Hello, gangsters and gangsterettes, I am uploading this because most music platforms, due to my own lack of music production knowledge, have a bastardised, quiet and distorted version of this album. As much as it would be apt of me to just ignore it and move on, I would love that MSR fans have the raw files somewhere, youtube felt like the best place (I am very conscious that youtube will still compress the fuck out of this but shhhh, let me live in blissful ignorance) I've been gone for a lil while, I know, but I thought I would let you know I am doing well and will eventually return! You tend to always hear of artists and performers stepping away from the “world at large” and even today some of my favourite artists and bands have an almost viscerally restricted private life. I sympathise with them but was always very thankful that, thanks to my online background, that would not be the case for me and I could easily step on and off the stage in a state of zen like so many other performers I admire. Unfortunately, upon finishing my second run of shows in 2023, I realised that was not the case and that the effects of performing would be something I must learn how to reckon with each time. I am an introvert pretending to be an extrovert, which is something that is a lot easier when your stage is a computer screen. Less so when it's a room of over 10k people. This ended up doing quite a big number on my mental health. It's a weird one, because I am so aware of the privilege and honour to get to travel the world singing silly songs for crowds as magnificent and dedicated as Lovejoy fans, and yet also aware of how little I know myself and how little I know about actually DOING the whole stage thing without my brain evaporating. Thanks to advice (from lots of people far smarter than me) I have decided to take a little break. I will come back with a big ol bunch of streams in the future I’m sure but, until then, I have rented a lil place in new york solo and have been wearing knit-caps, shopping at Whole Foods and saying things are sooooo last season while taking photos of coffee cups. Many of you know I’ve always wanted to live in America for a brief stint and I am so excited to be living my dream. I have many friends lined up to come visit me and I’m sure they’ll roll their eyes as I recount the anachronistic history of every US monument we see. I'm so lucky to be able to take leave like this and, I also should do it without the whole sob story, but I really want to thank you guys for sticking around with me and being earnestly fascinated (I hope) by my art and what I do. I cannot thank you enough, but I can certainly try! THANK YOU (even if you get my lyrics painfully wrong😚) Until then, there are so many things coming very soon I am excited to show you. I am currently knee deep in writing the Lovejoy debut album and I am thrilled to work on a big, cohesive story in music form (something I haven’t been able to do with EPs) with some of my best, most talented friends. There's a single on the near horizon and a bunch of different #content for you to eat like little internet silkworms! At the end of this year I will be donating every penny this video earns x10 to a selection of mental health charities. I will update this comment with how much it was and which charities by 2025. UPDATE 31/12/24: Proceeds of 15k will be split evenly between CALM (Campaign Against Living Miserably) and Mind at the start of January www.thecalmzone.net/what-we-do www.mind.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/ I hope you're all doing well, and if you're not, I know it gets better. You just gotta trust me. Stay comfy, don't let the bed-bugs bite and remember that mauve is soooo mid-century. Love, Will :) ua-cam.com/video/7lECIsRif10/v-deo.html&
Just saying, this isn't a new era, if you haven't i recomend listening to the other sad soft wilbur music "Your city gave me asthma" (an album) and "Maybe I was boring" (I believe that's the name of the second album i'm thinking of, if not it's the name of one of the songs anyways and it'll be easy to find the album searching it. Whoever read all of this have a good day, you are loved
Adding to the comment about his other music, he also has a trilogy of joke songs in his gaming channel and some other older joke music in this channel I believe
@@vlinderXXI I’ve been listening to his music since the nice guy anthem, I know he has other music that sounds like this album. Admittedly a “new era” is a stretch but the post editing and mastering effects and sounds seem like a new thing.
These comments are actually so well thought. Unlike on the other platforms or social medias, where they don’t think and effortlessly send hate nor death threats. I hope both Wilbur and Shelby gets the needed support and help without receiving such horrible feedbacks and comments. The world is cruel already, there’s no need to make it more cruel :).
my thoughts exactly! I hate the pain that he has caused shelby and my whole heart goes out to her situation. No one deserves to be abused like that and I can see that she is such a strong and beautiful person. As for wilbur, I hope he has reached out to her privately to apologize, and I hope he is also seeking serious treatment if he hasn't already. I hope both creators can heal and grow from this :)
Your City Gave Me Asthma and Mammalian Sighing Reflex are so comforting. i remember listening to the former 24/7 during covid when everything in my life was so bleak. MSR feels like a hug from an old friend i haven't seen in a while. edit: well fuck me :/
yeah it’s kinda wild how hard this album hit when i first heard it; i couldn’t listen to the whole thing because it felt too nostalgic/bitter lmao (i can’t find the right word).
YCGMA was an album that saved my life and helped to guide me through a horribly dark time. Its creator was similar, bringing comfort and genuine hope to me in the advice he would give and preach. MSR was similar, too. It felt like a victory after a storm and although it wasn't my own, it felt so deeply personal. I'm a strong believer that genuine art cannot be faked. I find it hard to believe any of this is fake- but I'm also finding it very hard to comprehend the devastation so many people have now been put through. The news of it made me cry myself sick; something I've never done before. I hope I never do it again, because this is not a feeling anyone should have to deal with- and that only makes me wonder how disgustingly horrid a direct victim of these actions would have felt. As a lifelong atheist, my immediate reaction was genuinely to pray for them. I feel so ashamed of myself and so much guilt, now knowing what I loved and supported for so many years. So beyond disappointed. I don't think there's a word other than distraught that I can even begin to use- and I don't know if it'll matter. I don't know if you'll care. If this album was something real, then I believe you could maybe care a little bit, but I don't know how caring about it now will fix the problem. However, if you do care, then you must still have some shred of the person that we were taught to believe existed- and in that case, as furious as this all makes me, I hope you find some help and that this never happens again. It shouldn't have happened even once. I want to believe you at least know that now. Closure is such a privilege in these situations and I hope the person and people who need it most may find it. To anyone else, please take care of yourself. You're not wrong for being fooled. It's not your fault and I know you will be okay. Otherwise, take people's serious claims at face value and take time to process your emotions. Failing to do so can result in a lot of damage that cannot be undone. Much love to those who need it, and even if you don't think it's deserved. Especially those who think they're undeserving. I'm sorry to everyone who lost something integral to themselves because of this. Music is personal as anything and I hope you find something to fill that space.
goddamn. yeah I’m still trying to process how to feel about all of this. I believe shelby completely, but I just don’t know how to take this sort of news. I’ve been supporting wil since smplive, 4-5 years ago and I guess I got trapped in something parasocial, because I felt heard by his music, trying to drop his music feels so wrong to me. I’ve been recommending friends his music, family, and now what can I saw to them about this? I hope both wilbur and all the people he’s hurt get the help they need.
I Still dont understand why people dont understand this. None of it has been confirmed by Shelby. There isn't even enough proof it is specifically him and nobody else in the world who matches her description. He's a very sweet man, and this hasnt been confirmed to be him yet, so dont assume@axowelp
@@Firdaus-M I don't want to be combative or start any argument here, but I would like to suggest that you look more into what victims have been saying. As said by them- there are a lot of reasons why an abuse victim may not want to name their abuser, or may not even be able to. Between legal reasons and their own safety- from the abuser going after them to anyone who wants to defend him as well- or even being accused of defamation just for speaking out. I totally understand where you're coming from and I felt similarly for a while. After taking some time however, I realized that not only does it seem that all the details point to a specific person, but I can't feasibly think of anyone else who fits the descriptions. There is always a possibility of being wrong in any situation like this, but I would highly suggest you take these things into account, for your own peace of mind and for the sake of others. If the wrong person was being so heavily accused, I truly do believe a victim would clear that up, instead of clarifying that victims sometimes don't have full control of their own voices. I can't imagine any victim would want someone innocent to be wrongly accused while their true abuser moves on without awareness.
I really hate what im feeling right now. YCGMA, saline solution and jubilee line honestly saved me and everything after just gave me more life, it got me into guitar and music. Saline solution was 1 of the first songs i played on the guitar But knowing now that there may have been diffrent meanings to your songs some horrible conotations. And knowing what i know now. It kills me man. It hurts so bad i hate it. I have no idea what to do with it. No idea on anything anymore.
nah dude, ur assuming so much he did a shitty thing... but youre digging into the person now... and sometimes it just aint that deep... he hurt people yes, he hurt us the fans too, he probably lost a lot, he deserved to, but his songs are still about something completely different, this album probably has some stuff that actually relate to the situation but if his music spoke to you and you interpreted it in a way, you shouldnt lose what it meant to you cuz the guy who made it did one bad thing.
I read through lyrics... Isn't it also reminiscence about last relationship? There's enough of abuse talking (a lot of line that paints narrator as a victim or a partner of a narrator as a victim), a lot of self-hatred ("Mammalian..." has at least three tracks with self-hatred tone), thinking about partner (and there's no indication that it is not an ex).
tbh their relationship was a while ago and its a mistake, yes, but i really don't think we should let it define him.. i doubt his whole life revolves around that so he's probably not singing about that most of the time, haha.
i cant help but come back to this album and maybe i was boring and ycgma despite everything that happened, i looked up to you for probably 4 or 5 years of my life ever since the arg. i will be back here again someday i know so. my favorite song is trying not to think about it. i've played it at live shows of my own even if people see me as a different person for slightly interacting with you, lovejoy and dsmp, revivebur, everything you've done has influenced me so much as a person and who i am now i cant help but miss how i felt about a year ago when i met you for the first time in nashville. you didnt even come and talk to anyone until like 4 or 5 in the morning i was tired as hell but it didnt matter because i got to talk to you even if it was simply a "hi wilbur can you sign this also thank you for everything" i know this will get lost in comments to the internet and will probably never see the light of day and it probably will never matter. but throughout my life. there will always be a corner that is yours. and for every song i write there will be signs of you in it. will I hate what you may have done but i have one last parting gift. "I cant say that I wasted my time because I'm built by you" - Wilbur soot, for memories all I can say, is thank you. thank you will for all that you did while it wasnt all hated
Honestly their fault for falling for the "soft boy, who respects women and cares about all the other important world issues" trap. He poked fun at this blind admiration of an internet celeb in almost all of the music he released.
@@ilya1488krutoj you're not completely wrong. But the thing is that his music and persona got a lot of people out of some pretty dark times. And the way the human minds are programmed, the people immediately just fell in love with this "relatable" character
@@ilya1488krutoj it's not their fault for going through awful things nobody should have to go through and finding wilbur's music, enjoying it, and using it as the comfort for them they never had. let people cope.
i just want to say, wilbur, i don't like what you did, but i truly hope you become a better person. you helped me through my darkest moments, and i always come back to your music when im at my lowest. ik you are able to change, and i believe in you. i hope both you and shelby are doing well.
@A5h3rtheth3ri4n i've heard a lot of different views on this situation, and both Shelby and wilbur have been blamed. I'm not too sure who to believe, but if Shelby did lie, that is messed up bc she just DESTROYED wilburs' reputation, which is just messed up in so many different ways. im trying to stay as neutral as possible. I just hope both are doing ok, and if wilbur did abuse Shelby, I hope he is getting the help he needs, and i hope Shelby is OK too. I just know messed up things have happened from both wilbur and Shelby's side, and it's just sad :(
@A5h3rtheth3ri4n honestly though, that is decent evidence to prove that she is lying and i have heard it before, but we could never be too sure that she's lying and it's not the best to immediately assume she's lying. If she is, im going to cry of happiness because i still love wilburs music, and i feel guilty even listening to it, but it's helped so much through these last couple of years. his music saved me, and i pray shelby was lying.
My method of coping has started out as wild bursts of intense emotions, depressive states that left my head heavy, anxiety so bad my chest burned, anger so hot my body shook. While for some here that may seem like way too much of a reaction, for me it was expected. The man was someone who made me laugh out loud instead of just a squeeze of my eyes and an exhale. He made me feel human as someone who struggles showing emotions outwardly. I don’t think there’s any possible way I can describe how important that is for someone like me, it’s just how it’s always been. I'd go from "it's over" to "how Dare he?" to "but did he?" to "He did it. It hurts. And that's okay." to "it's not okay, he's a monster" to "but maybe he's getting better now". Then the statement was released and without thinking harder on it, trying to form an actual opinion outside of what I was seeing other people say, I raged. I ranted to myself how I wanted horrible things to happen to him, which was out of character for me and what I normally stand for. But then I stopped looking at the sites and thought of MY opinion. How I felt. Looked over the wording myself. Processed things at my own pace rather than the pace I was forcing upon myself. Talked with friends who aren't part of the community but could empathize with what I was feeling. And I made my conclusion. The statement was released way too early for anyone to take it any other way, most likely pushed by PR. Was that a shitty decision? Yes. And while I will support the possibility of growth and getting better in the future, and will probably not cut all content with him out because of that, I cannot and will NEVER support his actions. What he did is abhorrent and will never be what I support. I can choose to neither forgive, or forget, but I can move forward. What he did and how his initial statement sounded was shitty. But change can take months, even years. Learning to truly recognize behavior as bad can take time on it's own. Even if things keep coming out that make my stance hard to keep, I'm nothing if not needlessly stubborn and in the end, this is more about me sticking to what my beliefs are no matter how difficult it gets. I am allowed to hope he gets help and eventually return improved just as much as others are allowed to leave the era of their lives he was a part of behind. I am allowed to support the possibility of healing for everyone without condoning his actions. I am allowed to hope that everyone, I mean EVERYONE, involved in the situation to come out okay. Maybe not good, but at least okay. And just because I'm remaining open to a second chance does not mean you have to. If you want to watch things from the good times to cope, then don't feel bad for needing to approach the situation differently. If you are not sure yet and want to pretend things are fine until it all calms down, then that is just as valid as cutting everything related to him off immediately. You want to burn your merch in some symbolic bonfire as you play 80's rock music, all the power to you. Humans are complicated and there is never a Correct emotional response to something like this. The only response that is never okay is hurting yourself or threatening hurt upon others. My endless support to Shelby because she is literally so brave and I don't think I'll ever have anywhere close to the strength she has shown by coming forward. There are things that messed me up from over a decade ago that I still haven't opened up about and the people they involve are just everyday people. For her to have come forward, especially after he had been touring and exposed to millions of people is so powerful, she's like a superhero to me. Send her all your support and love. She fucking deserves it and more. She should not be blamed by ANYONE for what happened and is happening. Let her heal, let her keep being strong and amazing in everything she does, both in terms of healing and her content. Just because I'm focusing on my feelings about things does not mean that she doesn't mean so much more here. And to you, Wilbur, if you even bother looking at the comments here, especially now, know this: Just because I'm supporting the possibility of growth and improvement does not mean I don't think the you right now is pathetic. You hurt so many people who you called friend just to feel more control of your own life. You may never get those people back, and need to understand that you'll probably never have what you had again. You were so afraid of trying to get better that you doubled down and made yourself and others worse off for it. Donate every single penny from this album to charities that help and support abuse survivors, take a few years away from the internet. If you have any close friends left after this in private, good. If you don't, find a public support group. And while I said second chance, I never will give you anything further. You knew it was abuse because you were scared of being accused of it. And again, my rage towards your actions is immense and your prior lack of self betterment to be pathetic. However, I'm still going to hold firm in my belief that improvement is always possible, and you needed this push, unfortunately. My takeaway is always going to be to support the victims first. But focus on yourself as well. Just because you are not directly involved does not mean your hurt and shock is not as valid. Just because it's not 'big and life-altering' does not mean it's not sort of traumatic for some people. Have a good cry, drink some water. If you have a pet, give them so much love and kisses until your brain melts from the oxytocin. Go to a friend's house and watch movies with them while eating shitty junk food as you make fun of the cheesiest of special effects. Go outside. Not in a 'you need to touch grass' way, but in a 'sit on the steps of where you live and feel the sun on your face', or maybe 'look at the stars in the sky', or 'listen to the sound of rain from the porch'. This hurts. But that's okay. It's okay. You're okay
@bruh I can support the possibility of growth without supporting what he did or who he is now. It is entirely possible for me to think that without giving support in any way that would benefit him in any other way, especially not monetarily. I do not have to follow him or subscribe to him to do so. The only reason I came to this video was for the sole purpose of giving the wider community it not only my stance, but the knowledge that just because they aren't having what people are considering a normal way about going about this, does not make them invalid, and to give whatever small kind of comfort I can. I literally said that it goes against the nature of who I am to not acknowledge the possibility of improvement, even if it can seem unlikely. And that is why I am choosing to have this response. This is what I choose to believe I would do for a stranger if given the same information that I have. It is what I have always done and always will do. I noticed that you are leaving comments similar to this in multiple people's comments. You are going out of your way to by all means shame people for their method of coping instead of ignoring and not engaging at all, which by all means would not only have been the more mature option but also the easier option. I will not shame you for what I know is something you are doing out of what I can only assume is anger at the situation and anger at people who blindly still give him full support in everything and choose ignorance over reflection. However, the method you are using for doing so is questionable at best, and just causing more damage at worst. The community is divided enough about this issue, we do not need more infighting on top of that. I hope you realize that. I will not argue with anyone further about this. I do not care if you or anyone else replies to this, because I will not be feeding into this. :) I hope you and anyone reading this still has a nice day/night regardless. Remember to eat/drink water/take your meds if you have them and haven't done so already.
