Totally agree with your main point. The biggest obstacle for players in normal trials/arenas is the fear of the unknown and the fear of being a burden. However, the take that 'arenas have almost no mechanics' is a spicy one:) Perhaps what you meant was, 'You can ignore all mechanics on normal difficulty, just like in normal dungeons.
You're one of the most positive MMORPG creators out there, and I'm so glad this popped up in my feed. More people need to hear this message. In so many games, all we hear about is the toxicity in group content, which leads to even more people avoiding it-just making things worse. If we all chose to participate and treat each other with kindness, our virtual worlds would be much better places. By the way, I was eating spinach while watching-hope that gets the Doc's approval!
Thank you so much for the kind words! I'm glad I can share a little positivity with the communities that I enjoy being part of so much! Also, since spinach is definitely one of my favorite vegetables, that is most definitely Doc approved! Have a wonderful day!
You realize that when games have this problem, it's not the community's fault, but the game itself. If Zenimax, or any studio that made games with similar "git gud" gated content, cared, then they would find ways to make harder content more accessible or more rewarding for vet players to Sherpa the more greener players. When you have a game that has such a stilted PVP where a couple players on crack can dominate battlegrounds just because of their gear regardless of other players skill and coordination, you have a game that caters to elitism. Just look at The Rift on a daily basis.
I kinda immediately joined vet trials once I hit cp200 or so. I was far from ready, did about 40k dps on a nightblade, got a lot of shit from everyone. However that was also the best way to learn how to play them. It forced me to do more research in builds and strategies. Now, Im doing 100k+ dps on the dummy and I have enough cleave damage with my arc to add something to the team. Going flat on my face many times accelerated my development in this game. Im still considered a relatively low level player in the end game community. But Im parsing higher and playing better them most players sub cp1000. Some tips nobody tells you: Cleave is key! Dont bring your heavy attack sorc in a trial! Provide synergies for the team! Everyone is playing together, the better your team mates are doing, the better you are doing. And the one that is maybe most important: for the love of god, stack with your team!!! The best teams are moving as one, this will literally save your healer a couple of years on his/her life expectancy. And everyone will be doing more damage.
I remember when I thought I was not good enough to do normal dungeons let alone trials. One of my first friends took me through nWGT 2 and a half years ago just the two of us. He solo'd everything pretty much but showed me that it wasn't difficult and that there was no reason to be intimidated. Everyone starts somewhere.
nice vid - well constructed and presented! With regard to vet trials its not about how good you are sadly, its about if vet trial group leaders accept you or not, and if you don't have an achievement then 99% of the time its a no go. Most vet trial groups are elitist, inflexible, intolerant, and toxic af, so the only option for the vast majority is to try to organise through regular guilds, or join a chilled trial 'training' guild, which can be extremely time consuming and frustrating or not possible. This sums up the snobbery around vet trials perfectly, which someone detailed below: "Now, Im doing 100k+ dps on the dummy and I have enough damage to add something to the team.... Im still considered a relatively low level player in the end game community".
Good video. Let me add that it’s even easier to get started on trials on console since nobody has add-ons and nobody can see what your individual DPS is. I’m part of two trials guilds that don’t require parsing or DPS minimums. They also offer regular “exposure” runs to teach new players the mechanics.
@@ndr2q there is no addon that allows to see dps of other players without them having the same addon configured to share that data. People with addons can see their own dps and what percentage of the total damage they deal. So if you run a dungeon as a DD and see that your 30k dps is 90% of total damage, you can deduce that your colleague is not very impactful. But in a big group you can’t so easily pinpoint a person who is slacking:)
I remember the first time I played this game. Started with Nightblade. I'd use my lunge attack, go invisible, circle around to flank, surprise attack, go invisible again, charge heavy attack, rinse and repeat. Was it slow? Yes. Was it fun? Hell, yes! I would always wind up playing a stealth build in Skyrim, but that just doesn't fly in an MMO after the starter zone. I miss those days sometimes.
by the time I did my first trial, I already did all DLC dungeons in HM (up to Castle Thorn), as well as vMA and vVH, I was more than ready to do trial, but I'm just too shy.. 😅 and also my average ping is 300-400 🗿, so I thought doing activities that involve many people like that would be a bad idea, but it turns out it's actually not that bad..
