majority won't need and a slightly higher base clock.
Ah yes, but did you UnderVolt it? :P
I want to see Vega 64 overclocked like this.
why you wanna see if we can get a GPU to draw 500 watts and melt everything because 2 8 pin power connectors is not enough
DanielRichards644 there will be vega cards with 3 power connectors out in a few months
OutOfRangeDE Msi 1080 Ti lightning z already has three 8pin power connectors.
DanielRichards644 The 8 pin power connectors can carry 300w EACH. Power supplies are not up to the task, not the ports. Get your shit straight
Chris Fokjohn, really OK, everything I READ said it was 150 watts per 8 pin and 75 from the socket or 75 from the 6 pin, after some research 300 would be pushing it for what the wires can handle
it's nice to see that the card can be pushed so high! I have watched the live stream and i have to say that i'm even more impressed by what you can achieve with Undervolting! i was hoping there would be more info about the undervolting in this video.
Woop woop, in winter I can turn the central heating down a few degrees,completely off setting the added cost haha
same! its really nice!
Its not a complete offset (unless you're just running a bunch of space heaters). Your AC/Heater has a coeficient of performance greater than 1. So for example, in the summer, you get say 4w of cooling for every 1w of electricity spent. In the winter, you actually get 5w of heating (that 1 extra watt is from the 1w of energy you just added).
Also you should probably leave the temp control the same setting, since it should regulate itself (it just won't be running as long).
Water-cool your Vega so more of the heat gets into the air. Better space heater
get 6 of these, start mining with them with 400 watts OC, that surely heats up your room
Jake Garrett , 90% of houses here don't have a/c there is no need for it, we just open the windows lol.
I would like to see the same thing with the 64
I love seeing videos like this with the most extreme overclocking yet still somewhat realistic real-world overclocking, not just unrealistic LN2.
This is the Frankenstein's monster of video cards.
I'd love to see this done with the rumored dual VEGA card. imagine over 800w going through 1 card
That_LEGO_Guy i would live to see that cross-fire.... 0.0
800w, good now i can get rid fo my central heating system
need... more... POWEEEEEEEEEER
IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!
Just wanted to let you guys know: Due to your recommendation/sponsorship by LastPass, I in turn recommended it to one of my customers; an elder gentleman that has had horrendous problems in remembering passwords. It seems like this will be an excellent solution for the man, and I'm glad to have heard of it on your channel.
Litteraly the only YT channel that actually played with the Vega cards.
Keep doing the God's work Steve !
Very Impressive! Loving the modding direction that your channel is moving in, if nothing else, your mods and bodges are so interesting - there is nothing like pushing the envelope, as they say. However, no one says that I just made it up, but I hope there is a little truth in the statement....
Great work guys! Have fun at PAX!
Man, you guys are nuts, haha- Love it!
love this kind of content. thanks gamers nexus
@gamersnexus Steve, I think it'd be very useful to add another chart into an article, where we get to see how much more % in terms of power draw we're paying for how much % performance. That would help some people to find a "sweet spot" with their overclocking settings. Great content, cheers!
I live in cold country. I don't care if it pulls 1000W if it stays operational. Extra heat is preferable. :D
That is the cool thing about cold countries. You only need to care about RF emissions, the rest of power loss is just less power that needs to come from the heater.
HolyDr1ver What about the summer?
Summer there is still too cold.
do you want my vega fe liquid?
When you turn your do it all pc into a room heater as well. Modern problems require modern solutions.
Yes, just so much yes in this video. Best damn testing I've seen in a long long time. Hope someone donates a 64 to you so you can replicate this test and see if the extra cu can push it to near Titian levels.
AMD and it's partners, if you're watching, take note and make a card capable of this with zero restrictions on it.
Great video Steve, good to see that you've really tried to get the best out of Vega. I along with a legion of others were so hoping that it was going to be much better than this, although the 56 is looking like a fairly decent buy right now once you take off the crypto premium. I'll probably end up buying one regardless just to support RTG, my R9 290 has aged very well on a 1440p monitor. I wont be getting a reference card though, my sons R9 290x reference is so load and hot.
Wow Hellblade is hitting a nasty wall somewhere. Is that during gameplay or during loading screens/cutscenes?
That has turned into one hell of a monstrosity as far as cooling goes. A 360mm rad, another case fan, and a desk fan? Holy shit, that thing must be toasty as fuck.
