This would have been the perfect comparison video - had you demonstrated one graphic from each. Low cost isn't the only factor in choosing any printer. Print quality matters.
Thank you for your comment. We would be happy to print an image for you on the EPSON F170. We would recommend getting the same image printed on the SG500 as well. Unfortunately, we don’t have Sawgrass. Give us a call and we can help!
I had one for 14 months and it was ok. It did what I needed it to do. My print count is at just over 900 pages. It was working fine one day, the next day it would not print red at all. I tried print head cleaning multiple times and nothing. Now my maintenance box is full and it won't do anything. I contacted customer support, but I am 2 months outside of the warranty. I can try and get ahold of a business that works on epson printers (per customer service) but it is 160 miles away. I am beyond frustrated and upset. The only thing I had done differently, was installing the newest firmware update after making a few items, the next morning I had no red. I don't even understand how one could affect the other, but I have never had any issues before. I am now looking at a sawgrass. This was the second epson f170 I had gone through. Luckily the first was as soon as I had gotten it and it was still under warranty.
It seems that quality is not important. When in a business the most important thing is the quality you offer to a client. That will make you a point of reference.
Quality is so important! Check out our video "How to Get the Best Colors out of your Epson SureColor F170" or give us a call to get the best quality from your printer.
One issue with Epson Eco tank printers are they use only CYMK color space unless you get the ones that use 6 colors for photo printing. I have 3 Epson printers and the only one I have that prints true colors is my old 1400 wide format which has 6 colors. I can use different profiles to suit my needs. RGB mode creates the maximum color combinations, with 16.7 million colors compared to CMYK's 16,000 possibilities
Hello, can you tell me about the F170 vs the Seagrass? My question is for the F170 printer… does it automatically do self checks and automates to prevent ink from clogging? Can this printer sit for months if not used for a while? I have read that the sawgrass prevents ink clogging… does the F170 do the same? Does the F170 come with its own software? Brenda
Hi @wiltonwarrior58, the EPSON F170 may do an auto cleaning before you print. It is always a good idea to run a nozzle check before printing. The printer can sit for a while but as with many printers, it is always a good idea to turn it on and run a nozzle check to make sure lines are clear. About once a month should be OK depending on your environment where the printer is. The F170 comes with a print driver.
Hi, it's a great video but I would like to know what is the difference between Epson SC-F170 and Epson SC-F100 ? 🤔Because this model SC- F170 cannot be found in Europe.
Thanku so much for this video. I want to start sublimantion printing businesses and this video is helpful however I wonder whether epson can beat so grass when it comes quality and durability
Hi Adonis, thanks for your comment. If you email us at info@itsupplies.com with an image, we can print you a sample to test for durability & to compare quality. We recommend asking sawgrass to do the same.
This video is very, very misleading. The Epson F170 doesn't offer a bypass tray like the SawGrass for larger prints, it doesn't have auto cleaning like the SawGrass, and the software is limited to what is already owned by the user. The SawGrass offers Print manager, and Creative Studios, along with the initial purchase. Also, there are alternate cartridges that can now be purchased, which are cheaper, and bridges the gap even closer between the two. Epson, make the F170 easy to acquire instead of providing it in specialty shops, bundle it with some nice software, offer a byoass tray, and you might have a winner. If not, I think the SawGrass is the better buy.
@@MsDstarr They are searchable via Amazon. Just search for SG500 ink. If I provide a link chances are it would get deleted. Not sure how reliable the ink is either because I don't own the printer.
Hi Louis, we certainly don't want our videos to be misleading. This video focused on the economics of the two printers for those that are weighing the costs, and they are accurate. I'm sure others share your prioritization of other factors, and hopefully they're able to use this and other videos to make the best printer choice for their needs.
@@ITSuppliesINC I'm doing my research. I want so much to choose this printer, and if I think I can manage without the built in software of the SG500, I would definitely purchase this.
Laura, thanks for your comment. If you email us at info@itsupplies.com with an image, we can print you a sample to test for durability & to compare quality. We recommend asking sawgrass to do the same.
Received my printer and LOVE it so far. The only issue I am having is the colors aren't as vibrant and I can't figure out how to do color corrections. Any advice?
Hi! Since this printer doesn’t run on any RIP software, we suggest printing through an Adobe product like Photoshop or Illustrator because you can apply different color profiles and print through the Adobe Print Engine. Let us know us know if we can be of further assistance by emailing us at info@itsupplies.com or calling us at 1-800-771-9665
Hello, I'm waiting for mine to arrive. Can you please tell me how the colors are? I'm told they are accurate to the photo I'm printing. I'm tired of working with profiles ECT on my converted one.
