Watching this video, I distinctly remember the liner notes of a RUSH vinyl album that actually stated at the end "Side 1 is longer than side 2, therefore not as loud. So turn it up !"
@@Harlem55 Equalization and post-production dynamics were critical elements that were not even mentioned, because they also affect how your music translates to vinyl. Digital formats can handle 20Hz-20KHz frequencies and 100db dynamics with no issues - vinyl is far less capable...excessive low end causes wider grooves, using up more space and reducing playable time, plus you run the risk of the stylus jumping the groove (or worse, damaging the cutting stylus), while unnecessary highs will cause distortion (hissy ‘s’ sounds, for example). Post-dynamics in cutting may affect how you want your album heard - while modern music tends to be brick-wall compressed, making the whole thing feel louder and unnatural, it can at least get you over the natural noise floor of vinyl. Compression and limiting also have an adverse affect on low frequencies, reducing them gradually as you get more and more aggressive in settings. Depending on the style of music, sometimes it is better to be minimally obtrusive in your settings.
Neil Young mistakingly approved (faulty) the inital test pressing of his "Comes a Time" It was eventally caught and it was suggested that they just mix into the distribution of the "good" lps, the thousands of faulty ones. Neil declined and bought back the faulty ones at a cost of about $178,000 (1978 dollars, not today's nearly $900, 000). Good example to make your point about not skipping or not really listening to your test pressing.
You've made a convincing case for shorter sides, since near the middle the sound can tend to distort. What if a record is cut from the inside to the outside? Is it possible to get better sound quality by cutting this way?
This was standard practice in the days of Vitaphone sound films using disc, and of transcriptions of radio shows for later broadcast - they'd often alternate between sides or discs outside-in or inside-out so there was not a jarring change in volume. You can hear an example of not doing it this way on the widely-available WJSV "entire day of radio" recordings from 1939, during Arthur Godfrey's morning show he is talking and getting quieter with audible graininess & distortion, and right before the top of the hour they changed discs, the volume jumps dramatically & gets considerably clearer, as the velocity of the needle at the edge of the 16" disc is much faster, storing more information (modern equivalent might be the sound of a 44k WAV vs an 11k WAV of the same sound, it's speed as well as density); this happens early in the set, at the 7:00 am timecheck, so it's about 45-60 minutes into the recording. Man this is interesting stuff....
I am only half-inclined to agree with both Josh and Adam. I have an Engelbert Humperdinck LP "Remember - I Love You", released on White Records in Germany around 1987. The entire LP runs for just 62'15", so an average 31'00" per side. The engineers did their best to fit the information on an LP, and the sound was not distorted by the time the sides reached their end.
homes i make spiral cocaine lines in my records at the afters... it makes the record sound better and a little speedier...the right amount of C and the right sped up amount..
“Wings Greatest”, while being a great package, has a total run time of 54 minutes. This album is noisy as hell because of the low mastering volume, no matter which decade is was pressed in.
A vinyl cutter is a nice thing, but a vinyl cutter on tube based ist the deal!!! Tubemic - tubemixer- tubetaperecorder multirecorder - tubemixer - tube limiter and other effects like tubeplatereverb - tubemastertaperecorder and after all go on tube based studio gear than wride it with a TUBE-VINYL-CUTTER!!!! ...yeahhhh 100% tube !!!!
@@ivanasin1268 It's a fad that will most likely die in this decade, yes. It's a wonder that it even came back the way it did. However, sooner or later, most will realize how silly it was to hang on to something so archaic.
@@summersky77 I think you make a lot of assumptions and pretty much everything you're saying is based on short sighted personal conclusions. I don't believe records are archaic or silly, they're just a format that might be in fashion but that has also proven to remain reliable in time, and people have many individual reasons for preferring or not preferring them. Let's not assume that everyone buying records is just following a trend, we know nothing about people. LPs will continue to exist until they develop something tangible for us to keep our music in and at the moment they haven't been able to do that.
@@ivanasin1268 You asked me a question, I gave you my opinion and now you're coming down on me for making assumptions? I haven't made anymore assumptions than you. Both of us are speculating at this point. I'm just saying I'd be surprised if vinyl will still be a thing in the 2030s. Can we just leave it at that? Thanks.
@@summersky77 The thing is, a lot of people listen to vinyl for its sound quality. Technically it's imperfect but to most vinyl enthusiasts it's more pleasing. There are people who treat it like a trend, and those are the people who have cheap little turntables with their built in phono stages.
Watching this video, I distinctly remember the liner notes of a RUSH vinyl album that actually stated at the end "Side 1 is longer than side 2, therefore not as loud. So turn it up !"
The volume also has to do with other variables- it can be fixed by raising the dynamics in the master recording itself.
