Thanks for putting these drills up. I've been into shooting and carrying for several years, but despite confidence in my abilities, my training has been pretty haphazard at best. This series of videos has helped my shooting sessions to be more focused and productive. I have already ran the dot torture and 5x5 drills with a shot timer and it has been both a humbling and a motivating experience. I'm looking forward to incorporating the Bill drill as well. Also, I just ordered 1,000 rounds of the German MEN 9x19 ammunition from your website. Very fast shipping and very good ammo for the money. I will order again.
I finally have access to a great outdoor range where I can work from the holster. I appreciate this video series and look forward to trying out these drills.
We definitely appreciate this series of videos. All of these drills are simple in concept, easy to understand and explain when sharing with other shooters, and show measurable improvement once one is able to gain a bit more mastery. Many thanks!
I average 2.34 on this drill. I ran one in 2.08, the other day, but have yet to break the 2.0 second mark. Great drill!!! I run this one EVERY TIME I practice.
I plan on practicing this drill tomorrow, 10" gong, from 10 yards. My draw is around 1.5, and my splits are just under .25, so my goal is under 3.0. We shall see... I just recently started working with a timer, so I know those aren't great times. But, I plan on getting them down, without sacrificing accuracy. I will NEVER just throw my shots around, to get a better time. I think accuracy is more important than speed, especially in a self defense scenario.
I would really love to see your splits it would be nice to know on my drills if I need to work on draw time or my split times. And having times to compare against would be really cool
I thought appendix carry was pretty "mainstream" at this point(?), but some folks still seem to revel in downing it:) I say to each their own and carry the way that's comfortable and fluid to you, and if you don't know your weapon and are careless on the draw/reholster it'll catch up with you no matter HOW you carry. Good video, I like the cold format, and useful drill👍🏾
It's "mainstream" with internet gun people who watch gun videos and are members of forums. If you're doing either of those things, you're in the minority of gun owners.
opmike343 Fair point, I guess it's like anything else: who you know/hang out with and what you're used to can narrow your focus and make something seem more "normal" than it is(?)🤔
erozpl01 As a pretty slim dude myself, and as much as I like AIWB, I'd have to mostly agree-but I do my best to work around the limitations bc overall it's still what works best for me👍🏾
erozpl01 I agree, no use in getting the permit "just to have" if you're not going to get comfortable with actually carrying👍🏾 That's a good take also, I hadn't considered too heavily how low-key in comparison drawing from 3-4 is to AIWB...
I've tried it myself, but I can't pull it off with anything but my S&W Shield 9mm with a seven round mag. I also have a bit of a gut, so the grip has a tendency to dig uncomfortably into my stomach.
One of my favorite drills. Great video guys. I recently started getting my "Gabe White" on by carrying a 34. I'm curious what holster John is using for his. Dark Star?
I think my issue is I’m an analytical person... so I tend to shoot better when I first start... n tend to do worse as I start to overthink what I need to do for “improvement”. Anyone have a similar experience? Any advice?
Any chance you've found a weapon light that'll fit the px4 compact carry that has good candela? I ask because your one of the very few larger channels that actually have this pistol.
Thank you for the QUICK response. It would be instructive to those of us who do NOT appendix carry to see this drill from different carry positions, and to compare times, if there are any real differences....I understand it is ALL about practice, practice practice with any carry method...Just was surprised by appendix carry, which seems to be (I could be wrong) less common than others......Good drill and good video...Really appreciate the fact you don't rehearse it to make it look perfect :)
Mel Miller Appendix carry has gained a lot of popularity in the last 6-8 years or so, particularly among more dedicated shooters. With a closed-front concealment garment, it is slightly faster for most people than behind the hip. Quarter second at most, but probably a lot less when considering high-level shooters of equivalent skill. Against shooters carrying behind the hip with an open front garment like a vest or unbottoned shirt, I haven't noticed any significant speed difference versus appendix carry.
This is a bit of an aside, but I've found that my handgun conceals easier when carried appendix as its less likely to become exposed when getting in and out of a car, retrieving an item on a store self etc. Also, where the draw is concerned I've found appendix considerable more efficient in the winter time. There's less material to navigate when drawing from the 1 rather than the 4 o'clock. Just my experience.
i carry aiwb because it is comfortable. any other way seems to pull on my stomach and causes pain. family genetics i think. and a benefit of aiwb is being a thin build, i can conceal much better. having said that, yes you MUST be very careful.
I appendix carry a PX4 Compact as well, but not terribly satisfied with my holster. What’s the one you were using there, or do you have any recommendations?
I'm in total love with my Remora IWB Apendix. I added a belt clip to keep it more securely in place. I EDC a Taurus TCP 380 and at times my S&W M&P9c, both in Remora's...
