Kuch should be 3rd imo, Drai 4th, Matthews 5th. The top 5 of McDavid, Mackinnon, Kucherov, Draisaitl, and Matthews all have a Hart and a Ted Lindsay and have constantly produced in the regular season. However, Matthews is the only person in that group who is under a point per game in the playoffs and has less than 50 career playoff points while the other 4 have over 100. I don’t think I have to explain why Mack and McDavid are better but people underrate Kuch and Drai. Kucherov has almost always been the best player on the lightning during the playoffs his whole career, he’s lead his team to 4 finals and 2 Cups. In the 3 straight finals run, he put up 93 points which is near double Matthews career in the playoffs. Kuch and Drai are also apart of only 7 players in NHL history to score 30+ points in 2 different playoff runs. It comes down to Matthews having similar (but still worse) regular season success but not having any playoff success.
I would argue, Pasta deserves to be higher. He does more with less than any player on the top 10 of this list. I mean, this guy drives an entire Boston team that has been unstoppable the past two regular seasons.
@@thewalnut4017 I just think all the players that I have above him are better play drivers for their team. I could see an argument for him being 5th but not higher imo
@@KASSIANOWNSYOU Being 7th on a players list is not bad lmao, I’m not saying he is a bad player or anything. He is one of the best playoffs performer and a great scorer, but I just have Makar, Kuch, Matthews over him for sure. To me, he is in the same tier as Pasta.
He’s better then pasta in my eyes, he’s more versatile like he score as well as pasta and is a better playmaker. I mean everybody can have their reasoning as of why this player is over that player with the top 10 it’s pretty wide open except for a certain few players who everybody has slotted in the same spot
@@Andrew-ok6dm being a winger makes you objectively less valuable on both ends, the positioning of a C will always be more impactful and will contribute more
@@thewalnut4017Centers are more valuable than winger if the center actually is a good defender, Leon is not. So I really don’t get the argument in that situation. I’m bias tho but still
@@Andrew-ok6dm you are less important defensively, which affects your overall value. Draisaitl is also two years younger than Kucherov, which adds to his value.
And stop kidding whit us auston matthews is hardly 1 of The 20 best players in The nhl he is defintly not any complete player at al he is a good goalscorer but thats it
@@hanslilja3873 you have to be a casual. Even though I hate the leafs Matthews is one of the best players in the league. He's a very good defender and decent at playmaking. Also +/- doesn't determine how good a player is. Kucherov barely was positive and does that mean he's a bad player?
@@Park0909+ / - is an interesting stat to look at over a whole career and with context. If a guy who played on a mid team got 20+ every year of his career, it says something and the opposite is also true. But it doesn’t count the bad luck, goalie, ice time (especially for a player on a bad team) the opposition he faces, linemates. The power play specialist player don’t get the recognition of the their talent on the power play with that stat too, so It’s a nice stats to look at over a long period of time and analyzing the context.
IMO, the Matthews/Draisaitl debate for 3/4 is pretty straightforward. Matthews is the better goalscorer and better defensively, while Draisaitl is the better playmaker and frankly just has some unreal playoff performances. Now, personally, I would argue that the difference in competition between teams like LA, Vancouver without Demko, or the Flames in 22 when Markstrom turned into a pumpkin and teams like Boston, Tampa and god-mode Carey Price plays a role in that. With basically the sole exception of 2020 vs the Blue Jackets, I would argue the Leafs have always faced SUBSTANTIALLY better defensive teams and better goaltending, but at the end of the day that doesn’t excuse all the game 7 losses and blown series/late game leads. So, basically, here’s the argument - do you want someone that can score 2 goals and allow zero against, or score 1 goal and 3 assists but allow 2 against?
Could be Mack or Kuch equally, the difference could be that they got the same points, but mack got 10 more goals and also if they were tied for the voting, mack has never won it so... Also cant make the excuse of players because both players have equal support
@@ChrisPowellUA-camI’m bias for sure but Kucherov had 50 points more than the second highest scorer in Tampa, so the argument that they had the same help is crazy. It was a 50/50 between him and Mack tho. Both of them deserved it.