Nice video!
thank you GN for proving to me I have an overkill power supply. also thank you for doing this. I very much enjoyed this video.
Great analysis! To be fair, it would be interesting to take a 1070 and push its power consumpion to the maximum, as close as possible to the stock vega 56, and see how it compares then.
I wish AMD would ramp up production on the RX580, demand is prob much higher for that then Vega.
THAN not then, learn english noob.
Fishmonger ! The production is as high as it can go without blowing the cost out of proportion or buying new equipment which will become useless once the demand dies. The demand is so crazy that sometimes idiots have planes parked outside out of the factories and as soon as a new batch comes out. They buy it & take the whole batch with them on their planes...
I've heard that governments and big corporations are the ones buying up the cards, and using them in giant, secrete mining facilities.
He must be a german. It is a common mistake where they use "then" instead of "than".
Fishmonger ! Wish they would have just pumped Polaris to the roof and added hbm2. The results would have probably been much better than Vega. Polaris was never really given a chance to be all it could be :'(
Steve: "excuse the lack of data" still benchmarked more cards than any other reviewer
i just watched the video and im still sat here thinking "how did he get such good numbers at 4K" lol. you should legit be a manufacturer like kingpin or something, i'd buy your card
You are unleashing rx vega true power, that is way better than stock clocks. I'm curious to do the same experiment with rx vega 64..:)
Good god....I guess it's true what they say about absolute power... XD Well done with the bypass work. :-)
That is an insane power usage
I remember using 2x ATI 4870x2 gpus in crossfire X(thats 4 gpus) back in the day, you needed a minimum of 1000watt powersupply to run that config & gpu temputures were so high I had to run my air conditioner 24/7 while gaming. When people say they don't care about power consumption they really mean it,, I ran that setup for over 2 years & electricity bill was insane!
the electricity bill was insane because of your A/C not really your gpu's. a/c uses way more power.
Fun video!
thats a spicy overclock. Why tbh this seems like much more of a fun card to play around w/ than the nivida counterpart
An overclocker's dream? PogChamp
This might be a dumb question, but how did you use that Floe AIO cooler on the Vega 64? Did you mod it somehow to fit? Isn't that a CPU cooler? Is it safe to use as a GPU AIO cooler? I've been looking for an AIO liquid cooler for my Vega 64.
Vega 64 has the higher memory voltage if I'm correct, which lets you hit higher memory frequency. I know the core won't get much faster (If at all) but the memory oc alone may be worth and best part about hbm2 oc is that it draws next to no power
a question on all those power draw on the cards fro all manufacturers , will we see burnout on the motherboards at the connecting points ? .
I love your videos, I’m still not going to overclock my RX480 though.
Even for a simple bios update? 🤣
Steve,
Since HBM2 memory bandwidth makes a difference, do you think AMD should have put more focus on better MEMORY COMPRESSION to the GPU?
It sounds like we're back to a POWER problem (or reliability) and AMD didn't want to push the HBM2 memory frequency higher at default settings. Better memory compression would likely solve that issue though (I'm assuming NVidia has a better solution so AMD could in theory do better).
I remember the tech comunity being always salty, but when did it get this salty? Like seriously, there's people arguing on every single comment, just chill
dmacedo it's all the console fanboys from the PS3/XBOX 360 era that were teenagers back then and are now working. They came to PC gaming, but brought all the console lifestyle with them. Just think about it, arguing about which CPU gets better FPS at 1080P (for reference, most modern game consoles, PS4/XBOX One, perfom at 1080P). I remember when PC Gaming was about pushing the limits, multiple 1600P monitors, really nice keyboards and mice, and some really fancy speakers, all in a dedicated gaming room for the PC.
manuelthegreatman what a nonsense, console gamers arent as stupid, whiny and annoying as the fucking PC "master race" of graphics whores
What a very consoley thing to say Willy. :P Console gamers want better and better graphics just like anyone else. Makes a game more compelling and immersive.
980 on the hbm2 still, so we are still locked through the 1,3 volts only on the hbm2 if i remember right?
i guess vega 64 bios/vega 64 liquid bios flash will be in one of the future videos to get that highest hbm2 clock possible? :D
Is the legend at 7:30 in the video is wrong? Undervolted pulls more power than stock?
"we fixed it, now we can push as much power as we want, we can kill the card" hahahaha hilarious.
I only bought a Corsair RM650x for my Ryzen R7 1700, might have to get a new PSU when GTX2080 comes out.
