I did not see, talking about stealing the catalytic converters off the land raiders and bankrupting macragg, trolling the chaptermaster of the ultramarines in my near future, but the line about techlas is goddamn iconic and will never be forgotten.
Why Gulliman is 40K Franz: Gud at foightin ✅ Common sens ✅ Smort guy ✅ Boss of hooman empire ✅ Resurrected by his god while fighting against champion of nurgle
Nagash is the rags to multibillionaire story, the self made man who set his eyes on becoming god Magnus is the Billionaires son groomed to be the greatest mage. He is pretty good, but he lacks the drive. He has boundaries set by the emperor and the laws of imperium
Counter argument for Sigmar: he never burned Nurgle’s Garden BUT one of his Stormcasts in Plague Garden burned Nurgle himself. The novel specifically says that the lightning made Nurgle scream in pain. So one of Sigmar’s champions accomplished an Emperor feat.
Counter argument for the counter argument (unless I'm wrong in which case, doh): the Chaos Gods in 40k are significantly stronger than their Fantasy/AOS counter part. Trillions upon trillions of humans accidentally-or purposefully-feeding 40k's Chaos Gods from even the most basic actions and emotions, if that Stormcast Eternal tried to do that to 40k's Nurgle he'd probably wouldn't have even scratched Nurgle. That being said, that Stormcast is a chad.
@@TeamOneDayCounter to the counters counter: AoS gods are significantly stronger than 40K. Warhammer might be less stronger in that regards than 40K, that much is true, but AoS is to 40K what 40K is to Warhammer!
@@TeamOneDayI actually think the Warp is the same across settings. That’s why Belakor can be in both games with the same backstory. But further, Gardus Steelsoul in one of the Realmgate Wars short stories went into Nurgle’s Garden for like 10-30 minutes. During that time, he saw superhuman warriors fighting with weapons he couldn’t understand, implying he saw space marines.
Gotta say that Guliman's counterpart has to be Yuan Bo. Bro is basically Chinsese Dragon Guiliman. The Dragon Children are as closest Fantasy gets to Primarchs, and Bo is pure logistics, troop movements, and paperwork. Astrogoth vs Vaashtor would have been a cool one to talk about. Both fuel the Chaos war machine in their respective setting.
And honestly the dragon emperor is a good mirror to sigmar, he is a mythic creature who despite his insistence to the contrary, he is not a god but his people worship him as one. Their thoughts do not think of humanity as they are as people instead as more like cattle to guide to a higher purpose. The big difference between the two is that the Dragon Emperor has Quan
I love how during the talk about Gelt vs Guilliman, they can't even talk about who is better in logistics, but instead talk about Gelt turning everything into lead and then dipping off.
I need a story where Archaon learns that Abaddon has taken over 10 000 years to destroy the imperium, decides to go do Abaddon’s job and the chaos gods try to convince him not to. And Archaon ultimately decides not to after the great horned rat encourages him to go.
bruh, all I'm hearing is that in Fantasy, the big players of the setting actually have fun and show off their biggest feats, meanwhile the only feats that ive seen from 40K characters is middling at best. Sure, Angron cutting up a world in half with the help of Khorne is no simple feat, but Egyptian man no. 2 burned the entire Warp, meanwhile Egyptian man no. 1 nearly ASCENDED TO GODHOOD THREE TIMES. They are having FUN over there, meanwhile I'm still fuming at the fact that Magnus, even with all his power, can't defeat a literal furry.
Man, im jealous of Fantasy fans right now, you guys are having fun watching your favorite characters pop off, i am fuckin jealous, I wanna see Magnus show up and fuck things up permanently for the setting, I wanna see Perturabo show up as a Primarch Dreadnought and fuck shit up, man... Today's a bad day to be a 40k fan.
A note on Bastian, he held that Azyr gateway against endless daemon hordes and fantasy’s version of Abaddon riding a three-headed daemon dragon While Still A Mortal Dude. It was only after everyone left made it through and Bastian got gutted by the Kingslayer, a vile sword empowered by the 4 chaos gods so it can slay gods and obliterate souls, that he finally fell back through the closing gate grievously wounded. But he was still too badass to die and be zapped up to become a Stormcast Eternal. He had to make the trip physically to the Anvil of Apotheosis so they could reforge him personally and Sigmar heal the soul wound the Kingslayer caused with one of the 12 Great Bolts(super magic bolts that can slay continent-sized monsters) which Then turned him into the 700 year old immortal badass we know now that can blast apart armies with either his sunderer god-hammer or orbital strikes he calls down from Heaven.
