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Love it!!
Exactly! For instance, Steve clearly spends way too much on all of his fancy shirts when clearly my shirts from the local bargain basement store do the job every bit as good.
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Every morning I get dressed I wish I could afford as many great shirts as Steve 😀 But yes, John has it spot on here. The worst of the "All you need..." people are those clearly speaking out of envy. Oh, and the worst of the worst are the "Your expensive stuff * can't * sound any better than my cheap gear, you idiot" ones.
What ever you say, just dont bring up the word klipsch ......bagel street..
Steve - stop calling people idiots :)
Funnily, the next video suggested by YT was John Darko's "Don't buy a new car. Buy a dCS Bartok."
Same
"We are all idiots"
That's a slogan I can get behind tbh
Hello,
That is pop on John, over the years (75 now) I've had an instances where relatives have visited
taken one look at my system and basically called me an idiot, but with a few more expletives thrown
in for good measure. They had cars worth, in the region of, £ 20,000 mine was worth about £ 8,000.
They had £ 300 systems mine was worth almost the cost of their car. I have also had chats about diminishing
returns when I upgraded my cartridge ( same slapped forehead same expletives).
It's all about perceived value. These days and with failing hearing I'm just glad I can still hear the
bloody thing. Thanks for that I may just show them your post.
Just buy whatever you want and be happy with it regardless of what others can think...
I love when this "thing" called hobby turns philosophical.
You should try playing a musical instruments, everything turns philosophical pretty easily
What a morning !. Last week I replaced my old Skoda Octavia with a newer and bigger Superb. I am an idiot. I own three Professional Sony cameras..... my client uses my photos/video on the internet. Way overkill. Thats three more “idiots” to me. To top it all off, I became a Patreon of Darko last night, and the first thing he does is calling me an idiot at 7 o’clock in the morning. Love it. Thanks John. I agree I am an idiot, and a proud one !
Thank you for enabling the comments! Sometimes you receive much more information from other's comments on the topic than the actual video.
Do you think so?
This is one of my favourite ever UA-cam videos. As others have said it speaks to life not just Hi Fi. Its about being content and understanding that chasing does not always bring satisfaction - there's always something better or newer or....
John, this video is absolutely FANTASTIC, and goes way beyond the world of cars, camera's and hi-fi. It's life. Thank you.
Wow! That was spot on! And not just for Audio, all of the different parts of our lives. I feel like you summed up a lot of what people feel and don't know how to say/express it. Great Video!
So true.. there are $15K cars, $50K cars, $150K cars and $1.5 million cars... they all get you from point A to point B. Yet, the experience is different as one goes up the ladder (from utilitarian to exhilarating to.... well, orgasmic) !
A year later and this might be my favorite Darko video, and there are no device reviews or comparisons in it. What we have here is simply the ultimate truth of every person’s circumstances. Brilliant, Sir.
That's is why my $400 sound system sounds good enough to my ears and to my pocket...
“One man’s ceiling is another man’s floor”. Brilliant and succinct, on par with the coarser “It’s my money, and it’s none of your business what I do with it”.
Another crucial aspect, aside from finances, is recognizing that everyone is at a different stage in their journey. At the outset of a hobby, splurging hundreds on your first headphone might seem absurd to most people. Yet, once you're captivated, the desire for an amp and a DAC sets in. Gradually delving deeper into the hobby, you transition from a casual participant to an enthusiast, uncovering more avenues for exploration. Your perspective shifts from mere monetary value to viewing the hobby as a means to learn, experience, and evolve.
Well put. Great way of showing you're not an idiot without saying your not an idiot...Along the way hopefully teaching idiots and non idiots. Maybe I'm an idiot with the double negatives.
As Crosby, Stills, and Nash once sang, "Love the one you're with".
Actually, that song came out on a Stephen Stills solo album. Good point, though, and one with which I thoroughly agree!
If I loved the one I'm with from the get go, I'd still have my cheap Mitsubishi music centre.
@@mrpositronia And I still have my 50 year old Pioneer SX727. And still HAPPY
The Beatles stated: All You Need Is Love :)
Not sure my wife would agree......