@@MedineBABA yeah but Mack had a big lead on the second on the team as well, which is what happens when u get 140 points, both players are better in their own ways so I wouldnt be mad at either getting mvp
@@ChrisPowellUA-cam Mack had a 36 point lead on Rantanen while Kuch had a 54 point lead on Point. It’s a huge difference. I’m not mad that Mack won it either but I just wanted to say that I didn’t agree at all with your teammates argument lol
Mike I need u to clarify something else😅 u dropped Drai all the way down to 8 in your half-season rankings and now after a playoff run u bump him up FIVE spots? He should have never come out of the top 5. Surely u can admit that it was recency bias when u had him all the way down at 8? Do u really think players magically get worse or is it simply that they go through tough stretches? Your ranking of Marner is another example of this. MIKE!😩
Tough Disagree, here is my list. After watching the playoffs seeing barkov shut down 4 players on the top 10. Don’t know how he isn’t #2 1.) Mcjesus, 2.) Barkov 3.) Nathan 4.) Makar 5.) Kuch 6.) Dri 7.) Thachuk 8.) Matthews 9.) Crosby 10.) Pasta
Most autistic list ever, mathews below chucker and barky over mack is diabolical, but obv ur a panthers fan so we will let u enjoy ur one and only cup win
“one of the best players in the world, but doesn’t play defense “best player but not good defensively” …imo that makes you not a top 5 player lolol Kuch and Pasta doing absolutely nothing defensively(especially Kuch) takes them out of the top 6 for me …
Eh drai is a C, arguably just as good of a playmaker, better passer better goal scorer and better on D, kuch is a blackhole. Matthews is so much better on defense and is better on offense neither had a good playoffs, drai is also miles ahead of kuch In the playoffs the last 2 years
@@loganhacker9329 good thing I said arguably and as good if you could read, drai is better on D imo, and the gap from the last two years In the playoffs is big enough
@@thewalnut4017 ironically Kucherov had the better ppg this year in the playoffs. Let’s also not pretend ‘23 leafs and ‘24 panthers compare to the LA kings
@@Your_Role_Model lol no. He's a decent player. He gets you a bit better than a point a game and plays good defence. But he's a far cry from other elite players in the league. Belongs in the 17-30 range
Kuch should be 3rd imo, Drai 4th, Matthews 5th. The top 5 of McDavid, Mackinnon, Kucherov, Draisaitl, and Matthews all have a Hart and a Ted Lindsay and have constantly produced in the regular season. However, Matthews is the only person in that group who is under a point per game in the playoffs and has less than 50 career playoff points while the other 4 have over 100. I don’t think I have to explain why Mack and McDavid are better but people underrate Kuch and Drai. Kucherov has almost always been the best player on the lightning during the playoffs his whole career, he’s lead his team to 4 finals and 2 Cups. In the 3 straight finals run, he put up 93 points which is near double Matthews career in the playoffs. Kuch and Drai are also apart of only 7 players in NHL history to score 30+ points in 2 different playoff runs. It comes down to Matthews having similar (but still worse) regular season success but not having any playoff success.
1. mcdavid
2. mackinnon
3. makar
4. kucherov
5. barkov
6. drai
7. matthews
8. tkachuk
9. hughes
10. shesterkin
Sid the Kid is one of the most talented grinders in NHL history.
While Pasta probably deserves the 7 spot, he could be a 130 point player if he didn’t consistently play with middle sixers last year.
Agreed he's a beast
More people should watch this guys videos
First
Mike can you do a video on your opinion of big resignings this off-season? Buchnevich, hedman, etc.?
I've done an IG graphic grading the biggest ones about a week ago, @mbonhockey! Will do a video once we get some more.
I would argue, Pasta deserves to be higher. He does more with less than any player on the top 10 of this list. I mean, this guy drives an entire Boston team that has been unstoppable the past two regular seasons.
Quite a good list tbh, I would probably have Leon 7th and everybody else move up. My opinion tho
@@MedineBABA why?
@@thewalnut4017 I just think all the players that I have above him are better play drivers for their team. I could see an argument for him being 5th but not higher imo
How? He is probably the biggest playoff performer in the league, and he had a down year but before this he’s been just as good as McDavid
@@KASSIANOWNSYOU Being 7th on a players list is not bad lmao, I’m not saying he is a bad player or anything. He is one of the best playoffs performer and a great scorer, but I just have Makar, Kuch, Matthews over him for sure. To me, he is in the same tier as Pasta.
He’s better then pasta in my eyes, he’s more versatile like he score as well as pasta and is a better playmaker. I mean everybody can have their reasoning as of why this player is over that player with the top 10 it’s pretty wide open except for a certain few players who everybody has slotted in the same spot
Drai over Kuch is crazy to me but great video
Kuch is a winger and does not play d.
