What's The Deal With High Pivot Suspension? Your Questions Answered!
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2020
- High pivot mountain bikes seem to be taking the world by storm. But why are they so great? In this video, I answer your questions and give you all the details!
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Well I don't even know what a normal full-suspension feels like sooooo 🤣
Rent a fully and have fun then.
Older downhill bikes like early 2000 bike are sold pretty cheap as well
I have a nice hardtail, I'll upgrade one day but I'm doing fine for now :)
I dont even know what suspension feels like on a bike
@@sniperdud3323 i feel you bro, until like 3 weeks ago that was also me
Haha! A lot of Eric and Yuka in front of the camera this week. Nice change of pace! I still watch despite lack of POV, Eric, so don't rush your healing process just to try and get video content. I'm healing from a clavicle break myself, so let's take the time to heal right. BTW, I noticed last time you seemed a little frustrated about the pace of healing. What is your age and do you think that is a factor in healing time? I am 54 and definitely healing more slowly than I used to.
I imagine with the high pivot it's more forgiving of casing as the wheel moves up and back rather than up and being forced forward.
Yeah
100%. It's very forgiving if you mess up.
Yeah and pedal feedback is virtually nonexistent..
not exactly. You see this suspension is an equivalent that in automotive industry is called trailing arm. A trailing arm doesn't care of up and forward or up and backwards in terms of suspension plushness and comfort. The only thing that matters, is where the main pivot is. If it is in the front of the wheel axle, then it absolutely does not make any difference if the wheel extends to the back or compresses to the front. Absolutely no difference in plushness what so ever.
I see a mistake in the answers above. If the wheel travels up and backwards , the wheel is extending, there for pedal kickback is much more than it is with moving up and forward. This is because when the wheel extends, it pulls the chain with it, so pedal kickback happens. If it moves forward, closer to the chainring, it doesn't pull the chain with it, thus resulting in no pedal kickback. This old basic single pivot design bike we see in this video, is the proof of that. It needs an extra pulley to prevent pedal kickback because it is extending the wheel (up and backwards). And another thing. Pedal kickback only occurs to a stationary bike , so...only for expedition purposes as you realise, a moving bike doesn't suffer from this imaginery problem that marketing is trying to put down our throats by force.
@@user-du6op6qx5s I would argue that pedal kickback isnt so much a thing as limiting the suspension action when you're standing on the pedals keeping them level.
I gotta say, I've been growing to really enjoy your channel. Great video - keep it up, and hope you heal soon!
Thanks for taking the time to answer some questions about high pivot. I know some of those where questions I had about the platform and how it would work.
it works exactly how it worked in the past. just like a single pivot ever worked.
Great video Eric, I enjoy videos like this....very informative. Heal up!
Appreciate the review - hope you are healing up well!
Yeeewwww! I made it into the questions!! I’ve been drooling over a Druid frame in the Cosmic Eggplant to build up. Such an amazing looking bike and everyone who rides them just gushes over the performance.
Only reason why I've not got one was nowhere had stock so ended up with an offering
they gush just to self justify the price they paid for it for getting fooled by marketing youtubers. After all , it is a single pivot bike. How much of a gushing you think can someone give for it?
@@user-du6op6qx5s 🤣🤣
I absolutely love my Druid, sickest bike👊🏻. Hope you re back on the trails soon!
I have been riding a type of high pivot bike for over 10 years . Canfield Jedi. I am surprised that it took so long for other companies to catch on.
Hope the wrist is healing up well. Great video by the way.
Love you posted at the same time as Yuka did
Awesome video! We really do have so many great choices now a days that it can be a little tough when your picking out a new bike. The only downside I see so far with the high pivot system is with having to buy two chains, other then that the bike sounds like it rides really well.
Eric: talking about his 130mm travel
Me:cries in 80mm travel
I bought used bike 2017 gt sensor carbon expert with fox 34, 140 mm of travel and it was 1700€.
I have it for like 1 year and it works perfectly. So i think you can save your money and buy used bike.
72mm of REAR travel on mine :C
I have a hardtail, LMAOOO
@@DylanDavidVindasLopez what bike?
@@oogilyboogily9595 its a Huffy Elite TR-S 940 from 2016
Great video Eric! I actually contemplated getting a Druid after waiting 6 months in for my V2 Ripmo. I think they're beautiful bikes! 9.5 moths later I have my Ripmo, it was worth the wait! I would like to demo a Druid some day though. As for Nobl wheels.........oh yea, I love my Noble 36 with Chris King hubs, so glad I pulled the trigger on them even though my wife said "doesn't your new bike come with wheels???" Yes it does dear, don't worry about it. LOL - CHEERS!
probably the simplest explanation of a high pivot system on a bike, thank you
Cool, I feel the same way about my Santa Cruz 😃. Great video
Back in the early 90s Cannondale made a full suspension frame. It was called the EST (Elevated suspension Technology). It looked very much like this frame....
