I'm just curious, if the people posting derogatory comments here are teachers of this art or just students? it doesn't seem to speak very highly of a teacher or master to speak that way to anyone. If you're right then you know you are and don't have to wright silly comments, good luck to all :D
jet0577 A practitioner of any martial art benefits from doing proper pushups. Pushups must be important or they wouldn't even be in a Taekwondo workout or warm up in the first place. The very fact that they are doing pushups is good enough reason to do them correctly instead of in a manner that does not even benefit you worth the time you spent doing them.
we are using poomsae, self defense, one step sparring and board breaking techniques for grading. On top of that we learn Korean words (lower belt levels) and write essays senior belts) Tests are intense and solid. Grandmaster is Korean. There IS a difference.
As a legitimate TKD 5th dan and someone who has done extensive research on the roots, early development, and kwans that formed TKD I can can tell you with 100% certainty that the only thing unique about TKD is Olympic style fighting. The early kwan leaders where all Karate black belts. A few had done some cross training in Chuan Fa and Jidokwan was influenced greatly by boxing's methods (emphasis on fighting, NOT pretend fighting/poomsae). Watch a Shotokan kata and you will see.
No it is actually "trigger-response" training, or maybe you could call it "small range action-reaction" training. It trains the internal "flick" timer in your body and builds the "cold start to super fast" reaction that is fundamental to most asian martial arts. Western martial arts do not have this due to a focus on "winding up" or "draw back" before a strike. You should try doing it. The smaller the bounce range and the faster the tempo, the harder it will be.
The Kukkiwon. I visited Korea this summer. Beautiful country. I wasn't very impressedc with the Kukkiwon though. Wasn;t as spectacular or big as u would first think!
I'm sorry sir, but i can't agree with you. Those techiniques are impressive and very usefull and unexpected on a real fight. Flying and spin kicks hit very hard.
This is exactly the point: the Poomsae (or the ITF Tuls) are the connection of Taekwondo with their past and history. Doesn't matter if it came from Karate or Taekkyon, or even some Kung Fu style (as i've heard - doesn't ask, i can't remember where). Wich means, that Poomsae are not for softies, but, for those who appreciate this Martial connection. Olympic Fight Style isn't a fight style. It's a game about touch the oponent with feet.
Yea, they're doing it relaxed. The tripble board breaks, they're going half power and speed. The idea is if you can so the skill and hit the targets while relaxed, breaking the boards during demos will be easy when you're trying.
Wow you're an idiot. yes, sucky training half assed ALWAYS makes you better at the real thing. Uh huh, that has always worked for all martial artists. You are extremely ignorant.
MaharlikaAWA lol...I've only been doing taekwondo for 25 years...all over the world. I guess I have no idea what I'm talking about. They are motion training. Yawn. You are completely wrong and you don't know it. Funny.how sure of yourself you are. fail
MaharlikaAWA lol..you think that target kicking was their hardest and fastest. lolz. They are doing range of motion training. That's the korean national demonstration team. Just look at a video when they are actually doing a demonstration to see the difference. Do your research doofus.
A lot of these comments I'm reading is disgraceful. If any of you are martial artist then you would not be speaking about anyone else in the martial arts community like this. If you see something that is wrong with what is being done then say it with respect and be humble about it. There is absolutely no damn need to be talking about other martial artist in such a way. Yes the push ups were not the best but you don't tear them down because of it which I noticed is the most popular and just about the only thing that is being ridiculed. A lot of you in these comments need to work on your mental and spiritual development.
Acctually, The poomsae are the all the identity of Taekwondo and his bond with his martial legacy, who is almost forgot in the present days for those who think that it resumes on competion and ap-dolyo tchagui.
By the way, my master (also a 5th Dan Grade, with near 40 years of Taekwondo) wrote an article about the "Taekwondo's Mutilation". I tried to put the link here, but the UA-cam doesn't allowed me. If you want, you can add me on FB. crsjunior is my user name and then i'll send you the link. It would be a pleasure!
Sir, i guess you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that Poomsae or Hyung are effective at a real fight! (Gzuz! They are effective like dancing!) I'm sorry if you understood that. (I also guess that you can see my poor english.) But that your argument about that they are for "softies", this are invalid. I agree with that they are for promotion tests and show. But i have to say that they give more "depth" to a Martial Art/Sport that uses only one, or two, kicks.