I think Belisarius Cawl would have been a better comparison for Balthasar Gelt considering both just meme on their faction all the time and use enormous expenditures of resources just to pursue their personal hobbies. I also think Karl Franz would have been a better comparison for Roboute Guilliman since both are figures who unite a fractured empire as avatars of their respective founders and lead a desperate defense against an overwhelming Chaos invasion.
Picturing Nagash mocking Magnus as he beats him is already funny. But man Ghelt winning by causing Guilliman to go through economic recession has me dying 🤣
Abbadon was Chosen because his dadddy died too soon. Archaeon Is Ever Chosen because the gods have NO Choice but him. He keeps taking and fucking up their shit.
Honestly, this just proves that the main factor of your entertainment franchise should be ENTERTAINMENT. 40k lost its sense of whimsy and thus lost its sense of fun. That's why even when power is wildly different people still prefer Fantasy
this. 40k kinda forgot how to have fun. it was better when the satire was more head on and it was just more silly for lack of a better term. it was more low stakes too because in earlier iterations the imperium wasn't assailed from all sides or anything, frankly the imperium's biggest threat was its own ineptitude in the beginning and that was hilarious, it was a mostly low stakes adventure of humans in space doing silly stuff and being unable to even remotely function due to no one really giving enough of a shit to fix the problems. now 40k takes itself WAY too seriously in my opinion.
@@deathwatch962fantasy died because noone cared about gw as a whole and their entire company was failing before total war and 40k came out. If your going to be a head in your ass, obnoxious prick at least be knowledgeable on what your yapping about
@@HeinrichMuller-mv6hn Disagree. Balthasar would win because he'd buy off the Police and the politicians and making himself the defacto ruler of Romania
Just the image of a masked wizard going under cars and taking Catalytic Converters is just so funny to me for some reason. P.S. Screw you for the Gun Spear reasoning
To give Big E a credit over Malekidor about says making them sisters. Only someone who has never had sisters would say such a thing. I have brothers and sisters. My brothers fight it out and it's done. My sisters do not let go of grudges as much as any Dwarf.
Malekith and the Skaven are the main reasons why I prefer fantasy. The Tyranids are cool but I don’t understand why they’d be expected to replace the Skaven. Imagine a 40k equivalent to the Jezzail or clan eshin with stealth technology
@@Jfk2Mr A) Lascannons are cool, but not as big a gap as between normal fantasy and a jezzail as normal 40k and a lascannon B) Straight up just not on the same level
40k's equivalent of the Skaven is the Imperium, just take one good look at a hive city and Imperial politics and tell me I'm wrong, the high lords of Terra literally tried to assassinate the son of their god as a power play ffs.
There's a proper reason why the Old World can still beat the daemons that the 40k soldiers have trouble with, despite just having pike and shot. Warp is concepts. Of course a hammer will crush a skull, that's what it's made for. Its the Ork field on a larger scale.
yep, stop thinking in terms of raw physical power with the Warp and suddenly your mind expands tenfold. It's why even Astartes in the beginning of the HH switched to using melee against daemons. It's just way more symbolic to use swords, and symbols do have power. It's also why they reinstated the Librarius. Warp powers just beat warp beings better.
I went into this not knowing shit about fantasy but now i firmly believe that gelt, ikkit, setra, and genash are peak fiction. Edit: it has come to my attention that i was talking about nagash, and not in fact the hindu god genesh. I will not change my comment however due to both honesty and its funny.
I have read both series and i gotta say cain has pulled more but felix as a better women time ratio he pulled all his in a few years meanwhile cain is over 100 years old
Best part of Balthasar turning people into gold and then lead is that you aren't any more fucked as one or the other, he probably just doesn't want you to be all that valuable.
When it comes to lore and story the fantasy/AOS characters CRUSH their 40K cousins, mainly because in Fantasy/AOS the non humans actually get some sort of attention and are allowed to do something
1:55:45 I think that in Balthazar's childhood when he barely knew about magic but wanted to study at the Colleges of Magic in Altdorf to, you know, BECOME as good at magic as he is now, he lived a good distance away. That's why it was a temporary transmutation spell because he just couldn't do better. But he didn't need to, he got himself a 90% discount and he's riding that high to this day.
I think it's worth mentioning that Grotsnik also installed the adamantine plate on Ghazghkull's head that gave him his name. But according to Makari in the Ghaz book, that plate might have come from a suit of Terminator armor. Which part, you ask? The ass, naturally.