@@djardine2520why does being a winger mean you’re a worse player? Not saying ur wrong just genuinely curious
@@Andrew-ok6dm being a winger makes you objectively less valuable on both ends, the positioning of a C will always be more impactful and will contribute more
@@thewalnut4017Centers are more valuable than winger if the center actually is a good defender, Leon is not. So I really don’t get the argument in that situation. I’m bias tho but still
@@Andrew-ok6dm you are less important defensively, which affects your overall value. Draisaitl is also two years younger than Kucherov, which adds to his value.
Love your videos keep it up
Thanks Ryan!
Hey mbon, ever gonna give out the bracket challenge prizes?
Oh shit my bad, if you won DM my personal insta michaelbartner my DM's are crazy sorry if I missed you
You should show videos too not just to see ur mug
Still moving into a new place so can't edit much in until I have my PC but I agree
LMAOOO
@@MikeBartner Cool...
Forsberg gonna be on the list twice and be number 2 behind the legend Cedric paquette
Where do you rank Rantanen?
No Gus Forsling in the top 50 is wild.
@@coot1234 did he mention Sam Rheinhart?
Forsling is The best defensmen in The whole nhl now he have The best +/- in The leauge this year
And stop kidding whit us auston matthews is hardly 1 of The 20 best players in The nhl he is defintly not any complete player at al he is a good goalscorer but thats it
@@hanslilja3873 you have to be a casual. Even though I hate the leafs Matthews is one of the best players in the league. He's a very good defender and decent at playmaking. Also +/- doesn't determine how good a player is. Kucherov barely was positive and does that mean he's a bad player?
@@Park0909+ / - is an interesting stat to look at over a whole career and with context. If a guy who played on a mid team got 20+ every year of his career, it says something and the opposite is also true. But it doesn’t count the bad luck, goalie, ice time (especially for a player on a bad team) the opposition he faces, linemates. The power play specialist player don’t get the recognition of the their talent on the power play with that stat too, so It’s a nice stats to look at over a long period of time and analyzing the context.
IMO, the Matthews/Draisaitl debate for 3/4 is pretty straightforward. Matthews is the better goalscorer and better defensively, while Draisaitl is the better playmaker and frankly just has some unreal playoff performances.
Now, personally, I would argue that the difference in competition between teams like LA, Vancouver without Demko, or the Flames in 22 when Markstrom turned into a pumpkin and teams like Boston, Tampa and god-mode Carey Price plays a role in that. With basically the sole exception of 2020 vs the Blue Jackets, I would argue the Leafs have always faced SUBSTANTIALLY better defensive teams and better goaltending, but at the end of the day that doesn’t excuse all the game 7 losses and blown series/late game leads.
So, basically, here’s the argument - do you want someone that can score 2 goals and allow zero against, or score 1 goal and 3 assists but allow 2 against?
Kuch deserved MVP in my book imo. That team was such a disaster defensively
Could be Mack or Kuch equally, the difference could be that they got the same points, but mack got 10 more goals and also if they were tied for the voting, mack has never won it so... Also cant make the excuse of players because both players have equal support
@@ChrisPowellUA-camI’m bias for sure but Kucherov had 50 points more than the second highest scorer in Tampa, so the argument that they had the same help is crazy. It was a 50/50 between him and Mack tho. Both of them deserved it.
@@MedineBABA yeah but Mack had a big lead on the second on the team as well, which is what happens when u get 140 points, both players are better in their own ways so I wouldnt be mad at either getting mvp
@@ChrisPowellUA-cam Mack had a 36 point lead on Rantanen while Kuch had a 54 point lead on Point. It’s a huge difference. I’m not mad that Mack won it either but I just wanted to say that I didn’t agree at all with your teammates argument lol
Ted Lindsay: Mac
Hart: Kuch
Can't have Barkov below all these people after his performance in Florida's cup run
Mike I need u to clarify something else😅 u dropped Drai all the way down to 8 in your half-season rankings and now after a playoff run u bump him up FIVE spots? He should have never come out of the top 5. Surely u can admit that it was recency bias when u had him all the way down at 8? Do u really think players magically get worse or is it simply that they go through tough stretches? Your ranking of Marner is another example of this. MIKE!😩
i think jack hughes should make the top ten
Makar had a career high in points with 90 this past year.. someone explain the 'drop off' Mike is talking about
Defensively
What’s up Mike
What's up Nathan!
