How to beat Elphelt's Grenade
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2023
- She is the best and coolest character... right?
Elphelt Wiki: www.dustloop.com/w/GGST/Elphe...
SJI 214H: / 1734015896023446009
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Waiting for THE Millia downplayer to show up
☠️☠️☠️🤣🤣🤣🤣 they've even commented on one of my vids you know!! I was so taken aback 🤣
I was here for this vid but now this lore I'm seeing here seems way to important to not snoop in on XD
Imagine being youtube comment section famous 💀
Lordknight right?
@@kyps1259no, the goat konokonizumi, search for any millia clip and there’s like a 90% chance he’s in the comments complaining
Hilariously, Goldlewis's jank ass 6P is amazing against Elphelt's grenade flip. I've never used 6P so much in a matchup before.
Millia mentioned? H E ' S C O M I N G .
The forbidden character
I am glad the Sol vs Axl video wasnt's Sol vs Millia, he will burn the ArcSys offices if so.
These guides are super appreciated! I got a couple of friends into Guilty Gear (and fighting games in general) recently, and they've been having a great time but have recently been getting pretty discouraged by Elphelt. Since I don't have access to my setup to lab right now, I haven't really been able to offer much advice, so these videos are a godsend to help show that everything in the game CAN be beaten if you know the matchup.
Mmmmm, I decided to just take a break for a while. Haven't been enjoying Strive lately and getting knowledge checked by a new character certainly doesn't help with that. Reckon I'll come back when they add Jam and throw a tantrum because she isn't like her Xrd version XD
I am cursed to have every clip of me be getting my ass beat
Change tag to GG Player
Awesome guide, didn’t expect so many videos out in such short a time but it’s making learning Elphelt and fighting her much easier. You’re still my favorite strive player and youtuber ❤️
7:18 for those who care/are interested, the reason this happens is because of jump install.
basically, in guilty gear, there is a mechanic where grounded moves that recover aerially can be used with a tiger knee input to become air actionable. it basically means that even though you aren't normally able to use certain options (most cases it's double jump) after these moves, but jump install enables that.
ive literally never heard of that be mentioned anywhere. is there any page on dustloop that goes into this in more detail?
if it weren't for your comment i wouldve been left wondering why that was happening lol
@@lagc5103 there should be. It's a remnant from older guilty gears.
But she gets those air actions either way, doesn't she? I don't get it...
she actually loses air actions with sji but it makes the move work completely different
@@Hotashi interesting
I love how the music shifts when she goes into her nade shenanigans 😂
I dont have any suggestions on what to make a guide for next, but i must say i really love this style of video guide, having to read the text really feels like it sticks in my head better
loving this small guide format on how to deal with some specific stuff
Lol the astlofo backround at 1:00
great pointers, loved the direct to the point style. Simple and clean editing, now time to lab on my own with Ram
These videos help so much, especially for people that can't lab her stuff in training mode
Here from the stream. I appreciate the effort you put into these, it's really worth it
Is there a way to deal with elphelt's grenade
No **ends video**
Peeped the stream and was suprised to see you in the process of making that video which is sick.
I really loved this video especially since I don’t have the money to purchase elphelt to lab against her so having a video that gives me some baseline idea of my options already is amazing thanks hotashi
i got this today as asuka with no spells broke free drew a spell and was put right back into the blender
Loving the guides, they do a good job of setting up context and giving good info while still being focused and to the point.
I feel like Bedman and Asuka are two characters that a lot of people including myself still don't really understand, I'd love if you could give some advice against their pressure sequences.
I dont remember the details, but i think i saw a post on the GGST_EL tag that said backdash was great against midscreen OTG 214h oki, since it dodges the grenade explosion and moves you in a way that dodges Elphelt's air move. But i have to test it in detail to be sure.
Still i wanted to spread the word around, so that's that.
Thanks for the videos Hotashi!
I think that was about her whiff 5p grenade flip setup, not the OTG version, but its worth testing regardless
thank you lord hotasho
Entirely unrelated but I swore you had a combo/guide video up a day ago 😭
Swag video btw, can’t wait to try all these tips and still lose because I suck
Loving these guides! I'd subscribe but I've already been subscribed so I'll link this to some friends instead :D
My current weakness I'm trying hardest to work on is figuring out what to punish counter hits with when playing elphelt based on circumstances - go for air combos? Just 6h every time? And I don't know enough to know how to learn what's best for that. Seeing as you asked for video ideas is there anything there? Or too broad?
As a Elphant main myself, this is useful info
Lovely stuff!
Great guide! I'm still having issues if she tries to start her rekka off a lvl 3 attack move like 2H, you gotta mash 6P to counter it (if you don't have a dp). But if she cancels into the grenade instead, the 6P gets beat. I feel like I can't try to react to the 214H while simultaneously also having to press 6P asap if I don't wanna end up in the rekka blender...