I enjoy watching youtubers extolling the merits of older gear and why it’s relevant today to still seek out, learn to appreciate properly, and then enjoy, various bits of kit to see if they are decent performers in today’s world and how they compare. So when you hear “‘all you need is”, step back and check out the possessions you already have and try to understand more about them is my tip. Once you have done that maybe upgrade if you can.
This made me feel better about preferring CDS and Blurays to Spotify and Netflix. Other people's comments about me "wasting money", being "stuck in the past" or them not thinking there is any significant difference in quality were getting to me.
You are right, though. They are talking about their circumstances, gear and priorities, not about mine.
To me, it is worth collecting CDS and Blurays, for many reasons. I guess I am "stupid" from certain people's perspectives, but equally, they, too, are "stupid" from other perspectives than their own.
And it needs to be about what is right for me. Not what is right for somebody else.
Thank you.
I needed this.
imo this is one of the best takes on subjectivity ❤️
99% of the gear you own, i would never be able to afford but none less I love watching these videos. I don't think id be able to afford that JOHN DARKO coffee mug even..LOL. keep it up Sir! great video
Great video John. I am always interested in a discussion of “what is enough?”
Love this video, John. I’m definitely an idiot.
Great video - agree 100%.
One thing that is happening here is self-justification. When we say "You're an idiot" what we are really saying is "I am not an idiot." I made a good decision when I spent X on a whizbang Mk 3. Anybody who does something different to me has to be wrong.
So the internet is full of "my car is better than yours", vinyl vs CD vs streaming, XBox vs PS, headphones vs speakers, Sony vs Nikon, Manchester United vs Chelsea. We join clubs and tribes so we can agree with each other that our doohickey is miles better than the other doohickeys. We read or watch reviews of products that we already own because we want to see our decisions being validated.
It all comes down to a basic human need to protect ourselves. That includes protecting ourselves from criticism that we made a bad choice. I bet we've always been doing it, since the time when Ug argued with Ogg that a spear was better than a club.
Well put. Enthusiasts can easily forget what others value. During my 15 year stint of selling hi-fi, I saw a lot of Bose Wave Radios in high end/executive homes and initially couldn't understand why. You have to remind yourself that not everyone is as "into it" as you are.
In all my years one thing I started to learn the older I get is that is better to get an expert, preferably a friend to make the decisions for you so this way you can enjoy the product and the media you play on it without losing focus on what's important, the media itself...You get rid of all distractions and focus better on what you are actually listening.
Nice to see the comments switched on John 👍
Thank you for mentioning the law of diminishing return.
There is another dimension to this, which diverges from the pecuniary considerations: Situational Satisfaction.
My wife and myself were grooving to 'Billie Jean' on a scratchy car radio yesterday, and it was bliss.
I am sitting right now in my living room, ready to listen to music, and even my Muso2 will not suffice:
In this room, at this moment, I will settle for nothing less than firing up the amp preamp cdp and DAC, and letting it bathe the room in Bliss.
If one finds satisfaction in the music reproduction at a given level, and they are truly satisfied, that is bliss.
Money does not need to be a major consideration in the world of music enjoyment, unless you let it get too involved
Guttenberg is correct: All You Need is Love
"Don't buy a new car, buy a dCS Bartok!" I listened to you (after a demo of course) and I bought it! Thanks for nudging me to get it. Great video!!!
Thank you for this interesting video John, congrats!
This is also yet another call out for people to take some time to actually enjoy what they do have and not constantly hang on analysing the flaws of their stuff. It is good to know that there are better things to look forward to, but if that thought prevents someone from enjoying the present moment, then it is just toxic and inhibits a sense of happiness.
Happy music listening to everyone!
Very well said! Thank you!
All of us are unique! The greatest takeaway from this insightful video. Thanks for creating and sharing 🙏🙏🙏
So audiophiles are like nested Russian dolls.
I sort of went through an inverse experience when a friend asked me to recommend components. So I gave him a short list based on 2 price ranges and felt rather smug. Of course he then proceeded to pick apart my choices and balked. I ended up recommending a cheaper solution that he ultimately was quite happy with especially after I helped him set it up in his home.
I ask them what they want. Their answer tells me alot of where they are at.
