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  • @forces_news
    @forces_news  Місяць тому +1

    Sandhurst Women: Leading the Fight is an authentic look at life at RMA Sandhurst for female officer cadets and we do not condone discriminatory comments on our platform.

    • @ChristofferETJ
      @ChristofferETJ 23 дні тому

      Then you have a lot of work to do. I've just had a read through. And it's a confused mix of russian misinformation, old fashioned misogyny, and intelligent comments.

  • @aidencox790
    @aidencox790 Місяць тому +58

    I'm an 82 year old Englashman who served as a Captain in the Royal Marines in the 1960's and saw combat and suffered heavy body damage that still makes life painful. I am DISGUSTED by the bias shown here by military men against their sister soldiers and leaders from Sandhurst. Women in warfare and resistance have a history to be immensely proud of. One last point tough guys, a woman carrying 75 Kg is like YOU as a "man" carrying 180 pounds weight on your back. And have female astronauts let the side down, or female scientists, or and female who was driven and determined in what they were doing? No. Think Madame Curie and radioactivity. Think nurses on the field as well as Corpsmen. Wake up and take an ice-cold shower. Anyone who is critical of a female officer is off-target, ignorant of the facts, and needs one.

    • @malcolmcossar6447
      @malcolmcossar6447 Місяць тому +5

      Very Well Said!!👍👏

    • @davidrenton
      @davidrenton Місяць тому +9

      your attitude is not being kind to Women, giving them a false sense of ability, so if such a conflict occured, i'm sure they and their families will appreciate people like who have sent to an early grave.
      Your atttiude is harmful to women, not supportive

    • @davidrenton
      @davidrenton Місяць тому

      Think Madame Curie , for every 1 notable female scientist, there have been a 1000 notable male scientists
      Your arguements are not helping your cause

    • @johnbobson1557
      @johnbobson1557 Місяць тому +8

      I think you are wrong Aiden. I recognise females have an important role in the military and historically have shown enormous skill in many areas but I suggest the sexes are complementary not supplementary. Furthermore it is interesting to read Col Collins article today. The MoD have more diversity groups than serviceable tanks. My daughter, an aviator in the FAA pointed out we have more 4-ringer Captains in the RN Engineer branch than aircraft. The only reason female entry is rising is because White male recruitment is falling totally demotivated to enter conflict for a nation that demeans them. As an aside the British Army strength today is 7,000 soldiers less than in 1760 when they were all men! It's no longer an Army but a civil Militia.

    • @davidrenton
      @davidrenton Місяць тому +1

      ​@@johnbobson1557 exaclty representation to the Politicans, Top Brass is more important than effectiveness
      They go on about conscription, but we know who 99% of that will be , Men, mostly white men.
      But why should any White British man join the armed forces in 2024, when the Armed forces despite having relied on those very people and their ancestors for 100's of years, now actively despise them
      they need to face it , no matter how much they pander to Trans, Women ,Muslims, they will always have far lower recuitment from those demographics than White British males
      So great have a Female Army, that would'nt last 2 minutes against not just the Russians/Chinese but the Argentinians
      So why are we spending £50 billlion a year on defence, is it to have a credible Armed forces, or is it to have 'diverse' parades
      Because we might as well just save the 50 billion and scrap the entire thing if that's the case

  • @tobycollins1636
    @tobycollins1636 Місяць тому +17

    As an ex serviceman, I was totally against women serving front line. I left the RN in 1994, after 13 years service, as women were being intergrated to warships. I now know I was wrong when I thought it wouldn't work. I now think why not? My daughter has just applied to join the RN and my son is already a serving member of the Fleet Air arm. I think the school qualifications are more important now than when I joined. I had nothing. Technology has taken over and that's where the difference is.

