Got bubble algae?
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Recently the bubble algae I had been letting grow in my Dream Reef Tank had started to overstay it's welcome, so it was time to go.
But without access to emerald crabs here in australia, what is the best way to tackle it?
Continuum have a program based around Equation Clean-M that I find works very very well - this video will explain how to go about the program.
Followed this recipe to the T and my massive bubble algae outbreak is now completely gone. at the end of the 2 weeks there was a little tiny bit left. I stopped running the recipe and in the next week or so the remaining bits went away and now I cant find any at all. Thank you so much parker, your a god send.
Glad to hear it did the trick for you!!!
During this treatment time did you ran the protein skimmer and uv?
@@sadatfaisal5203 yes absolutely
I would definitely give this a shot as I am battling bubble algae and it’s getting out of hand and control. I will reach out to you and get the recipe for it. Thank you 🙏 for sharing your experience and success.
Recipe is shared extensively in the video man :)
Ive followed this recipe also for my 800G reef tank and it worked amazingly. No more bubble and lettuce algae! Very happy! I wonder which of the products or combination could be dosed weekly to keep any algae away?
Thanks heaps Sam!
Pleasure, glad it was of use!
Interesting method! I'd be interested in learning more about the active ingredients and mechanism(s) of activity. For what it's worth, after attempting months of manual removal and emerald crabs to battle a serious bubble algae infestation in an established 125g mixed reef, I finally broke down and tried Vibrant, which has since gotten a bad name because the manufacturer attempted to hide the fact that it's actually an algicide. After one or two applications (i forget, it was a while ago), I was rid of Valonia within days, and this lasted until I broke the tank down about a year later. I didn't observe any negative consequences, but I realize that your mileage may vary, and I'd certainly be cautious about trying it on a dream reef like yours with sensitive corals. Glad you were able to find a successful system!
Vibrant will work! Just can cause other issues to be mindful of :)
Great video Sam. I’m dealing with it now. I’ve just been adding emerald crabs and a foxface. But like you said. We can get them here. Good luck.
See how you go, hopefully that combo will be enough :)
Glad to say I've never had an issue with bubble algae in the display. Thanks for the video Sam. Interesting that the Cadbury Purple acro passed during this process, as you may recall I lost the mother colony after replacing about 30% of my live rock and I believe that had caused an imbalance in the good bacteria.
Must be susceptible to some bacterial changes the old Cadbury purple?
@@ParkersReef could be, seems too much of a coincidence
I had a pretty bad bubble algae outbreak in my first 6-12 months of reefing. I got myself a one spot foxface rabbitfish and he absolutely murdered every bit of it in the tank it could reach, was pleasantly surprised how quickly it got rid of it all.
Nice one, get lucky sometimes!!!
Mine isn’t eating it at all!
Reefs looking awesome. 👌 your not missing out on those emerald crabs Sam. They do bugger all when the bubbles get hard and to a certain size. Good to know this definitely works
Ah good to know!!
Hi Sam. Great video. So, I have talked with Jack Kent (owner) and Dave (plant manager) of Brightwell Aquatics and Continuum many times about their products. I use a few Brightwell products with good results. I plan on following your routine to see if it works for getting rid of some bubble algae. This will be my first time using Razor which yes it is the same as Clean Equation M. I am just a little confused with the timing of the products you are dosing. Keeping in mind that the Continuum and Brightwell products are the same with just different names, the instructions for Microbacter Clean ( Bacter Clean M ) and Razor ( Clean Equation M ) when used together is to dose the Microbacter Clean first with socks removed and UV and Skimmer turned off for 4hrs then add Razor. Opposite of what you are doing. I don't see a big issue doing the order your doing but my question is if you have filter socks and you are dosing Bacter Clean M at night with the lights off are you actually removing the socks if you have them and how are you monitoring for possible cloudy water ( bacteria bloom ) with the lights off? What is also confusing to me is if you follow the Brightwell/Continuum instructions for Razor/Equation M it says to add a couple hours after lights come on so that actually contradicts the Brightwell/Continuum instructions to dose Microbacter Clean/ Bacter Clean M first.