Painfully true! Far too much in life is judged by its price.
We all define value differently. The trick is not really to question how others define it; rather we should honestly reassess our own view of value periodically. Sometimes, we end up running down rabbits holes of our own making.
What a great piece!
In a parallel world, now I've retired I am considering replacing the classical guitar I bought with my first salary years ago. I'm planning to leapfrog past higher quality factory instruments to a commissioned luthier guitar. The difference in cost will be ~3.5k Sterling compared to ~800 to 1k.
Anyone who heard me play would know this is completely unjustified, but hey this is my Maserati!
Great video. Especially in times when we are thrown measurements by these websites and a lot of people boosting their ego depending on measurements.
Every person is different everyone has different priorities. Respect each other choices.
🤗👏👏👏👍THANKS JOHN…REWATCHING LOVED IT 💚THE FIRST TIME AND EVEN MORE THE SECOND TIME…💚 especially the ending 😁💚💚💚
This has to be one of the best clips, not only in your channel, but the Tube. It’s a life lesson or principle, doesn’t matter what you name it’s simply go live it and stop worrying about what other people think. If it matters to you that IS enough. Bravo!
Expensive Car, DAC and camera= rare triple idiot...
Getting more keen on DIY projects while aging only few can replicate.
Great vid keep em coming!
We’re all idiots since life is all about “point of reference”.
The law of diminishing returns generally applies to people who have a greater disposable income. If we were to apply Maslow’s “Hierarchy of Needs”, nothing in this materialistic world is something we all really need... since the definition of “need” is at a different level altogether, not directly tied to accumulation or level of wealth. Thanks for the video. I thoroughly enjoyed your discourse. Namaste.
You have just described the whole problem with social media. People become less empathetic when they could hide behind a computer or phone and comment to anyone about anything without actually engaging with or thinking about that other person's circumstances. It's so easy to dismiss and call someone an idiot - insulting commenters too easily dismiss. When we are forced to really engage with someone who we disagree with, I think it makes us more empathetic. I'm surprised you called that Maserati owner an idiot to his face - that comment could have easily started a fist fight and in the US of course, you very well have gotten shot. Great video, excellent examples and should be applied to all YT channels and other social media platforms of all subject matters across the board.
That's right. Social media kills empathy.
All I want to say is you make fantastic videos. Thank you
The only perfect answer to what someone needs is "It depends, what do you plan on doing with it?" Because only when you get the specifics of budget and intended use can you really answer the question. The chap with $100k to spend in search of the perfect listening room will want radically different gear than I do. I'm exceptionally pleased with my Samson SR850 headphones running through a 30 year old Kenwood amp, with a sub £100 DAC (SMSL M100 II) from my gaming machine, but the guy wanting perfection will not feel the same about my gear. The old standby of "Horses for courses" rings true for pretty well everything.
Philosophy from Darko.... You're correct of course. As some bloke in Judea once said two thousand years ago, "judge not, less you be judged yourself". If someone wants to spend their money on this hobby, yes it's a hobby, to squeeze the very best sound out of electrons and have the best ownership experience and still have resale value, and they can afford it, then all power to them.
Brilliant! Love that this topic is being discussed more as of recent. The attitude and perception of people you described is what presently does and continues to keep more new people from investing and enjoying this hobby of hifi. Great message.👍
I'm a real estate appraiser.
This was the most brilliant context for creating what "Value" vs. "Cost" is.
This should be mandatory ntroductory training for all Business Valuers, Equipment valuers and real estate appraisers.
I just bought an NAD 33. And I am now so settled about it after listening to your video...
Peace of mind is what I got!!!
Thanks John
So true! I think we should talk more about “sound value”. Just because something is a big pile of money, that does not mean that it is necessarily expensive. Sometimes it is the other way around. The value HIFI brings to a person, is also proportional with how much you love music and great sound, simple as that 😉. We all have our cravings and priorities in life. 😂
Much respect for turning the comments section back on!
This is great. Helpful audiophile advice as well as parables! 🙏
Man, I've learned so much from your channel in the short month that I've been watching your videos. It's been exponentially beneficial to my learning experience. I took on a second job so I could afford to upgrade my entry level system because the knowledge You've shared has so intrigued me. I'm using your reviews and suggestions to narrow my options and make a selection for my first real system. Keep brining the vids - live your content!
