The problem with Elite Smash is you can be in the zone and have some nasty play styles, but if you don't consistently play the game and come back to it later, you're gonna fall off hard because of the jank ranking system.
Next time he does this I need to pop in with my 2.5 mil gsp. It's a wild land. One game you are playing against a cpt falcon who only knows how to press b, then the next you're against a peach practicing z-drop combos.
I’m practicing in arenas so if I clip someone at 7 million gsp and he thinks it’s like 11 million I would be really happy (but also I’m not perfect) and he probably would never guess it.
@@a1marine105 some players are the ones who don't stop rematching no matter how much they lose. They get stuck at a low gsp because of it fighting other crazy players who did the same thing. They end up playing so many matches that by even finding and beating a bad player at a low gsp, they'll barely gain any gsp at all
I think it’s a lot easier to guess GSP from a whole game, obviously it takes a lot more time to watch but even in low GSP ranges players can get random moments of greatness if they mash the right buttons to get a clip.
I love when pro players are like "he can do a combo, 12 mil easy" when literally the best Marth youve ever seen who absolutely will DUMPSTER you. Is randomly at like 6 mil for some reason.
@@cancrusherify no one specific. But youve never gone on with like randomly playing duck hunt or something at like 0GSP and you play someone and are like "what the hell are you doing at 6 or 8 million?"
@@cancrusherify singles is a mess. one game youll play someone that just started playing the game and the next game youll go against someone that hit pixel perfect combos with shiek
As a relative scrub with only a couple Elite Smash characters, it makes me happy to hear that some of these people in Quick Play are able to impress Marss. I swear to god they make my non-main characters sweat harder than in Elite Smash lmao
I live in the middle of nowhere, have fiber internet. Have gone to locals, have taken everyone to the last stock in normal offline, and slay them all in Fast smash. Fast smash is all myself and friends ever played growing up. My GSP is 5mil-11.7mil and I rarely hit elite smash. Our internet is controlled and censored, the lag spikes and input latency are awful even over fiber and it is rare that I see a lagless, non-hacked game. There are hundreds of things that need optimized for everyone to have a decent online experience: 1: They need to live close together. 2: The P2P connections need to not be thrown on the backburner by ISPs with their traffic shaping. 3: Every single switch that the connection is made through must not have 32 bit Broadcom outdated garbage NICs (they drop UDP packets and that contributes greatly to lag) 4: Everyone needs a concealed IP to stop DOS attacks. Edit: If we are playing a match together and you don't have a VPN, you can assume I know where you live. That shit is scary. 5: Nintendo and Akamai need to get their NTP servers and encrypted NTP protocol together and optimize it. 6: Nintendo needs to optimize their laggy backgrounds so they don't send thermal spikes to the Tegra CPU/GPU. 7: Nintendo needs more overhead in general on their graphics processing, partly because the network cards cause hiccups as well. 8: Background processes on the Switch need to quit pinging Nintendo servers, lagging out our Switches, or even trying to while their offline. 9: CPU AI needs to not be active when there is no CPU in a match between players. I swear the CPU gimps me offline by intentionally dropping frames or reading the input buffer. 10: Everyone needs an external cooling unit on their Switch. It seemingly mitigates buffer lag, and maybe causes desyncs when one player has cooling and the other doesn't. 11: Everyone needs Fiber internet with VLANs, firewall rules, and possibly a DNS sinkhole and Stratum 1 NTP connection. Edit: There are also TONS of router and firewall options that aren't available on ISP provided routers. I have accidentally tricked the online buffer system into just not working before using firewall rules, and a DNS sinkhole and it was pretty smooth. Maybe the other player also had his own hacks or anti-nintendo DNS rules. Ones that come immediately to mind is mbufclusters, dfbit compatibility, hardware offloading, VLAN priorities, bandwidth storm control, port forwarding, Manual NAT, proxies (Squid Proxy gives my Nintendo Switch 120 Mb/s Downloading and 60 Mb/s upload) and possibly VPN connectivity.
