This is the first time I have heard of this project, and what you have done so far is really impressive. Good luck with it, and I hope you get this finished and put out there. In terms of the choices, I suggest doing whatever it takes to stop Activision from trying to shut down the project. I honestly don't trust them at all. @@Galejro
I vote for option 4. I loved Redemption, it introduced me to VTM, but from what I see, you have the chance to create something new and possibly even superior, considering the limitations they had at the time and the lack of faithfulness to the original material. This could be an opportunity for all of us to play a VTM role-playing game on PC after so many years, especially given the low expectations I have for Bloodlines 2 :( Whatever the final choice will be, thank you for the work you are doing, congratulations and good luck!
@@hansmoleman2666 I wouldn't call it awful at all, but 1 and 2 are very underrated for sure, especially when compared to the massive hype for the third. 1 was certainly clunky and storytelling was disjointed and at times downright confusing, but it had the great atmosphere and actual character developments of a great indie flick, that big budget blockbusters can't reproduce. 2 was actually very impressive for its time on a technical level, story was more concise but not lacking in scope. And 3 was a massive improvement on all technical aspects, but very polished and streamlined, to a point of feeling sterile. When it comes to occasional replays for a few hours, I always go to the first. But nostalgia may play a role for sure.
My vote is option 4. I still think that there should still be a time skip since no other game these days really tries something like this, but play with that idea in your own way. For everyone to create their own character but still experience the daunting setting change of medieval times to 90s New York or whatever city you end up using. With the utter disappointment of Vampire the masquerade 2 on the horizon, you're the last shimmer of hope for Bloodlines fans.
It's really an (almost) all or nothing option for me - either a suitably close enough recreation of the original game (Option 1), or a completely original story in the spirit of the original (Option 4).
As so many below I also chose 4, I loved redemption and count it as one of the games that meant most to me but you guys have the chance to create something new in the spirit of redemption..... I think it's the greatest homage you can give Redemption.
I vote 4. Took me a long time to decide between that and 1, but eventually I figured that, clunky though it may be, Redemption already exists, and I can always just play it if I want to. A completely new VTM story made by people who actually care (unlike Bloodlines 2 is shaping up to be, by all appearances) is a treat too good to miss out on.
Redemption was my first introduction to the world and this is the first I heard someone was even trying to remake it. I would love to see option 1 and then leading onto option 4. But maybe option 4 with the same/similar idea/flow as the original would be really good
Not copyright infringement, but they might try patent infringement for original mechanics, similar to how Nintendo is suing Palworld for Pokemon patent infringement.
4, don't get me wrong, I'd be excited for 1 too, but my vote's going for 4. Not just because of the laglities but because bloodlines 2 is-well you know and it'd be cool to make my own character in the datk ages.
Option 4. You guys are doing so much that i would love to see what else you come up with. I would miss some of the old coterie, but i think getting to explore some new stuff would be great. My desire to play as a lasombra may also have a small part to play in this.
A remake of Redemption is what caught my attention in the first place, but I'd be interested in seeing what you make either way. My vote really depends on how much you would have to cut and butcher the story to create something close to the first game. We might be better off with a spiritual successor, legally speaking at the very least. I've been impressed so far so I'm sure whatever you end up doing will be worth keeping an eye on.
I was worried that this project would be abandoned like so many others and love seeing that you guys are making so much progress in such short time! This has so much potential both as a "Remake" as well as a template for you to continue making new awesome VTM & WoD content! 🦇🖤
Can't wait. I think you should do it the safest way legal-wise. It is quite disheartening to hit that kind of a roadblock and need to remake some work that was already done. (i would be fine with option 4)
Either option 4 or option 1. I have high confidence in your team to faithfully recreate the original or make an entierly new game. I am personaly more interested in making my own character and exploring a lore acurate world of darkness with an original story. I understand many are fans of the original redemtion but i believe your team can maitain the themes of the original while working with unrestricted freedom. As you have said the legality of this progect has already forced you to change some things and that is partially why my 1st pick is for option 4.
