Verdant succession is pretty dumb with spykit though, if you get both and a sac outlet you can go grab worldspine wurm, equip for 2, sac it, make 3 5/5s and it's repeatable (since it shuffles itself), for every 2 mana you can make 3 5/5s. You can even go grab craterhoof and a haste enabler with it, all it takes is mana in a green deck and it's obviously game over if the sac outlet is altar.
Other fun cards with Spy Kit: Eradicate, Ardenn, Echoing Truth, Echoing Decay, Eye of Singularity, Remembrance, Bazaar of Wonders, Deputy of Detention, and Detention Sphere. The deck "Same Name, Different Shenanigans" on Moxfield uses most of those.
To Seth's credit, Richard's decks both lose guaranteed to a single removal piece, while his can at least attempt to recover. The latter half of that second game looked miserable for Richard, I have to give him props for not conceding.
I did like the novelty of being the only MTGO commander show, but I love this format of the show as well as the personalities still shine bright. And they get to use ALL the cards!
Never is probably a bit harsh. I would be very surprised if we returned to doing Clash full time on MTGO, but I also think there will be some MTGO episodes on occasion for certain themes.
It's just hard when you get all these cool cards but WOTC won't do their part to make sure players can play the game. Even on the client that should be the easiest for people to build a collection.
Crim: *Instantly removes Phil's 2 drop* Phil: *plays 3 drop" Crim: "Hey you should give me a powerstone you never do anything for me" Sorry Crim, you lost powerstone privileges.
I’m surprised Richard is the only one who seemed to be playing surveil lands, particularly with all the fetched around the table. It seems so much better to have that as an option to fetch out so you aren’t fetching cycling duals or triomes unless you need the 3 colors
Now that you play in paper, have you considered playing with weird rulesets? I specifically want to suggest "Everyone starts with a Panharmonicon emblem" for Seth week.
Seth's no creature deck is really cool! never thought about playing Court of Vantress and giving someone else the monarch to make them the archenemy! Seth really showing this deck building skills this episode! :D
heres an idea for an episode - everyone is randomly given one of the player archetypes (timmy, johnny, spike, etc.) and has to make a deck based off of that
@@spumy_plughole1191that was moreso my idea, getting to see everybody make decks differently than how they usually do. forcing crim to make a vorthos deck would be funny.
just built marvo with eye of the storm, teferi, worst fears, alrund epiphany nanogene conversion and clones for all the attack triggers!! INFINITE OCTPUS ATTACKS
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" things are smarter than they appear. Will Crim "BIG BRAIN" just do `totally normal` things or will Richard learn from the best to inch out the win? Tune-in to find out!
As much as I enjoy seeing you guys play in paper, I really hope future seasons go back to MTGO. It’s so refreshing having you guys play on MTGO in the endless landscape of webcam commander channels.
Standing ovation to Richard's first deck lol. Only addition I would make is adding in the original Bosejiu to make sure the combo doesn't get disrupted.
Very fun episode as always. I wonder if, its being played spelltable, would people prefer the camera feed for the two players on top to be flipped, so that nobody's board is upsidedown?
"Decks so dumb they're brilliant" implies the deck functions on level 2, with level 1 being a normally built Commander deck. Crim's deck is definitely a level 1 deck, but the others are level 2. He just built the deck that the Commander clearly asks you to build, while the others took a novel approach to their Commanders. Basically, everyone else brought a creative deck and Crim brought Counterbalance tribal for a Commander that asks you to play Counterbalance.
I actually run a spy kit deck that seems to be a little more consistent than this. It uses Ardenn and Silas Renn as partner commanders. Ardenn can equip the spy kit onto opponent's creatures, so you can skip out on needing Zedruu to donate, and Silas is just generically good recursion for artifacts, and a surprisingly good addition to an equipment deck. Recently, I've been enjoying cryptic coat and the end as new toys for the deck. It also can do cool thopter sword things, and plays a bunch of the transmogrify equipments as threats that Ardenn can cheat onto creatures.