This.. honestly gave me some clearance in my head as I listen to this album through a speaker, litteraly in a bathrobe. Just not knowing what to think of about everything anymore of this man. But thank you for sharing. If it helped you then it helped me. Take time, let time pass, let deep and shallow wounds heal. It'll all heal eventually with forgiveness or forget - kyrin (If I miscomprehended your message, then I apologize. You already know his small portion of his fanbase is still just clueless on what to do now, I am a part of that portion and is just crying to comprehend everything like a child faced with their parent doing something wrong and does not know how to act)
Cmon, will. You can change everything. Several years is what you need, you surely reconciled your misstakes enough at this point that you are not repeating them. I believe in you
just spent the past 35 minutes sitting outside and listening to this whole thing again with good headphones and holy shit. there’s so many little things you don’t totally get on spotify, so many layers and little details that just go to show how much care and love was put into this. time to go back to the real world.
You've been my idol since 2018. Since I was a kid. I'd fall asleep to YCGMA, crying because I related. Your music helped me so much. I did the same with this album, I cried when it came out. I fell asleep crying that night because this album meant so much to me. I played it all day at school for the next week. I taught myself all your songs. You were the reason I bought a guitar at 11. You've inspired me so, so much. You've not only hurt Shelby and your friends; you've hurt us. Your fans. The teens that really looked up to you. You failed us so hard. I know this isn't over; we all mess up. You just messed up worse. I believe that you can get better and redeem yourself, even if not everyone can forgive you-rightfully so. Please try to get better and really show that you're trying. You've been so important to me and it really hurts that you've turned out this way. Or that you've been this way. Please prove that you're not a completely bad person. Just a person who us flawed.
Your city gave me asthma was the only thing that comforted me in a really bad time. I was dealing with abuse which i thankfully got away from but that album was the only thing that made me feel understood. I could relate every line of jubilee line to my life at the time. I’m so disappointed that the person who unknowingly helped me through my abuse would abuse another. I’m proud that he went to therapy and he’s trying to get better but I can’t in good faith still actively support him in the same capacity that I used to. I suppose all this is to say that ycgma and msr are my two favorite albums and they will always have a special place in me, but i will no longer support a man that so clearly disregards the good of his loved ones for personal gain. As always support the victims and support shubble. His response between his apology and treatment of his mods have been horrible. Although Wilbur’s friends should still support him as well, it is clear that he was sick and I sincerely hoped he gets better. His friends need to make sure that he gets better. As for me I plan to cover all of his songs because they meant so much to me but I don’t necessarily want to listen to wilbur at the moment.
I flopped my very important tests in school because all these tings going in through my head. I sleep every night knowing that the hurt the community. I really hope u get well Wilbur. I wish to meet u one day. We will give u the time u need.
I'm still gonna listen to this album, at least til the end of this year. If you are gonna keep your word about the charity. Its comforting to me, I hope you can get better.
There’s really nothing quite like mourning someone who isn’t even dead. A good part of me is still in denial. What were you thinking? Of all things you said in that apology of yours, I hope you were telling the truth about seeking help. That’s all I want from you now. I want you to get help. These poor people.. I pity even myself for putting so much faith and love into someone who doesn’t even know all of the faces of those he left feeling betrayed. If I ever hear from you again, (and frankly, I hope you don’t decide to end all of this on such a despicable note) I really hope it’s something good. Please, for the love of god, if you’re going to surprise us again, be it for something good.
Everyone has flaws, we found willburs. You don't have to hate him you just have to acknowledge that he's no idol and someone who just needs to work on self improvement. The world doesn't get better from hate, I personally still respect him greatly and am looking forward to his growth in the future.
@@bcw1nc865 i agree completely that the world doesnt get better from hate, my comment wasnt meant to spread hate either, just expressing my sheer disappointment and displeasure for the recent news. I have been a fan of Wilbur since the Soothouse days, and I don’t know what Wilbur could possibly be thinking right now. I think the best thing he can do is take a step back from everything, stay out of the lives of those who dont want him in their lives, and really truly work on those strides of great improvement he claims he’s been making. If even a sliver of the person I saw behind that screen that I grew so fond of over the years was real, I really only hope he chooses not to stay miserable, I hope that he actually recognizes the damage he’s done and ends up doing the right thing.
@@crispber yeah me and my friends have just been hoping he works on himself while he continues to write Lovejoys first album and comes back maybe this fall
Glad you are at least still donating the money. 15k is not a small amount, and will go to helping multiple people live better lives. Remember Will, if you need help, there are many ways and avenues. You might have done shitty things, but you don’t deserve the amount of hate (death threats and such), you got. Hope you had a good Christmas William Gold, and enjoy the coming year. Glad you’re still alive.
this album is so incredible. i always thought nothing could beat ycgma but this is just so so good. the lyrics as well as songs themselves are just absolute masterpieces. this music is the type you want to just engrave in your soul. i can’t put into words how well wil did creating this, absolutely amazing
i’ve been through the ringer these past two months. mine/yours is the biggest punch in the gut and biggest comfort in the world to me. MSR is a masterpiece. it has helped me through more than you’ll ever know. thank you, Will.
Hey Wilbur. Idk if u will ever see this, but if u do I just want u to know your music and your old streams/videos have rlly helped me a lot lately. I also saw lovejoy play in august and you guys were so amazing. I hope you’re doing well, and the cover you did by the fish’s grave was so cool lol Thank you for everything you do. I can’t wait to see what you do in the future, but whatever amazing thing you create I’m sure it will be awesome
I forget wilburs stuff has always meant so much to me i got such a crazy fuzzy feeling seeing this album first come out cos it came out of nowhere and I can't lie I maniacally chuckled as I rolled around in my bed and fell asleep with it on loop
i really love this album and you randomly dropping it out of no-where completely worked for me. i was in a really dark place at that time and every one of these songs so relatable. this album really helped me and i’m glad you’re doing okay
man, whatever you did was bad, it was fucking bad, but that doesnt mean you cannot prevent it from happening again. Get the help that you need and we trust you to see you emerge as a new man. Stay strong and aware
@@mrcrouton43 no problem, I felt like this situation quickly escalated as it should have. However most responses felt like "hey will, you should go do bad things to yourself because you did this." I dont feel that way, as a kid who might've never gotten the attention to this problem it grew into a habit thats hard to get rid of; like nail bitting, smoking etc. I'm not saying its good but its still changeable.
life hasn’t been the best for me. i’ve been terribly anxious every day and it’s been eating away at my motivation. i get very overwhelmed, then frustrated, then anxious, and it’s just a really terrible cycle. i can probably attribute that to school. i feel so left behind and so lost compared to the rest of the people around me. whenever i feel anxious though, i blast this album in my ears and lie down. it’s been a huge stress reliever and helped to calm my nerves down. i’ve been working harder to take more care of myself, and listening to this album has been a leading step in that process, so thank you wilbur :) and everyone else going through stuff right now, i hope you all find the peace that you deserve. you’re loved and worth so much more than you think :))
every week i come back here just to read a new wave of heartbroken and betrayed comments. it feels like one of those drug rehabilitation centres, where everyone sits together to share their stories and struggle. its insane how much this one person has affected us all. i used to laugh at people obsessed with celebrities' lives, but i get it now. its crushing to see your idols fall. I'll try not to come back here next week, but i dunno if i could resist. i guess its just my cope. take care everyone, and try to get away from this.
The disappointment transcends description. Five years I've followed along on the journey. Heart crushing. There's always that unknown, the risk that comes with putting any trust in an internet figure without knowing their character, I can say for certain you've disappointed and betrayed our trust. Where I once turned to your music and humor to aid me in getting through my days I now feel stretched thin for the way your stuff helped me get through things I won't voice, but now feels contaminated. Sorry to myself that I'm now saying goodbye to what * was * one of the best things that happened to me.
i hope he has reached out to shelby privately to apologize. No one deserves to be abused like shelby was and wilbur needs to seek treatment if he isnt already. I hope both of them heal and grow from this experience. #shelbysupportsquad #wilbursupportsquad
Just wanted to say, thank you Wilbur. You literally saved my life both with your streams, buds and songs. You will always be believed in, loved and supported by your true fans. Hope you have an amazing life ahead, surrounded by friends, family and fans. #WilburSupportSquad #LoveforLovejoy
The first time I remember crying to music was the first time I heard your song "For Memories" on Maybe I Was Boring. In that moment I imagined you were my older brother sitting by a fire strumming away at your guitar and that image made me break down crying. I've spent so much time listening to your music, watching your videos and streams, and buying your merch. We said "hey" to each other as you passed by to get to the venue when I went to watch you and your band perform last year. What you did doesn't truly surprise me (your music has always been about how you are bad at relationships) but the worst part is you made an album all about how sad hurting someone made you. I'm not saying you can't become a better person and find forgiveness but very few people do. To know that if I told you that story about crying to For Memories you probably would've laughed in my face hurts my soul more than you could possibly imagine. The only solace I find in this situation is the fact it seems you burned every bridge with basically every creator imaginable and a good portion of your fans will never let you move on from this and will mention it at every turn.
finally have the peace to come back to his music without thinking about the situation but for his great music + god i hope he still donates to charity after all this
im actually so proud of everyone that came here to comment and talk about how much they grow up since they have been listening to you, wilbur, and to be honest it’s the same for me! I’ve been listening to every single song from lovejoy to your solo songs because i love them and they mean a lot to me because it reminded me of my past self to someone I want to be in the future.. like a reminder to not be like my old self (? Its kind hard for me to explain but i hope you can understand) But i guess what i wanted to say is that Thank you Wilbur and Thank you guys for being here! Because of you I grew up understanding a little better who i am :)
I understand. This community is such a positive and supportive one ❤ for the better part of the past 4-5 years or so, I've been listening to his music, and I think it effected me a lot & helped me a bunch. It's nice to see it helped so many others, too
I miss you. I always come back when it's rough for me and your music is so relatable and helps me through a lot. More than my flake of a therapist for sure. I wish you well Wilbur. I hope you continue making more music in the future. I really hope you do eventually.. I miss you
To those who still love and believe you can change yours and still stick to the path of light; including me, we will recognize your fault but regardless remove those pitchforks and help you up again and watch you keep on being a good person. Not once i ever thought hatred against you, noone should, its gives such sorrow and unhealthy thoughts to your mind that maybe you need a few pennies for that warm coffe to calm your mind. Hope for the best for you.
Thank you, Wilbur. Please keep doing what you do. Both this album and YCGMA have helped me more than I could ever express over the last four years or so. I’ll always keep coming back here. Thank you again. You’ve saved my life with what you do ever since 2019. You probably don’t read the comments on this, but I hope you’re doing ok :)
This whole album makes so much more sense now we have the context. I am so disapointed, always thought this was just a character or exadurated version/ manifestation of his deeper emotions, not what he really was like. I am heartbroken and angry.
Everyone has flaws, we found willburs. You don't have to hate him you just have to acknowledge that he's no idol and someone who just needs to work on self improvement. The world doesn't get better from hate, I personally still respect him greatly and am looking forward to his growth in the future.