Hi Jessica, congrats on your purchase! You are correct, the most important thing is having a good file to print. Tell us how it goes once you get your new printer. :-)
@@ITSuppliesINC Hello. I finally received it. Everything is going smooth. I use textile for everything because rigid is horrible. I gave up looking for Epson paper and when I finally found it they wanted almost 30 dollars so that was a hard pass. I'm finishing up my koala paper and I'm starting htvront paper. I'm not sold on that paper. Sadly I now have it in both sizes so I will try to keep using it. I've always used koala but with the Epson ink it doesn't seem compatible. When I do tumblers regardless of time and temp it will either over cook or under cook or burn under the bands. I have used htvront and I have not noticed that. There was on area on a tumbler it seemed to look a little brown at the rim of it but very very tiny area. The colors to me seem duller than my kaola paper. My next step is trying a sub paper. I'm in a f570 group and people seem to like that paper. Others that use the f170 in there say that's all they will use so I may need to switch. Overall, I'm ecstatic over this printer. It literally was plug in set up and go. No more printer settings and hex codes rgb codes. What a nightmare. I am very pleased with this printer! Saved me hours and tons of polyester.
ok, is all fine. but what about the print speed? we work in trade fairs where fast printing is the priority. Will epson F170 be able to print at a speed equal to that of sawgrass / ricoh?
Hi Raffaele, We'd love to assist you. Send us an image you would like timed to info@itsupplies.com and we'd love to print it and time it for you to compare.
Hi Brian, We'd love to assist you. Send us an image you would like timed to info@itsupplies.com and we'd love to print it and time it for you to compare.
It is not, this is the EPSON SureColor F170 sold in the US, while the F100 is sold in the EU. We are only authorized to sell EPSON within the United States. Contact your local EPSON reseller for more information on what's available in your area.
Hi, thanks for your comment. The F100 is the European model of the F170 which is the US model. The F100 is not sold here in the US so we would not be able to give you a full comparison.
Hi Yaser, The Epson F170 is a genuine Epson Dye-Sublimation Machine. This machine was intended for sublimation printing unlike the Epson ET 2720, we recommend using the Epson F170.
Hi @Yaser Yas, sorry we missed your comment. Thank you for your message. When converting printers you will void the warranty on your printer. We would recommend getting a sample printed for comparison if you are concerned about quality. Feel free to reach out to IT Supplies to get this done for you. You can call and ask for a Textile Print Specialist to help at 1-800-771-9665
I currently use an Epson 2720 that I have converted. I noticed recently that my black ink runs when the mugs are washed with water. Would the F170 solve this problem?
@@ITSuppliesINC I just ordered the F170 and it will be here tomorrow! My issue was normal hand washing of mugs after normal use. The black would appear to run or smear into the white areas. I might have received a bad batch of mugs.
I'm a photographer and sell my prints. I currently use a Canon Pro 10 and use PS & LR to edit my prints. I want to print on metal, (aluminum), I"m most concerned about the quality of my end product. Not much is said about printing on metal photo art. How does print quality of F170 compare with Sawgrass or those outsourced printers who make metal photo prints?
Hi Dean, The SureColor F170 has a max print resolution of 1200 x 600 dpi while the SureColor F570 has a max print resolution of 2400 x 1200 dpi. The SureColor F570 is more costly but a major step up in quality and would be more suitable for producing higher quality, sellable prints. We actually have a video of the F570 doing metal prints here ---- ua-cam.com/video/-qW3Bb9NRW4/v-deo.html If you have any questions or want to do an online or in-person demo just give us a call 1-800-771-9665 (M-F 8-5pm CST) and ask for a dye-sublimation specialist to help find the best solution for you!
@@ITSuppliesINC So just to be clear if I have a high resolution TIFF file and produce a 8.5x11 print and in the F170 and make the same print on the Sawgrass comparable 8.5x11 printer then I’ll see a noticeable quality difference in the metal prints? Thanks for your help Dean
Dean - to make sure we answer your specific question correctly - could you give us a call at 800-771-9665 and ask for a Textile Print Specialist? Thanks!
Hello Yaser, we offer free ground shipping throughout the contiguous United States. It does look like the product is available at this time but give us a call at 1-800-771-9665 to place an order and to make sure the printer is in stock at the time of your order!
It's not recommended to use third party ink with the printer as it can damage the printer and voids any pre-existing warranty on the printer through the manufacturer.