I simply just won't block
That's toadally acceptable👍
Truuuu
The first minute is just an attempt to trigger non Elphelt player's trauma
This was how I learned to counter Anji’s shin. Legit nothing worked, not even 6P, then I just try jumping and boom
music lines up clean
also thx for the guide i guess
These guids are great man. You could honestly just do random set ups showing how they work and the counter play as its own series.
I didn't even realize I'm not subscribed and I've been watching your videos for years. rip me I guess
It’s 6p. The almost universal move with upper body invincibility
Fun fact: Faust can catch Elphelt's grenade with 2k if you do it about when she's in the middle of her arc thing
Thank you 😁
Hey Hotashi, can you save the counter play until AFTER I finally beat the celestial challenge? I’m out here graspin at straws as it is.
Thank u sensei
To answer the video title. Have you heard of the mahic we call 5p?
watch the vid. Lots of ranges, elphelt don't care about no 5p.
I'm just gonna hope pot 6P works cuz it can hit crossup now. Thanks for the guide!
Hey this is great, ty!!
good ost
Anyway, I've been hours on training mode trying to understand the "tiger knee", twitter apparently can't translate the comment in japanese and google translate doesn't give much information over the fact that delaying the tk input adds momentum to 214hs (I think that's what is happening), and I haven't been able to see any difference between tk-ing and not (assuming I'm not doing the input wrong), and what I'm getting is the most fuzzyable/reactable mix I ever seen, hell, at one point, in one of the recordings, I outright have been able to block holding on both sides the non cross-up sequence, I don't even know how the hell did I manage to do that, maybe it glitched or something...
Can anyone help me figure this out please?
incredible
Maybe some help with axl? he can be really frustrating for heavies and players that don't understand how to really get around his normals and blockstrings, and that new move makes it even harder, there are plenty of characters that people would like to have an easy guide on where to apply fast moves against their offense though, nago hc and the like
W guide
jump n grab baby, like xrd
just get hit by it.
Good video 👍
Lab or lose lol, I don't have access to Elphelt so I can't
oh i bet Bed 6P shreds this thing
2:29 Lab or lose... In other words, pay $7 for the character you don't even intend to play or lose
I think it would be hilarious if the grenade still explodes after its thrown out even if you hit her out of it
this is how it worked when xrd first released
what can elphelt do as mix if they start air throwing? or is the bomb reactable so off of 2H it's just invalidated by that? Or can she mix between bomb and rekka or something there if it's not actually reactable?
If they start jump air grabbing it every time, they’re susceptible to a pretty heavy counter hit by simply waiting for the jump, or cancelling into a different special (safer)
2H isn’t that minus on block so you have time to punish an air throw attempt. It’s pretty hard to react to and throw in time, so im pretty sure they have to air throw preemptively? I haven’t tested if it’s react punishable
I would think if they're looking to air grab then rekka would start landing
i love these videos wooooooooooooooo
I'm trying to understand the guide but I don't know the terminology at all 💀
what terminology is giving you trouble?? i’ll list some stuff in case those are the things you don’t know:
numbers+letter (example:214H): this is what’s known as "numpad notation". the numbers are the directions you have to input to make the move, and one knows what direction they represent by looking at numbers in a numpad (example: 214 = down(2)>down-back(1)>back(4)). 5 is neutral (in other words: no direction is being input) and i think you can figure out the rest (if not, look at a numpad and the arrows on them to understand better). the letter that comes after the numbers (example: the "H" in "214H") is just the button that you have to press after inputting the directions (so, in the case of "H" (sometimes written as "HS"), it means you have to press the "heavy slash" button). with this you’ll be able to understand what things like 6P or 2D are.
oh, and sometimes you’ll see "c.S" and "f.S", which just mean "close slash" and "far slash" respectively ("c.S" is what’s known as a "proximity normal", which means it’ll only come out if you’re close to the opponent (otherwise you’ll get "f.S")).
OTG (on the ground): this is basically hitting the opponent while they’re knocked down with a hard knock down (as long as they are not on their rising animation (they are invulnerable during that animation)), which will make them wake up quickly.
move levels (example: LVL3 and LVL4): these are not commonly talked about unless you get to a certain level of play, but it’s basically the amount of hitstun (the amount of time the opponent will be unable to act after you successfully land an attack) and blockstun (the same but for when the attack is blocked) the attack has (the higher the level the more stun it has).
soft/hard knockdown: i used this term in the "OTG" explanation, so i think that explaining it could be helpful. basically, when you knock down your opponent with an attack, one of two things will happen: they’ll either wake up quickly or a bit after getting knocked down. these are known as "soft knockdown" and "hard knockdown" respectively. usually, moves like grabs and sweeps will give a hard knockdown, while most other moves give a soft knockdown.