Many years back now I wanted to do a remaster of VTM:R in a custom engine based on Quake 2 source code, if memory serves. The legality was an absolute nightmare to navigate and ultimately all our work ended up being reused as mods for the original game. Activision is probably second only to EA with being a nightmare to deal with. Stripping out all IP they could come after you for is a smart move. I ended up developing my own IP that I now play as a tabletop alternative to White Wolf's VTM, I gave up long ago trying to keep it 100% legal issue free, it's for my own use and none of it has been or will be published anyway. This is the major issue with indy/mod community development, IPs sit on shelves for decades but none of the IP holders will allow anyone else to do anything with them and they vehemently go after anyone who so much as sneezes in the direction of using something they can prove in a court is theirs. Been following for a while now, you have my utmost interest and support. Good luck to you all!
I finished playing VTMR earlier this week and I can't wait to be able to eventually play the mod when its finished. It looks really awesome so far, Skyrim as a base was a really good pick for an undertaking like this. Edit: Option 1, no doubt about it. I do not wish to see the story and themes of the original game detracted or entirely butchered with Options 2 or 3. I came for VTMR, so I would want this project to be as close to VTMR as it possibly can be. It's a shame my favorite coterie members, Samuel and Lily will have to be axed no matter what option. I don't know that much about the actual lore of World of Darkness as I've only played VTMB and VTMR, so take my next opinion for a grain of salt, but I also heavily detest the idea of Serena surviving to the modern age instead of Wilhem. I don't think it'd make much sense both canonically (from my limited knowledge) and thematically since Cappridocians were nearly completely wiped out somehow and because Wilhem is the one who first talked with Christof about the Road of Humanitatis near the beginning of his unlife, which is referred back to when we reunite with Wilhem, now aligned with the Sabbat under Ecaterina, in modern times. I don't think Serena could have that same kind of pay-off in the story. I know character depth wasn't the original game's strong suit, but in terms of all the coterie members, Serena had the least going on, she just wasn't that interesting to me. I know rewrites of the story are happening, but I'd still opt to use whoever is replacing Wilhem in this particular aspect of the game's story. tl;dr The story beats should remain the same, characters should also remain true to their original personalities but be given more depth that helps elevate the themes of guilt and redemption in unlife VTMR prominently has. Option 1 all the way. Option 4 is second best especially if the team is itching to make new stories and new characters. I wouldn't mind seeing what would come of this, but I'm mostly just looking for a good remake of this classic game. Thanks for the update, it was fun seeing what was new and what was changed from the last one. I wish the best of luck on both legal and development sides of the project since a lot of these sorts of things falter and are never finished for one reason or another. I hope I'll be able to play this as a finished remake of VTMR in the future :)
Serena is mentioned in another canonical WoD work, making her safe territory. We looked at every character, and if they were not mentioned outside of the original video game, they had to be cut.
Gotta vote for 4. The original idea would've been amazing, but ultimately, we already have Redemption at home. I'd rather have something new than "almost Redemption".
I vote 4: As much as I would love to have a full redo of the original Redemption game, part of me wants a fully realized new concept, characters, places, and story. The work you've done on this is incredible! I only wish I had known about this project years ago because I would've tried my hand at helping - unfortunately, that cannot happen now. The fact you're using Skyrim as a base made me smile.
Option 1 for sure. Option 4 or 3 would be better for a spin off if you ever feel like doing another project afterward. I personally followed this project for Christof and Anezka, and the love story which made me sit through Redemption's uneven gameplay, so that's what I'd love to see. Best of luck, either way!
I really love the complication during the feeding mechanic. May I suggest that some area may be more at risk or other less. Like feeding in the middle of a decent neighbourhood (like a solitude) I don't know if there is any place in the game currently where an area is believe to be live in by upper class folks. You could have like different sort of urban locals, like Slums, -- highest risk of disease but no risk of masquerade....-- while a neighborhood with more wealthy people might have more presence of security, night watch and more chance for breaking the masquerade. Also maybe if there is such a thing...Rural vs Urban settlement -- Rural may have less of a chance of breaking the law, and/or breaking the masquerade because of remoteness to sheriff or any sort of re-inforcement for lawmen or whatever. But maybe Rural folk are more traditional and superstitious with the likelihood of having true faith. Like breaking and entering a home with a home owner of true faith may reveal you as a creature of the night. Maybe True Faith NPC have a very high level of perception and may industand what you are. While maybe the people in the city or the aristocrat who indulge in all their vices maybe be more succeptable to your vampire manipulation, and very rarely equip with true faith. More security, Less chance of getting disease, but more chance of breaking the law. But all of that might be way outside the scope of this mod. Anyways you guys are amazing everything you are doing with this mod is crazy amazing to me.