For anyone new, I’ll tell you rn, I have a buddy who only had a nightblade and was only 3 months if that fresh at 500cp when we got him into his first trial. He is now 900cp and is an integral part of our trial dps and has visibly and on paper improved drastically. This improvement cannot come from NOT running trials. We just had the other night, a 200cp dps arcanist come through for a first vet kynes aegis first trial run and did splendidly. Be not afraid. State you’re new to the leader up front and if you’re brought into the group, perform to the best of your abilities and learn
7 of us did normal dread sail reef i was one of two tanks that character was level 34 with level 10 blue gear. We did fine all things considered. Short version if you know the basics normal trials should be fine
"you are good enough" tell that to every trial group who kicked me out because i WASN'T good enough and "holding back the entire playerbase by existing". well excuuuuuse me princess, but not everybody wants to waste their lives min-maxing for the god-forsaken meta builds that you're APPARENTLY required to follow to the god damn letter!
That will eventually get nerfed and then you have to use tons of resources to change it while you wait for the next Hack the a Minotaur video to drop 🤣
i'm CP 175, and just as i've hit CP 160, i've been farming dungeon sets and currently have 2 5 sets (Leviathan & Toothrow) and a monster helmet (Slimecraw) so you can see i'm a dps who's more focused on criticals. i've done A LOT of research on builds , mechanics and i've really studied the game A LOT before i even started playing, and I can say that i'm good in the game , i know pretty much all of the mechanics & basics , practiced my rotation and all and i'm fairly interested in trials for sets to improve my build , so i've been thinking once i've hit CP 160 obviously because of the gear cap , then i'll be able to start doing trials , but the biggest obstacle for me was and still is tbh , the fact that it's a somewhat serious group content and so people won't really take you in even for normal, can't find groups that are doing trials i'm intrested in doing. i've been thinking about joining a guild as i've had the feeling that would make things more "straightforward" as to jumping in trials for the first time , but the amount of guilds out there , and to know which one is really beginner oriented (even though i don't see myself as a beginner) has been a little crippling in the search.
Idk man I finally got to join my first trial and was really excited and the leader asked about my build and numbers and the moment I told him I got kicked , said I didn’t have enough crit I said I can change my gear to what he needs if need be , he said it’s a waste of time, I immediately stopped caring about group play after that ,
I'm very sorry to hear that! Unfortunately, that will happen sometimes, especially in vet trials. However, I can assure you that isn't the norm among normal trials. I hope you give group content another try sometime!
Does he have to though. Is he missing on any actually questing in the game if he doesn't get trial sets? Let him enjoy being a solo player. There are many of us.
Interesting. I've heard so many warnings of experienced players saying you need to be very good to even attempt Trials, I have still wanted to try, but I just couldn't find a group to do them. I'm a relatively average player and have never did a Trial, but I doubt I'd not be able (at least for the regular difficulty ones).
Yep did VDSR at CP 407 and VAS+2 at CP 450 on a Oaken Sorc. Buuuut tbf and honest I had a good team and I knew mechs. Just go in and fake it until you make it. Most people don't mind. I never was in extrem toxic groups that would kick me mid trial, like other people talked to me about that.