Manifold Key is a powered down Voltaic Key in my opinion. Manifold Key's untap ability has to target another artifact, while Voltaic Key can target itself. This may sound weird, but it is key to infinite mana combos with Rings of Bright Hearth plus a rock that makes 4+ mana. The unblockability for 3 mana on Manifold key almost virtually never gets activated in artifact decks, which is where Manifold and Voltaic key find there best homes.
I have a deck similar to Richard's - the whole deck costs 63 cmc total. I'm down to 45 lands though, and I run ALL the tutors, plus ALL the fast 0-2 mana artifact ramp. I kill with Exsanguinate or Tendrils, and have Krark-Clan Ironworks and Skirge Familiar for extra mana. I can't draw the whole deck (unless I go off a second time), but I can always get around 30+ cards, which is enough.
38:20 the kiki-jiki wasn't on the battlefield yet, right? the second cascade happens before the first one resolves so this removal shouldn't have worked
Not Richard reminding me of all the lands I've used and abused 😅 the storage counter lands with voral of the hull clade was an in my very first paper edh deck
I run a Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire deck with 97 lands, Sickening Dreams, and Ad Nauseum. It uses Glacial Chasm to prevent the damage from Sickening Dreams.
i play a cEDH deck with varragoth, bloodsky sire as the commander. the total mana value of the deck is 38 not including naus, and if you get him out t1 (easy in cedh) it’s a turn 3 kill
The first sliver, Cascades into Tibalt’s Trickery targeting The First Sliver, hopefully don’t mill the win con, get Cultivator Colossus, with the trigger get the Mazes End win con set up. Win next turn
I’m so happy with Richard’s decks the wondered deck is something I’ve talked about for a while but never built bc you can only play it once with a play group. It was so awesome to see somebody do it
When he pulled out the maelstrom wanderer after the first game, I assumed he’s doing what my maelstrom wanderer meme deck does (mine doesn’t have any nice lands like his deck). Haven’t finished the video yet so we’ll see what his does
Sidisi can’t get the tutor by sacrificing itself. It can sacrifice itself on the trigger, but it resolves without effect, because exploit is “when (this creature) exploits a creature”, and it’s no longer on the battlefield at point of resolution.
actually, it does see itself getting exploited so it's triggered ability does trigger. if sidisi were to be somehow removed before it were able to exploit itself, then the exploit fizzles and the tutor doesn't happen
Did Phil really think a free lighting bolt every turn with artifact synergies wouldn't be good. You opponents get to choose sure, but it quickly gets to the point where they have no good choices with how many ways there are to untap artifacts
I ve a copuple of decks (also in paper) So Dumb They're Brilliant. One based on eternal dominion as wincon (copied 3 times) with mnemonic deluge. I've tried so many commander to find one who would fit with the stratedy. I could send you some of my lists/masterpieces
My question is with it being in paper do you guys have. A sponsor that lets you barrow cards so you can play these new decks each week or do you have to buy them?
"I think you're abusing the social contract" Seth succinctly describes Richard's strategy in every Commander game hahaha.
The social contract is his secret commander
Announcing that a card is your hidden commander to the table is like casting a removal spell on it
I think if you're playing with friends, intentionally leaving out information like "this is the card I built my deck around" is a little dishonest.
@@SmashCentralOfficial It's not dishonest - it's playing strategically.
@@wchenful acting like your card isn't a big deal and then uptapping and winning the game isnt "strategy".
@@SmashCentralOfficial ok, then what is strategy?
@@wchenful a million other things besides trying to do a "gotcha" on your friends? :S
Seth deck is the kind of deck that only does something on the 8th uninterrupted combo piece played, whereas Richard's decks both win off the first.
Verdant succession is pretty dumb with spykit though, if you get both and a sac outlet you can go grab worldspine wurm, equip for 2, sac it, make 3 5/5s and it's repeatable (since it shuffles itself), for every 2 mana you can make 3 5/5s. You can even go grab craterhoof and a haste enabler with it, all it takes is mana in a green deck and it's obviously game over if the sac outlet is altar.
Other fun cards with Spy Kit: Eradicate, Ardenn, Echoing Truth, Echoing Decay, Eye of Singularity, Remembrance, Bazaar of Wonders, Deputy of Detention, and Detention Sphere. The deck "Same Name, Different Shenanigans" on Moxfield uses most of those.