    • @JAmediaUK
      @JAmediaUK Місяць тому +1

      What people are forgetting is that warfare has changed a lot since WW2 and Vietnam. Though the UK had a LOT of female SOE agents in WW2. Actually warfare has changed a lot since the Falklands. I served with female OR's and female Officers. They were as good as their male equivalents. We used a lot of females in combat roles in the 1970s, 80s and 90s in several somewhat dirty conflicts. In the 90s some were taking part in SF operations on the front line (or behind the enemy lines)

  • @MrWorldwide00
    @MrWorldwide00 Місяць тому +13

    "i found myself in afghanistan quickly after finishing sandhurst" ..... "i was in a FOB with the commandos" ..... "i found my voice wasnt heard"
    i think they werent bothering to listen to you because you was a yappy little fresh sandhurst pass out trying to tell a bunch of experienced marines what to do. i dont think it has anything to do with your gender

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +4

      So it's okay for experienced marines to ignore an officer, regardless of gender?
      Those marines should have known better than to violate Queen's Regs and the Armed Forces Act by ignoring the orders of an officer, regardless of their experience.

    • @him050
      @him050 Місяць тому

      @@Orbital_Inclinationlook at the language used. She said “not necessarily heard”. So that probably doesn’t mean that they outright ignored her.

    • @chethemerc7841
      @chethemerc7841 Місяць тому

      Which FOB were you at.? Not Jackson in Sangin by any chance.

    • @miloregnix_vlogs293
      @miloregnix_vlogs293 Місяць тому

      It goes on all ruperts male or female 😂 you have to earn respect from your soldiers as we say we salute the rank not the person

  • @jakealcock5905
    @jakealcock5905 Місяць тому +1

    Very informative. Thank you BFBS.

  • @w0033944
    @w0033944 Місяць тому +1

    For those worrying about the physical side; watch the England Red Roses rugby team this weekend in the WXV. Not all will manage, but more will than you think.

  • @LaHayeSaint
    @LaHayeSaint Місяць тому +1

    There is no reason to treat a female Sandhurst Officer with anything other than respect! Well done girls!

  • @mingle6570
    @mingle6570 Місяць тому +6

    The female Captain who said she went straight to Afghan and that her voice seemed not to heard; was it really because you are a women or was it more because you were a very junior officer straight out of training?

    • @3tomnguyen797
      @3tomnguyen797 Місяць тому +1

      Defo her rank, other ORs women would treat her the same too

    • @him050
      @him050 Місяць тому +4

      She also didn’t say she wasn’t heard. She said she wasn’t “necessarily” heard. So to me that sounds like she was being treated exactly how a freshly commissioned officer would be treated. Offered the respected required, but experienced soldiers aren’t going to be looking to her for direction or taking too seriously her suggestions.

  • @ronti2492
    @ronti2492 Місяць тому +3

    This is all about the 'what' of being an officer. After they commission and go to the units hopefully, hopefully, there will be a good platoon SGT and the CPL's who will teach them the 'how'of being an officer whilst maintaining due respect to rank....

    • @aidencox790
      @aidencox790 Місяць тому +3

      @ronti2492 Any and every Officer of worth listens to and is ready to learn from the soldiers serving under them. Someone has always something unique and valuable to contribute. The days of an arrogant WWI officer's perceptions of total superiority to every non-com are long gone. Non-Coms already have dirty hands - they're the mechanics who do the "hammer" work all the time and they do always learn a trick or two, or three. Or more.

    • @Davebsuk
      @Davebsuk Місяць тому

      Except this will likely be seen as ‘man-splaining’ and will be venomously regected.

  • @RichardSteeper
    @RichardSteeper Місяць тому

    We saw the short one and we knew that was her. The British military living for the giggles while trying to keep everyone safe. 👍

  • @royturp676
    @royturp676 Місяць тому +6

    I’m surprised why anyone would want to serve in the military. We have an ungrateful country, politicians who don’t give a damn about those who serve-they ‘ throw them to the lawyers ‘ when politicians make mistakes. Hundreds of Veterans are homeless while ‘ illegals’ are housed in hotels. They are poorly paid and not appreciated.

    • @jungleboy1
      @jungleboy1 Місяць тому

      think it can make u a better person though.

    • @GonzoTehGreat
      @GonzoTehGreat Місяць тому +1

      Most come for military families, so there is a tradition and history of service and if their parents or grandparents had positive experiences the these would encourage the current generation to join.
      However, I suspect that soldiers who joined after 2000 won't be recommending the military to their children.