@@Harlem55 Equalization and post-production dynamics were critical elements that were not even mentioned, because they also affect how your music translates to vinyl. Digital formats can handle 20Hz-20KHz frequencies and 100db dynamics with no issues - vinyl is far less capable...excessive low end causes wider grooves, using up more space and reducing playable time, plus you run the risk of the stylus jumping the groove (or worse, damaging the cutting stylus), while unnecessary highs will cause distortion (hissy ‘s’ sounds, for example). Post-dynamics in cutting may affect how you want your album heard - while modern music tends to be brick-wall compressed, making the whole thing feel louder and unnatural, it can at least get you over the natural noise floor of vinyl. Compression and limiting also have an adverse affect on low frequencies, reducing them gradually as you get more and more aggressive in settings. Depending on the style of music, sometimes it is better to be minimally obtrusive in your settings.
Lots of cool info! Thanks!
Very good and useful advice. Thanks for creating and sharing this video!
Fantastic. Thanks to you both.
best LP101 video, highly recommended！cool men
"Don't have the big finish towards the end"
But also, Stairway to Heaven was very close to the center, as the last song of side A on Led Zeppelin IV.
These guys are great. Very informative video.
great eye opener great to know you Adam vincie connection
Great video, thanks !! 😊
Neil Young mistakingly approved (faulty) the inital test pressing of his "Comes a Time" It was eventally caught and it was suggested that they just mix into the distribution of the "good" lps, the thousands of faulty ones. Neil declined and bought back the faulty ones at a cost of about $178,000 (1978 dollars, not today's nearly $900, 000). Good example to make your point about not skipping or not really listening to your test pressing.
Great informative video guys. No b**ls**t, just the facts!
great info, looking forward to my vinyl release! thank you guys!
You've made a convincing case for shorter sides, since near the middle the sound can tend to distort. What if a record is cut from the inside to the outside? Is it possible to get better sound quality by cutting this way?
Thanks for your insight.
This was standard practice in the days of Vitaphone sound films using disc, and of transcriptions of radio shows for later broadcast - they'd often alternate between sides or discs outside-in or inside-out so there was not a jarring change in volume. You can hear an example of not doing it this way on the widely-available WJSV "entire day of radio" recordings from 1939, during Arthur Godfrey's morning show he is talking and getting quieter with audible graininess & distortion, and right before the top of the hour they changed discs, the volume jumps dramatically & gets considerably clearer, as the velocity of the needle at the edge of the 16" disc is much faster, storing more information (modern equivalent might be the sound of a 44k WAV vs an 11k WAV of the same sound, it's speed as well as density); this happens early in the set, at the 7:00 am timecheck, so it's about 45-60 minutes into the recording. Man this is interesting stuff....
This was really informative, thanks! Great job guys.
Great video Gentlemen 👍👍
this was well appreciated thanks
I am only half-inclined to agree with both Josh and Adam. I have an Engelbert Humperdinck LP "Remember - I Love You", released on White Records in Germany around 1987. The entire LP runs for just 62'15", so an average 31'00" per side.
The engineers did their best to fit the information on an LP, and the sound was not distorted by the time the sides reached their end.
Excellent information!
Great Video! Thank you
very informative video love it
homes i make spiral cocaine lines in my records at the afters... it makes the record sound better and a little speedier...the right amount of C and the right sped up amount..
So 22 min on each side would be pushing it? :/
“Wings Greatest”, while being a great package, has a total run time of 54 minutes. This album is noisy as hell because of the low mastering volume, no matter which decade is was pressed in.
This video is 15 minutes long. In the future when they press youtube videos to vinyl, this one will sound loud and amazing!!
Never heard about the TED video disc or CED video disc?
Dude the guy on the left doesn't blink, and his poker face is kinda scary. But great video though!
A vinyl cutter is a nice thing, but a vinyl cutter on tube based ist the deal!!! Tubemic - tubemixer- tubetaperecorder multirecorder - tubemixer - tube limiter and other effects like tubeplatereverb - tubemastertaperecorder and after all go on tube based studio gear than wride it with a TUBE-VINYL-CUTTER!!!! ...yeahhhh 100% tube !!!!
Tube “effects” does not equal “100% tube”.
Please give me that vinylcutter 😬 ...will have XD
Will vinyl survive the 2020's?
YYC what does that mean? Will there be a mass extinction of turntables in the 2020s?
@@ivanasin1268 It's a fad that will most likely die in this decade, yes. It's a wonder that it even came back the way it did. However, sooner or later, most will realize how silly it was to hang on to something so archaic.
@@summersky77 I think you make a lot of assumptions and pretty much everything you're saying is based on short sighted personal conclusions. I don't believe records are archaic or silly, they're just a format that might be in fashion but that has also proven to remain reliable in time, and people have many individual reasons for preferring or not preferring them. Let's not assume that everyone buying records is just following a trend, we know nothing about people.
LPs will continue to exist until they develop something tangible for us to keep our music in and at the moment they haven't been able to do that.
@@ivanasin1268 You asked me a question, I gave you my opinion and now you're coming down on me for making assumptions? I haven't made anymore assumptions than you. Both of us are speculating at this point. I'm just saying I'd be surprised if vinyl will still be a thing in the 2030s. Can we just leave it at that? Thanks.
@@summersky77 The thing is, a lot of people listen to vinyl for its sound quality. Technically it's imperfect but to most vinyl enthusiasts it's more pleasing. There are people who treat it like a trend, and those are the people who have cheap little turntables with their built in phono stages.