It is not, this is the EPSON SureColor F170 sold in the US, while the F100 is sold in the EU. We are only authorized to sell EPSON within the United States. Contact your local EPSON reseller for more information on what's available in your area.
Hi! Thanks for your comment. Epson's goal was to create an affordable unit. In this case, if you'd like larger print options, the 24in Epson F570 could be the best option (roll & sheet fed media). Your overhead cost is immediately upfront while your consumable cost continues to stay low and affordable as you continue to print over time. If you have any additional question, we have dedicated Textile Representatives that would love to assist you. You can email us at info@itsupplies.com or call 1-800-771-9665
Hi Star! You are absolutely correct! The Epson F170 is a genuine dye-sublimation printer - no converting needed. Here is a link to the printer and the supplies www.itsupplies.com/Epson-SureColor-F170-DyeSublimation-Printer-p/c11cj80201.htm
This would have been the perfect comparison video - had you demonstrated one graphic from each. Low cost isn't the only factor in choosing any printer. Print quality matters.
Thank you for your comment. We would be happy to print an image for you on the EPSON F170. We would recommend getting the same image printed on the SG500 as well. Unfortunately, we don’t have Sawgrass. Give us a call and we can help!
I had one for 14 months and it was ok. It did what I needed it to do. My print count is at just over 900 pages. It was working fine one day, the next day it would not print red at all. I tried print head cleaning multiple times and nothing. Now my maintenance box is full and it won't do anything. I contacted customer support, but I am 2 months outside of the warranty. I can try and get ahold of a business that works on epson printers (per customer service) but it is 160 miles away. I am beyond frustrated and upset. The only thing I had done differently, was installing the newest firmware update after making a few items, the next morning I had no red. I don't even understand how one could affect the other, but I have never had any issues before. I am now looking at a sawgrass. This was the second epson f170 I had gone through. Luckily the first was as soon as I had gotten it and it was still under warranty.
It seems that quality is not important. When in a business the most important thing is the quality you offer to a client. That will make you a point of reference.
Quality is so important! Check out our video "How to Get the Best Colors out of your Epson SureColor F170" or give us a call to get the best quality from your printer.
One issue with Epson Eco tank printers are they use only CYMK color space unless you get the ones that use 6 colors for photo printing. I have 3 Epson printers and the only one I have that prints true colors is my old 1400 wide format which has 6 colors. I can use different profiles to suit my needs.
RGB mode creates the maximum color combinations, with 16.7 million colors compared to CMYK's 16,000 possibilities
Thank you I'm ordering mine in a few weeks
Call us when you're ready :) 1-800-771-9665
Hello, can you tell me about the F170 vs the Seagrass? My question is for the F170 printer… does it automatically do self checks and automates to prevent ink from clogging? Can this printer sit for months if not used for a while? I have read that the sawgrass prevents ink clogging… does the F170 do the same? Does the F170 come with its own software?
Brenda
Hi @wiltonwarrior58, the EPSON F170 may do an auto cleaning before you print. It is always a good idea to run a nozzle check before printing. The printer can sit for a while but as with many printers, it is always a good idea to turn it on and run a nozzle check to make sure lines are clear. About once a month should be OK depending on your environment where the printer is. The F170 comes with a print driver.
Hi, it's a great video but I would like to know what is the difference between Epson SC-F170 and Epson SC-F100 ? 🤔Because this model SC- F170 cannot be found in Europe.
The F170 is the version sold in the United States. The other model is only sold in Europe. Same printer, different model numbers for each location.
@@ITSuppliesINC thank you very much for the answer
Thanku so much for this video. I want to start sublimantion printing businesses and this video is helpful however I wonder whether epson can beat so grass when it comes quality and durability
Hi Adonis, thanks for your comment. If you email us at info@itsupplies.com with an image, we can print you a sample to test for durability & to compare quality. We recommend asking sawgrass to do the same.
This video is very, very misleading. The Epson F170 doesn't offer a bypass tray like the SawGrass for larger prints, it doesn't have auto cleaning like the SawGrass, and the software is limited to what is already owned by the user. The SawGrass offers Print manager, and Creative Studios, along with the initial purchase. Also, there are alternate cartridges that can now be purchased, which are cheaper, and bridges the gap even closer between the two.
Epson, make the F170 easy to acquire instead of providing it in specialty shops, bundle it with some nice software, offer a byoass tray, and you might have a winner. If not, I think the SawGrass is the better buy.