2:16:39 One of you said "Ifunny" while I was paintin my minis, and I don't know which one of you did it, but that made my head snap so fast I almost paralysed myself 💀
You know, if literally EVERYONE in the Fandom just ignores Sigmar possessing Franz in his battle with Archeon, there's literally nothing gamesworkshop can do about it.
id love a 10 hour version of this, great goddamn chemistry between everyone, amazing comedy and always love to hear about 40k and fantasy/sigmar, all are great settings
Bastian Carthalos in the battle of the burning skies lead a personal charge with his tribe against Archaon himself, and even mortally wounded carried the wounded and led them to the gates of azyr and held off while his people escaped. Even with a mortal wound from Droghar, he held the line to ensure the escape of innocents. All before becomint stormcast. He had to personally be hit with a great bolt of lightning by Sigmar himself to actually become a Stormcast Eternal because he simply wouldn’t die as a mortal.
3:12:10 i genuenly love the idea of the Emperor, being this ancient human, channeling the energy of every well meaning but sexist grandpa ever. The type of guy to say ''silence woman!'' without an ounce of hatred just becuase thats how hes said it for the past 50.000 years.
You know that moment when you don't really understand what people are saying but their laugh is so stupidly contagious you just start laughing yourself?
@@trollking6315 He enjoys memes and goofiness vs the absurdly over dark try hardness of 40k. Cant say i blame him. Also the power scaling of fantasy IS just flat insane vs what 40k does when it comes to magic, which is where allot of these arguments go.
Tbh despite the fact that 40k draws heavy inspiration from christianity for its aesthetics, when it comes down to the story of the primarchs, big E, Erda, and overall the founding myth for the modern Imperium it reminds me much more of the Greek Pantheon rather than christian cannon. Hell, Vulkan is LITERALLY named after the roman god equivallent to heaphestus, he was supposedly to live under Mt.Etna too which seems like it translates directly into 40k's Vulkan with the world of Nocturne.
Yes, and it's very cool, coz Abrahamic God not mess around, he is busy with important (and boring) "cosmic stuff". It's hard to make a story with such deity. BUT Greek gods is just like primarchs, with their own flaws and capable of basic human emotions envy, anger, vulnerable to the seduction of ruinous powers like chaos - it's a golden ground for story telling. And then we learn that each Primarch was a facet of the Emperor's soul. Horus himself embodied His ambitions. Conflict was almost inevitable.
I need an Ciaphis Cane Vs Felix Jaeger. I feel like they're similar in character with Cane's Imposter syndrome, and Felix's desperately trying to not die every time he follows Gotrek into battle. Also wondering if Amberly Veil is to Ciaphis as Gotrek is to Felix lmao
apparently the great horned rat is more accurately at least according to the wiki as the god of Decay, Ruin, Pestilence, Strife, Hunger, Ambition, Survival, Skaven, and Rats
Unironically, I think the Vottan will really shine when they're put into a game like Gladius or if we get a book featuring a sustained battle. In Age of Wonders Planetfall, a 4x game/turn based tactics game, they have a race called the Dvar, who are Diselpunk russian space dwarves. On the tactical side, they play like regular fantasy dwarves mixed with imperial guard in that they set down fortifications and lay down artillery until whatever they were fighting is dead. On the strategical side, however, they do just as the Votann do. They mine the area they reside in and strip the resources of the planet bare, allowing them to fuel their industrial warmachine. In 40k while the Votann are fighting the imperium/xenos it would really show their strength that while the other factions need to requisition new vehicles and reinforcements as they lose them (which will take forever if youre the imperium) the Votann can keep pumping them out on the planets surface as they continue to drain the planets of its metals and minerals from the earth and energy from the stars almost like a reverse tyranids. Except in the votanns case, retreating from them or scorching the earth bare doesn't stop them. It'll really show how despite being fairly sidelined compared to other major races, it can be very difficult to displace them from where they choose to do their work and I think a 4x game like Gladius would ge perfect way to present that. They just need a second wave so they have a bigger variety of units so uh get on that GW
Have you ever see women that don't like each other interact? Big E thinking Malcador was joking is perfectly reasonable. Either that or Malcador is a MASSIVE shut-in.
Can honestly go either way, hate each other on-sight or get along swimmingly. In any case, the former may have been the author’s way of jokingly explaining why all the Primarchs are male.
OK I didn't want to get into it, but if the primarchs were women, they would not automatically get along better, malcador is less likely to have ever been with a woman than the emperor if he's said that, women are absolutely brutal to one another. Female on female bullying is way more common than given credit publicly.
Counterpoint: "Female bullying" would've lead to girly Kurze and Angron being out of the picture already pre-heresy for one reason or another (imagine an organizer of Girlyman's capacity going full "Mean Girls" on them). Queen bee Horus still rebels, but the blow to the imperium would be a lot softer without World Eaterettes and Night Ladies in the picture.