You are right - Audio people think they are special - bur car people and wine people think also they are special. So at the end it is a hobby and not a business. As long as you can enjoy what you have it is the right thing.
What you are insinuating is that salesmen are not going to be able to help us decide on certain products.
It is very easy to inform the other about your needs and then get a tip about the best thing that would fit those parameters.
The answer ? All you need is love . . . Thank you John, Paul, George & Ringo❗️
I have been watching your videos for awhile and always enjoy. They are thoughtful, and provide insights for consideration, in addition to objective technology analysis, as well as your enjoyable subjective evaluation. Really quality work sir. Thank you for your efforts.
I know "audiophiles" who spend a lot of time but little money. Income is a basic requirement, but attitudes may not be correlated with income.
I'd say that everybody designs their own "sweet spots" based on many factors.
And one thing I have observed in the blogosphere: getting expensive freebies de-sensitizes the reviewer's perception of value. There is the odd university students who tells you that this and the $1500 earphone cable is "instant gratification".
What I learnt in life: "instant gratification is for dummies".
So much deep thought required for selecting hifi equipment. Lots of $$$ needed too.
Perceived value is subjective. Who would have thought?
Spot on, John! Thanks for turning the comments back on. We all like what we like, and that's it! If it makes you happy, and is within your means.....so be it! Even if it's slightly beyond your means.........
Wisdom, not just for gear, but for life. Awesome JD. Thanks
Totally agree, excellent video John. Grazie.
Just bought my first new pair of tower speakers in 28 years! Odd thing is in 1992 i had no $ and spent $600 for the pair. Now in 2021 we are worth 7 digits + and I just spent $840 on new towers.
When i watch Thomas & Stereo videos he constantly mentions that now that he has spent so many thousands and hundreds of thousands on speakers and gear and heard it all the new challenge for him is budget gear that really gets close to the high end and really suprises him.
I don't like videos often, but this was incredibly insightful and full of wisdom. Thank you!
The question isn't "all you need is...", it's more "what you want to achieve and what is your budget for it".
One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
Gotta keep that quote close to heart.
Perfect. It's all about romantic longing for something just out of reach, and finally attaining it after struggle. It's what keeps the species alive. and Audio alive too.
Problem for me is more that people on either the same or less than me spending money they haven’t got on these crazy expensive things just to keep up with who they look up to, or the things they’ve been told to buy. Which like you said about diminishing returns is great because a lot of the time there is ways and means around those little extras sometimes, with cheaper versions, that can give you similar solutions to a problem you never new you had, which you never new you needed, which only makes you feel better. Haha
Sound principle. My mind was flooded with similar examples for both "wants" i.e. guitars, bicycles, coffee making tools, cookware, etc. as well "needs" i.e. home appliances, power tools, gardening tools, etc. I've always been an advocate of buying the product that closest meets my needs within budget.
It's not about money, it's about passion and to be smart.
Excellent video, thoroughly enjoyed your stories (that may or may not be true!) haha
this topic needed to be discussed , thanks john darko
Well said! Must be content (and enjoy the process of learning and tinkering!)
Spot on John and very well illustrated. With hi-if, it all boils down to how good it sounds to the person buying the equipment. I still have my original Pioneer AP710 system from the early 90s and it sounds wonderful to me paired with a CA Azure 851N network streamer to bring it into the modern age. As long as the components are well made and built to last and they sound great to you, that should be all that matters.
Great!!! I used a similar argument with my graduate economics students some time ago, except the “idiot” part (🤣). You nailed it from the economics point of view perfectly well!
Excellent metaphor and analysis. Thank you!
Love this video, very good perspective and insight on human nature that applies to many aspects of life. How's the saying go, "Those that seek to suppress your dreams are those that have forsaken their own"? Thank you John!
Beautifully put! And I love this solution to community that does not expose you directly to the torrent of internet sludge that would otherwise come your way.
John, thank you for preparing your detailed message shared in this video. I watched it once, and was left confused. After a second viewing, your message was clear.