Randy Cain teaches a lot of classes in Lakeland, FL. Highly recommended. You can find his schedule at guntactics.com. Tom Givens (rangemaster.com) also has some Florida class dates scheduled for 2018.
I haven't trained with him but Jared Reston might be someone you can look into training with. He's an LEO in Jacksonville. Another thumbs up on Tom Givens from here.
Lucky Gunner Ammo any particular preference on one over the other? I'm new and getting into competition shooting and want to purchase one to hone in the skills.
I don't know if there is a universally accepted par time for the Bill Drill, but it should definitely be more than 2 seconds from concealment. There are not many people who can do that consistently.
So he's using a handgun almost no one will carry? How about an Sig P365 or P365 XL? Sight radius is everything. I can shoot my CZ P10 F way better than my actual carry gun, a Walther PPS Classic.
Thanks for putting these drills up. I've been into shooting and carrying for several years, but despite confidence in my abilities, my training has been pretty haphazard at best. This series of videos has helped my shooting sessions to be more focused and productive. I have already ran the dot torture and 5x5 drills with a shot timer and it has been both a humbling and a motivating experience. I'm looking forward to incorporating the Bill drill as well.
Also, I just ordered 1,000 rounds of the German MEN 9x19 ammunition from your website. Very fast shipping and very good ammo for the money. I will order again.
I like this series !
Very helpful!
Interesting concept on "cold performance". Thanks guys
Not sure how you guys don’t have millions of views. Very much appreciate the content
I finally have access to a great outdoor range where I can work from the holster. I appreciate this video series and look forward to trying out these drills.
We definitely appreciate this series of videos. All of these drills are simple in concept, easy to understand and explain when sharing with other shooters, and show measurable improvement once one is able to gain a bit more mastery. Many thanks!
I tried a Bill Drill with my longbow at the archery range last week. 6 arrows on target in 45 seconds. Guess I have some work to do.
Well broken down, short, sweet, informative video. Excellent.
Great series. I really like the No Practice Runs, No Reshoots, etc. But I’d love to see what Manny could do😂.
Great stuff as always. I've been playing with the PX4 for a few months myself and I really like it. I really need to save up for a Compact Carry.
I average 2.34 on this drill. I ran one in 2.08, the other day, but have yet to break the 2.0 second mark. Great drill!!! I run this one EVERY TIME I practice.
This is a good warm up drill before doing any accuracy drill like dot or bulls eye torture.
I plan on practicing this drill tomorrow, 10" gong, from 10 yards. My draw is around 1.5, and my splits are just under .25, so my goal is under 3.0. We shall see... I just recently started working with a timer, so I know those aren't great times. But, I plan on getting them down, without sacrificing accuracy. I will NEVER just throw my shots around, to get a better time. I think accuracy is more important than speed, especially in a self defense scenario.
I would really love to see your splits it would be nice to know on my drills if I need to work on draw time or my split times. And having times to compare against would be really cool
I thought appendix carry was pretty "mainstream" at this point(?), but some folks still seem to revel in downing it:) I say to each their own and carry the way that's comfortable and fluid to you, and if you don't know your weapon and are careless on the draw/reholster it'll catch up with you no matter HOW you carry. Good video, I like the cold format, and useful drill👍🏾
It's "mainstream" with internet gun people who watch gun videos and are members of forums. If you're doing either of those things, you're in the minority of gun owners.
opmike343 Fair point, I guess it's like anything else: who you know/hang out with and what you're used to can narrow your focus and make something seem more "normal" than it is(?)🤔
erozpl01 As a pretty slim dude myself, and as much as I like AIWB, I'd have to mostly agree-but I do my best to work around the limitations bc overall it's still what works best for me👍🏾
erozpl01 I agree, no use in getting the permit "just to have" if you're not going to get comfortable with actually carrying👍🏾 That's a good take also, I hadn't considered too heavily how low-key in comparison drawing from 3-4 is to AIWB...
I've tried it myself, but I can't pull it off with anything but my S&W Shield 9mm with a seven round mag. I also have a bit of a gut, so the grip has a tendency to dig uncomfortably into my stomach.
Now that drill is simple but very effective.
Keep these coming
I will do this next time at the range, good information. Thanks. Guess I should have been doing this before sense my is Billy, Billy drill.
Don't be so hard on yourself. You actually did pretty good for a newer shooter. Great video! Thanks
james cosgriff lol, who said I'm a newer shooter?
Lucky Gunner Ammo Sorry, I thought you said that at the beginning. I know better now that I've been looking through your videos! Sorry brother!
efred22 Check again. I left a very thorough reply to your question.