@@bcw1nc865 I'm sorry, but they aren't "flaws", they are harmfull traits of abuse, of a CRIME. It's hard to distance myself from him after all this time, i suppose It's the same for you, but keep supporting and respecting him after all of this is not the right thing to do. And after his response (where he didn't acknowledge his behavior, and doesn't even say "I'm sorry" once), I just can't believe he want to change. It feels like he is not sorry for what he did, but because we found out. Shelby isn't the only one, and she made it very clear that he could and would do it again, and i don't know for you, but that doesn't sound like someone worthy of your or anyone's respect. Hope you're doing okay
It's silly how the album is so sad but it still manages to comfort me, the sound is just really beautiful. It came out just at the right time, when I couldn't really express all the emotions I had building up and it was like a burden, but every time I listened to the album it was like the music was expressing everything for me, it really did make life a little easier for me. and it still does, even though those emotions aren't there anymore, not as much at least. It still feels like home, its really beautiful
Hey man, I have been listening to you. YCGMA used to be my comfort album, which was then replaced with Mammalian Sighing Reflex. I absolutely adore how you portray your struggles. I love the music, and how you approach it. My favourite one is Glass Chalet, I love the sound of it. I love your music, thank you for making it. I'll always be waiting for another album drop. I hope you're doing well. I've been following Lovejoy as well, and I love what you do, though I prefer your songs better, haha. I love singing your songs too, your music got me into writing my own as well, though that's gone nowhere for now. From all those years back watching those YLYL streams, to now, you've sort of been tagging along in my life. I am very thankful for your presence, and it has also shaped me in a certain way. You are a large part of what makes me, me. You are, no-shit, the person my personality most matches to haha, I think it's a coping mechanism of sorts, along with the same thirst for creating and showcasing art, and the dire need of validation that stems from that. I am grateful to you, and hope you keep good care of yourself man. Until next time then, Will. Take care. -Tani P.S. This comment reads so much like a letter from Stan bahaha.
i made a reddit post about this but ill copy and paste it here guys i really think it's true and it's genuinely heartbreaking i bought this guys merch, i love his music to fucking death, every single one of them, you're city gave me asthma, are you alright, pebble brain, your new boyfriend, soft boy, internet ruined me, im in love with a e-girl, wake & its over, and mammalian sighing reflex, i cried to this mans music for months, i waited, excited for new music, a pinterest board with 173 pins, both, had aya wallpapers and ycgma, I have a comment that will made on the video of ycgma as a widget on my phone, i laughed at this dude and found comfort, he was such a big fucking inspiration to me, i started playing fucking guitar because i was so inspired by ycgma, the first song i ever learned was Jubilee Line, i know almost every Lovejoy song on guitar now and make my own stuff(trying at least) covering his stuff, i waited for his streams and then rewatch the vods, ive been getting so excited for the new fucking lovejoy single, this mans face is a fucking widget on my phone im genuinely crying over this because i genuinely love his work i find so much inspiration and comfort in it, i found comfort in him but genuinely its so heartbreaking if its true, like the fucking line "he had a ant infestation" "he said insects are normal in British homes" THATS SO SPECIFIC LIKE I CANT im just kinda ranting im so fucking heartbroken, im listen to mammalian sighing reflex for what might be the last time if its true. so fucking sad like i remember when will comment on my reddit post i was so fucking happy sorry if this is coming off as parasocial because honestly it is, im just so hurt because this dude is literally my fucking idol (was my idol) support shubble edit: it's confirmed not surprised but damn edit 2: (11/8/24) hey its been a while, i just found out a new lovejoy single released 2 days ago, it made me cry, this album ended up getting recommended under that video, im already on "glass Chalet" somehow, kinda feeling a lot somehow, i thought i was already over all of this but i guess not. i really could've used this guy's help in the past couple months, i went through a really fucking bad break up a couple months back, i really wish i had the comfort of this guy that i once had to help me with that, but i didnt, and i dont. why can't he fucking own up and apologize already? my fucking idol turned out to be an abuser. like months later thats still fucking crazy to wrap my head around that. even if he does apologize i couldn't let myself even get close to loving this dude the same. i have no idea how i got so attached to a guy i dont fucking know. he just got in and helped me out in such a horrible and vulnerable time in my life, i thought i was over it, but this album has me in so much fucking tears.
it really sucks to think i supported this guy because i loved his content so much, for so long, and it's a harsh reminder that you can never really know someone from what they present online. I hope only the best for Shelby for her future, and that she can heal. Seems daft to ignore the signs that connect the abuse to him unless she comes out and says something against him. I'm sorry for all the time you invested into someone who turns out to not be worth it. Don't worry about it being "parasocial", you lost time and money to someone believing in what they sold to you, and it turned out to be a lie. Your feelings are valid. My best to you, hope we can both move on from this
i totally understand man. wilbur was such a big comfort of mine and he was one of the ppl who inspired me to start writing songs. to find out he could do something like this is so disappointing. i know people aren't always what they act like online but i really thought wilbur was better than this...
I remember first hearing ycgma a few years ago and fell in love, its crazy how well someone can capture such an emotion. Take care of yourself with everything going on man
I wish I had discovered your music when depression was hitting me really hard near the end of 2022. I remember it was the worst when I was in France for two weeks during the end of December/ beginning of January. I’ve never felt more hopeless and miserable in my life. I would wake up every morning and yearn for the next time I was able to sleep again because it was the only time I was able to be at peace. Sometimes, when those feelings catch up to me I come here, close my eyes, and listen. Around the Pomegranate hits the hardest lol. Mostly because of the last few lines. Anyways, thank you for creating such beautiful pieces of art and helping the community. Happy New Year!
0:00 - Amazon Standing Lamp 3:16 - Mine/Yours 6:25 - Around the Pomegranate 9:05 - I don't think it will ever end 10:32 - Glass Chalet 14:08 - Melatonin 130 (bpm) 17:57 - Oh, Distant You 22:30 - Eulogy 25:13 - Dropshipped Cat Shirt 27:56 - The Median 29:00 - Trying Not to Think About It 33:00 - 10 Week Rule
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels betrayed. I hate him for getting me so attached to his online persona, to the point of almost wanting to forgive him, where I'm worrying about how he's doing. He is the main reason I decided I wanted to go on testosterone after years of debating, just because of the shear amount of gender envy he gave me. Why did you have to make me like you so much? I know so many are going through so much more, and while my pain is but a fraction, it still hurts... So much. Never have a person be your special interest, especially if that special interest was the one thing that kept you from suicide
I absolutely understand how you feel. I haven't stopped thinking about this for the past day and last night. It's heartbreaking, since he was one of the people who kept me going. Even if I know that it's not that big of a deal, and that I sound parasocial. It's horrible, since I realized I was aromantic through his songs... Hope you'll feel better soon
Please stay strong! Know that these feelings of betrayal are completely justified even if our connection to him is purely of fan to content creator. The fact that you’re conscious enough to recognise these emotions and understand morally what is correct is incredibly respectable. Sending much love and just know that these feelings will pass!
This year has been an emotional roller coaster. I'm neutral between Wilbur and Shelby and hope they're both getting the help they need, Wilbur's actions can not be justified but i do wish him well in helping himself :) I remember when this album came out, i was at my Nan's house eating pasta while scrolling through my phone and then i saw it on my youtube feed and had to try not to scream of joy, i told my brothers about it as soon as i could and they obviously didn't care but i cared. This album hits different in winter, like when it was my birthday i had such a good time that day and listened to this album on the way back home from dinner and felt peaceful. Thanks for this album Wilbur, i hope you and Shelby are both getting the help you need, i'm missing the feeling of joy from when i watched your streams.
I miss you so much, it’s been three years since I found you, I listen to every single song, ep you released, memorized every word until it was etched into my soul.
All I can say is that I hope you are still alive and that things get better. In general. You said it always get better, so I hope you still believe that.. I honestly can't help but relate this situation to something I went through. I won't go too much into detail, but I understand. I can understand so much more now. I really hope you know that you are loved, that you can love yourself. It's hard. It's hard being surrounded with negativity constantly. But it's okay to be positive. It's okay to have hope. It's okay to admit to mistakes. It's okay to go through change. Personally, I am neutral on this current situation because it's words against words right now. I don't know anybody involved in this situation personally, so I can't pick a side. But like I said earlier, I relate my past situation to yours and I can't help but feel compassion. I don't believe it is all black and white, not until proven so and that is not the case right now. I hope you are getting proper rest. I know you need it. Thank you for all you have done. I hope you continue to do good things in the future. I still have those expectations of you. Please maintain them. Or better yet, try to exceed them. ;P Love, Ella :)
Hey, wil. Just like coming here and listening to this album once in a while. I hope you’re doing well and that you and the band are fine too, and I hope you have a great time in Australia. We miss you
Wilbur I just wanted to say that I still love your music and listen to it. Your music saved me from killing myself I always felt so happy whenever you realised a new song. I’ve always wanted to meet you in person and tell you so much about how I’ve gotten my own music taste from Lovejoy. But after seeing what has happened with you and Shelby I actually started crying my 2024 was not going so great but don’t worry it’s better now. All I want to say is that you saved me.. now we hope to save you :)
A secret has been found in Melatonin 130 that could possibly reinterprets the song's meaning. After claiming "But I know you" (which in this video is at around 16:09), Wilbur inserts a soundbite that ever since the album came out we thought was nothing of importance, maybe a moan, or something of the sorts (I myself didn't even notice it properly until today) but upon inspection you can clearly hear it's a reversed audio segment, and reversing it lets you hear him saying his name clearly, "William Gold", which fits and completes the rhyming scheme established in the following line, "(...) until our bones grow old". Thus, he's actually saying "I know you (William Gold)", implying that whole quadrant, and possibly the whole song (?), is about himself and how he feels about the person he is, which we can theorize on but at this point we know he wasn't the greatest partner, with the abuse actually having happened or not he was a bit of a slouch about his relationship, and in general, and he seems to resent. We don't know what other secrets are hidden in these so it's about us uncovering them, if there's anything else to uncover that is. Hope everyone here is doing alright, don't forget that whether he did it or not, it's still interesting to dive into this person's creative mind, so at least enjoy the process if you're agaisnt the person, or don't, it's up to you, but let's not make this place more toxic than it already is 🍀
Listening to this actually felt so different from the Spotify version. There might not be that much of a difference and this might be my brain playing games on me, but I feel like I can appreciate this album a lot more again. Seriously love this album, it’s so beautiful and just comforting. Hope you’re doing well king, we’re all proud of you! :)
happy birthday to an album that saved my life; the day this came out was coincidentally the day i nearly left this world, until i listened to it, and i’m still here a year later. i know some people still avoid Will, but thank fuck you made this ❤ keep making stuff you love, thank you
It's sad to see how people still paint him like he's the most evil person on Earth even though Wilbur said he's going through therapy, and he's been talking about it way before, so I really doubt it's untrue. I think that's a good indicator of that he realizes his wrongdoings and actually seeks to be a better person, so maybe he's not as bad. Sure, the damage is done, people are still hurt and nothing is going to change that, the only thing that can be done is try and prevent the same thing from happening in the future, and that's what's therapy's for in this case. Sure, he should be held accountable, but he absolutely doesn't deserve all the hate and everything else that's been put out. He doesn't deserves to get worse. I think he does have redeemable qualities, he wants to improve and that's what matters. It should be appreciated, and how the situation was handled by everyone, from community to other content creators, is just ridiculous and outrageous. I just hope Wilbur knows that there are still people who believe in him, who cherished his art and still do, and who are willing to welcome him back when he's better
YCGMA was an album/ep that got me through the darkest parts of my life; it's pretty much guaranteed that Will is an abuser. I've been watching since the late Soothouse/JackSAL editor series era. I really hope that one percent chance of this all being misconstrued is the truth, but it isn’t. This guy has been an idol and an inspiration to me. It sucks.
I decided to listen to this again and i felt a wave of strong memories, as this was the album i listened to as i was cleaning out my grandpas house before he passed away.
Wilbur, I hope you find therapy and better yourself before you do something drastic and irreversible. But no amount of therapy will fix what you’ve done to shubble and countless others. You messed up. You have messed up for the past five years. You may have been hurting and you had every right to hurt, but you did not have a right to hurt others. We do not need an apology. Shubble does. And until your honest words form an apology, you do not have a right to those words. Prove that you can be better. And prove that you can change. You’re life is not over. You can still change for the better. Don’t ever give up. Get the therapy you need and you and everyone around you will be happier. Suicide will only make people hurt more, and you’ve already hurt people enough.
I completely agree, I think some people have gone too far. Will has done some awful things but I worry every day about him, I've lost enough UA-camrs due to death, one was a suicide and I'm scared we are going to loose Will as well. But with time he can change maybe make a less rushed apology and overall better himself.
Good statement but only if he was guilty. However the ppl in the situation are neutral. No ones guilty yet and it isnt final. Plus he hasnt made a full response yet but he said he would at the end of the tweet
I absolutely despise the people sending Will death threats. I hope he takes the time to heal himself and his behaviour and give a real apology to those he's hurt.
@@hammywoods None of this shouldve been brought up to the internet. If anything it shouldve been brought up to the police. Shubble shouldve known that internet would know its Wilbur since they r crazy. Ppl on the internet without professional law experience have no say whos guilty in the situation and it brings unnecssary amount of guilt and ruins their career.
Sharing my thoughts here, kinda rambling, I just need to get this out somewhere and this looks like the most safe place to do so. I do wanna say that I, in no way, support abuse. It's just that this mans content and music really helps me getting through rough times and that since years. I know that that isn't a excuse for anything really but I'm really bad with change and actually had to avoid social media for a week because I was feeling so horrible for not being able to distance myself from his content in the way people wanted it. People saying to just move on and find a different artist are not wrong and all but trust me, I've tried. And everytime it just feels like something is missing. I'm still waiting for Wilbur to hopefully say more about all this but if he doesn't that's also okay (with me. I'm not asking for other oppinions here.). I know I'll still be here no matter what. But I think what we all want and deeply hope is that you, Wilbur, come back with a sincere apology. Not to us but to Shubble. Personally I belive that as long as you're trying your best and try to be better after doing something wrong you will get better. It may take time but it will. I think it's hella unfair to say that a person can't change because that's just not true. I, from personal experience, can say that people can change for the better even if it isn't that easy and sometimes takes a long time. The fact that he said that he already goes to therapy only shows to me that he truly wants to be a better person. After re-reading what he posted on twt I also noticed him saying "I have taken my time sharing this statement [...]". STATEMENT. It isn't an apology and it was never meant to be one. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding things but it feels like no one really payed attention to that. People saying that he admitted it actually start to piss me off because he didn't admit to anything if my english isn't letting me down. The only thing he admitted to was consensual biting and that he became slobbish, disrespectful and selfish to the end. ≠ admitting to abuse. Also remind me in what context she said that depression is an excuse if I'm talking shit here but ??? I have seen multiple friends of mine change almost completely because of deperssion but they did it subconsciously in a way of non-verbally asking for help. Their entire lifestyle was changed during that, the way they behaved. It's not something that you do on purpose and is most definitly not an excuse. In the times that I've seen those things (even with myself) you're either not aware of doing something wrong, or you simply don't have the needed energy or knowledge to do better. It's not something you can control that easily. Idk that's all for now and again, I just needed to get my thoughts out somewhere. I hope things get better for all of us, content creator or not. For now though I hope that you're doing okay. Take your time. We'll be waiting. There are still people that support you and the thing we care about most is that you're okay. We're very much aware of all the stuff comming your way from different partys inside the different communities and please, take care. You might have messed up big time but we, as your community, still care for your well-being. (I know for a fact that I've completely butchered some parts of this please forgive me english is not my first language...)