...mmkay so numbers whatever. More power~go faster. What I wanna know is how far can you push the power delivery before you either light the card on fire or burn out some electrical components?
Temps of the Cables ? Or could anyone tell, how much amps you can drive through those 2 8-Pins ?
Is Steve going to pull this off again with the 6800 XT and it's artificial limits?
Undervolting with some overclocking appears to be the best compromise overall.
How do i unlock the power limit? i cant find it anywhere my 56 is maxing out at 248w, that's including the +50% slider
Destiny 2 will have SLI support. will we see SLI 1070s vs a single 1080TI? as well as Crossfire Vega and SLI 1080TI's when D2 comes out?
is it possible to sli gtx 1070?
Who is going to SLI 1070's for a single game? Almost every major gaming or tech review company says CFX/SLI only makes sense on top-end graphics cards. This isn't like back when two 6600's in SLI made compelling economic sense. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see devs supporting SLI, but nVidia themselves have all but left it in the dust.
Well my thought was i paid $360 for a 1070, so if i paid under $500 for another 1070, could i see close to the same frame rates as a 1080 TI for just alittle under the price of a 1080TI? since returning my 1070 to micro center for $360 when they are selling the 1070 for $500 each. plus with D2 the game ran very smooth so i would kinda like to see benchmarks for 1440p and 4k with 1080 TI SLI.
I'm interested in getting an rx vega 64 lc for my freesync monitor but not sure to get the better 1080ti instead and lose freesync as there so close in price
can't wait for the xfx vega 56.
Alien astronomers in a distant star system note a bright flash in the night sky as a small blue planet orbiting a yellow star explodes into flame, what weapon of mass destruction did these foolish creatures build, I give you VEGA 56...
Now do vega 64 and FE!
I hate to do it, but I may end up with an FE if there isn't a mod that enables ir-sov on 56/64.
If you care about power efficiency isn't it best to get the 56 and undervolt it?
Would you consider doing LN2 with this mod?
Does HBM hit a brick wall at 980Mhz? Or why didn't you clock that higher, since it has a major influence on performance?
From what I've heard, many people are mining at 1100Mhz HBM, which makes it seem weird that it won't even reach 1000Mhz for gaming.
Now make such a destruction-Mod with a 1080 and compare. As stupid as it is for real life use, Id love to see that. I cant be the only one :D
Smoke 165 i think even the best 1080 cant go beyond 2100-2200 and its not even thermal/voltage limited at that point, it's the limit of TSMC 16nm and adding more voltage doesnt help much.
Would be cool, but it takes a whole lot more physical modding which GN might not have the time for.
Don't know how you know that without trying. The amount of Voltage you can throw in a 1080 without physically modding or whatever it is so low, I don't see that as a reference. nVidia went for a very safe OC-environment with their cards, you basically can't destroy them with overclocking anymore. Finding a way past those safety-limits and going full-nuts would for sure squeeze out more out of the card. I don't see a good reason why it should not.
That perf. per watt doe.
after all these years, we finally see some real gaming review of modded bios/power hacking.
kelper/maxwell/pascal 1080&1080ti/fiji/polaris, all these cards have its own bios tweaker/special bios but we are hard to see, if any, meaningful gaming testing after unlocking power and voltage.
Does anyone know what voltages were used for the 1732MHz core and 950MHz memory OC? I'd go for 1.225V on the core and 1.35V on the memory. Any suggestions?
Would people notice the frame rate differences between any of those cards if you hid the FPS counter?
#GamersNexus Have you tried to flash a vega 64 vbios on the vega 56? I heard that the mod is possible...
Dear Gamers Nexus,
I built a watercooled ek full waterblock vega 64 build, and the power limit is extremly limiting, so is it possible for you to release the powerplay table mods to the public?
Would help a lot.
Sincerely
MrSlehofer
@2:44 Hail to all those people with a power plant near their homes.
Is it possible that my Cooler Master�GX-650W can't handle even the stock top Mhz ? 750 watt PSU is needed for this?
Jon Snow...do you use Vega cards for survive to the winter??....the Wall is the perfect cooler
Why do you have the rad fans blowing at the card? Take the heated air from the rad and blow it away completely, then use your extra two high cfm fans to blow completely fresh ambient onto the mosfets and vrams.