As a Fan of the original White Wolf World of Darkness and into the Skyrim modding scene, I am really impressed with this project. Well done guys, I'm looking forward to playing this one day.
Adding to the choir I think you should either do 1 or 4, in my opinion as someone who hasn't played Redemption, I would love to play it in this Black Mesa esque version, however if that isn't feasible, then do 4.
I think this is by far one of the most impressive mods ever. Really well done guys, the community built around this is so positive and I'm glad to be along for the ride. Best of luck with development, I cannot wait to play this!
Only just discovered your project but this honestly seems like good news to me. Since so much of the original game leaned in to Masquerade canon, being freed of the obligation to adapt the vanilla storyline with-you know-actual sophisticated writing, your team can go to town now, poring through all those wonderful source books and making something completely unique. You've got license now to improve on the original in any way you deem fit.
Option 3 or 4 are a total win, for me. You guys get to make a project that keep the spirit of the original, without the fear and uncertainty that dealing with two of the most greedy an litigious companies in the videogame industry. You also dodge any possible comparison bias from the players or the creative chains that making a remake brings. Us players and supporters, on the other hand, get to play and enjoy a true product of passion. EDIT: Yeah Yeah... no such things as option 5. Got it! 🤣
Option 4 seems like the best bet. It's the least likely to have any potential legal issues, and it allows for more writing freedom. If you can't basically remake Redemption, then you may as well make your own game with its own interesting storyline and characters, not restricted to the original plot or pre-existing characters.
I go with the 4 , I think all of you are doing the best to maintain the spirit of the world of darkness and would be a pleasure a game create by fans for fans with new stories . People could vote through the process about for example the cities and other things . How about Venice - renaissance times(giovanni) - Salamanca / Inquisition times (La sombra) - Seul / 21th century (ventrue/toreador) and Los angeles ( the end with the fallen angel-boss final) you can even expand the editions with more cities and stories :) I'd would pay money for that 100%.
It is really exciting for me to see this project have been developed this far. I'd definitely stick with Option 1, and in Option 1, you can also add VTM DA and Modern materials while sticking to the original story too. Thanks for your hardwork!
I vote for option 4, I never played the original and really only approached this project because I have wanted for years to play a true vampire game that wasn't bloodlines (bloodlines 2 looks seems like a failure already). In my opinion creating your own game and just using the mechanics from WOD is something we will never see from major corporation devs again and yalls team seem like the only ones willing to do the work to make a vampire game that all of the fans will love and enjoy. Its my hope that if you go about making your own game we will see options never presented in "offical" content. personally I want to play as a Tzimicse in a video game and option 4 gives me the best chance at that.
Wow the amount of love and care has gone into this is amazing, and the fact we're seeing how the mod is becoming its own thing is perfect.... sadly we cant say that about bloodlines 2
I can't believe I just found this. I spent years on the original, and learning to make maps and building a whole city in there. This is so exciting, even with the issues you encountered
I have never fully experienced VTM: Redemption. I watched Outstar play it over a century ago and enjoyed it for the most part so I definitely will not be upset with a more faithful recreation. But both that Let's play she played and the game itself were made in different times. Now companies like to have a stranglehold on their IP's and are perfectly ok with sacrificing good faith with their customers. More than anything I want this game to be made with no strings attached, no corporate bastards mandating yours or our fun. My vote is either Option 2 to have Christoff and his story returned to us with less anxiety of needing to kiss up to Activision, or, if there is even the slightest complication, my choice is number 4. If I were to be specific about Number 2, I think a happy middle ground, plot wise, is to make Christoff our central protagonist, starting and ending with him, and in the middle we play as a custom character handling a similar or related problem whom we can then later recruit as Christoff. We can have both an established protag and then one of our own invention within the same coterie.
Option 4 is the most interesting one to me, but I think that's cause I'm just hungry for a new vtm game with actual character creation and an unvoiced protag.