When I've seen this type of video done in the past, they usually watch full games. Clips that are like 30 seconds long tend to just be a highlight rather than show the player's true skill
I play Falcon baked af, no brain activity at all and still am at 12.5 mil GSP while still getting destroyed by Practice Mode nerds, says a lot about society and Smash Online
I dont play online at all since my switch is at work, so hearing marss say i do, what high level players do, made me feel good, then he immediately would just shit on all of us calling 12mil+ trash and saying anyone could be elite. Feelsbadman
What the first few minutes of this video tell me is that Marss IS NOT ready to see 2M GSP players, he just can't comprehend it. I played on a buddy account the other day at his place, and you just forget the type of player you were after years of Elite and watching proplay.
If the loss scale for GSP wasn't so skewed, half these bozos would be in the mid 11 low 12 million, but losing 400k vs gaining 50k means you have 4 bad games and you can ruin your elite status until you win another 10 without a loss. Also... region is a huge factor. I visited north carolina from Florida and got a lot more Midwest garbage in the 11 million and 12 million range that would be 8 million down south.
@fullysemiautomatic the other issue is if you've played a LOT of games at low GSP.... (my Marth was the first character I played in this game and I put dozens of hours in at 5 million... I think I'm at 30 or 40 wins in a row and I'm at 10 million on him... meanwhile one game on corrin and I'm at 11.6 🙄 Eventually you hit a weird ratio that you start losing less points overall, but your time invested is so high that the GSP system rewards you exponentially... some of the 12 million players that marss thought were lower probably just have stupid time on one character
Does Marss not realize that the bottom of Quick Play GSP is 2Mil, not like 8 or whatever? I guess he might remember it having a range of a few Mil years ago and assumed it was the same.
If you are stuck at 10mil with your main and you play a decent amount it is copium. If you actually want to get more gsp but you are stuck it means you are doing something very wrong, even if you dont see it.
@@BeynT. Yeah I think you might be right, i feel so much better than these people so there must be a huge flaw in my gameplay that i'm just not realising
I know for sure I'm not a great player, but I have all characters in Elite. GSP in Elite only means general character competence, or game knowledge(reading others and neutral) not necessarily both.
Or just how long you're willing to sit there and play. A bad player can get elite by just playing until by some luck he only fights people worse than him doing the same thing. From my experience you also find alot of people try way harder pre elite smash than in elite smash
@@hunbi1875 yup I’ll be playing my bad characters at around 7 or 8 mil and be getting hit by things like Roy jab-back air or joker drag down combos, like how do you know how to do these things and you’re not in elite lmao
In today's episode, Marss learns that us trash players have really high GSPs. Mostly because we play against other trash players with high GSPs.
Melffy Rabby :3
i swear i’ll see a streamer in elite and he’s fighting babies that somehow got in there
@@lucas_padanski4773 you are the only person who has known this in my youtube history of commenting
You not trash bro stop trying to meat munch😂
The problem with Elite Smash is you can be in the zone and have some nasty play styles, but if you don't consistently play the game and come back to it later, you're gonna fall off hard because of the jank ranking system.
“A lot of variance in that next digit” might be the most intelligent sounding thing I’ve heard from this humble man
Next time he does this I need to pop in with my 2.5 mil gsp.
It's a wild land.
One game you are playing against a cpt falcon who only knows how to press b, then the next you're against a peach practicing z-drop combos.
I hate those so much lol
RIGHT? I will always rematch the peach, leaving me at 2mil
I’m practicing in arenas so if I clip someone at 7 million gsp and he thinks it’s like 11 million I would be really happy (but also I’m not perfect) and he probably would never guess it.
Marss misses Panda quizzes as much as we do
Well so just do them without panda? You can collab without having to be in the same corporation.
If there was ever an example for how GSP doesn’t reflect your skill level, I think this video would be it
I fought a crazy Mario player that was in somehow 2mil gsp and I was confused on why he was so low
@@a1marine105 When you spend most of your time playing against chads, it's ezpz to tank to a camper lol
Also how 1 clip doesn’t reflect skill level
@@a1marine105 Idk why but I find those too
@@a1marine105 some players are the ones who don't stop rematching no matter how much they lose. They get stuck at a low gsp because of it fighting other crazy players who did the same thing. They end up playing so many matches that by even finding and beating a bad player at a low gsp, they'll barely gain any gsp at all
6:40
Ah yes, the sacred Lucina combo.