Thank goodness you dropped sr as a sponsor . Every time you hit a bump the suspension would make lots of noise.
lol yep, "Toogy Howser MTB" is still a sponser for them and his comment section is beautiful
Hey thanks for answering my question man!
Thanks for asking!
First, LOVE your RAW videos... I am interest in Onix hubs. Are they as good are they say. I like the silent ride, listening to your tires roll over leaves, rocks, dirt... What do you think? One more thing, you and your wife should come to Puerto Rico and ride. 365 days of riding!!! Thanks for the amazing videos...
Heal well!
Good information. Thank you 🙏
thanks for the info!
Pretty rad design bike!! Even the color is sick🤩🤘🏻😃😃
ive had my eye on the druid for a while now, the problem is that i saw that prototype and dont want to buy a 130mm travel druid for them to then bring out a bigger one afterwards, so imma hold out until they eventually release the bigger travel. hopefully soon.
Yeah im to broke to afford one
Yea check out Lewis Buchanan on UA-cam he’s got some good videos riding a bigger travel version. No details on it yet though
@@James-dn1hu yeah I actually live in the same area as Lewis but haven't caught him on his big travel one yet
The new frame should be out in January [theoretically]. Slacker front end, ~155mm travel, designed around 170-180mm fork travel.
Same, almost pulled the trigger and seen the video of the prototype so I’m holding off.
Great video. Subbed.
I've never seen anything like it and I want it now
really? you haven't seen a single pivot ever before?
I had GT Force. It has mainly high pivot. It's great. It just has steep head angle for nowdays.
Have you seen Lewis Buchanan’s channel? He’s racing on the Druid and is an absolute beast on it. He smashed Fort Williams at full race pace and it was nuts!
I must admit, I’m just now realizing I’ve never seen his face before as it’s always POV riding footage from his perspective
Love ur vids.
I saw a guy with a Druid at my local mtb park and I asked him if you had an influence on him getting that bike and he said that he watched some of your videos and made the decision to get it off of your experience
That's awesome, I hope he's enjoying it!
Hi Eric, firstly how close are you to be able to getting out riding with Yuka again ! Great question & Answer vid ! I strongly think that the druid has a very big chance of being my next bike 👍🤙🚵🌲🌲🚵🌲🌲
I was so confused when I saw the release of the druid.
Lol same on my new bike I can climb with the shock in descend mode.
Well there's only pedal bob when I'm in a low gear , I think that's just because I'm bouncing around when my cadence is too high.
Suspension geometry is really important.
Both Polygon, 1 pedal bobs so much I lock it out on flat ground sometimes , I have to climb in 1st to 3rd gear. The other I can leave in descend mode and climb in 8th to 11th.
Pedal bob is probably the biggest issue for me actually, because I use my bike for transportation as well.
Hey sweet vid! I love the druid design, and was curious how tall you are, what size frame you have, and what size dropper? Im in between a L and an XL and curious how you have yours set up!
when you shave you look so much like Tomáš Slavík, i was so confused when you walked into frame
These look so interesting and well made however I notice these for sale on FB pages a lot recently. Given their respective rarity that's noteable and maybe they're not working for some people. I'd love to try one though.
Agreed. I'd have a tough time committing to such a radical bike change without a test ride. Hopefully once this COVID thing is over I'll head to Vancouver Island and see if I get demo one. Heck, even with more normal looking bikes I would want to demo one before dropping all that money on a new one.
In terms of the 2 chains you can use just 1 ebike chain. They are the same you just get 136 links instead of a 112 links on a standard chain.
Do you have the vespers or onyx originals? Im currently building a druid over the winter and plan to run nobl wheels with onux hubs but nobl themselves kinda recommended going hydra over vesper as the vesper has been finnicky since it came out. I would prefer a quieter hub so hopefully you can shed some light on the vespers if you have them. Thanks! Love the vids!
Ive ridden the AOS from GT, which is a high-ish pivot....i think it overperforms. Nice choice of bike man!
I do definitely think you would like the higher travel bike that forbidden is making but I think you should get the higher travel bike next year and keep your bike your riding now for lighter trail rides
São ótimos seus vídeos, 🇧🇷.
What kind of bike frame are you riding in this video and would you recommend this for a 5’4” long arms woman? And will the bike climb technical? I live in Northwest Arkansas Eureka Springs lotta technical uphill and then fun downhill
Nice Monster! Maybe testing at Hungary? :)
God bless you sir.
The new norco looks sick
8:00 Thanks for spoiling next Yuka's video, LOL
Nice Bike!!
Still riding my 2007 Trek Session 10.