To anyone reading this now: I have found where I stand in all this now and I choose to stay with Wilbur. This is unrelated to the fact that I can't let his and Lovejoys music go btw. I have plenty of reason for my decision (one of them being Shubble handing this situation pretty weirdly). I don't care how you see all this or who you believe but I can honestly just repeat my words. I've spent these past few days mostly on educating myself through multiple sources, talked to friends about this ,who are also pretty caught up with the stuff that's been going on, and am now pretty confident in my decision. (I get that this sounds para social okay T-T I just really needed that for myself I promise I'm not some weird stan) Anyway... I have changed my mind about an apology to Shubble for now, at least for what he's being accused of. If I'm actually understanding the lyrics of these songs now, which I was trying to do since he said that we get them horribly wrong, I can see that Shubble is not so innocent and that she has contributed to the outcome as well. Even if it isn't written in the songs it's still pretty obvious that she's not telling us everything we should know before pointing finger's, accusing someone of being a bad person. This is getting long again so I'll stop now... Remember to take care of yourself fellow person reading this :)
when this was released, I cried because it brought me so much joy, just from knowing my favorite creator and artist was still out there. now i cry because i know how much of a terrible person you secretly where, and that I used to look up to you, talk about you to my friends, and so many other things. I hope you get help. I hope you be a better person, and own up to what you did to Shelby. But I, and so many others, will never support you again. You kept a lot of your fans alive with your music, and now all we can hear in your voice is an abuser.
you and your music literally saved my life. i listened to it before i attempted. after, during, it all. it helped me through it and although im still very stuck in it, it helped me feel emotions i didnt know i could, and cry when i didnt think i could either. wow. im still in denial. i just need a statement from someone. the truth. never thought this could happen. i really had respect for you.
EVERYTIME i come across this video i end it on tears. This Album is huge and honestly those silly sad boy songs aren't just silly, they're very meaningful to some people, probably way more than they are to me,so if I'm sobbing as I'm writting this,imagine the others?. You have talent,even if it is making your fans cry. I appreciate your work and I've always have. I'm waiting on new songs...❤
hey, will idk if you'll ever see that message, but i hope that you do eventually. it may be not appropriate for me to say such things, it may be perceived as parasocial but given the situation you're in right now, i still want to speak up to help you with an advice if i can. i do not come with ill intentions or aggression. i will be bold but not hateful. i was in shelby's place. i was emotionally abused by a man with mental health issues, who didn't know better. it was a result of his poor, flawed characteristics of his personality that emerged from multiple traumas he went through. i was not the first who he'd hurt. my abuser was an abuser not because he was a psychopath or narcissist, he was an abuser because of his own traumas. it may be inacceptable for some, it does not excuse his actions as some may say, and it's perfectly understandable. if a man hurts you, you'd most likely run away not caring about why is he like that, you have to think about yourself not about his feelings. it's perfectly, absolutely normal. that's what shelby did. i did not. it may be a personality trait that once will come back to hit me like a train and i will regret that i am like this, but it did not yet. i am capable of understanding anyone's reasons and troubles. i'm capable of forgiving anyone if i know that they had their reasons to be like that. and that's why i understand you and my abuser, and cannot be rationally mad at you and my abuser. that's what i am like. and i am also not a good person, i am also a mentally ill person, i have wronged multiple people and i was dangerous and hurtful once. the thing i wanted to say to you is, well. you fucked up. you seriously fucked up, and it's about time to accept that. you ignored her safe word multiple times, you hurt her multiple times, you ignored her pleads to stop and traumatised her. YOU DID. no need to try and redeem yourself by claiming shit that is not sincere. however, it is not the end and it should not be the end even if some people say otherwise. if you want to keep your career and reputation, you have to go all-in. you have to be honest, to be genuine with your community, to reveal all the little details even if it means giving up on some of your privacy and personal stuff. you literally HAVE TO, because that is not a type of situation you can come out clean of. you'll need to do what dream did if not more, because he was proving the allegations wrong and you'll need to prove that you've changed. and, to be clear, to this day you've probably not. and it will take a long time, maybe months, maybe years. when you're forced to live without the support from your friends, without the support from your community, after losing everything you had. well, that's what you get for seriously fucking up. the thing is, you'll genuinely need to change. whatever you'll do will be on your conscience, you may theoretically just lie to everyone and it may work, but it probably won't. you need to get a few years off to work on yourself. if you want to have meaningful and healthy relationships, you'll HAVE to change, and only then it will be acceptable to return into the social media and content/music creating circles. go to therapy, think about what you've done, accept that you're wrong, take the responsibility. apologize to all the people who you've wronged in person, without revealing it to social media. tell your closest friends that you know you fucked up, but you're willing to change for them. and, let me say it clear.... do it for THEM, not for yourself. and after that YOU will get better, but the people should come first, and you should come next. not never, just next. everyone deserves redemption, but you will have to work hard for it. i wish you good luck.
hi im obviously not wilbur but um i just want to say you really brave for confessing your flaws and that you were abused and i really do hope you doing okay/alright have a good day, afternoon, or night whatever you are ❤
Hey Wilbur, i know i commented once before but i feel more content with speaking on this. You are my comfort guy, listening to your solo ablums always brought me the littlest peace i had for four years. The past four years were hell for me, and a lot had happened in them. Getting more comfortable in my own skin, realizing that im aroace and figuring out that im a system. The one thing that stayed the same though, was that fact i had music to fall back onto and your music was there. I listened to YCGMA so many times that i had most of the songs memorized by heart in 2022. And then the whole situation that has happened gave me a gut punch. I took Shubble's side at the beginning as i try to support victims if i can but now.... now, i dont know what to truly think. I support you more as everything has been thrown at you at high speeds which isnt good. Everything is so sh1tty currently and i truly hope that you are doing at least a bit better. Please, take care of yourself and go eat and talk with your family members or your friends. People truly care about you, even though it may seem that it doesnt look like that. People still want you around and want to know youre doing alright. Its gonna be okay, Wilbur. From, Alex (a small fan since 2020 or so)
i love how raw the songs. i love you, you're not a good person- like me. your solo albums has always reflected this. thank you for these albums, theyve helped more than you can ever imagine. please release more. never stop will.
(2/11/24) There's something so special about Wilbur's music that helps me so much whether or not that's YCGMA, MIWB, his old covers of other songs, or Lovejoy. Though it sounds weird, I'm really happy that he's still making music like this. Yeah, it's good to have nice, upbeat songs like One Day or Perfume to feel energized, but having songs to be able to connect to and take a step back to listen to is so refreshing. I remember having really shitty summer depression in 2021 and all that I did that summer was stay inside and have a fucked sleep schedule. I'd wake up at 7 AM and stay awake all throughout the day till 6 AM to sleep. Then I'd wake up at 7 AM again and the cycle repeated that entire summer. Bed was my prison for 3 months. And you wanna know what kept me going through those painful 3 months? Late, depressive nights talking to my friend over text while having Alexa play the entirety of YCGMA on repeat everyday. Ever since that summer, I've realized how bad it really can get for some people. I thought I knew bad before that, but that summer? It changed everything for me. Listening to Jubilee Line, I'm Sorry Boris, and La Jolla and so many other songs on the album made me feel the most empty yet relaxed I think I've ever been. Like I was stuck in a void between space and time. Like time wasn't really passing but I was still in the present. When I broke out of it and started getting up, I was never in a good mood but slowly the more I got out of the house, I actually began being myself again. I think that that summer was genuinely one of the worst of my life. Maybe that entire year, too. but if there was one thing that came from that year that I remember was the best, it was those late, shitty fucking nights just sitting in bed, wide awake, staring at the ceiling, listening to YCGMA on repeat. Night after night, day after day,. It was my purpose for continuing on for some reason and I still have no idea why but god am I thankful it helped me keep going. My point is, music is something that I think is such a important part of so many people's lives, including my own. It doesn't matter what you may or may not listen to. It matters how you see it and how you connect with it. For me, this new MSR album has gave me the most comfort any other songs have for a while. Without a bunch of messy rambles, I have severe case of what i believe might be contamination OCD. It's spiked so high ever since COVID hit and I have struggled for the past 3-4 years now with leaving my house. Enjoying meals is horrific too as I haven't gotten my taste back since 2021 when I had COVID. For whatever reason, this album perfectly shows my frustration and emotions about this stupid issue I've had and I can't help but tear up a little whenever "Around the Pomegranate" starts playing. I think it's mainly because of the lyrics "I just want to feel normal again. I just want to have meals with my friends. I just can't go through this again." It connects with me on the level of just being stuck in my house, dreading going outside my room because everything I touch feels so icky and gross and I hate it so, so, so much. My (possible, not diagnosed) contamination OCD has fucked me over so badly that I hate even the idea of going outside of being around objects that's been outside. It's awful. But somehow, this silly little album has helped me through it so much more than I ever thought it would've. So, once again, thank you Wilbur for saving my life and making me feel comfortable. I can't thank you enough for how much your music has helped me over the years and how much comfort it's brought me.
@@jasmineedwards5954 mistakes, we all commit them. small and big, sometimes going too far. only if there's a solution to end all problems once and forever. sure i hate the things he has done, but i still want a solution to fix it all. only hope all his victims, including himself, will get a help that all of them need.
There are people who still love you no matter what... we just hope that the truth comes out one day and we can step over this. Keep improving on yourself and please don't listen to these horrible people out there. We're here. We hear you. We support you. We love you.
The thing that struck me the most was for the first time… I found a song beautiful. Gotta give props to Wilbur on “Oh, Distant You” First heard it (with full attention) while on a drive to a city. The fact that it was night time suited its vibe a lot.
Hay Wilbur! Im sorry for everything that has been happening, despite how I dont support what you did, I still love your music, It always helps me when im in a bad mood, and i do believe you can change! it just takes time, I hope you're having a good day or if you see this and you're not i hope this brightens your day, I will still forever be a fan of yours -From a fan of yours: Tommy :)
hey will! i don’t know what the odds are of you seeing this, but today as of january 1st i came back to check how much you’re donating and i just want to tell you that you’re doing an amazing thing (even though im sure you already know). keep taking care of yourself and kick ass this year!
I though you were one of the best lyricist, song writer, writer, producer and musician. You inspired me to play the guitar with music you made, I supported your band and even became my favorite band. I had a dream of going to one of your concerts and even dreamed of making music like you. I slept listening to your music because It gave me comfort. Now every time I listen to the music that used to give me comfort I just keep thinking about all the horrible things you did to her. How could you? Some part of me wanted to believe that you’re not the person she described but after your statement I can't be more disappointed and I can't help but hate you so much for hurting such an incredible and nice person, she didn’t deserve all the things you made her go through, I’m so proud of her for speaking out about what happened to her and I think that makes her so strong. I’m very disappointed in you and also disappointed at myself for admiring your work. I don’t know what happened to you in the past that made you this way but I wish in another life you would’ve been different and a better person.
I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. Wilbur has helped me so much but I don’t agree with what he did nor do I want to support him but I just ended up here
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Hello, gangsters and gangsterettes, I am uploading this because most music platforms, due to my own lack of music production knowledge, have a bastardised, quiet and distorted version of this album. As much as it would be apt of me to just ignore it and move on, I would love that MSR fans have the raw files somewhere, youtube felt like the best place (I am very conscious that youtube will still compress the fuck out of this but shhhh, let me live in blissful ignorance)
I've been gone for a lil while, I know, but I thought I would let you know I am doing well and will eventually return!
You tend to always hear of artists and performers stepping away from the “world at large” and even today some of my favourite artists and bands have an almost viscerally restricted private life. I sympathise with them but was always very thankful that, thanks to my online background, that would not be the case for me and I could easily step on and off the stage in a state of zen like so many other performers I admire.
Unfortunately, upon finishing my second run of shows in 2023, I realised that was not the case and that the effects of performing would be something I must learn how to reckon with each time. I am an introvert pretending to be an extrovert, which is something that is a lot easier when your stage is a computer screen. Less so when it's a room of over 10k people. This ended up doing quite a big number on my mental health.
It's a weird one, because I am so aware of the privilege and honour to get to travel the world singing silly songs for crowds as magnificent and dedicated as Lovejoy fans, and yet also aware of how little I know myself and how little I know about actually DOING the whole stage thing without my brain evaporating.
Thanks to advice (from lots of people far smarter than me) I have decided to take a little break. I will come back with a big ol bunch of streams in the future I’m sure but, until then, I have rented a lil place in new york solo and have been wearing knit-caps, shopping at Whole Foods and saying things are sooooo last season while taking photos of coffee cups. Many of you know I’ve always wanted to live in America for a brief stint and I am so excited to be living my dream. I have many friends lined up to come visit me and I’m sure they’ll roll their eyes as I recount the anachronistic history of every US monument we see.
I'm so lucky to be able to take leave like this and, I also should do it without the whole sob story, but I really want to thank you guys for sticking around with me and being earnestly fascinated (I hope) by my art and what I do. I cannot thank you enough, but I can certainly try!
THANK YOU (even if you get my lyrics painfully wrong😚)
Until then, there are so many things coming very soon I am excited to show you. I am currently knee deep in writing the Lovejoy debut album and I am thrilled to work on a big, cohesive story in music form (something I haven’t been able to do with EPs) with some of my best, most talented friends. There's a single on the near horizon and a bunch of different #content for you to eat like little internet silkworms!
At the end of this year I will be donating every penny this video earns x10 to a selection of mental health charities. I will update this comment with how much it was and which charities by 2025.
UPDATE 31/12/24: Proceeds of 15k will be split evenly between CALM (Campaign Against Living Miserably) and Mind at the start of January
www.thecalmzone.net/what-we-do
www.mind.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/
I hope you're all doing well, and if you're not, I know it gets better. You just gotta trust me. Stay comfy, don't let the bed-bugs bite and remember that mauve is soooo mid-century.
Love, Will :)
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we love u sm wilbur :(
Thank you so much I’ll now listen to this version of the album
live your dreams man🫶
thank you will :) we love you sm !!
im so proud of you for doing this man! we all love you sm
Love this new era of Wilbur’s solo music, the beeps and radio filters are crazy good and create a mellow tone
I absolutely adore it with the bottom of my heart
Just saying, this isn't a new era, if you haven't i recomend listening to the other sad soft wilbur music "Your city gave me asthma" (an album) and "Maybe I was boring" (I believe that's the name of the second album i'm thinking of, if not it's the name of one of the songs anyways and it'll be easy to find the album searching it.
Whoever read all of this have a good day, you are loved
Adding to the comment about his other music, he also has a trilogy of joke songs in his gaming channel and some other older joke music in this channel I believe
Definitely I still like you city have me asthma though
@@vlinderXXI I’ve been listening to his music since the nice guy anthem, I know he has other music that sounds like this album. Admittedly a “new era” is a stretch but the post editing and mastering effects and sounds seem like a new thing.