They are pretty. But look at Judo and Jiu Jitsu. Judo only does kata for dan grades and it is with a partner using movements found in competitive Judo. Jiu Jitsu is EXTREMELY deep and technical and there is no kata. My problem with poomsae is that some school use this is the sole method of grading people. Then you see black belts that can't do proper back kick, have no foot work/understanding of distance, cannot take a kick, and don't know how to truly hit someone.
that's actually not true, breathing is necessary for more strength and power in technique. while yelling (kiai) is also beneficial it does about the same as normal breathing. so it's not as pertinent to what they are doing.
Punching from your hip, standing straight on, reaching to block strikes, etc are not applicable to a sport or street context. After 21 years of practice and usage in the ring and street, I am 100% confident in saying that poomsae are good only for show and acquiring a new dan grade.
What were those warm ups for? Doing something, even a jumping jack, wrong serves no purpose. Do it well with full effort or just dont do it. Even their kick warm ups were sloppy and lazy compared to later on in the vid. So what was the point?
I would have to disagree that patterns, breaking and one step are useless. I am from ITF. There is no Martial art without techniques...its all well and good to practice various techniques in a standing position...but then you can only perform techniques in a standing position..patterns are about developing muscles, techniques, body shifting etc etc etc. Nothing in training is useless. Even observing a class for an hour should be taken as good training time.
Some impressive kicking except for the power. even the instructor could not do pushups properly and he didn't once help anybody with their technique or corrected anyone just showed them once and then did his own thing. I hope your student shared how banal the class was.
LOL, maybe. Other argument would be that is by yelling like that somehow can concentrate strength and kick more powerful just as how bruce lee yell every time he kicks or punches. but typing it out like that seem boring and nonsense for some people.
In my humble opinion- I feel TKD should follow Judo's example. Get rid of the poomsae at the colour belt level so that students can learn solid basics, footwork, striking, and how to absorb a shot. Many schools have set body pad drills and scenario drills in place in aid in grading. These are much more practical than taegueks.
Come on man.., try to do their push up and feel it...this kind of push up is different than a common push up. like RockeeterCody said. To be honest, if a tkd guy have a mindset of using tkd as a self defense, this kind of training is ineffective. I dont understand why ppl keep arguing about the weakness, and the strength of TKD. I personally see current TKD as a sport, just like soccer, basketball etc. U dont want to see ppl die in a pool of blood during Olympic Games, Do u?
has anyone ever been to Korea talking about push ups. tell them to take shirt off bet the have better six pack and arms then 90% of everyone on here besides me. note I do taekwondo do and seen these guys up close and personal. most
A lot of these people do not know how to hold pads properly. The way they are holding them causes people to hurt their foot on the spine of the kicking paddle. Also a lot of these people have kind of sucky technique, but then they have really cool 720 spin kicks. I find that interesting. Also, their jab punches were utterly pathetic. but there were a few very good kicks I saw and that was nice.
lolz..these are the korean tigers...they aren't even trying. the guy doing the poomse in the middle was just memorizing, wasn't doing full power. The 540s, not 720s are not even being done with total commitment, it's relaxed target practice...and yes they are holding the pads right (stitches out)...and you shouldn't be able to hurt your heel on the spine of a kicking paddle because it's stitched leather. Only if you hit it straight on with roundhouse kick full power with the top of your foot, it hurts a little. Their technique is not sucky, it's technically extremely good and they're going 50%...sorry but you're basically wrong all around and don't have an eye for taekwondo. I take it by your profile picture that you're ATA or something because you have a black uniform, so no offense but I don't expect you to really know about WTF techiniques
proconsulaugustus No, they are not the Korean Tigers. And no they are not holding the pads correctly, and if you believe it is a matter of opinion, then okay, they are not holding them the most effective way for such kicking. You should never once hurt your heel on stitched leather when they hold them right. And even when I do my poomsae half speed or memorizing I have way better technique than that guy. He sucks. And you are an idiot if you think my picture is a black uniform or that I am ATA. I am Kukkiwon jackass. And proud of it. Don't you EVER associate me with the ATA!!! How dare you! Flying kicks mean nothing anyway! I know more about WTF techniques than you and your entire dojang probably do buy the way you are talking.
Overall, despite their "relaxed" I mean less than quality technique on many issues, while good technique on a few spin and flying kicks during training I think it was an okay video to watch and see people in the Kukkiwon training.
they seem weak when i look at their push ups and sit ups. the only thing they do is to execute some fance kicks and choreographies. i'm a bit disappointed.
I don't understand what is Korean taekowndo? is there other countries who found taekwondo? In our country it's a nice media of making money, by cheat poeple.
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all of you pointing out the bad pushups. They still kick better than all of you combined.
Their muscles training, bad as f....