Down Air into Down Air into Down Air.
I've never seen Marss compliment and be nice to so many people, which, for this type of content, is even more impressive.
Please make this a series, it’s honestly so helpful for new players trying to get better and break habits and it’s entertaining as hell
Poppt also has a whole series on this
I think it’s a lot easier to guess GSP from a whole game, obviously it takes a lot more time to watch but even in low GSP ranges players can get random moments of greatness if they mash the right buttons to get a clip.
He made a tweet on Twitter guys
"It's not even elite and I'm impressed" marss in shambles 😂
If you do this again, I think it'd be more fun to guess "Elite Smash" or "Not Elite Smash", with the actual GSP being the bonus point
I know it'd take a lot more time, but watching whole games instead of clips would probably make this a lot better for Marss.
19:16 - 10 million in GSP
17 million in my heart for music choice👌💜
thanks, american football do go crazy
As a Ganon main I can agree
Great video! Would be fun to watch longer clips (like a whole stock) before guessing too.
That would mean longer boring clips & less clips in general, maybe not a good idea. Also, most of us are here to see Marss kinda skill level anyways.
Woulda seen the stuff b4 the footstool lol
The Pikachu with 12.6 millions GSP was beyond impressive 😁👍🏻
Almost like he's a pro player or somethin
That guy's a pro. They're known for being the 2nd best Pikachu player behind Esam
I love your videos, so glad to see this kind of video from you. PLEASE make this into a series, that'd be epic
Guess the GSP content is always really fun, I hope to see more
13:39-14:25 not being called a scrub from marss is a win in my book! Hehe 😅😅
Everyone's favorite chess series finally makes it's debut in smash :D
MY THOUGHT EXACTLY
Poppt1 made an entire series on this. Glad to see marss is doing it too now, I love the concept
Yeah this has already been a thing in smash bros lol
I really want to see a melee player do this since they have actual ranked based on elo
Those two sephiroths actually were hysterical
I love when pro players are like "he can do a combo, 12 mil easy" when literally the best Marth youve ever seen who absolutely will DUMPSTER you. Is randomly at like 6 mil for some reason.
Lol what? Who?
@@cancrusherify no one specific. But youve never gone on with like randomly playing duck hunt or something at like 0GSP and you play someone and are like "what the hell are you doing at 6 or 8 million?"
@@cancrusherify singles is a mess. one game youll play someone that just started playing the game and the next game youll go against someone that hit pixel perfect combos with shiek
I laughed so hard. Gotta do this one again soon!!!
Alternative title: marrs learns that tech doesn’t matter in online
Player: 0 to deaths opponent.
Marss: Lol you suck
A Poppt1 CLASSIC
tfw marss thinks your scrubby 7m gsp ass is a 12 million gsp elite smash clip fisher 🤩
As a relative scrub with only a couple Elite Smash characters, it makes me happy to hear that some of these people in Quick Play are able to impress Marss. I swear to god they make my non-main characters sweat harder than in Elite Smash lmao
Bro this video is funny, im baked af rn and dying
This is very fun. The clips without neutral seem impossible to guess.
4:30
Marss: "Ok well that guy is like 1"
well done, you can read
“The fact you made it this far proves Wi-Fi is a sham”
him saying that you couldnt get past 12.5 confused me so much because my plant is at 14m. i guess elite has evolved quickly
I love how marss asks for clips from all his loving fans and then proceeds to absolutely shit on them
That last clip felt personal. Like the Doom music kicked in the K. Rool players mind.
Marss may have been a dominatrix in his past life from all the belittling he has done this video.
7:12 GOT ME💀
I did not expect to find the best Valorant clip I've ever seen here, but I'm not disappointed
Lmao shinymark JV4 goes unnoticed
Bro initiated my nostalgia with the DS shop music at the end
Mars your a young man. It's not too late to get keeps. I can see the thinning hair!
that hero vs roy clip was beautiful af
I live in the middle of nowhere, have fiber internet. Have gone to locals, have taken everyone to the last stock in normal offline, and slay them all in Fast smash. Fast smash is all myself and friends ever played growing up. My GSP is 5mil-11.7mil and I rarely hit elite smash. Our internet is controlled and censored, the lag spikes and input latency are awful even over fiber and it is rare that I see a lagless, non-hacked game. There are hundreds of things that need optimized for everyone to have a decent online experience:
1: They need to live close together.