To Seth's credit, Richard's decks both lose guaranteed to a single removal piece, while his can at least attempt to recover. The latter half of that second game looked miserable for Richard, I have to give him props for not conceding.
Richard is having WAY too much fun this week! xD
That Karn surfing 3d popout HAHAHAHAHAHA! That is amazing!
Honestly Richard should have just had all of the creature lands possible for his second deck.
Richard on the "this podcas couldve been an article" confirmed that they won't go back to MTGO
I did like the novelty of being the only MTGO commander show, but I love this format of the show as well as the personalities still shine bright. And they get to use ALL the cards!
If they DID ever go back to MTGO I'd hope it would only be for Sliver weeks
Never is probably a bit harsh. I would be very surprised if we returned to doing Clash full time on MTGO, but I also think there will be some MTGO episodes on occasion for certain themes.
It's just hard when you get all these cool cards but WOTC won't do their part to make sure players can play the game. Even on the client that should be the easiest for people to build a collection.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander maybe, like say, a chaos week...
very cool deck Richard, thank you for not playing it twice.
Crim: *Instantly removes Phil's 2 drop*
Phil: *plays 3 drop"
Crim: "Hey you should give me a powerstone you never do anything for me"
Sorry Crim, you lost powerstone privileges.
For the kiki combo, Pestermite, Deceiver Exarch, and Zealous Conscripts all don't care what order they come down in
I’m surprised Richard is the only one who seemed to be playing surveil lands, particularly with all the fetched around the table. It seems so much better to have that as an option to fetch out so you aren’t fetching cycling duals or triomes unless you need the 3 colors
I love how Crim's just playing an actual deck xD
Sweaty crim am I right please give me reddit gold
Now that you play in paper, have you considered playing with weird rulesets? I specifically want to suggest "Everyone starts with a Panharmonicon emblem" for Seth week.
Nice combo richard that was awesome
Richard that was a crazy first game. Made my day ahahah
9:42 Did the editor wake Crim in the middle of the day (night for him) to have him narrate what Marvo does?
Yes lol
Phil's house look so tidy and cozy, crim's background is just a mess lol. Also, is that a crowsurfing karn on crim's table, where he got that?
Phil is German. Confirmed
Someone gave Crim the Karn at Magic Con Chicago I believe.
It’s nice to see you guys off MTGO! This is so much nicer to watch
omg! Crim has a crowd surfing Karn XD
I can't believe seth isn't running Psychic Paper
I honestly didn't know that was a card until right now. Seems like a good addition to the deck for sure.
I love this group's dynamic.
"My spells can't be countered - _Crim."_
"Can _that_ be countered?"
"...yes..."
Who could resist that title.
Should've used the wrong "there" for maximum impact
I am loving seeing everybody enjoy these high powered games. I am loving this.
Richard saw Seth play Laelia in Brawl and said "hold my beer"
Really fun episode, love the creativity of the decks!
Seth's no creature deck is really cool! never thought about playing Court of Vantress and giving someone else the monarch to make them the archenemy! Seth really showing this deck building skills this episode! :D
heres an idea for an episode - everyone is randomly given one of the player archetypes (timmy, johnny, spike, etc.) and has to make a deck based off of that
How would spike not just win?
@@spumy_plughole1191oh. hmmm.......... good.... good point.
@@mangoalias608 it would be neat to see everyone's take on each archetype, I want to see crim's timmy deck vs seth's
@@spumy_plughole1191that was moreso my idea, getting to see everybody make decks differently than how they usually do. forcing crim to make a vorthos deck would be funny.
This was amazing. One of my favourite episodes for sure.
I love how paranoid everyone was after Richard just dropped a Nuke on the table during Game one
I LOVE MARVO SO MUCH! THANKS FOR PLAYING HIM
just built marvo with eye of the storm, teferi, worst fears, alrund epiphany nanogene conversion and clones for all the attack triggers!! INFINITE OCTPUS ATTACKS
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" things are smarter than they appear. Will Crim "BIG BRAIN" just do `totally normal` things or will Richard learn from the best to inch out the win? Tune-in to find out!