But when they perform kicks and jumps, we get blind
Yeah. Terrible push-ups, GREAT kicks.
the fact that almost all of them are capable to perform those kicks are amazing
I am from WTF and I agree with everything you have said. MMA and movies have made everyone an expert.
the 1st part are just their warm up... amazing, they can warmed up just in a short time... i think i can apply this fast pacing practice in my class.
I'm just curious, if the people posting derogatory comments here are teachers of this art or just students? it doesn't seem to speak very highly of a teacher or master to speak that way to anyone. If you're right then you know you are and don't have to wright silly comments, good luck to all :D
and not a single proper pushup was done that day.
True. But, It's a different way of training. They were doing those push-ups to warm-up, not to increase upper body strength. There is a difference.
+Capt Honorpants There was one guy doing good, all the way down, and all the way up pushups. He should should have been leading the push up part.
+Capt Honorpants As a TKD practician, push ups don't do jack for the amount of kicking we do.
+Samanosuke1138 - isn't that the truth
jet0577 A practitioner of any martial art benefits from doing proper pushups. Pushups must be important or they wouldn't even be in a Taekwondo workout or warm up in the first place. The very fact that they are doing pushups is good enough reason to do them correctly instead of in a manner that does not even benefit you worth the time you spent doing them.
Funny and entertaining at the same time :D
we are using poomsae, self defense, one step sparring and board breaking techniques for grading. On top of that we learn Korean words (lower belt levels) and write essays senior belts) Tests are intense and solid. Grandmaster is Korean. There IS a difference.
As a legitimate TKD 5th dan and someone who has done extensive research on the roots, early development, and kwans that formed TKD I can can tell you with 100% certainty that the only thing unique about TKD is Olympic style fighting.
The early kwan leaders where all Karate black belts. A few had done some cross training in Chuan Fa and Jidokwan was influenced greatly by boxing's methods (emphasis on fighting, NOT pretend fighting/poomsae). Watch a Shotokan kata and you will see.
amazing 540 kicks!!! jaw-dropping stuff...
No it is actually "trigger-response" training, or maybe you could call it "small range action-reaction" training.
It trains the internal "flick" timer in your body and builds the "cold start to super fast" reaction that is fundamental to most asian martial arts. Western martial arts do not have this due to a focus on "winding up" or "draw back" before a strike.
You should try doing it. The smaller the bounce range and the faster the tempo, the harder it will be.
Super works
The Kukkiwon. I visited Korea this summer. Beautiful country. I wasn't very impressedc with the Kukkiwon though. Wasn;t as spectacular or big as u would first think!
I'm sorry sir, but i can't agree with you. Those techiniques are impressive and very usefull and unexpected on a real fight.
Flying and spin kicks hit very hard.
That's what patterns are for - to learn solid basics.
This is exactly the point: the Poomsae (or the ITF Tuls) are the connection of Taekwondo with their past and history. Doesn't matter if it came from Karate or Taekkyon, or even some Kung Fu style (as i've heard - doesn't ask, i can't remember where).
Wich means, that Poomsae are not for softies, but, for those who appreciate this Martial connection.
Olympic Fight Style isn't a fight style. It's a game about touch the oponent with feet.
Yea, they're doing it relaxed. The tripble board breaks, they're going half power and speed. The idea is if you can so the skill and hit the targets while relaxed, breaking the boards during demos will be easy when you're trying.
Wow you're an idiot. yes, sucky training half assed ALWAYS makes you better at the real thing. Uh huh, that has always worked for all martial artists. You are extremely ignorant.
MaharlikaAWA lol...I've only been doing taekwondo for 25 years...all over the world. I guess I have no idea what I'm talking about. They are motion training. Yawn. You are completely wrong and you don't know it. Funny.how sure of yourself you are. fail
MaharlikaAWA lol..you think that target kicking was their hardest and fastest. lolz. They are doing range of motion training. That's the korean national demonstration team. Just look at a video when they are actually doing a demonstration to see the difference. Do your research doofus.
proconsulaugustus No its not....and you are the doofus,
and yes, that's the Kukkiwon demo team you clown. lolz
How's the tkd cardio conditioning compared to muay thai?
@GrandMasterMinChoi one question is your gym supposed to be a tournament place or is your gym is where you usually practice?!.
these guys certainly are good at making a ton of noise, idk about the quality of everything else they are doing tho.