I love the silent king’s model, but I do wish they did a little more to distinguish him from other Necron nobility. That why I plan on trying to free hand paint Necron iconography on his body in silver over his standard bronze/dark gold (help me). And he needs way more lore. Also, more rats! Rats rats rats!
Thank you for having me on to say horrid things about Elves and steal copper wiring.
IRL lore
I did not see, talking about stealing the catalytic converters off the land raiders and bankrupting macragg, trolling the chaptermaster of the ultramarines in my near future, but the line about techlas is goddamn iconic and will never be forgotten.
Man was cooking that line in preparation.
Gelt turning from competent magician to skaven le cracked stealing copper wire and killing people wirh lead brick almost made me suffocate
The emp is an enthusiast on men according to irl lore
Why Gulliman is 40K Franz:
Gud at foightin ✅
Common sens ✅
Smort guy ✅
Boss of hooman empire ✅
Resurrected by his god while fighting against champion of nurgle
Sexy chin ✅
Here we go lads! #wheresmyinsulin
Xddddd
Nagash is the rags to multibillionaire story, the self made man who set his eyes on becoming god
Magnus is the Billionaires son groomed to be the greatest mage. He is pretty good, but he lacks the drive. He has boundaries set by the emperor and the laws of imperium
Please bring Pancreasnowork back on future episodes! He's so damn funny!
Omg yes I would love that!
Counter argument for Sigmar: he never burned Nurgle’s Garden BUT one of his Stormcasts in Plague Garden burned Nurgle himself. The novel specifically says that the lightning made Nurgle scream in pain.
So one of Sigmar’s champions accomplished an Emperor feat.
Counter argument for the counter argument (unless I'm wrong in which case, doh): the Chaos Gods in 40k are significantly stronger than their Fantasy/AOS counter part. Trillions upon trillions of humans accidentally-or purposefully-feeding 40k's Chaos Gods from even the most basic actions and emotions, if that Stormcast Eternal tried to do that to 40k's Nurgle he'd probably wouldn't have even scratched Nurgle. That being said, that Stormcast is a chad.
@@TeamOneDayCounter to the counters counter:
AoS gods are significantly stronger than 40K. Warhammer might be less stronger in that regards than 40K, that much is true, but AoS is to 40K what 40K is to Warhammer!
@@TeamOneDayI actually think the Warp is the same across settings. That’s why Belakor can be in both games with the same backstory.
But further, Gardus Steelsoul in one of the Realmgate Wars short stories went into Nurgle’s Garden for like 10-30 minutes. During that time, he saw superhuman warriors fighting with weapons he couldn’t understand, implying he saw space marines.
The idea of Gelt turning Ultramar into Venezuela is everything to me
I'm so sad they missed the joke of Gelt VS Guilliman being the Tax Evader VS the Tax Collector
Fantasy goes so hard, couldnt be happier to see Pancreas spread the good word
Gotta say that Guliman's counterpart has to be Yuan Bo. Bro is basically Chinsese Dragon Guiliman. The Dragon Children are as closest Fantasy gets to Primarchs, and Bo is pure logistics, troop movements, and paperwork.
Astrogoth vs Vaashtor would have been a cool one to talk about. Both fuel the Chaos war machine in their respective setting.
And honestly the dragon emperor is a good mirror to sigmar, he is a mythic creature who despite his insistence to the contrary, he is not a god but his people worship him as one. Their thoughts do not think of humanity as they are as people instead as more like cattle to guide to a higher purpose. The big difference between the two is that the Dragon Emperor has Quan
Gelt be like “Nice golden throne, how about a lead throne instead?”
The Balthazar just running around turning everything into lead or gold had me rolling for so long at work
"You put me and Teclis in a room together... and one of us is coming out pregnant"
*SPITS OUT MY COFFEE*
COLIN WHAT THE FUCK- XD
He said the same thing in his Teclis video as well. Absolutely unhinged.
The direction the Gelt thing went was the best thing I've heard in a long time.
I love how during the talk about Gelt vs Guilliman, they can't even talk about who is better in logistics, but instead talk about Gelt turning everything into lead and then dipping off.
"Guilliman couldn't predict someone being such an absolute prick"
Wrong, he met Lion El'Johnson during the Horus Heresy
Such is the power of Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Dreadnoughts are my favouirte
Love your content
It’s the prev related guy
Thanks dude
Btw. Been watching ur shit for a while. Love ur channel pls keep it up, dutch man
The whole Balthazar section of the video was hilarious
I need a story where Archaon learns that Abaddon has taken over 10 000 years to destroy the imperium, decides to go do Abaddon’s job and the chaos gods try to convince him not to. And Archaon ultimately decides not to after the great horned rat encourages him to go.