As much as I enjoy seeing you guys play in paper, I really hope future seasons go back to MTGO. It’s so refreshing having you guys play on MTGO in the endless landscape of webcam commander channels.
this was dope!! loved this one guys
Thank you for giving Marvo a good showing. The games were fun to watch!
16:57 is it true what they say? is Balin really dead?
Crim's deck is something I've been wanting to build.
do it, it's a very fun deck
Marvo is my current favorite deck. I highly recommend.
Been working on it. ^-^
the Crim shenanigans with Counterbalance, Top, Keen Duelist and so on were very cool
Seth if you ever revisit the spy kit plan, use Ardenn as a partner pair, yes you only get 3 colors but you can equip the kit to an opponent’s creature
loving the physical cards! sweet decks!
Standing ovation to Richard's first deck lol. Only addition I would make is adding in the original Bosejiu to make sure the combo doesn't get disrupted.
Crim, I have started using "City of Ass" in my deck in place of City of Brass and it is always a conversation piece.
0:58 Who's this Seth guy? He sounds like SaffronOlive
I saw tergrid as a Commander and instantly clicked. MY SWEET BABY GIRL TERGRID!!
I have a version of Richard's second deck that uses Man Severance + Jace Wielder of Mystery's. It always fun to play it once in a new playgroup 😂
Seth playing leyline of the guild pact into All is Dust is really something.
Very fun episode as always. I wonder if, its being played spelltable, would people prefer the camera feed for the two players on top to be flipped, so that nobody's board is upsidedown?
"Decks so dumb they're brilliant" implies the deck functions on level 2, with level 1 being a normally built Commander deck. Crim's deck is definitely a level 1 deck, but the others are level 2. He just built the deck that the Commander clearly asks you to build, while the others took a novel approach to their Commanders.
Basically, everyone else brought a creative deck and Crim brought Counterbalance tribal for a Commander that asks you to play Counterbalance.
Crim asked the most important question of all time at the 26:59 mark
Why did crim counter phils artifact when richard did the most obvious i have a combo deck play ive ever seen with that sidisi cast with no permanents
15:58 takes out civic Saber calling it city of brass on top
I actually run a spy kit deck that seems to be a little more consistent than this. It uses Ardenn and Silas Renn as partner commanders. Ardenn can equip the spy kit onto opponent's creatures, so you can skip out on needing Zedruu to donate, and Silas is just generically good recursion for artifacts, and a surprisingly good addition to an equipment deck. Recently, I've been enjoying cryptic coat and the end as new toys for the deck. It also can do cool thopter sword things, and plays a bunch of the transmogrify equipments as threats that Ardenn can cheat onto creatures.
CROWD SURF THE KARNNNN
Richard you absolute madman never change
39:00 Why wouldn't the other combo pieces work? If you cascaded into Zealous Conscripts first the combo works just fine
Manifold Key is a powered down Voltaic Key in my opinion. Manifold Key's untap ability has to target another artifact, while Voltaic Key can target itself. This may sound weird, but it is key to infinite mana combos with Rings of Bright Hearth plus a rock that makes 4+ mana. The unblockability for 3 mana on Manifold key almost virtually never gets activated in artifact decks, which is where Manifold and Voltaic key find there best homes.
Wow Phil's deck is super cool! I like Crim's deck too! I haven't seen Seth's deck pop at this point in the video. Richard...boo...snooze lmfao.
richard brought a cedh deck to clash!! love seeing that go off lol :D
I have a deck similar to Richard's - the whole deck costs 63 cmc total. I'm down to 45 lands though, and I run ALL the tutors, plus ALL the fast 0-2 mana artifact ramp. I kill with Exsanguinate or Tendrils, and have Krark-Clan Ironworks and Skirge Familiar for extra mana. I can't draw the whole deck (unless I go off a second time), but I can always get around 30+ cards, which is enough.
38:20 the kiki-jiki wasn't on the battlefield yet, right? the second cascade happens before the first one resolves so this removal shouldn't have worked
what should have happened was the pestermite hits the battlefield with kiki-jiki on the stack and then the szat's will is cast to stop the combo
50:30 Shouldn't Seth's Shapeshifter token die to Decree of Pain being Cycled? It's a 3/2...