DP (dragon punch): this usually refers to a "meterless reversal" (a move with whole-body invulnerability frames that doesn’t use any meter) or a "shoryuken-like move" (if i’m not mistaken, "shoryuken" is japanese for "dragon punch"). these moves are usually done with a 623 input, so 623 is usually referred to as a "do input".
meaty: this is essentially a move that is timed so it hits the opponent while they’re waking up after being knocked down, forcing them to either block the hit or use a reversal. a well known example of this is millia’s H disc (236H), which is used to make the opponent stay put while millia goes for a mix up.
okizeme (often shortened as "oki"): it’s basically what you do after you knock down someone. again, millia is an excellent example. she’s what’s known as an "oki monster", which means that she thrives once she gets a hard knockdown. what she does is using her H disc as i described before (which is known as "projectile oki") to mix up the opponent with her oppressive kit while they’re forced to either block the mix or use a reversal to get out of the situation completely with the risk of getting punished if she baits it (punish which she’ll use to do damage and get you in the exact same situation).
i hope this helped and, if it didn’t, i apologise. if the latter is the case, would you mind telling me what term or terms used are the ones you don’t understand??
i also apologise if anything was improperly worded. i’m not a native speaker of this language (however, this should not be taken as an excuse, just an explanation)
Damn, so not only does she mix and damage better then millia, but millia's 6P sucks at getting out? Brutal.
Kinda unrelated but the music choices remind me of how good of a producer Toby Fox was.
Great video, anyone know the song playing at 1:50?
Ruins from Undertale
Thanks a bunch boss
Hotashi you werent supposed to teach them the airgrab tech 😢
Sorry for the bad news but the air grab tech is one of the dealing with elphelt missions.
@@daftprince2234 Nobody does those, c'mon.
Only clowns don't do the missions 😎@@brocksteele7475
@@daftprince2234jeez asw 😂
If you're insane enough to be playing Jack-O' these days, her 2S hits Elphelt out of the air as a counter hit leading to a full combo and you get to set up a minion or two in the process.
Jack-O' 2S ain't useful for much, but when it is useful, it's amazing.
I knew it was air grab, but i cant quite predict when will she do rekka or nade.... At this point idk which is worse, Anji or her
6p meta
Thanks for the anti-bomb tips, btw, air grab ftw.
Stop giving them the solutions now I have to play better 😂 Great vid, comment for algo.
Honestly as a potemkin main i cant understand y'all, just HPB her.
Hey Hotashi, I know it’s really too early to call, but I’m pretty sure you know the controversy revolving Elphelt’s game design. Does she have accents from her Xrd design (like many strive designs) or it’s she completely refined and retooled?
her normals have alot of call backs in their properties
@@Hotashi Thank you!! I’m glad you’re enjoying the character. She’s really fun.
Instructions unclear got to tower 4 from 8
(Jk jk appreciate this a bunch my dumbass is just like LET ME LIVE LET ME LIVE…)
6P is the band kid’s version of parry. Good luck guessing, one mistake and gg .
asdf
You know the game 😮
He's an Evo Champion in multiple games lmao
How do I learn a fighting game without wanting to shoot myself the whole time
dont play the game for like a month, thats how
elphelt is extremely overtunned on purpose and won't be patched till next year change my mind. Once again the only way to beat it consistently on strive connection is to beat it before it comes out.. What shit game balance, I haven't played since Jack-o was new but still over tunning the new ones, what's new? let me guess laser boi was busted too when he was released. And I know tangentially that sin was too, ggst is a joke till months after the patches come out. Don't worry guys, we fixed it, positive bonus still gives very similar amount of tension and burst and we didn't get rid of the kd on WA wb. See FIXXED! Guess I'll take a break again lol.
and hotashi, pray tell what tech are you holding back when all of your pressure is safe against someone has a single frame of rollback?
Bro is fighting the ghosts of christmas past holy. This has to be a troll.
Imagine adding a DLC character, so busted you have to make not 1 but 2 guides on how to "deal" with her, and even then she is stupidly busted because "Lets give an amazing projectile to a fucking rushdown character", I swear to gods GG devs where on crack or some japanese drug while making Elphelt being this braindead and stron at the same time
Still not top 3
There are counterplay guides for every character in this game on UA-cam cuz competitors and sweats want to win consistently. If learning the game and char counterplay tilts you this much don’t play or just play for fun against friends…
@ICEQUEEN_HAZEL Yeah, most fighting games have a lot of knowledge checks that you have to figure out. People are mad about having to learn counter play because the character is new
this is such incredible cope
name one dlc character you can fight a competent player against without knowing the matchup at all and win consistently
also you are not gonna like it when you figure out who i-no and happy chaos are