Great video but it still doesn't solve the top 3 issues for me with raiding/doing trials. 1 I have no need or interest in any of the item sets. 2 You can buy the style motifs from guilds at faster pace than doing raids ever would give them. 3 The Mounts, Skins, Titles interest me even less than the item sets do. (also while I can't confirm this, some people apparently say that if you use lot of potions in Trials, you actually lose more money than you would make doing the Trial, but that could be just nightblade exclusive issue since they like to spam catalyst)
I've been playing on and off for the past few years. CP near 1k. Still 25ish days left to complete mount skills on my main. Haven't even scratched the surface on many DLC zones simply because there's way too much daily grinding to do and I like playing every class plus I'm a bit of a psychopath for daily writs and researching on every character. I've only recently did my first trial through group finder just to complete my Dremora Skulls achievement. After it was finished and people were asking for specific items, I said it was my first trial and would take any extras others have already collected and received absolutely dick. Not even motivated in the slightest to do another one. I'm happily finally finishing Psijic Order and painfully not looking forward to doing it again 6 more fucking times because I refuse to pay money to get the maxed out skill line on my alts. Next I'm finally going to continue Dark Brotherhood for the next time that dreaded Black Sacrament daily endeavor arrives. Clockwork City seems interesting and I should probably acquire more companions than just Sharp now that he's max leveled. As for mounts and titles, yeah, I too couldn't care much because the ones I got from the Necrom CE bundle and titles from normal play have given me enough to have things that fit each of my characters. There's a couple unlockable mounts I'm a bit interested in, but really what I want right now is the Arena weapons and at least one mythic because I find it very baffling that a guy I met that's only been playing for a couple months is wiping the floor with bosses faster than I can and he didn't even know where to get any of the ingredients to make Psijic Ambrosia let alone how valuable fishing is in the game.
normal trials you can do naked so like, there's no harm in giving a go lol. (even under 160cp ) Vet trials are a little more unforgiving but honestly I haven't seen a normal trial "FAIL" besides wiping once on halls of fab last boss because people didn't follow people up onto the ledges and just stood in mid and died (I think that and AS are the only ones where if you don't move on normal you get annihilated). But, usually someone lives and can rez the newbies heh.
You don't need a mic for either. Just pay attention to what others are doing and whoever is leading the group. I hardly ever use my mic in the game because it breaks my immersion. Ever join area voice chat in The Rift? Don't!
I'm not scared to do dungeons or trials, but I am scared of joining groups with elitist assholes who will make me feel like crap for not having 10 years of skill experience in the game. I've been in ESO less than six months, I've made several strong and capable characters and am nearly 600 CP, but I have also heard a lot of horror stories about joining random groups and I just don't want that sort of negativity in what is my stress relief from regular life.
Lol. I'm CP 923 or so and have never done a trial. Is it necesary to even know your DPS as a DD? I solo most WBs, also a lot of Craglorn group content, so I'm probably ready, right? :D
I would say if you have access to a trial dummy, it would definitely be worth it to test out your dps! While there isn't really a dps requirement for normal, most vet trial groups will ask that you parse a certain amount. That being said though, from what you described to me, I think you should at least try one of the Craglorn trials! See if you or someone in your group can run Dungeon logs. This will be a great way to form a baseline and compare yourself to other dps!
If you´re on pc get the addon combat metrix or any other addon that shows your dps. For starters i would look at the percentage of group dps and not necessarily the total amount. Just to make sure your doing fine and don´t get "carried" all the time. If you want to be more serious: y a few parses on the trial dummy and making sure that you memorized the more optimal class rotation never hurts.
If the motherfucker can solo a World Boss (we aren't typing on a shit console system, we can use English here!) then he's absolutely ready for a normal trial. I recently tried the one in this video and basically sleepwalked through it besides the final two bosses. Also, you could, you know, be a healer or something. Not that hard to setup a decent Templar or Warden build to focus and pure healing. Tanking can go fuck itself though.
Vet trials aren't as hard as people make them out to be. The biggest hurdle for vet trials are other players, min-maxers gatekeeping content telling new/returning players "you need to do 150k dps" when the bare minimum is 35k - 40k for a smooth clear. If you know mechanics then great but If not, spending 5 minutes to explain isn't going to hurt me.
I find it odd take when being healer is pretty easy job. Goes for most mmos standards. Dps worry of best parse. Tank stays alive and taunts foes that need to be taunted
While I am a healer main, I've also completed several trials as both tank and dps. I'm confident that if I can complete trials in my off roles, a lot of people would do fantastic in their main roles! :)
I think it's important to follow the "ladder". Play base game. Do dungeons, get used to how the game works, get into it a little more, look up a basic build for your class, get to cp 160, get some over-land or crafted gear, get into normal dungeons, get some good gear for your class. Get into vet dungeons with that normal dungeon gear, get a monster set. Then you're ready. That's it. Basic build, basic gear, step into some pug trials.