Jack must have not made the cut 😈
12th!
No Jimmy Vesey is crazy
Is ur hair gonna grow or what
Tough
Disagree, here is my list. After watching the playoffs seeing barkov shut down 4 players on the top 10. Don’t know how he isn’t #2
1.) Mcjesus,
2.) Barkov
3.) Nathan
4.) Makar
5.) Kuch
6.) Dri
7.) Thachuk
8.) Matthews
9.) Crosby
10.) Pasta
Barkov didn't shut down anyone in Edmonton and was not good defensively in the final 4 games to be fair...
Barkov is quickly becoming overrated lmao
Most autistic list ever, mathews below chucker and barky over mack is diabolical, but obv ur a panthers fan so we will let u enjoy ur one and only cup win
@@MrUltimateSF lol, Mcjesus 3 goals in home games, Dri 0 goals in a 7 game series. These guys are lights out each series.
@@ChrisPowellUA-cam what does matthews do in the playoffs? Nothing. Sorry you leaf fan
Where's Barclay Goodrow
Kuch is top 3 he should’ve been MVP and is way better than Matthews and better than Drisaital
Having Draisaitl and Matthews ahead of Kucherov is utterly diabolical
You left out Tyson Barrie
“one of the best players in the world, but doesn’t play defense “best player but not good defensively” …imo that makes you not a top 5 player lolol Kuch and Pasta doing absolutely nothing defensively(especially Kuch) takes them out of the top 6 for me …
brendan smith snubbed
Grandmas bedroom?
Gimme Kucherov over draisaitl. Also Matthews never had ever had a better ppg% an any szn than kuch.
Eh drai is a C, arguably just as good of a playmaker, better passer better goal scorer and better on D, kuch is a blackhole. Matthews is so much better on defense and is better on offense neither had a good playoffs, drai is also miles ahead of kuch In the playoffs the last 2 years
@@thewalnut4017 surely stats back him up being a better playmaker(they don’t) both bad defensively
@@loganhacker9329 good thing I said arguably and as good if you could read, drai is better on D imo, and the gap from the last two years In the playoffs is big enough
@@thewalnut4017 ironically Kucherov had the better ppg this year in the playoffs. Let’s also not pretend ‘23 leafs and ‘24 panthers compare to the LA kings
I think I gotta have Matthews over Drai
Why's that?
@thewalnut4017 no one has more goals since that draft than Matthews
@@AbolishedEmu and drai blows him out of the water in the playoffs
@thewalnut4017 no one has more goals since Mattthews was drafted than Matthews. He also gets some selke votes every year
@@AbolishedEmu cool, does that translate to the playoffs?
trash list, no anthony duclair 🙄🙄
Very suprised Barzal and Dobson aren't here
dont be, Dobson is worse than fox, makar, josi and hughes fs, and barzal is good but nothing like crosby or chucker
@@ChrisPowellUA-cam I'm making fun of Mike being a biased Islanders fan
@@marquisduhsade oh alr
Thumbnail comment. Sid is not top 9 dude. Atleast not atm. Bro this guy I swear is ALWAYS overrated
OMG LEON DRAISITAL IS SO OVERRATED jeez
Cause 100 points a season and historic playoff numbers is overrated
Facts Leon is such a fraudulent superstar
@@nickmacdaddy6850bad take
Drai over Mathews and makar is a little insane
I get Matthew’s, but Makar is very debateable
Drai is the best playoff performer in the nhl besides mcdavid
When Matthews shows up in the playoffs you can maybe argue for 3
@@Rberr16 Exactly, Matthews has less points in his playoff career in more games than Evan Bouchard, the Oilers defenseman.
Over Matthews is fair once you compare their playoff performances/numbers but id take makar over him
Drai is overrated
He is underated
@@MatthewWerkema-iy8on just no way you could actually believe that
Underrated by the majority of people
Dude he never played with good players
He was on a line with Warren foagole for a lot of the season
I'm an Oilers fan, Draisaitl is definitely top 5, but no way is he ahead of Kucherov.
1. McD
2. MacKinnon
3. Kucherov
4. Makar
5. Draisaitl
Barkov used to be underrated, now he's way overrrated
I bet you're an Oilers fan 🤡
@@Your_Role_Model lol no. He's a decent player. He gets you a bit better than a point a game and plays good defence. But he's a far cry from other elite players in the league. Belongs in the 17-30 range
With Bergeron retired Barkov is almost locked for the selke every single year.....
nuh uh