Curious on what you think about the conflicting information?
interesting! I have a roller mat, so that works like a filter sock
Hello parker, question for you. on the clean equation m maintenance dose it just says add 7.5ml to tank, is that 7.5 total or 7.5 per 50 gallons? thanks ahead of time.
Yeah that’s 7.5ml per 50 gallons
I'm on my 10th day of the program(alternating dosing days), and the bubble algae is gone! Amazing!! My last water change was a few days before i started the program. Wondering when i can do a water change? Thanks so much for your help and the awesome video!!
So glad to hear it has worked for you! I’d keep running the program a little longer to be certain it’s done. Then give it a good water change and enjoy your reef tank!
Thanks, I was going to continue the whole 14 days, before i did anything...@@ParkersReef
@@kerrydrayton7963 sounds like a plan!
Big fan of these products for bubble algae control. Great video Sam, I’m about to do the same process on my little tank at home.
Sometimes we hear it causes aChaeto to melt, and sometimes it doesn’t. I often wonder what determines that.
Ania
Yeah it’s an oldie but a goodie that often gets overlooked as it is a fairly complex process.
No idea why some algae’s are affected and others are not. My refugium kept running throughout without issue whilst bubble algae melted in the display. Odd stuff?!
@@ParkersReef occasionally when I encounter skepticism with treating Valonia with this product I feel it relates to the packaging not being marketed specifically for it. Ie. versus it was called “Bubble Algae Buster” or something lol.
But hell yeah it works.
@@GalleryAquaticaTV I've used it and it seems to be a fabulous product. However, the Australian SDS will hint to why you are seeing some of the phenomenon you are noticing, and you might be quite shocked at the chemical class!
Great video Sam! Just about to start this regime. 2 questions: 1) Equation M maintenance dose: start on day 7 or day 8? And 2) When working out the dosage, do one take in account the non-water capacity of the tank (ie just the water) or just use the full tank capacity in terms of aquarium volume? Eg my full system tank capacity is 434 litres but I’m estimating my actual water volume to be around 380 litres. Thank you again Sam.
Start that on day 8 and split the difference on the volume, I’d go for 400 litres myself :)
Thank you for replying! 😊
Pleasure! Thank you for watching :)
Hi Sam. After day 14 of following the regime to a tee, Bubble Algae disappointingly still present. Do I just continue the maintenance dose for a few more days?
@user-ex1iz8to9q oh wow, that has to be a first I’ve ever heard. Has it at least started to change colour? If it has changed colour a little, run maintenance.
If it doesn’t look any different, I’d review the entire process and start a fresh
Wow ! I hope I never get it! That is a complex process. I saw a BRS video on bubble algae, the guy tested it and said is nothing inside of it to reproduce so we can scrap it and pop it . Good luck with the treatment hope you get rid of it. Thanks mate.
Yeah not sure if trust that though, plenty of popped them before and they’ve spread like wild fire 😅😅😅
Popped a few and they’re all over the place, Not an ideal solution.
good review, wont use vibrant equivalent myself, having the availably of both hands
Fair enough too 👍🏻
I put some in a cup of vinigar for 3 days for a test and it was still alive 😂😂 I pick them off when I see them with out bursting
Wow that’s pretty hardly stuff!!
Hey mate I know it’s off topic, but I’ve had my tank running for 2 months now I had brown algae/hair algae after a month of the system running it cleared on its own for about 3 weeks it has come back once again… is this normal? What are some things I can do. Also my lights are running for 8 hours a day. Cheers keep up the great reefing content
yeah sounds completely normal mate, especially if you are using artificial rock. I'd run some aluminium oxide phosphate remover and add some more trochus snails
@@ParkersReef will do exactly that thanks heaps
I've been dosing the Equation M for a single course and it sort of worked. Forgot to do the maintenance dose, so that might have been the problem.
I have some Bacter Clean M left over, so will try your method and see how it goes.
Keep me updated!
Hi Parker, would I be able to run Rowaphos or a refugium while doing this treatment? Or any other phosphate remover? I'm afraid of my phosphate spiking. Thanks.
hey Clive, good question. I would be worried that Rowaphos would remove your active ingredients and make them less effective.
You can still run a refugium, however you may find it's growth inhibited depending on the macro you have in there and how it responds to the treatment.
Sam, where did you get that measuring turkey baster?!? Great video, about to start the process tomorrow.