@@drackar My point is that it's a very stringent guideline that a lot of people don't have time for without even factoring factoring in any other fun activities or just things to do like daily quests, DLC skill lines, fishing, leads, lore book hunting (I've yet to get my comet) battlegrounds, skyshards and delves, getting enough gold to max out your inventory, managing your inventory, being able to earn enough writs to unlock every storage container, getting a home that can hold every storage container and God forbid if you want to change it up and play different class or if you're a psychopath like me and play all of them!
@@Verasoul you're just... Wrong but ok. If you are not willing to put in minimal effort in this game you should not waste peoples times in trials and other group content. We frequently get brand new players into trials when they hit 160 in my guild, within weeks of them joining the game. If you aren't willing to put in minor effort that's fine. Stay out of trials. Also if you don't have full sets of gear stay the fuck out of battlegrounds.
Great video! I hope more people see this because so many people are scared of trials and dungeons
Totally agree with your main point. The biggest obstacle for players in normal trials/arenas is the fear of the unknown and the fear of being a burden. However, the take that 'arenas have almost no mechanics' is a spicy one:) Perhaps what you meant was, 'You can ignore all mechanics on normal difficulty, just like in normal dungeons.
That is totally fair, and I was probably exaggerating a bit when I said that. I appreciate your input!
My fear is noone gett u in party if u dont have relequin items on u u are not going be accepted
@@nikenzzo also 150k parse, trifecta achievement, 100 addons installed and you should pay 10mil gold for the honour
You're one of the most positive MMORPG creators out there, and I'm so glad this popped up in my feed. More people need to hear this message. In so many games, all we hear about is the toxicity in group content, which leads to even more people avoiding it-just making things worse. If we all chose to participate and treat each other with kindness, our virtual worlds would be much better places.
By the way, I was eating spinach while watching-hope that gets the Doc's approval!
Thank you so much for the kind words! I'm glad I can share a little positivity with the communities that I enjoy being part of so much! Also, since spinach is definitely one of my favorite vegetables, that is most definitely Doc approved! Have a wonderful day!
You realize that when games have this problem, it's not the community's fault, but the game itself. If Zenimax, or any studio that made games with similar "git gud" gated content, cared, then they would find ways to make harder content more accessible or more rewarding for vet players to Sherpa the more greener players. When you have a game that has such a stilted PVP where a couple players on crack can dominate battlegrounds just because of their gear regardless of other players skill and coordination, you have a game that caters to elitism. Just look at The Rift on a daily basis.
I kinda immediately joined vet trials once I hit cp200 or so. I was far from ready, did about 40k dps on a nightblade, got a lot of shit from everyone. However that was also the best way to learn how to play them. It forced me to do more research in builds and strategies. Now, Im doing 100k+ dps on the dummy and I have enough cleave damage with my arc to add something to the team. Going flat on my face many times accelerated my development in this game. Im still considered a relatively low level player in the end game community. But Im parsing higher and playing better them most players sub cp1000. Some tips nobody tells you:
Cleave is key! Dont bring your heavy attack sorc in a trial!
Provide synergies for the team! Everyone is playing together, the better your team mates are doing, the better you are doing. And the one that is maybe most important: for the love of god, stack with your team!!! The best teams are moving as one, this will literally save your healer a couple of years on his/her life expectancy. And everyone will be doing more damage.
I remember when I thought I was not good enough to do normal dungeons let alone trials. One of my first friends took me through nWGT 2 and a half years ago just the two of us. He solo'd everything pretty much but showed me that it wasn't difficult and that there was no reason to be intimidated. Everyone starts somewhere.
nice vid - well constructed and presented! With regard to vet trials its not about how good you are sadly, its about if vet trial group leaders accept you or not, and if you don't have an achievement then 99% of the time its a no go. Most vet trial groups are elitist, inflexible, intolerant, and toxic af, so the only option for the vast majority is to try to organise through regular guilds, or join a chilled trial 'training' guild, which can be extremely time consuming and frustrating or not possible.