  • @user-dq6tf9ms6q
    @user-dq6tf9ms6q Місяць тому +1

    World best military academy ! Serve to lead ! haha

  • @bestgamescore4953
    @bestgamescore4953 Місяць тому +20

    Ahhh yes, “you don’t have to be at the front and go like follow mee!” And then they wonder why the chain of command is challenged….

    • @lachlanchester8142
      @lachlanchester8142 Місяць тому +4

      You think the officers are ever in the front with the rest following? 😂 it’s not the 19th century

    • @bestgamescore4953
      @bestgamescore4953 Місяць тому

      Yeah I am quite aware, but I was pointing that out. That it isn’t gender specific. And makes complete sense.

    • @bestgamescore4953
      @bestgamescore4953 Місяць тому

      @@lachlanchester8142To say it is more a problem of how the chain works rather than The person itself.

    • @bestgamescore4953
      @bestgamescore4953 Місяць тому

      Plus I don’t thinks thats the right message, of you’re weaker? You should lead the troops. That doesn’t make sense…

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +3

      ​@@bestgamescore4953leading troops doesn't literally mean being at the front of a charge. Officers are there to make fast, effective tactical decisions and direct their troops.

  • @ryannoble4789
    @ryannoble4789 Місяць тому +1

    Striking the fear into the enemy lol

  • @thevet2009
    @thevet2009 Місяць тому +3

    Shake and bake officer training.

  • @DougWoikey
    @DougWoikey Місяць тому

    No live fire exercise?

  • @ijm1963
    @ijm1963 Місяць тому +8

    😂😂😂😂😂 no standards were lowered 😂😂😂.

    • @ryannoble4789
      @ryannoble4789 Місяць тому +1

      Definitely working from MOD directives to let women through.

  • @ChalkanCheese
    @ChalkanCheese Місяць тому +20

    The reality and implicationss in theatre are going to be very difficult.

    • @aidencox790
      @aidencox790 Місяць тому +1

      You don't know your history, especially early history.

    • @ChalkanCheese
      @ChalkanCheese Місяць тому

      @@aidencox790 I fail to see the relevance, but go on, I'll bite.

    • @donkey1271
      @donkey1271 Місяць тому

      Go on. . .

    • @ChalkanCheese
      @ChalkanCheese Місяць тому

      @@donkey1271 Please don't mistake biological facts for gender bigotry, I've worked alongside women who were nails, but they were 1/100 maybe rarer.
      At this level the fitness pass gaps have to be better. This may be out of date now, but in my experience a 24yr old woman passes with the same ( and for some exercises lower ) results than a 50yr old man.
      Obviously this is role dependant but for the most part physicality won't affect leadership but it will combat effectiveness.

    • @Barrybud2816
      @Barrybud2816 Місяць тому

      @@aidencox790 still waiting for you to prove you're a Bootneck.

  • @JR-el7et
    @JR-el7et Місяць тому +9

    Is there a male only forum? I highly doubt it!

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +5

      Nothing stopping one being formed, other than a complete lack of need for one.

  • @Cous1nJack
    @Cous1nJack Місяць тому +1

    Allowed visitors but they had leave after the drill test

    • @him050
      @him050 Місяць тому

      It’s probably the first time they saw them in their kit, hence why it was a big deal to them.

  • @jasonbaker-s5c
    @jasonbaker-s5c Місяць тому

    ANGELS WING

  • @Tom_Tabbing
    @Tom_Tabbing Місяць тому +8

    One if the most gruelling training in the world 🤣 they can't handle the weight its literally shown on here, this is why the men are on the frontline, you cant be slacking on the front because the men will just grill you!! Slacking gets people done in.

  • @wrog-ie2dk
    @wrog-ie2dk Місяць тому +16

    Women should not be in frontline combat roles

    • @malcolmcossar6447
      @malcolmcossar6447 Місяць тому +6

      Well too bad they are getting used to it and deal with😠

    • @johnbobson1557
      @johnbobson1557 Місяць тому +2

      @@malcolmcossar6447 We haven't been in a peer on peer war since 1939. Fortunately we are so cut to the bone I think the Vatican Army could defeat us... with ease. We ran away in the night in Basra!