What are the cheaper cartridges that are available now?
@@MsDstarr They are searchable via Amazon. Just search for SG500 ink. If I provide a link chances are it would get deleted. Not sure how reliable the ink is either because I don't own the printer.
Hi Louis, we certainly don't want our videos to be misleading. This video focused on the economics of the two printers for those that are weighing the costs, and they are accurate. I'm sure others share your prioritization of other factors, and hopefully they're able to use this and other videos to make the best printer choice for their needs.
@@ITSuppliesINC I'm doing my research. I want so much to choose this printer, and if I think I can manage without the built in software of the SG500, I would definitely purchase this.
Do you have a print quality comparison?
Laura, thanks for your comment. If you email us at info@itsupplies.com with an image, we can print you a sample to test for durability & to compare quality. We recommend asking sawgrass to do the same.
Received my printer and LOVE it so far. The only issue I am having is the colors aren't as vibrant and I can't figure out how to do color corrections. Any advice?
I’m having the same issue. The colors just don’t pop for me. Did you discover anything?
Hi! Since this printer doesn’t run on any RIP software, we suggest printing through an Adobe product like Photoshop or Illustrator because you can apply different color profiles and print through the Adobe Print Engine. Let us know us know if we can be of further assistance by emailing us at info@itsupplies.com or calling us at 1-800-771-9665
@@fkabarca I resolved this use downloading the ICC Profile (U.S.Sheetfed Coated v2 for CMYK and sRGB IEC61966-2.1 FOR RGB COLORS)
@@mari655feb Thank you, where did you download this?
@@mari655feb Thank you! Where did you download this?
Hello, I'm waiting for mine to arrive. Can you please tell me how the colors are? I'm told they are accurate to the photo I'm printing. I'm tired of working with profiles ECT on my converted one.
Hi Jessica, congrats on your purchase! You are correct, the most important thing is having a good file to print. Tell us how it goes once you get your new printer. :-)
@@ITSuppliesINC Hello. I finally received it. Everything is going smooth. I use textile for everything because rigid is horrible. I gave up looking for Epson paper and when I finally found it they wanted almost 30 dollars so that was a hard pass. I'm finishing up my koala paper and I'm starting htvront paper. I'm not sold on that paper. Sadly I now have it in both sizes so I will try to keep using it. I've always used koala but with the Epson ink it doesn't seem compatible. When I do tumblers regardless of time and temp it will either over cook or under cook or burn under the bands. I have used htvront and I have not noticed that. There was on area on a tumbler it seemed to look a little brown at the rim of it but very very tiny area. The colors to me seem duller than my kaola paper. My next step is trying a sub paper. I'm in a f570 group and people seem to like that paper. Others that use the f170 in there say that's all they will use so I may need to switch. Overall, I'm ecstatic over this printer. It literally was plug in set up and go. No more printer settings and hex codes rgb codes. What a nightmare. I am very pleased with this printer! Saved me hours and tons of polyester.
Will Epson offer a midsized sublimation printer like the Sg1000?
Epson Surecolor T2170
ok, is all fine. but what about the print speed? we work in trade fairs where fast printing is the priority. Will epson F170 be able to print at a speed equal to that of sawgrass / ricoh?
My same question... what is the print speed? Epson doesn't publish on their website.
Hi Raffaele, We'd love to assist you. Send us an image you would like timed to info@itsupplies.com and we'd love to print it and time it for you to compare.
Hi Brian, We'd love to assist you. Send us an image you would like timed to info@itsupplies.com and we'd love to print it and time it for you to compare.
@@ITSuppliesINC I will, thank you.
With sg, do i have to use sg ink in order to retain warranty?
Hello @dukeforrest2420, thank you for your question. It is best that you reach out to SawGrass directly regarding this question.
Hi , can you tell me if this printer same as epson sure colorf 100 ?
It is not, this is the EPSON SureColor F170 sold in the US, while the F100 is sold in the EU. We are only authorized to sell EPSON within the United States. Contact your local EPSON reseller for more information on what's available in your area.
What's the difference between Epson F100 and F170?
Hi, thanks for your comment. The F100 is the European model of the F170 which is the US model. The F100 is not sold here in the US so we would not be able to give you a full comparison.
@@ITSuppliesINC Thank you 😊
@@ITSuppliesINC Here in Israel, the F100 cost $1300
will buy f170 from the US, thx.
Btw , what do you think about the resolution , the et-2720 with 5760*1440 but this one with just 1200* 600 !