15K is such an incredible sum of money that is going to help so many people. thank you.
now i can cry again
lets cry together
@@unwritten.pebbleyea :(
@@unwritten.pebblecan i join you guys?
guys wait me too
gotta have my 4 pm cry
@@unwritten.pebble we should cry and hold hands
These comments are actually so well thought. Unlike on the other platforms or social medias, where they don’t think and effortlessly send hate nor death threats. I hope both Wilbur and Shelby gets the needed support and help without receiving such horrible feedbacks and comments. The world is cruel already, there’s no need to make it more cruel :).
my thoughts exactly! I hate the pain that he has caused shelby and my whole heart goes out to her situation. No one deserves to be abused like that and I can see that she is such a strong and beautiful person. As for wilbur, I hope he has reached out to her privately to apologize, and I hope he is also seeking serious treatment if he hasn't already. I hope both creators can heal and grow from this :)
such raw talent, such a great character, but such an unfortunate trait. imagine how successful he might've been had things gone different
Finally someone with common sense! I agree, I hope they both can heal from this..
you need a crown
Your City Gave Me Asthma and Mammalian Sighing Reflex are so comforting. i remember listening to the former 24/7 during covid when everything in my life was so bleak. MSR feels like a hug from an old friend i haven't seen in a while.
edit: well fuck me :/
yeah it’s kinda wild how hard this album hit when i first heard it; i couldn’t listen to the whole thing because it felt too nostalgic/bitter lmao (i can’t find the right word).
@@helighast bittersweet!
you just described it perfectly
I mean the first lyric from the album is literally "Hi, it's been a while."
thank you for releasing this on youtube too king, we're all so proud of you, this is such a beautiful album 🫶
YCGMA was an album that saved my life and helped to guide me through a horribly dark time. Its creator was similar, bringing comfort and genuine hope to me in the advice he would give and preach. MSR was similar, too. It felt like a victory after a storm and although it wasn't my own, it felt so deeply personal.
I'm a strong believer that genuine art cannot be faked. I find it hard to believe any of this is fake- but I'm also finding it very hard to comprehend the devastation so many people have now been put through. The news of it made me cry myself sick; something I've never done before. I hope I never do it again, because this is not a feeling anyone should have to deal with- and that only makes me wonder how disgustingly horrid a direct victim of these actions would have felt. As a lifelong atheist, my immediate reaction was genuinely to pray for them.
I feel so ashamed of myself and so much guilt, now knowing what I loved and supported for so many years. So beyond disappointed. I don't think there's a word other than distraught that I can even begin to use- and I don't know if it'll matter. I don't know if you'll care. If this album was something real, then I believe you could maybe care a little bit, but I don't know how caring about it now will fix the problem. However, if you do care, then you must still have some shred of the person that we were taught to believe existed- and in that case, as furious as this all makes me, I hope you find some help and that this never happens again. It shouldn't have happened even once. I want to believe you at least know that now.
Closure is such a privilege in these situations and I hope the person and people who need it most may find it. To anyone else, please take care of yourself. You're not wrong for being fooled. It's not your fault and I know you will be okay. Otherwise, take people's serious claims at face value and take time to process your emotions. Failing to do so can result in a lot of damage that cannot be undone.
Much love to those who need it, and even if you don't think it's deserved. Especially those who think they're undeserving. I'm sorry to everyone who lost something integral to themselves because of this. Music is personal as anything and I hope you find something to fill that space.
well said, thank you so much
goddamn. yeah I’m still trying to process how to feel about all of this. I believe shelby completely, but I just don’t know how to take this sort of news. I’ve been supporting wil since smplive, 4-5 years ago and I guess I got trapped in something parasocial, because I felt heard by his music, trying to drop his music feels so wrong to me. I’ve been recommending friends his music, family, and now what can I saw to them about this? I hope both wilbur and all the people he’s hurt get the help they need.
I Still dont understand why people dont understand this. None of it has been confirmed by Shelby. There isn't even enough proof it is specifically him and nobody else in the world who matches her description. He's a very sweet man, and this hasnt been confirmed to be him yet, so dont assume@axowelp
@@Firdaus-Mwell said,
@@Firdaus-M I don't want to be combative or start any argument here, but I would like to suggest that you look more into what victims have been saying. As said by them- there are a lot of reasons why an abuse victim may not want to name their abuser, or may not even be able to. Between legal reasons and their own safety- from the abuser going after them to anyone who wants to defend him as well- or even being accused of defamation just for speaking out.
I totally understand where you're coming from and I felt similarly for a while. After taking some time however, I realized that not only does it seem that all the details point to a specific person, but I can't feasibly think of anyone else who fits the descriptions.
There is always a possibility of being wrong in any situation like this, but I would highly suggest you take these things into account, for your own peace of mind and for the sake of others. If the wrong person was being so heavily accused, I truly do believe a victim would clear that up, instead of clarifying that victims sometimes don't have full control of their own voices. I can't imagine any victim would want someone innocent to be wrongly accused while their true abuser moves on without awareness.
I really hate what im feeling right now. YCGMA, saline solution and jubilee line honestly saved me and everything after just gave me more life, it got me into guitar and music. Saline solution was 1 of the first songs i played on the guitar But knowing now that there may have been diffrent meanings to your songs some horrible conotations. And knowing what i know now. It kills me man. It hurts so bad i hate it. I have no idea what to do with it. No idea on anything anymore.
nah dude, ur assuming so much he did a shitty thing... but youre digging into the person now... and sometimes it just aint that deep... he hurt people yes, he hurt us the fans too, he probably lost a lot, he deserved to, but his songs are still about something completely different, this album probably has some stuff that actually relate to the situation but if his music spoke to you and you interpreted it in a way, you shouldnt lose what it meant to you cuz the guy who made it did one bad thing.
I read through lyrics...
Isn't it also reminiscence about last relationship? There's enough of abuse talking (a lot of line that paints narrator as a victim or a partner of a narrator as a victim), a lot of self-hatred ("Mammalian..." has at least three tracks with self-hatred tone), thinking about partner (and there's no indication that it is not an ex).
Keep in mind their is not evidence to these accusations other than the response
I felt the same way at first, but I believe Wilbur has grown and changed as a person and there is still good in him.
tbh their relationship was a while ago and its a mistake, yes, but i really don't think we should let it define him.. i doubt his whole life revolves around that so he's probably not singing about that most of the time, haha.
i cant help but come back to this album and maybe i was boring and ycgma despite everything that happened, i looked up to you for probably 4 or 5 years of my life ever since the arg. i will be back here again someday i know so. my favorite song is trying not to think about it. i've played it at live shows of my own even if people see me as a different person for slightly interacting with you, lovejoy and dsmp, revivebur, everything you've done has influenced me so much as a person and who i am now i cant help but miss how i felt about a year ago when i met you for the first time in nashville. you didnt even come and talk to anyone until like 4 or 5 in the morning i was tired as hell but it didnt matter because i got to talk to you even if it was simply a "hi wilbur can you sign this also thank you for everything" i know this will get lost in comments to the internet and will probably never see the light of day and it probably will never matter. but throughout my life. there will always be a corner that is yours. and for every song i write there will be signs of you in it. will I hate what you may have done but i have one last parting gift.
"I cant say that I wasted my time because I'm built by you" - Wilbur soot, for memories
all I can say, is thank you. thank you will for all that you did while it wasnt all hated
I really miss him, I wish I got to meet him before this❤
man ❤
The amount of absolutely shattered people in this comment section is just heart breaking.
Yeah…
Honestly their fault for falling for the "soft boy, who respects women and cares about all the other important world issues" trap. He poked fun at this blind admiration of an internet celeb in almost all of the music he released.
@@ilya1488krutoj you're not completely wrong. But the thing is that his music and persona got a lot of people out of some pretty dark times. And the way the human minds are programmed, the people immediately just fell in love with this "relatable" character
@user-jd6do2ls2j creating idols is just a thing humans do I'm afraid
@@ilya1488krutoj it's not their fault for going through awful things nobody should have to go through and finding wilbur's music, enjoying it, and using it as the comfort for them they never had. let people cope.
i just want to say, wilbur, i don't like what you did, but i truly hope you become a better person. you helped me through my darkest moments, and i always come back to your music when im at my lowest. ik you are able to change, and i believe in you. i hope both you and shelby are doing well.
People like you are what we need more of rather than people just sending hate and stuff
Same
Shelby was faking it because she did about another one of her exes before wilbur then deleted all evidence
@A5h3rtheth3ri4n i've heard a lot of different views on this situation, and both Shelby and wilbur have been blamed. I'm not too sure who to believe, but if Shelby did lie, that is messed up bc she just DESTROYED wilburs' reputation, which is just messed up in so many different ways. im trying to stay as neutral as possible. I just hope both are doing ok, and if wilbur did abuse Shelby, I hope he is getting the help he needs, and i hope Shelby is OK too. I just know messed up things have happened from both wilbur and Shelby's side, and it's just sad :(
@A5h3rtheth3ri4n honestly though, that is decent evidence to prove that she is lying and i have heard it before, but we could never be too sure that she's lying and it's not the best to immediately assume she's lying. If she is, im going to cry of happiness because i still love wilburs music, and i feel guilty even listening to it, but it's helped so much through these last couple of years. his music saved me, and i pray shelby was lying.
“I hope you’re doing well and if you’re not, I know it gets better. You just gotta trust me.” AND NOW I’M SOBBING.
You have any updates for present day? 😭
AND I STILL FUCKING GET EMOTIONAL AT THAT LIKE MY GOD
My method of coping has started out as wild bursts of intense emotions, depressive states that left my head heavy, anxiety so bad my chest burned, anger so hot my body shook. While for some here that may seem like way too much of a reaction, for me it was expected. The man was someone who made me laugh out loud instead of just a squeeze of my eyes and an exhale. He made me feel human as someone who struggles showing emotions outwardly. I don’t think there’s any possible way I can describe how important that is for someone like me, it’s just how it’s always been. I'd go from "it's over" to "how Dare he?" to "but did he?" to "He did it. It hurts. And that's okay." to "it's not okay, he's a monster" to "but maybe he's getting better now".
Then the statement was released and without thinking harder on it, trying to form an actual opinion outside of what I was seeing other people say, I raged. I ranted to myself how I wanted horrible things to happen to him, which was out of character for me and what I normally stand for. But then I stopped looking at the sites and thought of MY opinion. How I felt. Looked over the wording myself. Processed things at my own pace rather than the pace I was forcing upon myself. Talked with friends who aren't part of the community but could empathize with what I was feeling. And I made my conclusion.
The statement was released way too early for anyone to take it any other way, most likely pushed by PR. Was that a shitty decision? Yes. And while I will support the possibility of growth and getting better in the future, and will probably not cut all content with him out because of that, I cannot and will NEVER support his actions. What he did is abhorrent and will never be what I support. I can choose to neither forgive, or forget, but I can move forward. What he did and how his initial statement sounded was shitty. But change can take months, even years. Learning to truly recognize behavior as bad can take time on it's own. Even if things keep coming out that make my stance hard to keep, I'm nothing if not needlessly stubborn and in the end, this is more about me sticking to what my beliefs are no matter how difficult it gets.
I am allowed to hope he gets help and eventually return improved just as much as others are allowed to leave the era of their lives he was a part of behind. I am allowed to support the possibility of healing for everyone without condoning his actions. I am allowed to hope that everyone, I mean EVERYONE, involved in the situation to come out okay. Maybe not good, but at least okay. And just because I'm remaining open to a second chance does not mean you have to. If you want to watch things from the good times to cope, then don't feel bad for needing to approach the situation differently. If you are not sure yet and want to pretend things are fine until it all calms down, then that is just as valid as cutting everything related to him off immediately. You want to burn your merch in some symbolic bonfire as you play 80's rock music, all the power to you. Humans are complicated and there is never a Correct emotional response to something like this. The only response that is never okay is hurting yourself or threatening hurt upon others.
My endless support to Shelby because she is literally so brave and I don't think I'll ever have anywhere close to the strength she has shown by coming forward. There are things that messed me up from over a decade ago that I still haven't opened up about and the people they involve are just everyday people. For her to have come forward, especially after he had been touring and exposed to millions of people is so powerful, she's like a superhero to me. Send her all your support and love. She fucking deserves it and more. She should not be blamed by ANYONE for what happened and is happening. Let her heal, let her keep being strong and amazing in everything she does, both in terms of healing and her content. Just because I'm focusing on my feelings about things does not mean that she doesn't mean so much more here.
And to you, Wilbur, if you even bother looking at the comments here, especially now, know this: Just because I'm supporting the possibility of growth and improvement does not mean I don't think the you right now is pathetic. You hurt so many people who you called friend just to feel more control of your own life. You may never get those people back, and need to understand that you'll probably never have what you had again. You were so afraid of trying to get better that you doubled down and made yourself and others worse off for it. Donate every single penny from this album to charities that help and support abuse survivors, take a few years away from the internet. If you have any close friends left after this in private, good. If you don't, find a public support group. And while I said second chance, I never will give you anything further. You knew it was abuse because you were scared of being accused of it. And again, my rage towards your actions is immense and your prior lack of self betterment to be pathetic. However, I'm still going to hold firm in my belief that improvement is always possible, and you needed this push, unfortunately.
My takeaway is always going to be to support the victims first. But focus on yourself as well. Just because you are not directly involved does not mean your hurt and shock is not as valid. Just because it's not 'big and life-altering' does not mean it's not sort of traumatic for some people. Have a good cry, drink some water. If you have a pet, give them so much love and kisses until your brain melts from the oxytocin. Go to a friend's house and watch movies with them while eating shitty junk food as you make fun of the cheesiest of special effects. Go outside. Not in a 'you need to touch grass' way, but in a 'sit on the steps of where you live and feel the sun on your face', or maybe 'look at the stars in the sky', or 'listen to the sound of rain from the porch'.
This hurts. But that's okay. It's okay. You're okay
no, no and no I dont care whats going on. I dont care how much he impacted you cause your not alone. But dont whatsover support this man
@bruh I can support the possibility of growth without supporting what he did or who he is now. It is entirely possible for me to think that without giving support in any way that would benefit him in any other way, especially not monetarily. I do not have to follow him or subscribe to him to do so. The only reason I came to this video was for the sole purpose of giving the wider community it not only my stance, but the knowledge that just because they aren't having what people are considering a normal way about going about this, does not make them invalid, and to give whatever small kind of comfort I can. I literally said that it goes against the nature of who I am to not acknowledge the possibility of improvement, even if it can seem unlikely. And that is why I am choosing to have this response. This is what I choose to believe I would do for a stranger if given the same information that I have. It is what I have always done and always will do.