This sums up the snobbery around vet trials perfectly, which someone detailed below: "Now, Im doing 100k+ dps on the dummy and I have enough damage to add something to the team.... Im still considered a relatively low level player in the end game community".
Nice video bro, it was well said and explained
Good video. Let me add that it’s even easier to get started on trials on console since nobody has add-ons and nobody can see what your individual DPS is. I’m part of two trials guilds that don’t require parsing or DPS minimums. They also offer regular “exposure” runs to teach new players the mechanics.
@@ndr2q there is no addon that allows to see dps of other players without them having the same addon configured to share that data. People with addons can see their own dps and what percentage of the total damage they deal. So if you run a dungeon as a DD and see that your 30k dps is 90% of total damage, you can deduce that your colleague is not very impactful. But in a big group you can’t so easily pinpoint a person who is slacking:)
I remember the first time I played this game. Started with Nightblade. I'd use my lunge attack, go invisible, circle around to flank, surprise attack, go invisible again, charge heavy attack, rinse and repeat. Was it slow? Yes. Was it fun? Hell, yes! I would always wind up playing a stealth build in Skyrim, but that just doesn't fly in an MMO after the starter zone. I miss those days sometimes.
by the time I did my first trial, I already did all DLC dungeons in HM (up to Castle Thorn), as well as vMA and vVH,
I was more than ready to do trial, but I'm just too shy.. 😅
and also my average ping is 300-400 🗿,
so I thought doing activities that involve many people like that would be a bad idea, but it turns out it's actually not that bad..
For anyone new, I’ll tell you rn, I have a buddy who only had a nightblade and was only 3 months if that fresh at 500cp when we got him into his first trial. He is now 900cp and is an integral part of our trial dps and has visibly and on paper improved drastically. This improvement cannot come from NOT running trials. We just had the other night, a 200cp dps arcanist come through for a first vet kynes aegis first trial run and did splendidly. Be not afraid. State you’re new to the leader up front and if you’re brought into the group, perform to the best of your abilities and learn
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7 of us did normal dread sail reef i was one of two tanks that character was level 34 with level 10 blue gear. We did fine all things considered. Short version if you know the basics normal trials should be fine
"you are good enough"
tell that to every trial group who kicked me out because i WASN'T good enough and "holding back the entire playerbase by existing". well excuuuuuse me princess, but not everybody wants to waste their lives min-maxing for the god-forsaken meta builds that you're APPARENTLY required to follow to the god damn letter!
That will eventually get nerfed and then you have to use tons of resources to change it while you wait for the next Hack the a Minotaur video to drop 🤣
@@Verasoul trials are where all of the toxic people go, so i just don't bother. i'll stick with my "shitty overworld safe-space" build.
i'm CP 175, and just as i've hit CP 160, i've been farming dungeon sets and currently have 2 5 sets (Leviathan & Toothrow) and a monster helmet (Slimecraw) so you can see i'm a dps who's more focused on criticals.
i've done A LOT of research on builds , mechanics and i've really studied the game A LOT before i even started playing, and I can say that i'm good in the game , i know pretty much all of the mechanics & basics , practiced my rotation and all and i'm fairly interested in trials for sets to improve my build , so i've been thinking once i've hit CP 160 obviously because of the gear cap , then i'll be able to start doing trials , but the biggest obstacle for me was and still is tbh , the fact that it's a somewhat serious group content and so people won't really take you in even for normal, can't find groups that are doing trials i'm intrested in doing. i've been thinking about joining a guild as i've had the feeling that would make things more "straightforward" as to jumping in trials for the first time , but the amount of guilds out there , and to know which one is really beginner oriented (even though i don't see myself as a beginner) has been a little crippling in the search.