You guys gotta have Colin back on more often. This shit was hilarious 😂😂😂
It needs to be a Bretonia deep dive 😂
@@Romuls753 pancreas genuinley tweaking any time they're brought up
I love how Pancreas just Fantasy-pilled the whole podcast, especially with Gelt, just "fuck you" **turns your gold into lead**
Every so often, I need to come back to this JUST to hear Gelt vs Guilliman.
I got to that part for the first time and I’m trying my best to not scream in laughter and wake up my entire household
bruh, all I'm hearing is that in Fantasy, the big players of the setting actually have fun and show off their biggest feats, meanwhile the only feats that ive seen from 40K characters is middling at best. Sure, Angron cutting up a world in half with the help of Khorne is no simple feat, but Egyptian man no. 2 burned the entire Warp, meanwhile Egyptian man no. 1 nearly ASCENDED TO GODHOOD THREE TIMES.
They are having FUN over there, meanwhile I'm still fuming at the fact that Magnus, even with all his power, can't defeat a literal furry.
Man, im jealous of Fantasy fans right now, you guys are having fun watching your favorite characters pop off, i am fuckin jealous, I wanna see Magnus show up and fuck things up permanently for the setting, I wanna see Perturabo show up as a Primarch Dreadnought and fuck shit up, man... Today's a bad day to be a 40k fan.
Don't worry it's balanced out by the fact that GW is evil and the end times exist
Also the strongest guy in Fantasy is a fat wizard frog that casually moves stars to clown on chaos
Nobody fucks around when Kroak's in the room.
Long live the Children of the Gods.
A note on Bastian, he held that Azyr gateway against endless daemon hordes and fantasy’s version of Abaddon riding a three-headed daemon dragon While Still A Mortal Dude.
It was only after everyone left made it through and Bastian got gutted by the Kingslayer, a vile sword empowered by the 4 chaos gods so it can slay gods and obliterate souls, that he finally fell back through the closing gate grievously wounded.
But he was still too badass to die and be zapped up to become a Stormcast Eternal. He had to make the trip physically to the Anvil of Apotheosis so they could reforge him personally and Sigmar heal the soul wound the Kingslayer caused with one of the 12 Great Bolts(super magic bolts that can slay continent-sized monsters) which Then turned him into the 700 year old immortal badass we know now that can blast apart armies with either his sunderer god-hammer or orbital strikes he calls down from Heaven.
The whole thing with Gelt is fucking amazing. That was just... Constant 10/10 banter.
The _real_ match-up is everyone vs Gotrek Gurnison.
Its a trick question btw.
The answer is Gotrek will fight everyone anyway
Honestly am interested in seeing discussions of Cain vs Felix, both 1v1 and with stinky men support
Gotrik vs Gelt would be amazing after all that crackfiend discussion
Thats my protectron model :)
Glad yall liked em
I think Belisarius Cawl would have been a better comparison for Balthasar Gelt considering both just meme on their faction all the time and use enormous expenditures of resources just to pursue their personal hobbies.
I also think Karl Franz would have been a better comparison for Roboute Guilliman since both are figures who unite a fractured empire as avatars of their respective founders and lead a desperate defense against an overwhelming Chaos invasion.
Trazyn VS Gelt battle for the copper wire and the carburetor of a 2004 Toyota corolla
Picturing Nagash mocking Magnus as he beats him is already funny. But man Ghelt winning by causing Guilliman to go through economic recession has me dying 🤣
Abbadon was Chosen because his dadddy died too soon. Archaeon Is Ever Chosen because the gods have NO Choice but him. He keeps taking and fucking up their shit.
The entire Gelt segment was Gold (No pun intended).
It lead to some great puns
@@Brigtzen God damnit.
"If you put me and techlis in a room one of us is coming out pregnant." dear god I'm dead
Honestly, this just proves that the main factor of your entertainment franchise should be ENTERTAINMENT. 40k lost its sense of whimsy and thus lost its sense of fun. That's why even when power is wildly different people still prefer Fantasy
this. 40k kinda forgot how to have fun. it was better when the satire was more head on and it was just more silly for lack of a better term. it was more low stakes too because in earlier iterations the imperium wasn't assailed from all sides or anything, frankly the imperium's biggest threat was its own ineptitude in the beginning and that was hilarious, it was a mostly low stakes adventure of humans in space doing silly stuff and being unable to even remotely function due to no one really giving enough of a shit to fix the problems. now 40k takes itself WAY too seriously in my opinion.
And that’s why Fantasy died. Shut up you clown.