I noticed that you are leaving comments similar to this in multiple people's comments. You are going out of your way to by all means shame people for their method of coping instead of ignoring and not engaging at all, which by all means would not only have been the more mature option but also the easier option. I will not shame you for what I know is something you are doing out of what I can only assume is anger at the situation and anger at people who blindly still give him full support in everything and choose ignorance over reflection. However, the method you are using for doing so is questionable at best, and just causing more damage at worst. The community is divided enough about this issue, we do not need more infighting on top of that. I hope you realize that.
I will not argue with anyone further about this. I do not care if you or anyone else replies to this, because I will not be feeding into this. :)
I hope you and anyone reading this still has a nice day/night regardless. Remember to eat/drink water/take your meds if you have them and haven't done so already.
This.. honestly gave me some clearance in my head as I listen to this album through a speaker, litteraly in a bathrobe. Just not knowing what to think of about everything anymore of this man.
But thank you for sharing. If it helped you then it helped me.
Take time, let time pass, let deep and shallow wounds heal.
It'll all heal eventually with forgiveness or forget
- kyrin
(If I miscomprehended your message, then I apologize. You already know his small portion of his fanbase is still just clueless on what to do now, I am a part of that portion and is just crying to comprehend everything like a child faced with their parent doing something wrong and does not know how to act)
Keep in mind their is not evidence to these accusations other than the response
thanks for saying this in ways I never could.
Cmon, will. You can change everything. Several years is what you need, you surely reconciled your misstakes enough at this point that you are not repeating them. I believe in you
just spent the past 35 minutes sitting outside and listening to this whole thing again with good headphones and holy shit. there’s so many little things you don’t totally get on spotify, so many layers and little details that just go to show how much care and love was put into this. time to go back to the real world.
A WILBUR MUSIC POST???
My exact thoughts
I'm lwkey shocked lmao
IN 2024444
THATS WHAT I SAID
I LIKE
JUMPED
AND SQUEALED LMAO
this album was released in late november of last year
You've been my idol since 2018. Since I was a kid. I'd fall asleep to YCGMA, crying because I related. Your music helped me so much. I did the same with this album, I cried when it came out. I fell asleep crying that night because this album meant so much to me. I played it all day at school for the next week. I taught myself all your songs. You were the reason I bought a guitar at 11. You've inspired me so, so much. You've not only hurt Shelby and your friends; you've hurt us. Your fans. The teens that really looked up to you. You failed us so hard. I know this isn't over; we all mess up. You just messed up worse. I believe that you can get better and redeem yourself, even if not everyone can forgive you-rightfully so. Please try to get better and really show that you're trying. You've been so important to me and it really hurts that you've turned out this way. Or that you've been this way. Please prove that you're not a completely bad person. Just a person who us flawed.
Your city gave me asthma was the only thing that comforted me in a really bad time. I was dealing with abuse which i thankfully got away from but that album was the only thing that made me feel understood. I could relate every line of jubilee line to my life at the time. I’m so disappointed that the person who unknowingly helped me through my abuse would abuse another. I’m proud that he went to therapy and he’s trying to get better but I can’t in good faith still actively support him in the same capacity that I used to. I suppose all this is to say that ycgma and msr are my two favorite albums and they will always have a special place in me, but i will no longer support a man that so clearly disregards the good of his loved ones for personal gain. As always support the victims and support shubble. His response between his apology and treatment of his mods have been horrible. Although Wilbur’s friends should still support him as well, it is clear that he was sick and I sincerely hoped he gets better. His friends need to make sure that he gets better. As for me I plan to cover all of his songs because they meant so much to me but I don’t necessarily want to listen to wilbur at the moment.
I flopped my very important tests in school because all these tings going in through my head. I sleep every night knowing that the hurt the community. I really hope u get well Wilbur. I wish to meet u one day. We will give u the time u need.
Same here Wilbur. Thank you for everything. Your songs help me feel alive in times where I feel so dead. Redeem yourself man, you deserve it.
I'm still gonna listen to this album, at least til the end of this year. If you are gonna keep your word about the charity. Its comforting to me, I hope you can get better.
i understand, its very sad. seperate the art from the artist. this music is very comforting for me too.
There’s really nothing quite like mourning someone who isn’t even dead. A good part of me is still in denial. What were you thinking?
Of all things you said in that apology of yours, I hope you were telling the truth about seeking help. That’s all I want from you now. I want you to get help. These poor people.. I pity even myself for putting so much faith and love into someone who doesn’t even know all of the faces of those he left feeling betrayed.
If I ever hear from you again, (and frankly, I hope you don’t decide to end all of this on such a despicable note) I really hope it’s something good. Please, for the love of god, if you’re going to surprise us again, be it for something good.
Everyone has flaws, we found willburs. You don't have to hate him you just have to acknowledge that he's no idol and someone who just needs to work on self improvement. The world doesn't get better from hate, I personally still respect him greatly and am looking forward to his growth in the future.
@@bcw1nc865 i agree completely that the world doesnt get better from hate, my comment wasnt meant to spread hate either, just expressing my sheer disappointment and displeasure for the recent news. I have been a fan of Wilbur since the Soothouse days, and I don’t know what Wilbur could possibly be thinking right now. I think the best thing he can do is take a step back from everything, stay out of the lives of those who dont want him in their lives, and really truly work on those strides of great improvement he claims he’s been making. If even a sliver of the person I saw behind that screen that I grew so fond of over the years was real, I really only hope he chooses not to stay miserable, I hope that he actually recognizes the damage he’s done and ends up doing the right thing.
@@crispber that's good
@@crispber yeah me and my friends have just been hoping he works on himself while he continues to write Lovejoys first album and comes back maybe this fall
Have i found my clone? Possibly, you spoke each word in my mind in this single comment.
Glad you are at least still donating the money. 15k is not a small amount, and will go to helping multiple people live better lives. Remember Will, if you need help, there are many ways and avenues. You might have done shitty things, but you don’t deserve the amount of hate (death threats and such), you got. Hope you had a good Christmas William Gold, and enjoy the coming year.
Glad you’re still alive.
this album is so incredible. i always thought nothing could beat ycgma but this is just so so good. the lyrics as well as songs themselves are just absolute masterpieces. this music is the type you want to just engrave in your soul. i can’t put into words how well wil did creating this, absolutely amazing
i’ve been through the ringer these past two months. mine/yours is the biggest punch in the gut and biggest comfort in the world to me. MSR is a masterpiece. it has helped me through more than you’ll ever know. thank you, Will.
Hey Wilbur.
Idk if u will ever see this, but if u do I just want u to know your music and your old streams/videos have rlly helped me a lot lately. I also saw lovejoy play in august and you guys were so amazing. I hope you’re doing well, and the cover you did by the fish’s grave was so cool lol
Thank you for everything you do. I can’t wait to see what you do in the future, but whatever amazing thing you create I’m sure it will be awesome
I forget wilburs stuff has always meant so much to me i got such a crazy fuzzy feeling seeing this album first come out cos it came out of nowhere and I can't lie I maniacally chuckled as I rolled around in my bed and fell asleep with it on loop
i really love this album and you randomly dropping it out of no-where completely worked for me. i was in a really dark place at that time and every one of these songs so relatable. this album really helped me and i’m glad you’re doing okay
i hate it here but oh how i miss it
i know mate
yeah, part of me hopes things will go back to normal
@Bee_Bee_da_bumble_bee erm... im not that kinda gal. shelby all the way but you do you bud!
@@fiatow8999 what are u on ab
@@livh0xx1 sorry responded to the wrong comment
man, whatever you did was bad, it was fucking bad, but that doesnt mean you cannot prevent it from happening again. Get the help that you need and we trust you to see you emerge as a new man. Stay strong and aware
this is the correct reaction to the whole shubble situation. ty kind internet person
@@mrcrouton43 no problem, I felt like this situation quickly escalated as it should have. However most responses felt like "hey will, you should go do bad things to yourself because you did this." I dont feel that way, as a kid who might've never gotten the attention to this problem it grew into a habit thats hard to get rid of; like nail bitting, smoking etc. I'm not saying its good but its still changeable.
whaaaat someone thinking reasonable on the internet
nah but a acutely tysm for being a voice of reason
life hasn’t been the best for me. i’ve been terribly anxious every day and it’s been eating away at my motivation. i get very overwhelmed, then frustrated, then anxious, and it’s just a really terrible cycle. i can probably attribute that to school. i feel so left behind and so lost compared to the rest of the people around me. whenever i feel anxious though, i blast this album in my ears and lie down. it’s been a huge stress reliever and helped to calm my nerves down. i’ve been working harder to take more care of myself, and listening to this album has been a leading step in that process, so thank you wilbur :)
and everyone else going through stuff right now, i hope you all find the peace that you deserve. you’re loved and worth so much more than you think :))
every week i come back here just to read a new wave of heartbroken and betrayed comments. it feels like one of those drug rehabilitation centres, where everyone sits together to share their stories and struggle.
its insane how much this one person has affected us all. i used to laugh at people obsessed with celebrities' lives, but i get it now. its crushing to see your idols fall.
I'll try not to come back here next week, but i dunno if i could resist. i guess its just my cope.
take care everyone, and try to get away from this.
Glad to know I’m not the only one doing this
The disappointment transcends description. Five years I've followed along on the journey. Heart crushing. There's always that unknown, the risk that comes with putting any trust in an internet figure without knowing their character, I can say for certain you've disappointed and betrayed our trust. Where I once turned to your music and humor to aid me in getting through my days I now feel stretched thin for the way your stuff helped me get through things I won't voice, but now feels contaminated.
Sorry to myself that I'm now saying goodbye to what * was * one of the best things that happened to me.
this is really pretty except for the last thing kinda dramatic but I still get you
i hope he has reached out to shelby privately to apologize. No one deserves to be abused like shelby was and wilbur needs to seek treatment if he isnt already. I hope both of them heal and grow from this experience. #shelbysupportsquad #wilbursupportsquad
he did say in his apology that he would offer Shubble the same therapy/help he was receiving
That's a huge amount of money - your generosity is heartwarming. 💙
Just wanted to say, thank you Wilbur.
You literally saved my life both with your streams, buds and songs.
You will always be believed in, loved and supported by your true fans.
Hope you have an amazing life ahead, surrounded by friends, family and fans.
#WilburSupportSquad #LoveforLovejoy
The first time I remember crying to music was the first time I heard your song "For Memories" on
Maybe I Was Boring. In that moment I imagined you were my older brother sitting by a fire strumming away at your guitar and that image made me break down crying.
I've spent so much time listening to your music, watching your videos and streams, and buying your merch. We said "hey" to each other as you passed by to get to the venue when I went to watch you and your band perform last year.
What you did doesn't truly surprise me (your music has always been about how you are bad at relationships) but the worst part is you made an album all about how sad hurting someone made you. I'm not saying you can't become a better person and find forgiveness but very few people do.
To know that if I told you that story about crying to For Memories you probably would've laughed in my face hurts my soul more than you could possibly imagine.
The only solace I find in this situation is the fact it seems you burned every bridge with basically every creator imaginable and a good portion of your fans will never let you move on from this and will mention it at every turn.
man for memories inspired so many songs ive written alone, i cried too man.
finally have the peace to come back to his music without thinking about the situation but for his great music
+ god i hope he still donates to charity after all this
oh and belated happy birthday
im actually so proud of everyone that came here to comment and talk about how much they grow up since they have been listening to you, wilbur, and to be honest it’s the same for me! I’ve been listening to every single song from lovejoy to your solo songs because i love them and they mean a lot to me because it reminded me of my past self to someone I want to be in the future.. like a reminder to not be like my old self (? Its kind hard for me to explain but i hope you can understand) But i guess what i wanted to say is that Thank you Wilbur and Thank you guys for being here! Because of you I grew up understanding a little better who i am :)
sorry if is hard to understand what i said, my English isn’t the best but i try sometimes without the translate:’)
Your English is great, dont worry about it !! /pos@@mrskini
I understand. This community is such a positive and supportive one ❤ for the better part of the past 4-5 years or so, I've been listening to his music, and I think it effected me a lot & helped me a bunch. It's nice to see it helped so many others, too
@@catgirlleahyah i totally agree 🤍! And for sure it helped me alot
uh oh, what now?
so real of wilbur to not openly talk about his new solo music released but yet still makes sure it can't be listened to with the best possible audio
I miss you. I always come back when it's rough for me and your music is so relatable and helps me through a lot. More than my flake of a therapist for sure. I wish you well Wilbur. I hope you continue making more music in the future. I really hope you do eventually.. I miss you
I hope you're alright.
I like this comment, it’s straight forward.Deep down I agree.I hope Wills okay.
To those who still love and believe you can change yours and still stick to the path of light; including me, we will recognize your fault but regardless remove those pitchforks and help you up again and watch you keep on being a good person. Not once i ever thought hatred against you, noone should, its gives such sorrow and unhealthy thoughts to your mind that maybe you need a few pennies for that warm coffe to calm your mind. Hope for the best for you.
Thank you, Wilbur. Please keep doing what you do. Both this album and YCGMA have helped me more than I could ever express over the last four years or so. I’ll always keep coming back here. Thank you again. You’ve saved my life with what you do ever since 2019. You probably don’t read the comments on this, but I hope you’re doing ok :)
This whole album makes so much more sense now we have the context. I am so disapointed, always thought this was just a character or exadurated version/ manifestation of his deeper emotions, not what he really was like. I am heartbroken and angry.
I had to stop and review every lyric over again today as soon as he dropped his statement
'please don't ask what these words mean, just please don't misinterpret me 💀'
I've never have been so disappointed with an artist as I am now
Everyone has flaws, we found willburs. You don't have to hate him you just have to acknowledge that he's no idol and someone who just needs to work on self improvement. The world doesn't get better from hate, I personally still respect him greatly and am looking forward to his growth in the future.
@@bcw1nc865 I'm sorry, but they aren't "flaws", they are harmfull traits of abuse, of a CRIME.
It's hard to distance myself from him after all this time, i suppose It's the same for you, but keep supporting and respecting him after all of this is not the right thing to do.
And after his response (where he didn't acknowledge his behavior, and doesn't even say "I'm sorry" once), I just can't believe he want to change. It feels like he is not sorry for what he did, but because we found out. Shelby isn't the only one, and she made it very clear that he could and would do it again, and i don't know for you, but that doesn't sound like someone worthy of your or anyone's respect.
Hope you're doing okay
When my card declines at therapy so they start playing msr
when the card declines at therapy so they tell me my favourite cc of 4 years is an abuser
@@sxicideseason when my card declines at therapy so they show the statement he made
@@lillyplaysguitarwhat did he say?