Hi Yaser, The Epson F170 is a genuine Epson Dye-Sublimation Machine. This machine was intended for sublimation printing unlike the Epson ET 2720, we recommend using the Epson F170.
@@ITSuppliesINC what about the dpi it’s Dpi less then the et -2720 printer
Hi @Yaser Yas, sorry we missed your comment. Thank you for your message. When converting printers you will void the warranty on your printer. We would recommend getting a sample printed for comparison if you are concerned about quality. Feel free to reach out to IT Supplies to get this done for you. You can call and ask for a Textile Print Specialist to help at 1-800-771-9665
Thanks so much!
How does software play into the cost of owning an Epson?
Hi Dennis, the F170 comes with a driver called Epson Edge (Free).
I'm going to purchase this printer from you because this is such a great video!
Hi Ral, we have a link in the description. Next time we'll mention that in the video. Glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the feedback!
@@ITSuppliesINC Yes thank you. I found it LOL.
I currently use an Epson 2720 that I have converted. I noticed recently that my black ink runs when the mugs are washed with water. Would the F170 solve this problem?
Hi Christina, That does not happen with Epson Dye-sub printers. Are you washing the mug before printing or after printing?
@@ITSuppliesINC I just ordered the F170 and it will be here tomorrow! My issue was normal hand washing of mugs after normal use. The black would appear to run or smear into the white areas. I might have received a bad batch of mugs.
@@christinarebold1962 Christina, are you using enough heat and a long-enough press time?
I'm a photographer and sell my prints. I currently use a Canon Pro 10 and use PS & LR to edit my prints. I want to print on metal, (aluminum), I"m most concerned about the quality of my end product. Not much is said about printing on metal photo art. How does print quality of F170 compare with Sawgrass or those outsourced printers who make metal photo prints?
Hi Dean,
The SureColor F170 has a max print resolution of 1200 x 600 dpi while the SureColor F570 has a max print resolution of 2400 x 1200 dpi. The SureColor F570 is more costly but a major step up in quality and would be more suitable for producing higher quality, sellable prints. We actually have a video of the F570 doing metal prints here ---- ua-cam.com/video/-qW3Bb9NRW4/v-deo.html
If you have any questions or want to do an online or in-person demo just give us a call 1-800-771-9665 (M-F 8-5pm CST) and ask for a dye-sublimation specialist to help find the best solution for you!
@@ITSuppliesINC So just to be clear if I have a high resolution TIFF file and produce a 8.5x11 print and in the F170 and make the same print on the Sawgrass comparable 8.5x11 printer then I’ll see a noticeable quality difference in the metal prints? Thanks for your help Dean
Dean - to make sure we answer your specific question correctly - could you give us a call at 800-771-9665 and ask for a Textile Print Specialist? Thanks!
Is this product available , can I get free shipping to Nashua, NH, 03063 ?
Hello Yaser, we offer free ground shipping throughout the contiguous United States. It does look like the product is available at this time but give us a call at 1-800-771-9665 to place an order and to make sure the printer is in stock at the time of your order!
@@ITSuppliesINC thanks
Can I use third party ink with f170?
It's not recommended to use third party ink with the printer as it can damage the printer and voids any pre-existing warranty on the printer through the manufacturer.
Is this printer same as epson f100 ?
yes f100 is europe
It is not, this is the EPSON SureColor F170 sold in the US, while the F100 is sold in the EU. We are only authorized to sell EPSON within the United States. Contact your local EPSON reseller for more information on what's available in your area.
For the price and not have the option for larger print, I’m passing. I almost purchased it.
Hi! Thanks for your comment. Epson's goal was to create an affordable unit. In this case, if you'd like larger print options, the 24in Epson F570 could be the best option (roll & sheet fed media). Your overhead cost is immediately upfront while your consumable cost continues to stay low and affordable as you continue to print over time. If you have any additional question, we have dedicated Textile Representatives that would love to assist you. You can email us at info@itsupplies.com or call 1-800-771-9665
@@ITSuppliesINC Epson F570 is over 2K Lol..
@@ivanriobla Epson Surecolor T2170
So you don’t need to convert this one
Hi Star! You are absolutely correct! The Epson F170 is a genuine dye-sublimation printer - no converting needed. Here is a link to the printer and the supplies www.itsupplies.com/Epson-SureColor-F170-DyeSublimation-Printer-p/c11cj80201.htm
Is there a software for making designs
Hi Cindy, design software does not come with this unit. Most customers design in coreldraw or adobe suits (photoshop, illustrator, etc.).