Thank you! Yes!
Very good conception, I think
One of my favorite drills. Great video guys. I recently started getting my "Gabe White" on by carrying a 34. I'm curious what holster John is using for his. Dark Star?
Dark Star Gear, yes.
GREAT DRILL
Thanks. Stay safe.
I think my issue is I’m an analytical person... so I tend to shoot better when I first start... n tend to do worse as I start to overthink what I need to do for “improvement”. Anyone have a similar experience? Any advice?
Nice guys! Btw, if I may, what holster is John using?
nice drill ... you're shootng at what distance?
It would be a good drill if your range allows it . Thank you for sharing this video !
Any chance you've found a weapon light that'll fit the px4 compact carry that has good candela? I ask because your one of the very few larger channels that actually have this pistol.
Not sure. I mostly rely on handheld lights, especially for carry guns, so I haven't really looked into it.
If you can't draw at the range how could you still try to incorporate the bill drill?
For tracking improvement over time, should I add a time penalty for dropped shots or just record the number of misses?
That's simple enough to practice on, especially for older slow guys like me.
Any ammo specials for us poor CA residents? We're about to have that stupid ammo limit law and I know a bunch of us are looking for bulk ammo deals.
Dc2 that is ridiculous
Where's Episode 2? You have Episodes 1-12 but no Episode 2
good stuff, soon as I get my rap back from ruger, I will try it.
Curious if both of you "appendix carry" (what it looks like in the video) every day carry?
Yes, we do.
Thank you for the QUICK response. It would be instructive to those of us who do NOT appendix carry to see this drill from different carry positions, and to compare times, if there are any real differences....I understand it is ALL about practice, practice practice with any carry method...Just was surprised by appendix carry, which seems to be (I could be wrong) less common than others......Good drill and good video...Really appreciate the fact you don't rehearse it to make it look perfect :)
Mel Miller Appendix carry has gained a lot of popularity in the last 6-8 years or so, particularly among more dedicated shooters. With a closed-front concealment garment, it is slightly faster for most people than behind the hip. Quarter second at most, but probably a lot less when considering high-level shooters of equivalent skill. Against shooters carrying behind the hip with an open front garment like a vest or unbottoned shirt, I haven't noticed any significant speed difference versus appendix carry.
This is a bit of an aside, but I've found that my handgun conceals easier when carried appendix as its less likely to become exposed when getting in and out of a car, retrieving an item on a store self etc. Also, where the draw is concerned I've found appendix considerable more efficient in the winter time. There's less material to navigate when drawing from the 1 rather than the 4 o'clock. Just my experience.
i carry aiwb because it is comfortable. any other way seems to pull on my stomach and causes pain. family genetics i think. and a benefit of aiwb is being a thin build, i can conceal much better. having said that, yes you MUST be very careful.
I appendix carry a PX4 Compact as well, but not terribly satisfied with my holster. What’s the one you were using there, or do you have any recommendations?
I'm using the JM Custom Kydex AIWB Wingclaw 2.0. Great holster.
I'm in total love with my Remora IWB Apendix. I added a belt clip to keep it more securely in place. I EDC a Taurus TCP 380 and at times my S&W M&P9c, both in Remora's...
Can you recommend an good trainer in the Jacksonville / Orlando / or North Florida area? Thanks
Randy Cain teaches a lot of classes in Lakeland, FL. Highly recommended. You can find his schedule at guntactics.com. Tom Givens (rangemaster.com) also has some Florida class dates scheduled for 2018.
I haven't trained with him but Jared Reston might be someone you can look into training with. He's an LEO in Jacksonville. Another thumbs up on Tom Givens from here.
Great
What shot timer do you recommend best for these types of drills?
+Jadiel Any of the commercial timers are fine. Pocket Pro, PACT, or CED 7000.
Lucky Gunner Ammo any particular preference on one over the other? I'm new and getting into competition shooting and want to purchase one to hone in the skills.
+Jadiel Pocket Pro II is good and durable. CED 7000 has more features and is much smaller, but they tend to break more often.
So hnmm.... Err.. Well, why there is an A, a C and a D on the target but not the B?
I'd like to see this with with hands up
isn't the par time 2 seconds?
I don't know if there is a universally accepted par time for the Bill Drill, but it should definitely be more than 2 seconds from concealment. There are not many people who can do that consistently.
DRILL BILL!...... wait I mean. ugh
So he's using a handgun almost no one will carry? How about an Sig P365 or P365 XL? Sight radius is everything. I can shoot my CZ P10 F way better than my actual carry gun, a Walther PPS Classic.
Revolvers lose
Great content shows how u may really be shooting when coming out of the holster for real. Always do when i can lol