@@deathwatch962fantasy died because noone cared about gw as a whole and their entire company was failing before total war and 40k came out. If your going to be a head in your ass, obnoxious prick at least be knowledgeable on what your yapping about
3:20:45 I Love how during Reds realization that Toms argument means The Great Horned Rat is a good god, Pancreas is just revving up in the background
The Great Horned One possesed him .
Nagash exists and he is determined to make it everyones problem.
Such is the power of Nagash
The mental image of Balthasar Gelt just bashing in a Gellar Field Psyker's head with a brick fills my life with joy.
Who would win
Balthasar "Supreme" Gelt
or
The entire nation of Romania
Balthasar. Because he steals all Copper Wire of their stolen Cars so they cant catch him.
@@HeinrichMuller-mv6hn
Disagree.
Balthasar would win because he'd buy off the Police and the politicians and making himself the defacto ruler of Romania
Some characters have plot armor, the Orks are armor for the plot
Gelt: “MY WORK HERE IS DONE!”
Guilliman: “All you did was turn Abbadon to lead and rob the Imperium!”
Gelt: *Disappears.*
The pure opiate that is the guys going insane over Balthasar Gelt is why I'm gonna keep revisiting this vid.
As an add-on, Bricky calls Abbadon Kyle lol
I call him easy Kyle
Just the image of a masked wizard going under cars and taking Catalytic Converters is just so funny to me for some reason.
P.S. Screw you for the Gun Spear reasoning
Holy crap his pancreas literally doesn't work
This was your best episode so far
To be fair to Magnus; his entrance in the burning of Prospero is the best example of his magical prowess
To give Big E a credit over Malekidor about says making them sisters. Only someone who has never had sisters would say such a thing. I have brothers and sisters. My brothers fight it out and it's done. My sisters do not let go of grudges as much as any Dwarf.
Amen.
The emperor vs horned rat should have been a who is the worst dad competition.
I don't remember skaven rebelling against the horned rat
i mean the emperor hasnt ever eaten any of the primarchs...
That we know of
We know that it is somehow the emperor
@@fashionsoulsonlysouls5575Where do you think the 2nd legion and their primarch went?
Malekith and the Skaven are the main reasons why I prefer fantasy. The Tyranids are cool but I don’t understand why they’d be expected to replace the Skaven. Imagine a 40k equivalent to the Jezzail or clan eshin with stealth technology
Lascannon and Assasinorum
@@Jfk2Mr
A) Lascannons are cool, but not as big a gap as between normal fantasy and a jezzail as normal 40k and a lascannon
B) Straight up just not on the same level
40k's equivalent of the Skaven is the Imperium, just take one good look at a hive city and Imperial politics and tell me I'm wrong, the high lords of Terra literally tried to assassinate the son of their god as a power play ffs.
I have a moderate knowledge of 40k lore but have 0% clue of what's going on in AoS, Fantasy or End Times. I'm so fucking confused and yet so amazed
There's a proper reason why the Old World can still beat the daemons that the 40k soldiers have trouble with, despite just having pike and shot.
Warp is concepts. Of course a hammer will crush a skull, that's what it's made for. Its the Ork field on a larger scale.
yep, stop thinking in terms of raw physical power with the Warp and suddenly your mind expands tenfold.
It's why even Astartes in the beginning of the HH switched to using melee against daemons. It's just way more symbolic to use swords, and symbols do have power.
It's also why they reinstated the Librarius. Warp powers just beat warp beings better.
I went into this not knowing shit about fantasy but now i firmly believe that gelt, ikkit, setra, and genash are peak fiction.
Edit: it has come to my attention that i was talking about nagash, and not in fact the hindu god genesh. I will not change my comment however due to both honesty and its funny.
Its Nagash :^
Yes, but now I'm imagining Hindu Nagsh and sensibly chuckling
We needed a fight between Felix and Cain, not a fight between swords, but who can pull the most women
The real titanic clash
I have read both series and i gotta say cain has pulled more but felix as a better women time ratio he pulled all his in a few years meanwhile cain is over 100 years old
If you count undead women Felix wins.
Best part of Balthasar turning people into gold and then lead is that you aren't any more fucked as one or the other, he probably just doesn't want you to be all that valuable.
I had to pause at 2:02:42 because I was laughing so hard. I think Gelt might be the primarch of the Blood Ravens.
When it comes to lore and story the fantasy/AOS characters CRUSH their 40K cousins, mainly because in Fantasy/AOS the non humans actually get some sort of attention and are allowed to do something
1:55:45 I think that in Balthazar's childhood when he barely knew about magic but wanted to study at the Colleges of Magic in Altdorf to, you know, BECOME as good at magic as he is now, he lived a good distance away. That's why it was a temporary transmutation spell because he just couldn't do better.