Once again passionate nodders making a real video game with much more effort and faster than any major game studio can in the last ten years ( Except for from software, they're the real deal)
Option 4 Cut loose and enjoy the freedom you have! You can still pay homage and respect the original very easily this way, yet still explore exciting story ideas without your hands being tied! Go for it!
Cautiously but optimistically voting for number 4 as that has the most potential and the safest bet in my eyes, though if wanting to stick to the remake route then 1 would be the ideal. I know the original point of the project was to be a remake of this game, and as much as I would love to see that vision come true, I do feel like the legality of it is too temperamental to reliably feel safe pursuing a super faithful remake and I think the absolute worst outcome that I have been dreading the thought of for awhile now would be to see this project and all this work get shut down because one of the IP holders changed their mind on permissions for whatever reason, which we see happen all the time unfortunately. That's the cynical reason why I'd lean towards 4. However the very positive and perhaps overly ambitious reason is that I think with all of this groundwork laid out into ironing out the mechanical foundation of the game that's detached from the main plot itself, there's serious potential here for an entirely new story and content set in this universe with a lot of work and care put into the feel of it to make it fit into the World of Darkness proper. Also all of the creative and narrative freedom for you guys to do what you want with it and to also maybe extend that freedom to the players to have a solid VtM roleplaying experience. Ultimately though, that all comes down to what the team feels they can realistically and reasonably see through and write for this and what your main goals and ambitions with the project are. With all of the passion and effort and care for making this fit the WoD feel and lore, I think either route will turn out fantastic and will be a worthwhile experience that I'm looking forward to.
Not at all surprised Activision are being dicks about this.
Neither are we, thats why we've been plotting alternatives for over 2 years
This is the first time I have heard of this project, and what you have done so far is really impressive. Good luck with it, and I hope you get this finished and put out there.
In terms of the choices, I suggest doing whatever it takes to stop Activision from trying to shut down the project. I honestly don't trust them at all. @@Galejro
@@Galejroit’s got nothing to do with being dicks. If a US company allows others to use their name, they forfeit their exclusive rights to it.
@@TorQueMoD that's not at all how it works lmao
I expect they sue these boys
I vote for option 4. I loved Redemption, it introduced me to VTM, but from what I see, you have the chance to create something new and possibly even superior, considering the limitations they had at the time and the lack of faithfulness to the original material. This could be an opportunity for all of us to play a VTM role-playing game on PC after so many years, especially given the low expectations I have for Bloodlines 2 :(
Whatever the final choice will be, thank you for the work you are doing, congratulations and good luck!
Thank for allowing me to help with the soundtrack
Exzellent mate
Did you use Suno or Udio for this song?
Your work is marvelous. These Are My Sewers is such a vibe!
Thank you for using your skillset to better the project
The way the beat syncs with the trailer is masterful
Majority of Witcher 3 devs started out as modders of Witcher 1 and 2. Just saying....
Nice job ;)
I can believe that, because Witcher 3 is fucking awful compared to 1 and 2.
@@hansmoleman2666 Story and maybe the mood and music in Witcher 1 was the only thing I liked in the game. Everything else was clunky af
@@hansmoleman2666 Lol you're absolutely on one, ain't no way that's a real opinion
@@hansmoleman2666 I wouldn't call it awful at all, but 1 and 2 are very underrated for sure, especially when compared to the massive hype for the third. 1 was certainly clunky and storytelling was disjointed and at times downright confusing, but it had the great atmosphere and actual character developments of a great indie flick, that big budget blockbusters can't reproduce. 2 was actually very impressive for its time on a technical level, story was more concise but not lacking in scope. And 3 was a massive improvement on all technical aspects, but very polished and streamlined, to a point of feeling sterile. When it comes to occasional replays for a few hours, I always go to the first. But nostalgia may play a role for sure.
@@boodleboy They are good games that I liked especially 2 but the love of 1 I want call it nostilgia but its definitely and acquired taste
My vote is option 4. I still think that there should still be a time skip since no other game these days really tries something like this, but play with that idea in your own way. For everyone to create their own character but still experience the daunting setting change of medieval times to 90s New York or whatever city you end up using. With the utter disappointment of Vampire the masquerade 2 on the horizon, you're the last shimmer of hope for Bloodlines fans.