2: The P2P connections need to not be thrown on the backburner by ISPs with their traffic shaping.
3: Every single switch that the connection is made through must not have 32 bit Broadcom outdated garbage NICs (they drop UDP packets and that contributes greatly to lag)
4: Everyone needs a concealed IP to stop DOS attacks. Edit: If we are playing a match together and you don't have a VPN, you can assume I know where you live. That shit is scary.
5: Nintendo and Akamai need to get their NTP servers and encrypted NTP protocol together and optimize it.
6: Nintendo needs to optimize their laggy backgrounds so they don't send thermal spikes to the Tegra CPU/GPU.
7: Nintendo needs more overhead in general on their graphics processing, partly because the network cards cause hiccups as well.
8: Background processes on the Switch need to quit pinging Nintendo servers, lagging out our Switches, or even trying to while their offline.
9: CPU AI needs to not be active when there is no CPU in a match between players. I swear the CPU gimps me offline by intentionally dropping frames or reading the input buffer.
10: Everyone needs an external cooling unit on their Switch. It seemingly mitigates buffer lag, and maybe causes desyncs when one player has cooling and the other doesn't.
11: Everyone needs Fiber internet with VLANs, firewall rules, and possibly a DNS sinkhole and Stratum 1 NTP connection.
Edit: There are also TONS of router and firewall options that aren't available on ISP provided routers. I have accidentally tricked the online buffer system into just not working before using firewall rules, and a DNS sinkhole and it was pretty smooth. Maybe the other player also had his own hacks or anti-nintendo DNS rules. Ones that come immediately to mind is mbufclusters, dfbit compatibility, hardware offloading, VLAN priorities, bandwidth storm control, port forwarding, Manual NAT, proxies (Squid Proxy gives my Nintendo Switch 120 Mb/s Downloading and 60 Mb/s upload) and possibly VPN connectivity.
GSP is not a testament of skill, it's a testament of how cheesy you can play
Kirby air ride music makes me happy
I’ve never played Elite Smash so some of my characters are at 6 mil, some at 8 mil, and some at 2 mil.
2:09 probably a new player to online but is already good and probably at the time this video is released is in elite
Poppt1 needs some credit
When I've seen this type of video done in the past, they usually watch full games. Clips that are like 30 seconds long tend to just be a highlight rather than show the player's true skill
I should have put my 3 mil gsp pichu in here
Watching this video while playing an elite Terry with ungodly lag at 12.8 mil GSP that OOS jab jab power dunked his way to victory.
I play Falcon baked af, no brain activity at all and still am at 12.5 mil GSP while still getting destroyed by Practice Mode nerds, says a lot about society and Smash Online
19:35 he did die, i just cut it cause I posted it somewhere else. on the original I think there were 2 death sparks
it's almost as if gsp doesn't determine skill level
The shinymark Pikachu clip was a jv4
19:18 that is such a niche meme
That pit player popping off i don’t get what was so exciting
Will we get a brand new batch of Subscribe bits with this new Marss era? I'd love that
People who want to practice are always in discord calls in a battle arena
This was a cool video you should do another
10:56 Hero might've been conditioning him with shorthop uncharged side b would've hit him from there
Hell yea this was amazing!!!
Japan’s highest GSP shows up as 12.6, Meanwhile Yoshidora is in the 12.7s💀
This video kinda proves that GSP only matters on a more grand scale rather than specifics (and by that token it’s not all that important
Btw. The music for the Ganon clip was Never Meant- American Football. Pretty classic Midwest emo
poppt1 is in shambles
Little does he know that the best players are hidden at 1 million gsp
Kirby's icon should change when he swallows an ability
My DK is also 12.6. I’m glad to know that means I can also beat ShinyMark. Thank you, Marss!
you can tell this was supposed to be a panda video
smash ultimate might be the only serious game i’ve ever seen where skill is regularly an awful indicator of elo
I haven’t played the game in a year before yesterday and I still beat 11.5 million players. GSP doesn’t mean anything
Even I got into elite with some characters after a while. Then I never play with them again
woah buddy, im a scrub and I know what an empty hop is
surprisingly fun
I'm okay with being a masher.