How do you guys judge speed for gap jumps? I've just built a 5 foot double and I'm questioning my speed. I've hit bigger jumps, but none that I've built.
thx for the video, now i know what´s the thing with high pivot. Could you speak up a bit more clearly for the next Q&A?
At 5:34 you can see where the rear triangle has rubbed against the front triangle. That isn't good.
Really keen eyes there. Well spotted. I'd be pissed at that happening on a frame. Indicates a fair amount of lateral play.
Eric would it make the chain fall off more like when the thing to go with was 3by7
As with the Commencal HP system more parts equals more problems.
Work really well when new but very expensive when things go wrong, which they will.
Hi can you run the bike without the ziggy link with 650b back and front ?
Hi pivot bikes have been around since the 90's. Its not a new design. Brooklyn Machine Works and the off shoot Superco then Zeroed, and now Comencal and Norco DH versions . I would argue to say it was brought to attention by Nicholas Voulouz and his suspension preferences.
I'm surprised that nobody is talking about the Balfa BB7
Oh yeah totally forgot about that bad boy as well!
you are the best
Hi.Yuka...I really enjoyed your video you sounded so funny when you mentioned your bottom. ..Haha...Your bottom is safe now from that nasty big 29" tyre...Your riding skills are to be admired and you look so different without a helmet. ..Nice bike you have much better now for your bottom and all those steep trails...Please do another video for us you are a way cool chic...God bless.🙋 you guys....
You should come over to Ontario and ride Blue Mountain, when your better of course
Hopefully itll be open next year, that is a very gnarly place
Any good recommendations for a bike for like $400-$500 I just want a pretty nice bike to maybe do some mountain biking but I’m not taking it serious I just want a good reliable bike. And maybe if there is any good ones for like $200-300
I wonder what it feels like on a full suspension. I never had a full suspension
Amazing
A rear travel curve like this is also possible with a 4-link design.
that is how good the single pivot was in the first place
"Heal!" 😏
I think it looks cool
I have a question
How is the shifting cause the upper pulley angles the top part of the chain does it make shifting weird
it doesn't shift right. lots of grinding through the chain.
it's real nice
I would love this bike if it had a bit more suspension
Surprised you guys didn't hook up with Norco for the Aurum HSP
So yes you need more things to worry about need 1 and half chain to replace the old one and one more chianring to clean and replace. For shure this bike don't pedal well on longer climbs much more friction because more chain and one more chainring, the thing that make me ask why any big brand do this concept?
Is the suspension active during braking?
i like hard tails but this is so nice
High Pivot is just a high single pivot so basically a simple design . Longer chain and an extra cog so an extra set of bearings or bearing .
Man this bike is clean
Why do you have a fox shock paired with a RockShox fork?
That new bike is the Drednought I think
Nice
I'm sure it's safe, but that idler pulley gives me the creeps...like I'm going to rips some skin off the inside of my right calf during some funky move in a tech section.
Is wish I could ride a high pivot bike😭😭😭😭but nice video🔥
Where we can purchase. Interesting and curiosity.
Really the only two negatives about hp bikes is the high anti-rise and the lengthening wheelbase
How does high pivot compare to other multi-pivot suspension designs? My understanding is that DW-Link is intended to have a similar wheel path to what you describe for high pivot.
it is a single pivot. compare any high single pivot with dw-link and you'll have your answer. there are a lot of bike out there with this old design.
i nosed case a 5 meter gap jump (1 of my biggest gaps ) last week and cracked my helmet in 3 places
I know you broke your rear wheel on Crazy Merry in Castlegar...
Does the suspension push or pull?
Hey Eric I was wondering what bike I should get.I want the Santa Cruz 5010 and then I also want the Forbidden Druid but Idk what one I should get
Druid all the way
@@aidenmtb5784 u should sub
Looks like the derailleur does a heap of work ,every time the bike compresses the derailleur moves forward i bet the clutch wont last long.
If I was to get a druid xt what size should I get I'm 5'4 and growing quick. What size should I get.
Go to your bike shop, test fit/ride
Hey I was wondering if you could do a video about the best mountain bike riding spots in British Columbia? Or maybe reply to this comment with your favorite spots?
I'd say Rossland and Squamish are probably top riding spots, unless you're a park junky.
@@fillfreakin2245 thanks!
Can you bottom out the bottom bracket?
The trek remedy is where it’s at
wait, who's the shorthaired clean shaven dude talking to me on BCPOV's channel?
What hub do you use? Or where can I find it. I love the sound
Onyx vesper. It has no sound
doesn't it help to pedal because of the extra roller?
When will you get back making that trail ???
Its too bad amazing bikes like that are impossible to get in Australia. At least, impossible to get for a price that doesnt make you cry.
Did you film this in Squamish up at diamond head?
I want to get in to mountain biking but there is no trails around me