It's really an (almost) all or nothing option for me - either a suitably close enough recreation of the original game (Option 1), or a completely original story in the spirit of the original (Option 4).
As so many below I also chose 4, I loved redemption and count it as one of the games that meant most to me but you guys have the chance to create something new in the spirit of redemption..... I think it's the greatest homage you can give Redemption.
Plan 4 all the way! Let your creativity run wild and surprise us.
I vote 4.
Took me a long time to decide between that and 1, but eventually I figured that, clunky though it may be, Redemption already exists, and I can always just play it if I want to. A completely new VTM story made by people who actually care (unlike Bloodlines 2 is shaping up to be, by all appearances) is a treat too good to miss out on.
Option 4. No need to to take risks, the potential of this project looks amazing. It would be horrible if it had to be shut down.
4. We need our own characters, im fine with silent protagonist or a prerecorded male and female voice
Redemption was my first introduction to the world and this is the first I heard someone was even trying to remake it. I would love to see option 1 and then leading onto option 4. But maybe option 4 with the same/similar idea/flow as the original would be really good
4 i dont trust companies to not go back on their word at the last minute
I pick 4. I don't trust Microsoft Activision Blizzard anymore. The company can't issue a cease-and-desist for using the original mechanics.
Not copyright infringement, but they might try patent infringement for original mechanics, similar to how Nintendo is suing Palworld for Pokemon patent infringement.
4, don't get me wrong, I'd be excited for 1 too, but my vote's going for 4. Not just because of the laglities but because bloodlines 2 is-well you know and it'd be cool to make my own character in the datk ages.
Option 4. You guys are doing so much that i would love to see what else you come up with. I would miss some of the old coterie, but i think getting to explore some new stuff would be great. My desire to play as a lasombra may also have a small part to play in this.
Holy fuck this is good.
A remake of Redemption is what caught my attention in the first place, but I'd be interested in seeing what you make either way. My vote really depends on how much you would have to cut and butcher the story to create something close to the first game. We might be better off with a spiritual successor, legally speaking at the very least. I've been impressed so far so I'm sure whatever you end up doing will be worth keeping an eye on.
Thank you for this work! I`m following this channel for 2 years now)
please: option 1 and 4
My vote would either be option 1 or 4.
I wish 1 AND 4 could happen, lol.
I’m extremely interested in options 3 & 4, especially when the project is as open and transparent as it is.
I was worried that this project would be abandoned like so many others and love seeing that you guys are making so much progress in such short time! This has so much potential both as a "Remake" as well as a template for you to continue making new awesome VTM & WoD content! 🦇🖤
Excellent work! Regarding the options, I would prefer the option 1, but that might put You in legal jeopardy, so option 4 is also absolutely fine.
Option 4 would be the best and the safest, the WoD is rich enough that you can easily make another story without lawyers busting your balls about it.
Can't wait.
I think you should do it the safest way legal-wise.
It is quite disheartening to hit that kind of a roadblock and need to remake some work that was already done.
(i would be fine with option 4)
My vote is option 1
But if impossible, then option 4
option 1 or 4 are most appealing
I vote for four (4) simply because I like the idea of a custom character running around.
Either option 4 or option 1. I have high confidence in your team to faithfully recreate the original or make an entierly new game. I am personaly more interested in making my own character and exploring a lore acurate world of darkness with an original story. I understand many are fans of the original redemtion but i believe your team can maitain the themes of the original while working with unrestricted freedom. As you have said the legality of this progect has already forced you to change some things and that is partially why my 1st pick is for option 4.
I am interested in Option 4, but really prefer option 1 to relive the amazing experience of the game. 😊
Many years back now I wanted to do a remaster of VTM:R in a custom engine based on Quake 2 source code, if memory serves. The legality was an absolute nightmare to navigate and ultimately all our work ended up being reused as mods for the original game. Activision is probably second only to EA with being a nightmare to deal with. Stripping out all IP they could come after you for is a smart move. I ended up developing my own IP that I now play as a tabletop alternative to White Wolf's VTM, I gave up long ago trying to keep it 100% legal issue free, it's for my own use and none of it has been or will be published anyway. This is the major issue with indy/mod community development, IPs sit on shelves for decades but none of the IP holders will allow anyone else to do anything with them and they vehemently go after anyone who so much as sneezes in the direction of using something they can prove in a court is theirs.