Never meant in the context of a smash clip is so fucking cursed
I dont play online at all since my switch is at work, so hearing marss say i do, what high level players do, made me feel good, then he immediately would just shit on all of us calling 12mil+ trash and saying anyone could be elite. Feelsbadman
Okay but I’ve had some hype ass players in the 6-8 mil range and some brain dead matches in the 12 mil lol
What the first few minutes of this video tell me is that Marss IS NOT ready to see 2M GSP players, he just can't comprehend it.
I played on a buddy account the other day at his place, and you just forget the type of player you were after years of Elite and watching proplay.
If the loss scale for GSP wasn't so skewed, half these bozos would be in the mid 11 low 12 million, but losing 400k vs gaining 50k means you have 4 bad games and you can ruin your elite status until you win another 10 without a loss.
Also... region is a huge factor. I visited north carolina from Florida and got a lot more Midwest garbage in the 11 million and 12 million range that would be 8 million down south.
Yo the gsp system is so ass ur right I’m at 12.6 and Sometimes it’ll take me 5 or 6 games to make back the gsp I lost from one game it’s annoying
@fullysemiautomatic the other issue is if you've played a LOT of games at low GSP.... (my Marth was the first character I played in this game and I put dozens of hours in at 5 million... I think I'm at 30 or 40 wins in a row and I'm at 10 million on him... meanwhile one game on corrin and I'm at 11.6 🙄
Eventually you hit a weird ratio that you start losing less points overall, but your time invested is so high that the GSP system rewards you exponentially... some of the 12 million players that marss thought were lower probably just have stupid time on one character
Yeah I'm in nyc with my lucina at around 12.5 million gsp rn. Very hard to go higher since everyone is insane here
As someone who bounces in and out of elite smash, it seems like a lot of the players at 11 mil are better than some of the players at 12.5 mil.
Does Marss not realize that the bottom of Quick Play GSP is 2Mil, not like 8 or whatever? I guess he might remember it having a range of a few Mil years ago and assumed it was the same.
Nobody noticed shinymark jv4'd that poor ken
There was a lie in this video, for I am a scrub who knows the term empty hop
bruh i swear i am so much better than all these 12 million gsp people but i can't get past like 10 mil... maybe it's just copium lol
Nah that's exactly how I feel lol. I'd beat these guys as Marth but when I play Sonic? Eeehhh still working on some things.
If you are stuck at 10mil with your main and you play a decent amount it is copium. If you actually want to get more gsp but you are stuck it means you are doing something very wrong, even if you dont see it.
@@BeynT. Yeah I think you might be right, i feel so much better than these people so there must be a huge flaw in my gameplay that i'm just not realising
marss making his own panda video
I know for sure I'm not a great player, but I have all characters in Elite. GSP in Elite only means general character competence, or game knowledge(reading others and neutral) not necessarily both.
Or just how long you're willing to sit there and play. A bad player can get elite by just playing until by some luck he only fights people worse than him doing the same thing. From my experience you also find alot of people try way harder pre elite smash than in elite smash
@@hunbi1875 yup I’ll be playing my bad characters at around 7 or 8 mil and be getting hit by things like Roy jab-back air or joker drag down combos, like how do you know how to do these things and you’re not in elite lmao
“Panda” Marss hmmm?
please get light on and you guys can compete for who guesses better
I love this
Did Marss realize the ShinyMark clip was a JV4?
Marss left panda? I notice wadi did
We get to still watch the smash content though right? Best of luck marss, any organization would be lucky to have you!
Bruhhh. I main Pit and that other Pit in the second clip is definitely better than me but I'm also 10 mil
It’s because my clip was from over a year ago and I wasn’t sure what to put.
I see I see. Anyways you're cracked dude, I love to see other Pit players do good
@@acegeyer2820 I appreciate it!
4:25 damn king_chris wtf happened
Poppt1?
I need to submit a clip next time
I had 2 mil GSP at my first tournament and I went 1-2 😂💀
Someone out there should have a 420 score