But he didn't need to, he got himself a 90% discount and he's riding that high to this day.
Manfred V errebus would have been a good match, cuz I feel like they are each other's equivalent
If you guys do this again, I nominate The Emperor vs. Lord Kroak.
One casually creates and moves stars, the other is the Emperor
And “nuh uh”’d dying
@horsenuggets1018 "when you possess you corpse after dying just cuz fuck dying"
I think it's worth mentioning that Grotsnik also installed the adamantine plate on Ghazghkull's head that gave him his name. But according to Makari in the Ghaz book, that plate might have come from a suit of Terminator armor. Which part, you ask? The ass, naturally.
2:16:39 One of you said "Ifunny" while I was paintin my minis, and I don't know which one of you did it, but that made my head snap so fast I almost paralysed myself 💀
You know, if literally EVERYONE in the Fandom just ignores Sigmar possessing Franz in his battle with Archeon, there's literally nothing gamesworkshop can do about it.
Idk what you are talking about. They stopped making fantasy after Grimgor head butt Archeon and went home.
2:10:18
"Five-eighths of fuck all"
Added to my repertoire
Same
id love a 10 hour version of this, great goddamn chemistry between everyone, amazing comedy and always love to hear about 40k and fantasy/sigmar, all are great settings
i Think Gulliman VS Karl Franz wouldve been a WAY better matchup
More intresting karl still win sin literally every catagorey except for combat
Bastian Carthalos in the battle of the burning skies lead a personal charge with his tribe against Archaon himself, and even mortally wounded carried the wounded and led them to the gates of azyr and held off while his people escaped. Even with a mortal wound from Droghar, he held the line to ensure the escape of innocents.
All before becomint stormcast. He had to personally be hit with a great bolt of lightning by Sigmar himself to actually become a Stormcast Eternal because he simply wouldn’t die as a mortal.
"DID SOME TWINK BLOOD ANGEL DESECRATE MY ARMOR!?!?"
3:12:10 i genuenly love the idea of the Emperor, being this ancient human, channeling the energy of every well meaning but sexist grandpa ever. The type of guy to say ''silence woman!'' without an ounce of hatred just becuase thats how hes said it for the past 50.000 years.
He cares not for your feelings, only that you stop fucking up every once and a while.
You know that moment when you don't really understand what people are saying but their laugh is so stupidly contagious you just start laughing yourself?
We need a sequel to this vid, it’s just so fucking fun!
Pancreas is a GOAT
GOAT at being a sellout who glazes fantasy like its going out of style, GOAT of biased takes perhaps.
@@trollking6315 He enjoys memes and goofiness vs the absurdly over dark try hardness of 40k. Cant say i blame him.
Also the power scaling of fantasy IS just flat insane vs what 40k does when it comes to magic, which is where allot of these arguments go.
@@trollking6315 oh no the man has fun. Who gives a shit if he is biased towards fantasy, he's entertaining and fun to listen to
Missed opportunity to gush about ciaphas cain and gotrek and felix in a comparison between the two
Tbh despite the fact that 40k draws heavy inspiration from christianity for its aesthetics, when it comes down to the story of the primarchs, big E, Erda, and overall the founding myth for the modern Imperium it reminds me much more of the Greek Pantheon rather than christian cannon. Hell, Vulkan is LITERALLY named after the roman god equivallent to heaphestus, he was supposedly to live under Mt.Etna too which seems like it translates directly into 40k's Vulkan with the world of Nocturne.
Yes, and it's very cool, coz Abrahamic God not mess around, he is busy with important (and boring) "cosmic stuff". It's hard to make a story with such deity. BUT Greek gods is just like primarchs, with their own flaws and capable of basic human emotions envy, anger, vulnerable to the seduction of ruinous powers like chaos - it's a golden ground for story telling. And then we learn that each Primarch was a facet of the Emperor's soul. Horus himself embodied His ambitions. Conflict was almost inevitable.
I need an Ciaphis Cane Vs Felix Jaeger. I feel like they're similar in character with Cane's Imposter syndrome, and Felix's desperately trying to not die every time he follows Gotrek into battle. Also wondering if Amberly Veil is to Ciaphis as Gotrek is to Felix lmao
In a duel? Felix wins in swordsmanship.
@@d.n5287To be fair, Cain did hold back a Khornate Space Marine in melee
Upon hearing of the Votann titan war walker in this vid, it is now my One Piece.
The War Walker, it EXISTS!
THE VOTANN WALKER IS REAL
Erebus vs Manfred would have been a great fight between two most hated characters.