Been following for a while now, you have my utmost interest and support. Good luck to you all!
Option 4.
Mostly because it's the safest one
I finished playing VTMR earlier this week and I can't wait to be able to eventually play the mod when its finished. It looks really awesome so far, Skyrim as a base was a really good pick for an undertaking like this.
Edit: Option 1, no doubt about it. I do not wish to see the story and themes of the original game detracted or entirely butchered with Options 2 or 3. I came for VTMR, so I would want this project to be as close to VTMR as it possibly can be. It's a shame my favorite coterie members, Samuel and Lily will have to be axed no matter what option.
I don't know that much about the actual lore of World of Darkness as I've only played VTMB and VTMR, so take my next opinion for a grain of salt, but I also heavily detest the idea of Serena surviving to the modern age instead of Wilhem. I don't think it'd make much sense both canonically (from my limited knowledge) and thematically since Cappridocians were nearly completely wiped out somehow and because Wilhem is the one who first talked with Christof about the Road of Humanitatis near the beginning of his unlife, which is referred back to when we reunite with Wilhem, now aligned with the Sabbat under Ecaterina, in modern times. I don't think Serena could have that same kind of pay-off in the story. I know character depth wasn't the original game's strong suit, but in terms of all the coterie members, Serena had the least going on, she just wasn't that interesting to me. I know rewrites of the story are happening, but I'd still opt to use whoever is replacing Wilhem in this particular aspect of the game's story.
tl;dr The story beats should remain the same, characters should also remain true to their original personalities but be given more depth that helps elevate the themes of guilt and redemption in unlife VTMR prominently has. Option 1 all the way.
Option 4 is second best especially if the team is itching to make new stories and new characters. I wouldn't mind seeing what would come of this, but I'm mostly just looking for a good remake of this classic game.
Thanks for the update, it was fun seeing what was new and what was changed from the last one. I wish the best of luck on both legal and development sides of the project since a lot of these sorts of things falter and are never finished for one reason or another. I hope I'll be able to play this as a finished remake of VTMR in the future :)
Serena is mentioned in another canonical WoD work, making her safe territory. We looked at every character, and if they were not mentioned outside of the original video game, they had to be cut.
I really would like to see option 1, but option 4 is also very appealing.
Gotta vote for 4. The original idea would've been amazing, but ultimately, we already have Redemption at home. I'd rather have something new than "almost Redemption".
I vote 4: As much as I would love to have a full redo of the original Redemption game, part of me wants a fully realized new concept, characters, places, and story. The work you've done on this is incredible! I only wish I had known about this project years ago because I would've tried my hand at helping - unfortunately, that cannot happen now. The fact you're using Skyrim as a base made me smile.
Option 1 for sure. Option 4 or 3 would be better for a spin off if you ever feel like doing another project afterward. I personally followed this project for Christof and Anezka, and the love story which made me sit through Redemption's uneven gameplay, so that's what I'd love to see. Best of luck, either way!
VtM:R introduced me to the franchise and had a phenomenal story. Please do whatever you can to make this happen. This game deserves it!
I really love the complication during the feeding mechanic. May I suggest that some area may be more at risk or other less. Like feeding in the middle of a decent neighbourhood (like a solitude) I don't know if there is any place in the game currently where an area is believe to be live in by upper class folks.
You could have like different sort of urban locals, like Slums, -- highest risk of disease but no risk of masquerade....-- while a neighborhood with more wealthy people might have more presence of security, night watch and more chance for breaking the masquerade.
Also maybe if there is such a thing...Rural vs Urban settlement -- Rural may have less of a chance of breaking the law, and/or breaking the masquerade because of remoteness to sheriff or any sort of re-inforcement for lawmen or whatever. But maybe Rural folk are more traditional and superstitious with the likelihood of having true faith. Like breaking and entering a home with a home owner of true faith may reveal you as a creature of the night. Maybe True Faith NPC have a very high level of perception and may industand what you are.
While maybe the people in the city or the aristocrat who indulge in all their vices maybe be more succeptable to your vampire manipulation, and very rarely equip with true faith. More security, Less chance of getting disease, but more chance of breaking the law.