I used to have a very similar Sidisi Deck. Really something you can't play all that often.
“This is now on an adventurrrre” 😂
Not Richard reminding me of all the lands I've used and abused 😅 the storage counter lands with voral of the hull clade was an in my very first paper edh deck
I remember running Ayula's Influence and ~90 lands in a Gitrog deck. Piles like these are kinda funny for a game. Just, the one though (imo) :P
I run a Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire deck with 97 lands, Sickening Dreams, and Ad Nauseum.
It uses Glacial Chasm to prevent the damage from Sickening Dreams.
i play a cEDH deck with varragoth, bloodsky sire as the commander. the total mana value of the deck is 38 not including naus, and if you get him out t1 (easy in cedh) it’s a turn 3 kill
i run that combo, as well as mikaeus+walking ballista+heartless summoning and imp’s mischief as backup
I'm not surprised about the outcome of this theme lol
editor: ☹😃
Richard is always slightly off screen powering up a Spirit Bomb.
Credit to Richard for the correct pronunciation of "Untaidake"
Seth your deck was awesome, i wish it got to do the thing but i thought it was sweet regardless
Thanks :)
Whoa, the clashing and marvo is SO COOL
The first sliver, Cascades into Tibalt’s Trickery targeting The First Sliver, hopefully don’t mill the win con, get Cultivator Colossus, with the trigger get the Mazes End win con set up. Win next turn
ooh crim is so amazing he remembers the card order on his library. HES PLAYING ONLINE HE CAN JUST WRITE IT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER
I wonder how much removal Crim is running compared to the other decks lol
Crim i'm in love with your deck
I’m so happy with Richard’s decks the wondered deck is something I’ve talked about for a while but never built bc you can only play it once with a play group. It was so awesome to see somebody do it
When he pulled out the maelstrom wanderer after the first game, I assumed he’s doing what my maelstrom wanderer meme deck does (mine doesn’t have any nice lands like his deck). Haven’t finished the video yet so we’ll see what his does
Ok it does not have the same spells as mine. Still happy to see it play out
Sidisi can’t get the tutor by sacrificing itself. It can sacrifice itself on the trigger, but it resolves without effect, because exploit is “when (this creature) exploits a creature”, and it’s no longer on the battlefield at point of resolution.
actually, it does see itself getting exploited so it's triggered ability does trigger. if sidisi were to be somehow removed before it were able to exploit itself, then the exploit fizzles and the tutor doesn't happen
I need to say how much I enjoy the show now that you play on paper. I can't stand watching the clunky modo interface
I loved Richard's deck that was great
6:06 can someone explain this play to me?
I don't get it, to me it just seems like Richard threw resources away
Was that an AI Crim reading out Marvo lol!
next time y'all do this, make the Infamous Cruelclaw 98 lands and a worldfire deck
Did Phil really think a free lighting bolt every turn with artifact synergies wouldn't be good. You opponents get to choose sure, but it quickly gets to the point where they have no good choices with how many ways there are to untap artifacts
Great format!
Um isn't Might and Weakstone technically azorious on the back? How is phil playing it in mono black?
the coincidence in life, i just ordered a copy of Rukarumel, Biologist 2 days ago.
I ve a copuple of decks (also in paper) So Dumb They're Brilliant. One based on eternal dominion as wincon (copied 3 times) with mnemonic deluge. I've tried so many commander to find one who would fit with the stratedy. I could send you some of my lists/masterpieces
Always happy when Phil wins and the control deck gets salty
Awesome. Clash on!
i like Crim's deck ! even if richard and phil decks might be more powerful, Crim's deck seems fun to play with a lot of interaction at the table
i did something like richards deck with ad naus skit skirge and exanguinate
Richards deck is hilarious
Decks*
Crim this is your mother, make your bed
Dear Seth: you're awesome always, but ROO-ka-ROO-mel, not whatever was said.
ROO caramel.
My question is with it being in paper do you guys have. A sponsor that lets you barrow cards so you can play these new decks each week or do you have to buy them?
Crim back to dimir seems right
my friend has a cedh deck that has a similiar combo line with sickening dreams, ad naus and aetherflux. its pretty cool
:)