Beside that massive chunk of just flexing u know what builds are yeah ur 100% right people take the endgame too seriously
Idk man I finally got to join my first trial and was really excited and the leader asked about my build and numbers and the moment I told him I got kicked , said I didn’t have enough crit I said I can change my gear to what he needs if need be , he said it’s a waste of time, I immediately stopped caring about group play after that ,
I'm very sorry to hear that! Unfortunately, that will happen sometimes, especially in vet trials. However, I can assure you that isn't the norm among normal trials. I hope you give group content another try sometime!
Does he have to though. Is he missing on any actually questing in the game if he doesn't get trial sets? Let him enjoy being a solo player. There are many of us.
Interesting. I've heard so many warnings of experienced players saying you need to be very good to even attempt Trials, I have still wanted to try, but I just couldn't find a group to do them.
I'm a relatively average player and have never did a Trial, but I doubt I'd not be able (at least for the regular difficulty ones).
Yep did VDSR at CP 407 and VAS+2 at CP 450 on a Oaken Sorc. Buuuut tbf and honest I had a good team and I knew mechs.
Just go in and fake it until you make it. Most people don't mind. I never was in extrem toxic groups that would kick me mid trial, like other people talked to me about that.
Great video but it still doesn't solve the top 3 issues for me with raiding/doing trials.
1 I have no need or interest in any of the item sets.
2 You can buy the style motifs from guilds at faster pace than doing raids ever would give them.
3 The Mounts, Skins, Titles interest me even less than the item sets do.
(also while I can't confirm this, some people apparently say that if you use lot of potions in Trials, you actually lose more money than you would make doing the Trial, but that could be just nightblade exclusive issue since they like to spam catalyst)
how about for the sake of having fun? isn't that why we play video games?
gold will come and go, that's normal.
@@AizenV7 Sure if ESO combat was fun you would make an excellent point, but since it's not...
Unfun combat + bad loot = not a good time.
I've been playing on and off for the past few years. CP near 1k. Still 25ish days left to complete mount skills on my main. Haven't even scratched the surface on many DLC zones simply because there's way too much daily grinding to do and I like playing every class plus I'm a bit of a psychopath for daily writs and researching on every character.
I've only recently did my first trial through group finder just to complete my Dremora Skulls achievement. After it was finished and people were asking for specific items, I said it was my first trial and would take any extras others have already collected and received absolutely dick. Not even motivated in the slightest to do another one.
I'm happily finally finishing Psijic Order and painfully not looking forward to doing it again 6 more fucking times because I refuse to pay money to get the maxed out skill line on my alts. Next I'm finally going to continue Dark Brotherhood for the next time that dreaded Black Sacrament daily endeavor arrives. Clockwork City seems interesting and I should probably acquire more companions than just Sharp now that he's max leveled.
As for mounts and titles, yeah, I too couldn't care much because the ones I got from the Necrom CE bundle and titles from normal play have given me enough to have things that fit each of my characters. There's a couple unlockable mounts I'm a bit interested in, but really what I want right now is the Arena weapons and at least one mythic because I find it very baffling that a guy I met that's only been playing for a couple months is wiping the floor with bosses faster than I can and he didn't even know where to get any of the ingredients to make Psijic Ambrosia let alone how valuable fishing is in the game.
normal trials you can do naked so like, there's no harm in giving a go lol. (even under 160cp ) Vet trials are a little more unforgiving but honestly I haven't seen a normal trial "FAIL" besides wiping once on halls of fab last boss because people didn't follow people up onto the ledges and just stood in mid and died (I think that and AS are the only ones where if you don't move on normal you get annihilated). But, usually someone lives and can rez the newbies heh.
Do you always have to be with a group to do these kinds of battles if you're solo? I play solo because I have no mic.
For Arenas, you can most likely solo them if you're a pretty solid solo player! For Trials though, you will definitely need a group.
You don't need a mic for either. Just pay attention to what others are doing and whoever is leading the group. I hardly ever use my mic in the game because it breaks my immersion. Ever join area voice chat in The Rift? Don't!