Thank you for this excellent video. We could all use more of the care and tolerance that you're advocating for here. At the very least, you've given me a good frame for approaching disagreements like these! Love your work, hope to keep watching for a long time.
Couldn't say it clearer! Thanks!!!
Like the review I watched about the Warwick Acoustics Aperio. I couldn’t believe that anyone had enough money to buy it and the people that had that money wouldn’t be doing something better than putting on headphones. If I could afford it I would do it without a second thought, I have never heard anything better, not amps, speakers, dac’s, other headphones. One person’s daily budget is more than another’s year budget and yes it does the same job, just does it in such a way that you don’t want to go back to your old system.
These concepts are applicable for pretty much any interaction with anyone, ever.
Your knowledge, items, even music collection are all reference points developed over a lifetime. So share, don’t dictate and project.
Thanks Dr. Phil Darko. Clear and truly spoken.
I loved this video. One mans ceiling is another mans floor
Diminishing returns haven't kicked in yet for that coffee machine in the background 😆
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I also feel that there is a set of things for which it's "socially accepted" or even expected to splash money on. As one starts making a decent living, it'll be expected that they buy a decent car. Not a Mazeratti, but I feel like middle class people will easily spend 7 to 15k on a car and no one would be surprised or shocked. I just bought a fairly nice bike myself, for a 1000€ (which in the bike world is kind of entry level) and most of my friends think I'm nuts to have put that kind of money on a bike! Because we haven't been used to think about bikes as our primary mean of transportation and as a normal thing to put your money in, whereas cars have been a massive part of our western societies forever.
Coffee is a similar thing, if I buy a bag of nice beans for 14€ whereas the average is 5, some friends think I'm a mug. But at the end of the day it's like cooking, buying nice products to have a nice experience, and once again coffee is not something that our western society has classified in the same category as, say, a nice bottle of wine.
I liked a comment that has been attributed to Warren Buffet when he was apparently asked about Tesla. He said “he’d rather buy the shares than the car” or “the shares offer more value than the car” or something along those lines. Everyone including Buffet has a finite amount of money, time and interests.
We choose to spend the finite time and money we have on what interests us most. It could be travel, audio, a nicer house, a better car, children’s education etc.
Good morning world, I like being an idiot somewhere in the middle of everyone else and having fun with it, be happy with what you have and look forward to what's to come. Thank you John.
Thank you for making this video, John. Could not agree more.
Good talk. I'm being a bit pedantic but it's not exclusively about how much we earn but how much we have. Net worth influences our capacity to spend because it dictates how much discretion we have in our earnings.
"Love, love, love
Love, love, love
Love, love, love
There's nothin' you can do that can't be done
Nothin' you can sing that can't be sung
Nothin' you can say, but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy
Nothin' you can make that can't be made
No one you can save that can't be saved
Nothin' you can do, but you can learn how to be you in time
It's easy
All you need is love
All you need is love
All you need is love, love
Love is all you need
All you need is love
All you need is love
All you need is love, love
Love is all you need"
The upper echelon of any hobby is largely psychological. There is an equal, tangible, place where we can all be content and say this is all we "need", however some of us can actually afford to cross that line and delve in to the territory known as "want". "Want" may in fact be technically better, it may be measurably better, but it may not achieve any real difference in experience than what was achieved at the "need" status.
@John Darko you nailed it perfectly with this video utilizing two great stories. I 💯 percent agree, we must never recommend out of our own pockets but understand the perceived value potentially of a product/service for the person that may be interested in it! You rock man, keep up the great work that you and Oluv are doing. You continue to lead the charge for sensible audio education!! Much love ❤️
Spot on! though in your German comparison I think you forgot the e-scooters! I cant count how many times they almost ran me over when walking Friedrichstr back and forth from work and food.
Bravo. I am constantly called an idiot by my parents, my brother, my wife for my spending choices. Finally I have a proper riposte.
Wise. Thanks for those thoughts. From audio to daily living we all need to heed to those words.
🤔 VERY TRUE AND WISE WORDS ....THANKS FOR SHARING 😍😍😍
Through my eyes and ears I experience the greatest digital sound stage ever,AUM!