    • @charlesmallo
      @charlesmallo Місяць тому +4

      They have been for a long time in the Israelian army.

    • @wrog-ie2dk
      @wrog-ie2dk Місяць тому

      @@malcolmcossar6447 using the sole demographic that is able to produce more soldiers as cannon fodder is utterly r***rded

    • @wrog-ie2dk
      @wrog-ie2dk Місяць тому

      @@charlesmallo israel has the highest total fertility rate of any developed 1st world nation, they can afford to lose a few yentas

  • @earlofeastwood777
    @earlofeastwood777 Місяць тому +12

    God in Heaven Help Us🙏🙏✝✝🙏🙏✝✝

  • @thecurlew7403
    @thecurlew7403 Місяць тому +7

    Load of rubbish as usual from high up sources.

  • @desydukuk291
    @desydukuk291 Місяць тому

    The wife nags me into shape.

  • @Lindamarr1954
    @Lindamarr1954 Місяць тому +2

    Why are some girls allowed trousers and others not

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +4

      @@Lindamarr1954 they get to choose whether to wear traditional female uniform or trousers

    • @Lindamarr1954
      @Lindamarr1954 Місяць тому

      @@Orbital_Inclination 0k thanks

  • @Dhhhhj27
    @Dhhhhj27 Місяць тому

    In a close quarter ambush you will run and fire .

  • @ilialazic8009
    @ilialazic8009 Місяць тому +6

    35klos my arse during the Falklands war paratroopers where carrying on average 120lbs because live ammunition weights are different 2 blank training ammunition it's a true biological fact that women can't carry the same as men how on earth are they going 2 evacuate casualties under fire then and fight ?????

    • @aidencox790
      @aidencox790 Місяць тому +3

      @ilialazic8009 They're the officer so YOU carry. Same in the UK police forces.

    • @TheSussexpillbox
      @TheSussexpillbox Місяць тому +3

      Yet there are women now who have passed P Company and are literally Paras. Seems they can carry the weight and go the mile.

    • @Barrybud2816
      @Barrybud2816 Місяць тому +1

      @@TheSussexpillbox a woman, not women. There's also questions as to whether that was a legitimate pass. That's from people who were there.

    • @TheSussexpillbox
      @TheSussexpillbox Місяць тому

      I've a few mates at depot and none seem to be questioning the validiy of her pass. Are you suggesting corruption and the staff are passing people under grade? ​@@Barrybud2816

  • @kenw5104
    @kenw5104 Місяць тому

    i didn't know you can't run and fire at the same time? good to know

    • @JAmediaUK
      @JAmediaUK Місяць тому +1

      Professionals don't. It is a waste of ammo to run and shoot. Unless you have read the script and listened to the directors instructions for the scene.

    • @GonzoTehGreat
      @GonzoTehGreat Місяць тому +2

      You can, but you won't hit anything. Also, you'll be exposing yourself for too long, whilst giving away your position, making you an easy target.
      The British Army works on the buddy system, so an 8 person section breaks down into 2 fireteams of 4, each made up of 2 buddy-pairs.
      As you advance, your buddy covers you with suppressive fire, then vice versa. It's called Fire and Maneuver.

  • @jpfarrell66
    @jpfarrell66 Місяць тому

    Yawning at the box ticking

  • @TheLaualamp
    @TheLaualamp Місяць тому +17

    Nice to see that the trolls in the comments are on time atleast

    • @yungcaco1443
      @yungcaco1443 Місяць тому +5

      Seems like the “trolls” are in the majority here. Wonder why 🥴

    • @s.wvazim6517
      @s.wvazim6517 Місяць тому +2

      You mean realistic

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +3

      ​@@s.wvazim6517hardly. Throwing out sexist tropes isn't realism, it's just a personal failing.

    • @raymondscott906
      @raymondscott906 Місяць тому +2

      @@s.wvazim6517 russia etc have used female troops for year very effectively.