I suppose the cross-wind created in your configuration could also potentially decrease overall performance of the heatsinks themselves by stopping the air from actually flowing, and creating areas where there could potentially be no airflow due to vortexing from fans blowing from two axis so close together.. but probably not.. Haven't tested this but I have the exact same issue in my Core x9 because of the orientation of the mobo Im getting some crosswind, and I have been testing diverters to divert the air exactly where needed (mobo vrm heatsinks and gpu specifically)
Seeing that the extra compute units of Vega 64 aren't really doing much tells me that this card is extremely memory bandwidth limited. I would love to see AMD make a version of this with HBM2 and a 4096bit memory bus.
MORE POWAAAAAA!!
y dint yall use a full cover water block just asking ?
Why don't you use the new ek water blocks while doing this test?
That could actually not cool as well as the whole card would be cooled with the same rad while as that is DIRECTLY cooling the cpu.
please please please ... do an optimized mod with undervolt and overclock for optimal power consumption and clock stability next.
no one cares about power consumption ... but i would like not to sell a kidney to pay for my next bill :P
how many hashes per second on monero? :)
uuuuh 400+ watts? I love my Ryzen, don't get me wrong, but I think i'll stick with my 1080 for now...
Dante Inouye perfect power efficiency duo
Nicholas Pateldeleon eyy we have the same setup (except I'm not using SLI)
Dante Inouye Well, I have a RYZEN 1600X and a R9 FURY :P The FURY can pull almost 365 Watts.
Dante Inouye Same bro
jonny j pascal & maxwell ipc is also same
I'm one of those (few?) people who cares about performance per watt, how good can you get the Vega cards to perform in that regard?
Only 400W? I dare AMD to make GPU which draws 1kW of power!
Tho, they actually could make one in the future. Corsiar, EVGA, Seasoinc etc would be happy if they do. I still find Vega56 a good card when price is lowered to the 1070 range. Most of the people who build their system with 1070/Vega56 range have at least 650 W PSU.
It's funny how people keep saying they don't care about power conumption.
But if this Vega card was watercooled ONLY, they would have been crying to no end.
400Watt isn't possible on air at this size. Get a clue guys. Power consumption matters a lot. My Threadripper 1950X peaks 282Watt and that is a lot already. But 400 on a GPU alone? JESUS.
Power isn't an issue, more heat in the winter
can you test the bios unlock mod?
This is exactly what I was saying a few weeks ago. A 3rd party (Asus, MSi, Gigabyte, etc) may be able to OC a 56 from their factory with liquid cooling just like in this video and make a card that's actually worth the money. Still can't get past the noise tho.
I actually don't care about power draw, but I do care about the heat produced. Which unfortunately is directly proportional to the power consumed. with that being said, 400W on GPU alone is absolutely insane, given that its a 14nm FF process and energy efficient HBM to top that off. AMD or RTG, should seriously consider to scrap GCN and start from scratch, like they did with the excellent ryzen.
don't care about heat either, as long as it can be cooled and keep stable clocks as high as possible.
except more heat means a HOTTER ROOM, do you want your room to be a sauna?
Artcore103 But cooling it also costs more. You won't be doing the overclock they did without water cooling and then that adds to the price far more than electricity will.
@Artcore103, trust me on this, I live in Vancouver and this summer we've got it bad with wild fires and really hot temps around 29-33'C with a ton of humidity. With the extra heat pumped my r9 390(a mere 250 watt card) out to my room which makes the ambient a bit intolerable at times. Now imagine a (~60 % increase than aforementioned)400W card. Although conditions on your side of things might be better.
Sujit Suram "really hot" ambient temp is not 30C. Really hot is 38C+humidity. Get over uourself
it needs more aggressively optimized drivers for those games with low % gains.
Can someone ELI5 PowerTable Modding ??...Could this be applied for CPU also ?
My stock Vega 56 pulls 450w when deep learning. But refuses to go so high during games. It’s like it’s unlimited for compute or something...
I wonder if you could do this too to vega64
wow, i though PCIe 8-pin cables/connectors were limited to 150W each, giving vga 56 a total possible power draw of 300W, why is it drawing more power? where is it getting it:?
I upgraded from 7950 to 1070 after 5 years and 2 years of waiting for competitive flagship. I think Vega is a brilliant concept. It doesn't quite have any practical implementation yet but im sure it will be an excellent investment down the line and better for PC tech going into the future.