A lot of these comments I'm reading is disgraceful. If any of you are martial artist then you would not be speaking about anyone else in the martial arts community like this. If you see something that is wrong with what is being done then say it with respect and be humble about it. There is absolutely no damn need to be talking about other martial artist in such a way. Yes the push ups were not the best but you don't tear them down because of it which I noticed is the most popular and just about the only thing that is being ridiculed. A lot of you in these comments need to work on your mental and spiritual development.
there was one guy on the left who did them slower, he was close to a real push up :-/
I love taekwondo 🥋🥋🥋
Acctually, The poomsae are the all the identity of Taekwondo and his bond with his martial legacy, who is almost forgot in the present days for those who think that it resumes on competion and ap-dolyo tchagui.
Great drill work...and I want the height of the kicks that little girl in the front is doing. :-)
Omg lmfao their pushups
LMAO EXACTLY LIKE WTF😹😹😹😂😂😂😂
I'd love to train with them one day
what forms that guy doing at the end? like 7:24 ish
They're class is so big...and they're all black belts Oo Holy crap I have a long way to go....I can't wait
I guess ! now
You're a black belt..
LOL the exercises at the beginning remind me of that video of the middle eastern army guys failing at jumping jacks.
By the way, my master (also a 5th Dan Grade, with near 40 years of Taekwondo) wrote an article about the "Taekwondo's Mutilation".
I tried to put the link here, but the UA-cam doesn't allowed me. If you want, you can add me on FB. crsjunior is my user name and then i'll send you the link. It would be a pleasure!
Were those push ups?
This is the Kukkiwon demonstration team just going through their routine on a Sunday morning.I was there too.
Wow. That form is executed almost in unison
this is how you warm up for kicking, it like throwing the ball and playing catch in baseball
I love taekwondo ❤️
Where is u r academy
Those pushups are just too warm the shoulders up, full range of motion while still not stretched out can cause tears
are there cheap but good quality training TKD schools in south korea? thanks for the reply :)
QUE BIEN ENTRENAN LOS DE LA KUKKIWON...
How long was the class?
Bad ass , lot of talent in that room.
Eh
i think tkd fighters who fight in real matches wouldn't train like that. i think this is a demonstration group.
Lol, nice to know it’s not that I’m bad at teaching pushups, it’s just that people everywhere suck at pushups 😂
give some credit, they are doing different exercises, it seems their push ups are focusing more on endurance more than strength
They don't do push-ups right
They are doing it right but even better. They are putting tension and always using energy by not going all the way up or down
Sir, i guess you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that Poomsae or Hyung are effective at a real fight! (Gzuz! They are effective like dancing!) I'm sorry if you understood that. (I also guess that you can see my poor english.)
But that your argument about that they are for "softies", this are invalid. I agree with that they are for promotion tests and show. But i have to say that they give more "depth" to a Martial Art/Sport that uses only one, or two, kicks.
They are pretty. But look at Judo and Jiu Jitsu. Judo only does kata for dan grades and it is with a partner using movements found in competitive Judo. Jiu Jitsu is EXTREMELY deep and technical and there is no kata.
My problem with poomsae is that some school use this is the sole method of grading people. Then you see black belts that can't do proper back kick, have no foot work/understanding of distance, cannot take a kick, and don't know how to truly hit someone.
that's actually not true, breathing is necessary for more strength and power in technique. while yelling (kiai) is also beneficial it does about the same as normal breathing. so it's not as pertinent to what they are doing.
Very good
très beau video
I couldnt find one person doing actual pushups.
WHY THE JUMPING JACKS AND THE PUSH-UPS????
I wanna join yaa
7:04 lol those random pair of legs xD
lol iis that how they do pushups in korea?
That's a bit different to taekwondo classes. Just a bit
ITEF?
They are only showing us 1% of what they can do. This is because they are modest and don't want to show off for americans.
Super training
I agree!!!
At 2:50 theres was a guy looked into the camera and thought : bitch, it's my turn now hahaha
this is the Kukkiwon Demo Team!
It's a warm up..
Punching from your hip, standing straight on, reaching to block strikes, etc are not applicable to a sport or street context. After 21 years of practice and usage in the ring and street, I am 100% confident in saying that poomsae are good only for show and acquiring a new dan grade.
can anyone in that class do a good push up?
they prolly can do really good pushups...
omg!!! they wear shoes!!!!!! my master not allowed us to wear shoes... even the taekwondo shoes.... =(
100% demonstration taekwondo
What were those warm ups for? Doing something, even a jumping jack, wrong serves no purpose. Do it well with full effort or just dont do it. Even their kick warm ups were sloppy and lazy compared to later on in the vid. So what was the point?
Looks more like organized dancing than training?