  • @renatosureal
    @renatosureal Місяць тому +15

    nice JOKE, and ... GOOD LUCK against Ru/Ch. Will need it

  • @Npol777-e5q
    @Npol777-e5q Місяць тому

    Great unit and union force 🇬🇧

  • @blumie006
    @blumie006 Місяць тому +17

    This is pathetic

  • @gfuentes8449
    @gfuentes8449 Місяць тому +14

    what a clown show

  • @simonrichardson5203
    @simonrichardson5203 Місяць тому +2

    Did she really say dont take it personally if someones shooting at you? Well lets wait until that happens then ask again

    • @jonpick5045
      @jonpick5045 Місяць тому +1

      She said "shouting at you".

  • @truthmediarebel5816
    @truthmediarebel5816 Місяць тому +7

    As ex SAS, I say would you rather be rescued by a man or a woman. I am sure a woman can lift you up if you are wounded and take you to cover, ha, ha, ha.

    • @lafonevc5663
      @lafonevc5663 Місяць тому +2

      How did you get wounded working loading baggage for Scandinavian airlines? Did women have to lift you up a lot? Tripping over I suppose.

    • @bestgamescore4953
      @bestgamescore4953 Місяць тому +2

      The Special Air Service (SAS) is a special forces unit of the British Army. It was founded as a regiment in 1941 by David Stirling, and in 1950 it was reconstituted as a corps. The unit specialises in a number of roles including counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, direct action and special reconnaissance. Much of the information about the SAS is highly classified, and the unit is not commented on by either the British government or the Ministry of Defence due to the secrecy and sensitivity of its operations.

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +5

      Cheers dits.
      Any woman who applies for specialist roles like SF needs to prove they can meet the rigours of the job, just as any male applicant does.
      Plenty of male or female service personnel wouldn't make the grade, but we let that get decided during selection, not by sexist morons on UA-cam comments sections.

    • @truthmediarebel5816
      @truthmediarebel5816 Місяць тому

      @@Orbital_Inclination So how many women in 22 SAS? On OP will she do her ablutions in a plastic bag with the team watching? Interrogation she will be the first to be picked by the enemy. You must be woke.

    • @TheSussexpillbox
      @TheSussexpillbox Місяць тому +1

      Nobody has said they are in the SAS. They would not deploy any bods that cannot complete the task ay hand. There are plenty of military roles that are not front line infantry - you're views are rather dated. Even in 1999-2000 my field sqn had plenty of women in the Royal Engineers, and darn great soldiers they were too.

  • @bartmcdougall7518
    @bartmcdougall7518 Місяць тому

    2:56

  • @ryanforbes6724
    @ryanforbes6724 Місяць тому

    Jesus christ

  • @stevett5671
    @stevett5671 Місяць тому +6

    Saying it doesn't make it so. I never thought that the Army would become this sad.

    • @aidencox790
      @aidencox790 Місяць тому +1

      Yes, saying it doesn't make it so. Say those words, listen, and repeat a good few times. Sad? Not a bit of it.

  • @liamhemmings9039
    @liamhemmings9039 Місяць тому +14

    What a joke.

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +6

      The male ego fragility in the comments? Agreed.

    • @NicholasMills-q4g
      @NicholasMills-q4g Місяць тому

      @@Orbital_Inclinationit’s not fragility. It’s a realisation that putting 2000 women against 2000 men on the battlefield would only see one winner.
      History has determined that males are better fighters otherwise we would have seen women in combat units already.
      The reality to the female push us due to ideological capture. Is they that put women in danger. Feeding a lie. When it comes to violence, women cannot match men.
      Sorry if you think that’s sexism. My intention is not sexism but I won’t lie to protect an ideological lie that women can match men in combat.

    • @gfuentes8449
      @gfuentes8449 Місяць тому

      @@Orbital_Inclination bringing the UK to ruination just to dunk on white men

    • @NicholasMills-q4g
      @NicholasMills-q4g Місяць тому

      Ha. My comment removed. Let’s have a proper discussion shall we.

    • @redman6709
      @redman6709 Місяць тому +1

      @@Orbital_Inclinationyou won’t be talking about the male ego fragility when it’s on the front lines….

  • @dpharr100
    @dpharr100 Місяць тому +3

    Women are great if you don't have to actually fight a war

  • @gfuentes8449
    @gfuentes8449 Місяць тому +6

    NHS 74% female and performance to match

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +1

      Now look at the percentage of men in NHS management positions and reassess your farcical point.
      Gender is irrelevant in an organisation brought down by awful government spending, pay and working conditions.