But all of that might be way outside the scope of this mod. Anyways you guys are amazing everything you are doing with this mod is crazy amazing to me.
I pray to caine and every mage out their to allow this thing a proper place in reality
As a Fan of the original White Wolf World of Darkness and into the Skyrim modding scene, I am really impressed with this project. Well done guys, I'm looking forward to playing this one day.
Adding to the choir I think you should either do 1 or 4, in my opinion as someone who hasn't played Redemption, I would love to play it in this Black Mesa esque version, however if that isn't feasible, then do 4.
I think this is by far one of the most impressive mods ever. Really well done guys, the community built around this is so positive and I'm glad to be along for the ride. Best of luck with development, I cannot wait to play this!
Only just discovered your project but this honestly seems like good news to me. Since so much of the original game leaned in to Masquerade canon, being freed of the obligation to adapt the vanilla storyline with-you know-actual sophisticated writing, your team can go to town now, poring through all those wonderful source books and making something completely unique. You've got license now to improve on the original in any way you deem fit.
Option 3 or 4 are a total win, for me. You guys get to make a project that keep the spirit of the original, without the fear and uncertainty that dealing with two of the most greedy an litigious companies in the videogame industry. You also dodge any possible comparison bias from the players or the creative chains that making a remake brings. Us players and supporters, on the other hand, get to play and enjoy a true product of passion.
EDIT: Yeah Yeah... no such things as option 5. Got it! 🤣
5? There is no 5
@@tsivilsඞwhere we're going we don't need 5
Option 4 seems like the best bet. It's the least likely to have any potential legal issues, and it allows for more writing freedom. If you can't basically remake Redemption, then you may as well make your own game with its own interesting storyline and characters, not restricted to the original plot or pre-existing characters.
Going to have to go for option 4. Seems the safer option, and i'm rather keen on the idea of a mostly or even completely original VtM game 🧛
This is now the most wanted game for me. Vtm r was such an important game to me when I was growing up
Option 1 is my choice. I will also log into Discord if necessary to cast my Vote for Option 1. Great Work Galejro
Looks really good! Great job to everyone involved. Can't wait to play it!
I'll play the shit out of this no matter which route you take.
I go with the 4 , I think all of you are doing the best to maintain the spirit of the world of darkness and would be a pleasure a game create by fans for fans with new stories .
People could vote through the process about for example the cities and other things .
How about Venice - renaissance times(giovanni) - Salamanca / Inquisition times (La sombra) - Seul / 21th century (ventrue/toreador) and Los angeles ( the end with the fallen angel-boss final) you can even expand the editions with more cities and stories :)
I'd would pay money for that 100%.
1 or 4 I guess. These other half measures seem kinda weird.
It is really exciting for me to see this project have been developed this far. I'd definitely stick with Option 1, and in Option 1, you can also add VTM DA and Modern materials while sticking to the original story too. Thanks for your hardwork!
I fell in love with this project honestly is great to see all the work you guys been doing and it is great to be able to help too.
4. definetly
I vote for option 4, I never played the original and really only approached this project because I have wanted for years to play a true vampire game that wasn't bloodlines (bloodlines 2 looks seems like a failure already). In my opinion creating your own game and just using the mechanics from WOD is something we will never see from major corporation devs again and yalls team seem like the only ones willing to do the work to make a vampire game that all of the fans will love and enjoy. Its my hope that if you go about making your own game we will see options never presented in "offical" content. personally I want to play as a Tzimicse in a video game and option 4 gives me the best chance at that.
Wow the amount of love and care has gone into this is amazing, and the fact we're seeing how the mod is becoming its own thing is perfect.... sadly we cant say that about bloodlines 2
Take 4. Show them what makes a good story driven game.
I can't wait for you guys to release this and show White Wolf how it should be done.
Dude the elevator is the number one-and-only candidate for "fasttravel" implementing 🙏
I would choose 4th option
This is so wholesome. I wish you guys the best and will keep an eye on your development! 🤘
Lo espero con muchas Ansias. Saludos desde Lima, Peru. Gran trabajo ! Plan 1
I vote for 3 and 4. Great job! Can't wait.