I would have to disagree that patterns, breaking and one step are useless. I am from ITF. There is no Martial art without techniques...its all well and good to practice various techniques in a standing position...but then you can only perform techniques in a standing position..patterns are about developing muscles, techniques, body shifting etc etc etc. Nothing in training is useless. Even observing a class for an hour should be taken as good training time.
those arent shoes though. its kind of like padding...
Bad bad push ups I go to Korean taekwondo and if we do pushups like that our master will kick our butt
cool kicks
ajaj was just thinking that :L
best push ups ever
I like the kicks
Thank god I'm not the only one who saw that vvvvvv
Some impressive kicking except for the power. even the instructor could not do pushups properly and he didn't once help anybody with their technique or corrected anyone just showed them once and then did his own thing. I hope your student shared how banal the class was.
Wow, Not Thats Master TKD!!..WOW!!
well thats what they do when its itching a little bit ^_^
it would be very boring if there is on noise.
their push up......
LOL, maybe. Other argument would be that is by yelling like that somehow can concentrate strength and kick more powerful just as how bruce lee yell every time he kicks or punches. but typing it out like that seem boring and nonsense for some people.
Cool Aerobics bro. Needs more fighting and shit.
Lol worst punches ever. Beautiful kicks though
In my humble opinion- I feel TKD should follow Judo's example. Get rid of the poomsae at the colour belt level so that students can learn solid basics, footwork, striking, and how to absorb a shot.
Many schools have set body pad drills and scenario drills in place in aid in grading. These are much more practical than taegueks.
that on the start...what is this? funny jeah
that's a dumb argument. they could easily have edited in some music.
Come on man.., try to do their push up and feel it...this kind of push up is different than a common push up. like RockeeterCody said.
To be honest, if a tkd guy have a mindset of using tkd as a self defense, this kind of training is ineffective.
I dont understand why ppl keep arguing about the weakness, and the strength of TKD. I personally see current TKD as a sport, just like soccer, basketball etc. U dont want to see ppl die in a pool of blood during Olympic Games, Do u?
has anyone ever been to Korea talking about push ups. tell them to take shirt off bet the have better six pack and arms then 90% of everyone on here besides me. note I do taekwondo do and seen these guys up close and personal. most
0:42 bottom left right one
I saw one person doing good pushups. wtf WTF?
Jeez, get over the lame push-ups! I love how people just zoom in on where they went wrong. Did you not watch the other 8 mins or so?!!
Cuma bisa kasih jempol.....
A lot of these people do not know how to hold pads properly. The way they are holding them causes people to hurt their foot on the spine of the kicking paddle. Also a lot of these people have kind of sucky technique, but then they have really cool 720 spin kicks. I find that interesting. Also, their jab punches were utterly pathetic.
but there were a few very good kicks I saw and that was nice.
lolz..these are the korean tigers...they aren't even trying. the guy doing the poomse in the middle was just memorizing, wasn't doing full power. The 540s, not 720s are not even being done with total commitment, it's relaxed target practice...and yes they are holding the pads right (stitches out)...and you shouldn't be able to hurt your heel on the spine of a kicking paddle because it's stitched leather. Only if you hit it straight on with roundhouse kick full power with the top of your foot, it hurts a little. Their technique is not sucky, it's technically extremely good and they're going 50%...sorry but you're basically wrong all around and don't have an eye for taekwondo. I take it by your profile picture that you're ATA or something because you have a black uniform, so no offense but I don't expect you to really know about WTF techiniques
proconsulaugustus No, they are not the Korean Tigers. And no they are not holding the pads correctly, and if you believe it is a matter of opinion, then okay, they are not holding them the most effective way for such kicking. You should never once hurt your heel on stitched leather when they hold them right. And even when I do my poomsae half speed or memorizing I have way better technique than that guy. He sucks. And you are an idiot if you think my picture is a black uniform or that I am ATA. I am Kukkiwon jackass. And proud of it. Don't you EVER associate me with the ATA!!! How dare you!
Flying kicks mean nothing anyway! I know more about WTF techniques than you and your entire dojang probably do buy the way you are talking.
Overall, despite their "relaxed" I mean less than quality technique on many issues, while good technique on a few spin and flying kicks during training I think it was an okay video to watch and see people in the Kukkiwon training.
+MaharlikaAWA Stfu
Kid Special You think they are holding them right?
they seem weak when i look at their push ups and sit ups. the only thing they do is to execute some fance kicks and choreographies. i'm a bit disappointed.
variountai na kanoun proponisi
I don't understand what is Korean taekowndo? is there other countries who found taekwondo? In our country it's a nice media of making money, by cheat poeple.