To this day I yearn for a 40k skaven faction
Since 40k imperium is already skaven equivalent only proper implementan of soace Rats would be Elector Rats
they'd be to powerful
Guilliman being not funny was even lampshaded during the scene where he declared picking up a pen his "greatest enemy"
Also Nagash would devastate the Imperium because he would just stop all corpse starch production
apparently the great horned rat is more accurately at least according to the wiki as the god of Decay, Ruin, Pestilence, Strife, Hunger, Ambition, Survival, Skaven, and Rats
Sounds like a very pleasant person.
Grimgors origins is that he was a slave to the chaos dwarfs and then he led a revolt
So yeah, he ate his teacher.
This was cursed, I love it.
Plz bring the elf fucker back, he funni.
Unironically, I think the Vottan will really shine when they're put into a game like Gladius or if we get a book featuring a sustained battle.
In Age of Wonders Planetfall, a 4x game/turn based tactics game, they have a race called the Dvar, who are Diselpunk russian space dwarves. On the tactical side, they play like regular fantasy dwarves mixed with imperial guard in that they set down fortifications and lay down artillery until whatever they were fighting is dead. On the strategical side, however, they do just as the Votann do. They mine the area they reside in and strip the resources of the planet bare, allowing them to fuel their industrial warmachine.
In 40k while the Votann are fighting the imperium/xenos it would really show their strength that while the other factions need to requisition new vehicles and reinforcements as they lose them (which will take forever if youre the imperium) the Votann can keep pumping them out on the planets surface as they continue to drain the planets of its metals and minerals from the earth and energy from the stars almost like a reverse tyranids. Except in the votanns case, retreating from them or scorching the earth bare doesn't stop them. It'll really show how despite being fairly sidelined compared to other major races, it can be very difficult to displace them from where they choose to do their work and I think a 4x game like Gladius would ge perfect way to present that. They just need a second wave so they have a bigger variety of units so uh get on that GW
Why does Archaeon beat Abaddon?
Judges: He’s cooler
He's better
WHY IS “TWINK” MY TRIGGER WORD?!!?
Manfred vs Erebus, battle of the worst things to walk.
Manfred killed fantasy captain Jack sparrow nothing Erebus did comes close.
@Andrewza1, he did stab the only good Word Bearer in the back.
@@li32150We remember Argel Tal, literally the only decent Word Bearer
Absolutely lost my shit at steal catalytic converters from Land raiders
You guys HAVE to do this More Often!
Have you ever see women that don't like each other interact? Big E thinking Malcador was joking is perfectly reasonable. Either that or Malcador is a MASSIVE shut-in.
I don't know what kinda women you meet but there's a whole reason why girls gossiping is a stereotype.
Can honestly go either way, hate each other on-sight or get along swimmingly. In any case, the former may have been the author’s way of jokingly explaining why all the Primarchs are male.
It should have been Cawl vs Gelt. Truly, two geniuses of their setting…. But I think they’d end up working together
That'd send the four, big E and Sigmar packing all at once.
Gotrek and Felix vs Ciaphas Cain and Jurgen
OK I didn't want to get into it, but if the primarchs were women, they would not automatically get along better, malcador is less likely to have ever been with a woman than the emperor if he's said that, women are absolutely brutal to one another. Female on female bullying is way more common than given credit publicly.
Yeah, anyone who had sisters growing up will tell you the Heresy would still happen. Means and motive might change but the result won’t
Quote:
"Don't try to understand women. Women understand women, and they hate each other."
Counterpoint: "Female bullying" would've lead to girly Kurze and Angron being out of the picture already pre-heresy for one reason or another (imagine an organizer of Girlyman's capacity going full "Mean Girls" on them).
Queen bee Horus still rebels, but the blow to the imperium would be a lot softer without World Eaterettes and Night Ladies in the picture.
gelt v. gman and gelt turns the imperial palace into lead and just leaves
The thumbnail is so friggin good, I really want that as a poster
Why, becasue they made him browner than Normal?
All it needs is a fight date and ticket price at the bottom
LALAPALOOZA
Pancreas did a great job convincing everyone fantasy is better
1:44:42 It's not would pancreas, it's "Will".
Abbadon is Archaeon in the Total War setting after being relegated to a DLC and not being updated until like the 3rd DLC in the 3rd game.
"You will never have the 40,000th Warhammer!"
"In the end, you will never know Age of Sigmar."
We truly live in an Age of Sigmar
I love the silent king’s model, but I do wish they did a little more to distinguish him from other Necron nobility. That why I plan on trying to free hand paint Necron iconography on his body in silver over his standard bronze/dark gold (help me). And he needs way more lore.
Also, more rats! Rats rats rats!
missed oportunity to not put ironhide from transformer vs gaskull as the image in the back until you correct it 23:44