I just want to feel normal again :(
@aniotakuYT not at all what I’m saying bud, go project somewhere else
@aniotakuYT I was quoting the lyrics to the song
Same….
i think we all do, i just want everything back to being normal
I'm totally not crying to this song at 3am
It's silly how the album is so sad but it still manages to comfort me, the sound is just really beautiful. It came out just at the right time, when I couldn't really express all the emotions I had building up and it was like a burden, but every time I listened to the album it was like the music was expressing everything for me, it really did make life a little easier for me. and it still does, even though those emotions aren't there anymore, not as much at least. It still feels like home, its really beautiful
We already lost so much. We cant lose you too. Stay safe, please get better
Hey man, I have been listening to you. YCGMA used to be my comfort album, which was then replaced with Mammalian Sighing Reflex. I absolutely adore how you portray your struggles. I love the music, and how you approach it. My favourite one is Glass Chalet, I love the sound of it. I love your music, thank you for making it. I'll always be waiting for another album drop. I hope you're doing well. I've been following Lovejoy as well, and I love what you do, though I prefer your songs better, haha. I love singing your songs too, your music got me into writing my own as well, though that's gone nowhere for now. From all those years back watching those YLYL streams, to now, you've sort of been tagging along in my life. I am very thankful for your presence, and it has also shaped me in a certain way. You are a large part of what makes me, me. You are, no-shit, the person my personality most matches to haha, I think it's a coping mechanism of sorts, along with the same thirst for creating and showcasing art, and the dire need of validation that stems from that. I am grateful to you, and hope you keep good care of yourself man. Until next time then, Will. Take care.
-Tani
P.S.
This comment reads so much like a letter from Stan bahaha.
i made a reddit post about this but ill copy and paste it here
guys i really think it's true and it's genuinely heartbreaking
i bought this guys merch, i love his music to fucking death, every single one of them, you're city gave me asthma, are you alright, pebble brain, your new boyfriend, soft boy, internet ruined me, im in love with a e-girl, wake & its over, and mammalian sighing reflex, i cried to this mans music for months, i waited, excited for new music, a pinterest board with 173 pins, both, had aya wallpapers and ycgma, I have a comment that will made on the video of ycgma as a widget on my phone, i laughed at this dude and found comfort, he was such a big fucking inspiration to me, i started playing fucking guitar because i was so inspired by ycgma, the first song i ever learned was Jubilee Line, i know almost every Lovejoy song on guitar now and make my own stuff(trying at least) covering his stuff, i waited for his streams and then rewatch the vods, ive been getting so excited for the new fucking lovejoy single, this mans face is a fucking widget on my phone im genuinely crying over this because i genuinely love his work i find so much inspiration and comfort in it, i found comfort in him but genuinely its so heartbreaking if its true, like the fucking line "he had a ant infestation" "he said insects are normal in British homes" THATS SO SPECIFIC LIKE I CANT
im just kinda ranting im so fucking heartbroken, im listen to mammalian sighing reflex for what might be the last time if its true. so fucking sad
like i remember when will comment on my reddit post i was so fucking happy
sorry if this is coming off as parasocial because honestly it is, im just so hurt because this dude is literally my fucking idol (was my idol)
support shubble
edit: it's confirmed not surprised but damn
edit 2: (11/8/24) hey its been a while, i just found out a new lovejoy single released 2 days ago, it made me cry, this album ended up getting recommended under that video, im already on "glass Chalet" somehow, kinda feeling a lot somehow, i thought i was already over all of this but i guess not. i really could've used this guy's help in the past couple months, i went through a really fucking bad break up a couple months back, i really wish i had the comfort of this guy that i once had to help me with that, but i didnt, and i dont. why can't he fucking own up and apologize already? my fucking idol turned out to be an abuser. like months later thats still fucking crazy to wrap my head around that. even if he does apologize i couldn't let myself even get close to loving this dude the same. i have no idea how i got so attached to a guy i dont fucking know. he just got in and helped me out in such a horrible and vulnerable time in my life, i thought i was over it, but this album has me in so much fucking tears.
im at 10 week rule, i hope its not true but this is going to be the last music from will that im going to listen from will its so damn heartbreaking
it really sucks to think i supported this guy because i loved his content so much, for so long, and it's a harsh reminder that you can never really know someone from what they present online. I hope only the best for Shelby for her future, and that she can heal. Seems daft to ignore the signs that connect the abuse to him unless she comes out and says something against him. I'm sorry for all the time you invested into someone who turns out to not be worth it. Don't worry about it being "parasocial", you lost time and money to someone believing in what they sold to you, and it turned out to be a lie. Your feelings are valid. My best to you, hope we can both move on from this
i totally understand man. wilbur was such a big comfort of mine and he was one of the ppl who inspired me to start writing songs. to find out he could do something like this is so disappointing. i know people aren't always what they act like online but i really thought wilbur was better than this...
As unreal as this feels. The biting thing is too specific. I feel broken cuz him and his music are genuinely such a place of comfort.
Same I’m so ashamed to have contributed to giving an abuser a platform.
I remember first hearing ycgma a few years ago and fell in love, its crazy how well someone can capture such an emotion. Take care of yourself with everything going on man
I wish I had discovered your music when depression was hitting me really hard near the end of 2022. I remember it was the worst when I was in France for two weeks during the end of December/ beginning of January. I’ve never felt more hopeless and miserable in my life. I would wake up every morning and yearn for the next time I was able to sleep again because it was the only time I was able to be at peace. Sometimes, when those feelings catch up to me I come here, close my eyes, and listen. Around the Pomegranate hits the hardest lol. Mostly because of the last few lines. Anyways, thank you for creating such beautiful pieces of art and helping the community. Happy New Year!
0:00 - Amazon Standing Lamp
3:16 - Mine/Yours
6:25 - Around the Pomegranate
9:05 - I don't think it will ever end
10:32 - Glass Chalet
14:08 - Melatonin 130 (bpm)
17:57 - Oh, Distant You
22:30 - Eulogy
25:13 - Dropshipped Cat Shirt
27:56 - The Median
29:00 - Trying Not to Think About It
33:00 - 10 Week Rule
This album meant so much to me. Knowing the context breaks my heart and I am no longer able to listen to any of these songs without discomfort.
i hate how i love it, how i miss it. why must it comfort me so?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels betrayed. I hate him for getting me so attached to his online persona, to the point of almost wanting to forgive him, where I'm worrying about how he's doing. He is the main reason I decided I wanted to go on testosterone after years of debating, just because of the shear amount of gender envy he gave me. Why did you have to make me like you so much? I know so many are going through so much more, and while my pain is but a fraction, it still hurts... So much. Never have a person be your special interest, especially if that special interest was the one thing that kept you from suicide
this is so true.
I absolutely understand how you feel. I haven't stopped thinking about this for the past day and last night. It's heartbreaking, since he was one of the people who kept me going. Even if I know that it's not that big of a deal, and that I sound parasocial. It's horrible, since I realized I was aromantic through his songs... Hope you'll feel better soon
@@ThatOneKaiPersonThanks :] Happy to see a fellow Aro
i feel exacrtly like this, thankyou for validating how i felt
Please stay strong! Know that these feelings of betrayal are completely justified even if our connection to him is purely of fan to content creator. The fact that you’re conscious enough to recognise these emotions and understand morally what is correct is incredibly respectable. Sending much love and just know that these feelings will pass!
This year has been an emotional roller coaster.
I'm neutral between Wilbur and Shelby and hope they're both getting the help they need, Wilbur's actions can not be justified but i do wish him well in helping himself :)
I remember when this album came out, i was at my Nan's house eating pasta while scrolling through my phone and then i saw it on my youtube feed and had to try not to scream of joy, i told my brothers about it as soon as i could and they obviously didn't care but i cared.
This album hits different in winter, like when it was my birthday i had such a good time that day and listened to this album on the way back home from dinner and felt peaceful.
Thanks for this album Wilbur, i hope you and Shelby are both getting the help you need, i'm missing the feeling of joy from when i watched your streams.
I miss you so much, it’s been three years since I found you, I listen to every single song, ep you released, memorized every word until it was etched into my soul.
✨Now I can cry with better audio quality✨
All I can say is that I hope you are still alive and that things get better. In general. You said it always get better, so I hope you still believe that..
I honestly can't help but relate this situation to something I went through. I won't go too much into detail, but I understand. I can understand so much more now. I really hope you know that you are loved, that you can love yourself. It's hard. It's hard being surrounded with negativity constantly. But it's okay to be positive. It's okay to have hope. It's okay to admit to mistakes. It's okay to go through change. Personally, I am neutral on this current situation because it's words against words right now. I don't know anybody involved in this situation personally, so I can't pick a side. But like I said earlier, I relate my past situation to yours and I can't help but feel compassion. I don't believe it is all black and white, not until proven so and that is not the case right now. I hope you are getting proper rest. I know you need it.
Thank you for all you have done. I hope you continue to do good things in the future.
I still have those expectations of you. Please maintain them. Or better yet, try to exceed them. ;P
Love, Ella :)
Hey, wil. Just like coming here and listening to this album once in a while. I hope you’re doing well and that you and the band are fine too, and I hope you have a great time in Australia. We miss you
we do
Every single song is so good man, the amount of emotion is crazy, stay safe wilbur
Wilbur I just wanted to say that I still love your music and listen to it.
Your music saved me from killing myself I always felt so happy whenever you realised a new song. I’ve always wanted to meet you in person and tell you so much about how I’ve gotten my own music taste from Lovejoy.
But after seeing what has happened with you and Shelby I actually started crying my 2024 was not going so great but don’t worry it’s better now. All I want to say is that you saved me.. now we hope to save you :)
A secret has been found in Melatonin 130 that could possibly reinterprets the song's meaning.
After claiming "But I know you" (which in this video is at around 16:09), Wilbur inserts a soundbite that ever since the album came out we thought was nothing of importance, maybe a moan, or something of the sorts (I myself didn't even notice it properly until today) but upon inspection you can clearly hear it's a reversed audio segment, and reversing it lets you hear him saying his name clearly, "William Gold", which fits and completes the rhyming scheme established in the following line, "(...) until our bones grow old".
Thus, he's actually saying "I know you (William Gold)", implying that whole quadrant, and possibly the whole song (?), is about himself and how he feels about the person he is, which we can theorize on but at this point we know he wasn't the greatest partner, with the abuse actually having happened or not he was a bit of a slouch about his relationship, and in general, and he seems to resent. We don't know what other secrets are hidden in these so it's about us uncovering them, if there's anything else to uncover that is. Hope everyone here is doing alright, don't forget that whether he did it or not, it's still interesting to dive into this person's creative mind, so at least enjoy the process if you're agaisnt the person, or don't, it's up to you, but let's not make this place more toxic than it already is 🍀
That´s actually such a cool theory!
that’s such a cool theory holy shit i actually love thay
Arg?
@@TheRoy-b9d Probably not, just a hidden detail in the song
Listening to this actually felt so different from the Spotify version. There might not be that much of a difference and this might be my brain playing games on me, but I feel like I can appreciate this album a lot more again.
Seriously love this album, it’s so beautiful and just comforting. Hope you’re doing well king, we’re all proud of you! :)
Thank you will your music has gotten me through a lot and i really hope things go your way!
happy birthday to an album that saved my life; the day this came out was coincidentally the day i nearly left this world, until i listened to it, and i’m still here a year later. i know some people still avoid Will, but thank fuck you made this ❤ keep making stuff you love, thank you
It's sad to see how people still paint him like he's the most evil person on Earth even though Wilbur said he's going through therapy, and he's been talking about it way before, so I really doubt it's untrue. I think that's a good indicator of that he realizes his wrongdoings and actually seeks to be a better person, so maybe he's not as bad. Sure, the damage is done, people are still hurt and nothing is going to change that, the only thing that can be done is try and prevent the same thing from happening in the future, and that's what's therapy's for in this case. Sure, he should be held accountable, but he absolutely doesn't deserve all the hate and everything else that's been put out. He doesn't deserves to get worse. I think he does have redeemable qualities, he wants to improve and that's what matters. It should be appreciated, and how the situation was handled by everyone, from community to other content creators, is just ridiculous and outrageous. I just hope Wilbur knows that there are still people who believe in him, who cherished his art and still do, and who are willing to welcome him back when he's better
no one is perfect
Don't die Will
He won’t die.We just haves to keep reminding him that we still care about him.Even if we don’t genuinely know what he’s up to
YCGMA was an album/ep that got me through the darkest parts of my life; it's pretty much guaranteed that Will is an abuser. I've been watching since the late Soothouse/JackSAL editor series era. I really hope that one percent chance of this all being misconstrued is the truth, but it isn’t. This guy has been an idol and an inspiration to me. It sucks.
Thank you Wilbur.
I decided to listen to this again and i felt a wave of strong memories, as this was the album i listened to as i was cleaning out my grandpas house before he passed away.
Wilbur,
I hope you find therapy and better yourself before you do something drastic and irreversible. But no amount of therapy will fix what you’ve done to shubble and countless others. You messed up. You have messed up for the past five years. You may have been hurting and you had every right to hurt, but you did not have a right to hurt others. We do not need an apology. Shubble does. And until your honest words form an apology, you do not have a right to those words.
Prove that you can be better. And prove that you can change. You’re life is not over. You can still change for the better. Don’t ever give up. Get the therapy you need and you and everyone around you will be happier.
Suicide will only make people hurt more, and you’ve already hurt people enough.
this is the best comment I have ever read
I completely agree, I think some people have gone too far. Will has done some awful things but I worry every day about him, I've lost enough UA-camrs due to death, one was a suicide and I'm scared we are going to loose Will as well. But with time he can change maybe make a less rushed apology and overall better himself.
Good statement but only if he was guilty. However the ppl in the situation are neutral. No ones guilty yet and it isnt final. Plus he hasnt made a full response yet but he said he would at the end of the tweet
I absolutely despise the people sending Will death threats. I hope he takes the time to heal himself and his behaviour and give a real apology to those he's hurt.
@@hammywoods None of this shouldve been brought up to the internet. If anything it shouldve been brought up to the police. Shubble shouldve known that internet would know its Wilbur since they r crazy. Ppl on the internet without professional law experience have no say whos guilty in the situation and it brings unnecssary amount of guilt and ruins their career.
Wilbur's music feels like a warm blanket on a winter night and this comment section is so comfy, i just love everything about this
This breaks my heart...
This album is one year old and here I am listening to it again. Hope everything gets better, sending you lots of hugs Wilbur 🫂
Sharing my thoughts here, kinda rambling, I just need to get this out somewhere and this looks like the most safe place to do so.
I do wanna say that I, in no way, support abuse.