  • @astrazenica7783
    @astrazenica7783 Місяць тому +5

    Just stop already

  • @truthmediarebel5816
    @truthmediarebel5816 Місяць тому +1

    More and more WOKE as they cant get men to join the army.

  • @marts5555
    @marts5555 Місяць тому +5

    DEI , Didn’t earn it !

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +4

      They earned the right to be there like any other recruit.
      You didn't earn the right to decide who is worthy or not.

    • @marts5555
      @marts5555 Місяць тому +1

      @@Orbital_Inclination Physical differences between men and women will be recognised in the new tests for British Army as Defence Secretary stated for front line forces , changing the standard for DEI , no your right I didn’t decide others did.

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому

      ​@@marts5555fitness tests for all personnel, male and female, are changing in the next couple of months.
      Probably because a bleep test and a few press-ups and sit-ups are an awful way of measuring actual useful physical ability.

  • @s.wvazim6517
    @s.wvazim6517 Місяць тому +2

    All woman wow how have we fallen so much segrigation

  • @victornewman9904
    @victornewman9904 Місяць тому +1

    Farcical.

  • @Stuart-e6y
    @Stuart-e6y Місяць тому

    Not in the infantry anywhere else ok

  • @ziggy76ziggy76
    @ziggy76ziggy76 Місяць тому

    Lead by example. How can you tell a man to do something you can't? Stick to RLC

    • @Orbital_Inclination
      @Orbital_Inclination Місяць тому +3

      That's fairly common in the military. Officers are generalists, NCOs are specialists.
      Your average officer would not be able to do many of the tasks their personnel could do, because they are not required to.

  • @railworker8058
    @railworker8058 Місяць тому +5

    I’ve served with women in combat. My main concern is that male soldiers tend to over protect them. Also, I’m wary of women attempting to compete with men in a situation where competition is not appropriate. No serving soldier will say this for fear of repudiation, but the truth is that this is a fatal link in the chain of command. I’ve seen it happen.

    • @stiffchocolate7546
      @stiffchocolate7546 Місяць тому

      Herrick 17 cpl day say no more I was there

    • @railworker8058
      @railworker8058 Місяць тому

      @@stiffchocolate7546 I lost a female colleague in NI.

    • @GonzoTehGreat
      @GonzoTehGreat Місяць тому

      The male instinct to protect the female is indeed a potential problem, but apparently after a while the male troops treat their female colleagues as equals, especially once they've seen combat together. At least, that's what the IDF accounts I've read said.

    • @stiffchocolate7546
      @stiffchocolate7546 Місяць тому

      @@GonzoTehGreat not true

    • @railworker8058
      @railworker8058 Місяць тому

      @@GonzoTehGreat In my experience, and I’m no misogynist, is that female soldier’s performance, while superior to most civilian females, is still lacking compared to male counterparts. Therefore, they represent a vulnerability to everyone under certain circumstances. As a result, male oppos will over protect them as a means of compensating for this vulnerability, thus attempting to protect everybody. The strain on the order of battle though is immense and unnecessary. Very few women could tab across vast distances with a 100lb pack and fight an action at the end of it. I know this because I tabbed the Falklands with greater men than I and experienced the physical
      difficulty among highly trained and committed paras (and marines who
      yomped).
      Women in combat is a political tool designed to promote some weird equality when, in actuality, no one of any gender should be at war. Sadly, some policy wonk sees the need for equality in violence and death in excess of the need for peace. Where peace cannot be maintained for whatever reason, the conflict should logically be waged on both sides by either all male or all female armies to match the physical attributes.
      Historically, such as in the IDF, women have been used to bolster troop numbers more than their martial ability, a strategic compromise where numbers are inferior to threat. With recruitment of males depleted in western militaries, women are used in much the same way.
      War need not be a male profession where it transcends humanity. Women are amazing in roles aboard ship, aircraft, intelligence, and myriad other requirements. But, engaging with the enemy directly in the field is not their place and it is murderously unfair to expect that it is just to tick a box. Men and women will die because of this error.