I'm not scared to do dungeons or trials, but I am scared of joining groups with elitist assholes who will make me feel like crap for not having 10 years of skill experience in the game. I've been in ESO less than six months, I've made several strong and capable characters and am nearly 600 CP, but I have also heard a lot of horror stories about joining random groups and I just don't want that sort of negativity in what is my stress relief from regular life.
Lol. I'm CP 923 or so and have never done a trial. Is it necesary to even know your DPS as a DD? I solo most WBs, also a lot of Craglorn group content, so I'm probably ready, right? :D
I would say if you have access to a trial dummy, it would definitely be worth it to test out your dps! While there isn't really a dps requirement for normal, most vet trial groups will ask that you parse a certain amount. That being said though, from what you described to me, I think you should at least try one of the Craglorn trials! See if you or someone in your group can run Dungeon logs. This will be a great way to form a baseline and compare yourself to other dps!
But to actually answer your question, yes, I absolutely think you are ready to try! You can always learn and improve as you go!
You are rdy for trials! Cleared everything and im CP 1000.
If you´re on pc get the addon combat metrix or any other addon that shows your dps. For starters i would look at the percentage of group dps and not necessarily the total amount. Just to make sure your doing fine and don´t get "carried" all the time. If you want to be more serious: y a few parses on the trial dummy and making sure that you memorized the more optimal class rotation never hurts.
If the motherfucker can solo a World Boss (we aren't typing on a shit console system, we can use English here!) then he's absolutely ready for a normal trial. I recently tried the one in this video and basically sleepwalked through it besides the final two bosses. Also, you could, you know, be a healer or something. Not that hard to setup a decent Templar or Warden build to focus and pure healing. Tanking can go fuck itself though.
I have guild mates that have 1600+ CP...and never ran a trial, never done veteran dungeons. Not even a essance of a build.
Get to cp 400.. 600 before u do vet ifnur good
Vet trials aren't as hard as people make them out to be. The biggest hurdle for vet trials are other players, min-maxers gatekeeping content telling new/returning players "you need to do 150k dps" when the bare minimum is 35k - 40k for a smooth clear. If you know mechanics then great but If not, spending 5 minutes to explain isn't going to hurt me.
No mechanics in arenas? Um... Vateshran Arena?
Dragonstar barley has any mechanics to worry about.
@@Verasoul You can solo Dragonstar. Vateshran cannot be completed without following mechanics, though.
I find it odd take when being healer is pretty easy job. Goes for most mmos standards. Dps worry of best parse. Tank stays alive and taunts foes that need to be taunted
While I am a healer main, I've also completed several trials as both tank and dps. I'm confident that if I can complete trials in my off roles, a lot of people would do fantastic in their main roles! :)
What I think is irrelevant. Groups want to do 1337 progging, and that is just not interesting to most of us.
I think it's important to follow the "ladder". Play base game. Do dungeons, get used to how the game works, get into it a little more, look up a basic build for your class, get to cp 160, get some over-land or crafted gear, get into normal dungeons, get some good gear for your class. Get into vet dungeons with that normal dungeon gear, get a monster set.
Then you're ready. That's it. Basic build, basic gear, step into some pug trials.
2 fucking years later...
@Verasoul nah. More like a month or two.
@@drackar My point is that it's a very stringent guideline that a lot of people don't have time for without even factoring factoring in any other fun activities or just things to do like daily quests, DLC skill lines, fishing, leads, lore book hunting (I've yet to get my comet) battlegrounds, skyshards and delves, getting enough gold to max out your inventory, managing your inventory, being able to earn enough writs to unlock every storage container, getting a home that can hold every storage container and God forbid if you want to change it up and play different class or if you're a psychopath like me and play all of them!
@@Verasoul you're just... Wrong but ok. If you are not willing to put in minimal effort in this game you should not waste peoples times in trials and other group content.
We frequently get brand new players into trials when they hit 160 in my guild, within weeks of them joining the game. If you aren't willing to put in minor effort that's fine. Stay out of trials.
Also if you don't have full sets of gear stay the fuck out of battlegrounds.
@@drackar Found the toxic elitist...