I wonder where I stand in the chart, compare to Vega with my Asus Strix 980ti factory OC to 1317Mhz and GPU Boost to 1508Mhz, because I see a Ref 980ti in the benchmark chart, always below Ref GTX 1070 and Vega 56. The Ref GTX 980ti is clocked at 1000Mhz / Boost clock 1070Mhz, so I'm curious as to where my Asus Strix 980ti stack in this benchmark against Vega. I wish someone would do a benchmark review with Add_In_Board_partner graphics card, like my Asus Strix 980ti or Zotec GTX 980 Ti AMP! or GIGABYTE 980Ti XTREME GAMING OC EDITION, etc...instead of always using Ref GTX 980ti against Vega.
I'm not too sure, but is it worth it for me to upgrade to Vega?
I hear you can flash 56 to 64 can you confirm or deny?
I still think that a 1080 with decent overclock is the better choice, especially now that rx prices are much higher and there are no card partner cards available
Vega 56 bundled with 2 "free" games goes for 760 $$ in my country... great deal..
Where I live electricity is cheap (NW Washington). I pay my own electric bill. Power consumption has never been a concern for me. Plus its cold most the time ;)
Is it a concern to you that Vega is just generally shit value for money?
JayJapanB not really considering I don't own one. It is sad that Vega failed to really compete. Competition is great for us consumers. But at least amd's mid teir (rx 580) is competitive. But back to the main argument. Power consumption is not something every gpu buyer needs to worry about. My gpu (R9 390) suits my electrical bill just fine.
Sure, but it matters for me ($0.39usd kwh). Competition is only good when it's good. I just don't like when people defend something which is objectively worse with phrases like "but I don't care about power consumption". The 56 costs more than a 1080 at retail and is worse in every way(unless you use compute).
That said, if people want to throw themselves under the bus in the name of competition and feeling different then be my guest.
JayJapanB well in amd's defence the pricing market in almost all tiers are messed up from mining. Rx 580s are or were in the $400-$450. So your price argument is irrelevant considering all cards are over priced. But still it is wrong to say that 100% of the people who dont care about power consumption are living with there parents or to call them stupid, cause in some cases its not that big of a deal. My temps are fine and my bills are low.
" price argument is irrelevant"
No.
MSRP is irrelevant if you can only find the product at $180USD more expensive than MSRP. It doesn't matter whose fault it is.
You can't cherry pick that information.
The 1080 is a significantly better(and cheaper) product than the 56, period.
The 64 wasn't a good product compared to the 56 to begin with. Thus, we come to the conclusion of buy a 1080, or if money isn't much of an issue and you want something faster then buy a 1080ti.
He'll yea I would do this, on Vega 64 xD
How did you get it to 400w I can't even get my vega 64 pass 300w lol
ok now do it with a vega 56 with the 64 bios. coz they say it works so much better.
The power consumption issue , imo, is more about the miners - the cost/ gain equation. I was expecting AMD to crush the calculations as it usually did in the past, but the numbers are actually better for the NVDA series apparently - especially the 1070. As a gamer/production user who usually only upgrades every 4+ years, I don't like to push my hardware *too hard.... The idea of running loud and hot, 8 hours a day, when I'm sitting there next to it, isn't attractive.
I care more about the physical size of the card rather than the power consumption. Seriously, these things are massive. I get it Smaller lithography allows them to pack more transistors, making it more powerful, etc., etc., I just wish they'd take that same formula in the other direction and make something powerful yet impressively compact, like the Nano cards.
it would surprise if it weren't that i overclocked my gigabyte card up to 1718 Mhz... and yes, the power cosumption is ludicrous (333W).
Just for fun... EVGA should make a Kingpin Card with 3 8-Pin-LN2-BIOS and Overclockers will bring such a card to the very limit :D
If this card was like 25% faster than 1080 Ti and you could get another 25% out of it by doing what you did then yes, power draw wouldn't matter at all because you basically would be getting next generation performance, it could even draw 650 watts from the wall and it would be adequate. All the power draw, heat and everything would be more than worth it. But doing that just to get around GTX 1080 performance is just... certainly fun thing to do, but there is just no reason in the world for something like this to exist for daily use.
only a gain of 10% a Best, thats a lot of work for that little of gain.
either Vega has not the drivers finished or it just the best of does.
I'll keep holding to my money
You get almost a 10% gain just upping the power limit 50% and running the hbm2 at vega 64 speeds. In one instance there was almost a 25% gain from stock ref vega 56 to their hybrid setup. Take another look.
T51B1
so that mod was a big waste of time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
what do you think, Vega will get a boost of performance with driver updates,
or just wait and see what comes next