It's just that this mans content and music really helps me getting through rough times and that since years. I know that that isn't a excuse for anything really but I'm really bad with change and actually had to avoid social media for a week because I was feeling so horrible for not being able to distance myself from his content in the way people wanted it. People saying to just move on and find a different artist are not wrong and all but trust me, I've tried. And everytime it just feels like something is missing.
I'm still waiting for Wilbur to hopefully say more about all this but if he doesn't that's also okay (with me. I'm not asking for other oppinions here.). I know I'll still be here no matter what.
But I think what we all want and deeply hope is that you, Wilbur, come back with a sincere apology. Not to us but to Shubble.
Personally I belive that as long as you're trying your best and try to be better after doing something wrong you will get better. It may take time but it will. I think it's hella unfair to say that a person can't change because that's just not true. I, from personal experience, can say that people can change for the better even if it isn't that easy and sometimes takes a long time. The fact that he said that he already goes to therapy only shows to me that he truly wants to be a better person. After re-reading what he posted on twt I also noticed him saying "I have taken my time sharing this statement [...]". STATEMENT. It isn't an apology and it was never meant to be one. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding things but it feels like no one really payed attention to that.
People saying that he admitted it actually start to piss me off because he didn't admit to anything if my english isn't letting me down. The only thing he admitted to was consensual biting and that he became slobbish, disrespectful and selfish to the end. ≠ admitting to abuse.
Also remind me in what context she said that depression is an excuse if I'm talking shit here but ??? I have seen multiple friends of mine change almost completely because of deperssion but they did it subconsciously in a way of non-verbally asking for help. Their entire lifestyle was changed during that, the way they behaved. It's not something that you do on purpose and is most definitly not an excuse. In the times that I've seen those things (even with myself) you're either not aware of doing something wrong, or you simply don't have the needed energy or knowledge to do better. It's not something you can control that easily.
Idk that's all for now and again, I just needed to get my thoughts out somewhere.
I hope things get better for all of us, content creator or not.
For now though I hope that you're doing okay. Take your time. We'll be waiting. There are still people that support you and the thing we care about most is that you're okay. We're very much aware of all the stuff comming your way from different partys inside the different communities and please, take care. You might have messed up big time but we, as your community, still care for your well-being.
(I know for a fact that I've completely butchered some parts of this please forgive me english is not my first language...)
To anyone reading this now: I have found where I stand in all this now and I choose to stay with Wilbur. This is unrelated to the fact that I can't let his and Lovejoys music go btw. I have plenty of reason for my decision (one of them being Shubble handing this situation pretty weirdly). I don't care how you see all this or who you believe but I can honestly just repeat my words. I've spent these past few days mostly on educating myself through multiple sources, talked to friends about this ,who are also pretty caught up with the stuff that's been going on, and am now pretty confident in my decision. (I get that this sounds para social okay T-T I just really needed that for myself I promise I'm not some weird stan)
Anyway...
I have changed my mind about an apology to Shubble for now, at least for what he's being accused of. If I'm actually understanding the lyrics of these songs now, which I was trying to do since he said that we get them horribly wrong, I can see that Shubble is not so innocent and that she has contributed to the outcome as well. Even if it isn't written in the songs it's still pretty obvious that she's not telling us everything we should know before pointing finger's, accusing someone of being a bad person.
This is getting long again so I'll stop now...
Remember to take care of yourself fellow person reading this :)
when this was released, I cried because it brought me so much joy, just from knowing my favorite creator and artist was still out there. now i cry because i know how much of a terrible person you secretly where, and that I used to look up to you, talk about you to my friends, and so many other things. I hope you get help. I hope you be a better person, and own up to what you did to Shelby. But I, and so many others, will never support you again. You kept a lot of your fans alive with your music, and now all we can hear in your voice is an abuser.
you and your music literally saved my life. i listened to it before i attempted. after, during, it all. it helped me through it and although im still very stuck in it, it helped me feel emotions i didnt know i could, and cry when i didnt think i could either.
wow. im still in denial. i just need a statement from someone. the truth.
never thought this could happen. i really had respect for you.
I got diagnosed with BPD last week. It's been hard but this album has really helped me understand myself a bit more. Thanks Wilbur💛
i have bpd too and wilbur's songs help me 🙏🥺
EVERYTIME i come across this video i end it on tears. This Album is huge and honestly those silly sad boy songs aren't just silly, they're very meaningful to some people, probably way more than they are to me,so if I'm sobbing as I'm writting this,imagine the others?. You have talent,even if it is making your fans cry. I appreciate your work and I've always have.
I'm waiting on new songs...❤
Thank you so much for such a great donation, you're really a good natured person
Please take care of yourself Wilbur. I can’t handle you off-ing yourself. Some of us still care about you, even after all of this.
Something about this album is so beautiful but upsetting... i love it.
Me and a lot of other people look forward to your comeback Will
hey, will
idk if you'll ever see that message, but i hope that you do eventually.
it may be not appropriate for me to say such things, it may be perceived as parasocial but given the situation you're in right now, i still want to speak up to help you with an advice if i can. i do not come with ill intentions or aggression. i will be bold but not hateful.
i was in shelby's place. i was emotionally abused by a man with mental health issues, who didn't know better. it was a result of his poor, flawed characteristics of his personality that emerged from multiple traumas he went through. i was not the first who he'd hurt. my abuser was an abuser not because he was a psychopath or narcissist, he was an abuser because of his own traumas. it may be inacceptable for some, it does not excuse his actions as some may say, and it's perfectly understandable. if a man hurts you, you'd most likely run away not caring about why is he like that, you have to think about yourself not about his feelings. it's perfectly, absolutely normal. that's what shelby did.
i did not. it may be a personality trait that once will come back to hit me like a train and i will regret that i am like this, but it did not yet. i am capable of understanding anyone's reasons and troubles. i'm capable of forgiving anyone if i know that they had their reasons to be like that. and that's why i understand you and my abuser, and cannot be rationally mad at you and my abuser. that's what i am like. and i am also not a good person, i am also a mentally ill person, i have wronged multiple people and i was dangerous and hurtful once.
the thing i wanted to say to you is, well. you fucked up. you seriously fucked up, and it's about time to accept that. you ignored her safe word multiple times, you hurt her multiple times, you ignored her pleads to stop and traumatised her. YOU DID. no need to try and redeem yourself by claiming shit that is not sincere. however, it is not the end and it should not be the end even if some people say otherwise. if you want to keep your career and reputation, you have to go all-in. you have to be honest, to be genuine with your community, to reveal all the little details even if it means giving up on some of your privacy and personal stuff. you literally HAVE TO, because that is not a type of situation you can come out clean of. you'll need to do what dream did if not more, because he was proving the allegations wrong and you'll need to prove that you've changed.
and, to be clear, to this day you've probably not. and it will take a long time, maybe months, maybe years. when you're forced to live without the support from your friends, without the support from your community, after losing everything you had. well, that's what you get for seriously fucking up. the thing is, you'll genuinely need to change. whatever you'll do will be on your conscience, you may theoretically just lie to everyone and it may work, but it probably won't. you need to get a few years off to work on yourself. if you want to have meaningful and healthy relationships, you'll HAVE to change, and only then it will be acceptable to return into the social media and content/music creating circles. go to therapy, think about what you've done, accept that you're wrong, take the responsibility. apologize to all the people who you've wronged in person, without revealing it to social media. tell your closest friends that you know you fucked up, but you're willing to change for them. and, let me say it clear....
do it for THEM, not for yourself. and after that YOU will get better, but the people should come first, and you should come next. not never, just next.
everyone deserves redemption, but you will have to work hard for it. i wish you good luck.
hi im obviously not wilbur but um i just want to say you really brave for confessing your flaws and that you were abused and i really do hope you doing okay/alright have a good day, afternoon, or night whatever you are ❤
this comment is amazing
Thank you for being reasonable :) (I’m not the best with words, so hopefully this came out the way I wanted)
Do NOT wish him Luck. He is an abuser, say it louder not differently
@@viex- I feel like you didn't quite catch my message
Why am I crying I don't don't know I just miss him come back please
Hey Wilbur, i know i commented once before but i feel more content with speaking on this.
You are my comfort guy, listening to your solo ablums always brought me the littlest peace i had for four years. The past four years were hell for me, and a lot had happened in them. Getting more comfortable in my own skin, realizing that im aroace and figuring out that im a system. The one thing that stayed the same though, was that fact i had music to fall back onto and your music was there. I listened to YCGMA so many times that i had most of the songs memorized by heart in 2022. And then the whole situation that has happened gave me a gut punch. I took Shubble's side at the beginning as i try to support victims if i can but now.... now, i dont know what to truly think. I support you more as everything has been thrown at you at high speeds which isnt good. Everything is so sh1tty currently and i truly hope that you are doing at least a bit better. Please, take care of yourself and go eat and talk with your family members or your friends. People truly care about you, even though it may seem that it doesnt look like that. People still want you around and want to know youre doing alright. Its gonna be okay, Wilbur.
From, Alex (a small fan since 2020 or so)
i love how raw the songs. i love you, you're not a good person- like me. your solo albums has always reflected this. thank you for these albums, theyve helped more than you can ever imagine. please release more. never stop will.
This album breaks and makes my heart at the same time it's so beautiful but gut-wrenching
(2/11/24)
There's something so special about Wilbur's music that helps me so much whether or not that's YCGMA, MIWB, his old covers of other songs, or Lovejoy. Though it sounds weird, I'm really happy that he's still making music like this. Yeah, it's good to have nice, upbeat songs like One Day or Perfume to feel energized, but having songs to be able to connect to and take a step back to listen to is so refreshing. I remember having really shitty summer depression in 2021 and all that I did that summer was stay inside and have a fucked sleep schedule. I'd wake up at 7 AM and stay awake all throughout the day till 6 AM to sleep. Then I'd wake up at 7 AM again and the cycle repeated that entire summer. Bed was my prison for 3 months. And you wanna know what kept me going through those painful 3 months? Late, depressive nights talking to my friend over text while having Alexa play the entirety of YCGMA on repeat everyday. Ever since that summer, I've realized how bad it really can get for some people. I thought I knew bad before that, but that summer? It changed everything for me. Listening to Jubilee Line, I'm Sorry Boris, and La Jolla and so many other songs on the album made me feel the most empty yet relaxed I think I've ever been. Like I was stuck in a void between space and time. Like time wasn't really passing but I was still in the present. When I broke out of it and started getting up, I was never in a good mood but slowly the more I got out of the house, I actually began being myself again. I think that that summer was genuinely one of the worst of my life. Maybe that entire year, too. but if there was one thing that came from that year that I remember was the best, it was those late, shitty fucking nights just sitting in bed, wide awake, staring at the ceiling, listening to YCGMA on repeat. Night after night, day after day,. It was my purpose for continuing on for some reason and I still have no idea why but god am I thankful it helped me keep going.
My point is, music is something that I think is such a important part of so many people's lives, including my own. It doesn't matter what you may or may not listen to. It matters how you see it and how you connect with it. For me, this new MSR album has gave me the most comfort any other songs have for a while. Without a bunch of messy rambles, I have severe case of what i believe might be contamination OCD. It's spiked so high ever since COVID hit and I have struggled for the past 3-4 years now with leaving my house. Enjoying meals is horrific too as I haven't gotten my taste back since 2021 when I had COVID. For whatever reason, this album perfectly shows my frustration and emotions about this stupid issue I've had and I can't help but tear up a little whenever "Around the Pomegranate" starts playing. I think it's mainly because of the lyrics "I just want to feel normal again. I just want to have meals with my friends. I just can't go through this again." It connects with me on the level of just being stuck in my house, dreading going outside my room because everything I touch feels so icky and gross and I hate it so, so, so much. My (possible, not diagnosed) contamination OCD has fucked me over so badly that I hate even the idea of going outside of being around objects that's been outside. It's awful. But somehow, this silly little album has helped me through it so much more than I ever thought it would've. So, once again, thank you Wilbur for saving my life and making me feel comfortable. I can't thank you enough for how much your music has helped me over the years and how much comfort it's brought me.
please live and don't leave us, Will. People on the Internet are cruel, don't listen to anyone. Just please don't kill yourself
I truely hate him but people wishing for him to kill himself is so terrible I just hope he's getting the help he needs
@@jasmineedwards5954 I agree with you
@@jasmineedwards5954 mistakes, we all commit them. small and big, sometimes going too far. only if there's a solution to end all problems once and forever. sure i hate the things he has done, but i still want a solution to fix it all. only hope all his victims, including himself, will get a help that all of them need.
Please
A fantastic album. I really hope you put out more someday!!
There are people who still love you no matter what... we just hope that the truth comes out one day and we can step over this. Keep improving on yourself and please don't listen to these horrible people out there. We're here. We hear you. We support you. We love you.
Thank you Will! Take as much time off as you need man! We are here for you whenever you need and we continue to support you!! Enjoy the time off!!
i really miss you and your streams hope to ever see you pop up live again...
we all do at least a little bit deep down
The thing that struck me the most was for the first time… I found a song beautiful. Gotta give props to Wilbur on “Oh, Distant You”
First heard it (with full attention) while on a drive to a city. The fact that it was night time suited its vibe a lot.
I love this album so much, can't believe it's been a year. Happy birthday, MSR!
Hay Wilbur! Im sorry for everything that has been happening, despite how I dont support what you did, I still love your music, It always helps me when im in a bad mood, and i do believe you can change! it just takes time, I hope you're having a good day or if you see this and you're not i hope this brightens your day, I will still forever be a fan of yours
-From a fan of yours: Tommy :)
I love this album so much
hey will! i don’t know what the odds are of you seeing this, but today as of january 1st i came back to check how much you’re donating and i just want to tell you that you’re doing an amazing thing (even though im sure you already know). keep taking care of yourself and kick ass this year!
I though you were one of the best lyricist, song writer, writer, producer and musician. You inspired me to play the guitar with music you made, I supported your band and even became my favorite band. I had a dream of going to one of your concerts and even dreamed of making music like you. I slept listening to your music because It gave me comfort. Now every time I listen to the music that used to give me comfort I just keep thinking about all the horrible things you did to her. How could you? Some part of me wanted to believe that you’re not the person she described but after your statement I can't be more disappointed and I can't help but hate you so much for hurting such an incredible and nice person, she didn’t deserve all the things you made her go through, I’m so proud of her for speaking out about what happened to her and I think that makes her so strong. I’m very disappointed in you and also disappointed at myself for admiring your work. I don’t know what happened to you in the past that made you this way but I wish in another life you would’ve been different and a better person.
I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. Wilbur has helped me so much but I don’t agree with what he did nor do I want to support him but I just ended up here
it's alright to feel sad that someone you liked before turned out to be a bad person, take your time to process it