1 and 4 my friend ❤
My personal vote: option 2, alternatively option 4, if 2 is unfeasible. Do the thing that is legally the safest route for you.
This mod is gonna be sooo good 😮
Holy moly, this looks insanely good.
My dude, my legend
this video is very much appreciated.
Thank you and whole team for your work!
We appreciate your help!
Very well done. All involved should be proud. We are very excited!
Great job guys!
I like to see integrity even I the suits are garbage. Will continue to follow the progect.
Really glad I saw an article about this, I'm excited.
I'd go with number 4, honestly. Though, at this point I'd take just about anything because the competency and talent on display is fantastic.
I can't believe I just found this. I spent years on the original, and learning to make maps and building a whole city in there. This is so exciting, even with the issues you encountered
Amazing what you are doing! I can't wait to play. Greetings from Brazil.
I vote option 4
My Vote would go for Option 4
4 for the win
This right here needs to happen...like, yesterday...not today, yesterday!
I have never fully experienced VTM: Redemption. I watched Outstar play it over a century ago and enjoyed it for the most part so I definitely will not be upset with a more faithful recreation. But both that Let's play she played and the game itself were made in different times. Now companies like to have a stranglehold on their IP's and are perfectly ok with sacrificing good faith with their customers. More than anything I want this game to be made with no strings attached, no corporate bastards mandating yours or our fun. My vote is either Option 2 to have Christoff and his story returned to us with less anxiety of needing to kiss up to Activision, or, if there is even the slightest complication, my choice is number 4.
If I were to be specific about Number 2, I think a happy middle ground, plot wise, is to make Christoff our central protagonist, starting and ending with him, and in the middle we play as a custom character handling a similar or related problem whom we can then later recruit as Christoff. We can have both an established protag and then one of our own invention within the same coterie.
Thanks for the update and all the work! Whatever the final game will look like I can't wait to play it!
4 for sure
In my vote i like 1 and 4
I have played VtM:R once a year for the last 20+ years and can't wait to see this project finished. PLAN/OPTION 1 please
Shooting is more like Fallout 4 than some fireaems mod for Skyrim, quite impressive =)
Absolutely for option 4, you guys are our only hope for getting a proper VTM crpg at this point.
Option 4 is the most interesting one to me, but I think that's cause I'm just hungry for a new vtm game with actual character creation and an unvoiced protag.
Once again passionate nodders making a real video game with much more effort and faster than any major game studio can in the last ten years
( Except for from software, they're the real deal)
I am going with option 4
Option 4
Cut loose and enjoy the freedom you have! You can still pay homage and respect the original very easily this way, yet still explore exciting story ideas without your hands being tied! Go for it!
Cautiously but optimistically voting for number 4 as that has the most potential and the safest bet in my eyes, though if wanting to stick to the remake route then 1 would be the ideal.
I know the original point of the project was to be a remake of this game, and as much as I would love to see that vision come true, I do feel like the legality of it is too temperamental to reliably feel safe pursuing a super faithful remake and I think the absolute worst outcome that I have been dreading the thought of for awhile now would be to see this project and all this work get shut down because one of the IP holders changed their mind on permissions for whatever reason, which we see happen all the time unfortunately. That's the cynical reason why I'd lean towards 4.
However the very positive and perhaps overly ambitious reason is that I think with all of this groundwork laid out into ironing out the mechanical foundation of the game that's detached from the main plot itself, there's serious potential here for an entirely new story and content set in this universe with a lot of work and care put into the feel of it to make it fit into the World of Darkness proper. Also all of the creative and narrative freedom for you guys to do what you want with it and to also maybe extend that freedom to the players to have a solid VtM roleplaying experience.
Ultimately though, that all comes down to what the team feels they can realistically and reasonably see through and write for this and what your main goals and ambitions with the project are. With all of the passion and effort and care for making this fit the WoD feel and lore, I think either route will turn out fantastic and will be a worthwhile experience that I'm looking forward to.
AWESOME!!!
Option 4 100%
Great work!
Isnt there a way to come up with an original story/setting so that legal issues don't matter?
0:58 That is one tiny runt of a werewolf.
Their Garou need to be remade, plus from previous videos, they're also way easy to take down, 1st times they were showed, it was even 2.
Thank god this project is still alive!
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