Hey Alex, i got it off eBay - called an adjustable pipette.
Great bit of gear, highly recommend!
Great video, thanks for sharing. Wondering if this method would be safe to use with clams?
yeah great question! I personally have not done it myself with clams so wouldn't be comfortable saying 100% for sure that it is. Hopefully someone else that has done the process with clams can comment.
Love your video❤️Thank you!! I have a large maxima Clam. Would this be a problem with him?
Great question! I believe the bottle states it is fin with clams, however I have not tested this myself.
This worked
Thanks for help.
Glad to hear!
Get a Vlamingi tang for natural, or vibrant for reef aquariums. Both have worked great for me
Fantastic, glad it worked for you 👍🏻
Hey Sam, just curious about your pump flow settings? Appears your two tunze pumps are on a quick pulse to agitate the surface and your mp 60’s are running on reef crest? I have gyres however if I go pulse I get good polyp extensions however get more detritus on the bottom and if I go surge I get no polyp extension and have no detritus. Water flow has to be the hardest thing in a 8 foot tank. Good work as always, cheers
I have all my pumps set to a pulse. Tunze are doing most of the work, vortech really just there to add some random variety to the tunze wave
Thanks Sam for replying, interesting, water flow is certainly the hardest aspect in a mixed reef tank as things grow out
It’s certainly hard to baseline that is for sure
Interested in how this works long term. Please do a follow up review a month or two. Curious on how this effects your other coral and did the Valonia return?
I have ran it a few years ago without issue, but will be sure to follow up :)
Did any of your inverts take a hit during the treatment? I heard that snail 🐌 might need to come out?
they were completely fine, was a nervous part on my behalf too - but they didn't miss a beat (I have heard others say they were a little more lethargic than usual during the treatment, but I cannot comment first hand on that)
@@ParkersReef thank you for answering. That is a lot of effort on your behalf. Following your regimen.
Thank you again!!!!
My pleasure mate, thank you for watching!
This worked for me 6 months ago but they have started to show up again full force.
Yeah I find if you stop the program a little early, they do find their way back. Next time keep running the maintenance program for a week or two longer and see if that helps at all
Can this be done for Nono tank
certainly can! just adjust your dosages accordingly
I havent actually watched the video yet, but when I had bubble algae i just got very lucky with a foxface that developed a taste for it, couple of weeks later poof, all gone, and I had to rehome the foxface but its never come back since.
They sure are a chance to eat it!!
Do you know what is in Equation M? Equation M and Brightwell Razor seems like it works similar to vibrant and a lot of people on the forums tend to think that it is an algaecide. A lot of people have tried to see what its components are, but the companies are not saying. A lot of people also don't think an algaecide is all that bad either but you can get it much cheaper by buying API brand which is half the cost. A lot of different opinions out there though. I am using Emerald crabs but I noticed that they won't eat the bubble algae unless there is nothing left for them to eat. So I have a ton of other cleaning crew also so it kind of forces them to eat it. I heard rabbit fish also are good bubble algae eaters.
If you want to run an algaecide - go for it. API will be your cheapest option
@@DoYouEvenFishTank it’s ok man, we get it, you’re set on that narrative 👍🏻
Do you turn off uv?
I do not
Can you use GFO to lower Phos while your treating or should you stop it before starting treatment?
I would recommend against it, the GFO could remove some of the active ingredients.
Thanks@@ParkersReef
And i can still use the skimmer through the whole process?
@@kerrydrayton7963 thank you!
@kerrydrayton7963 yes, follow the instructions with the skimmer. I like to turn it right down, but you can alternatively remove the cup and let it overflow
Emerald crab ate my bubble algae for 1 or 2 days then didn't do anything at all. I thought the foxface rabbit fish would eat bubble algae as well no?
They can yes
Hi Sam Tomorrow would be the 12th day into the program and I have followed your instructions to the tee. Have got everything layed out in my spread sheet and followed the program. The Algae so far is still present. How long do you think it takes to notice any changes? If I come to the end of the program and still present what shall I do? Should I just start again from the beginning or just keep the maintenance component till the Algae is gone? Thanks in Advance.
Hmm would hope to see some progress by now….
I’d keep going in maintenance level for another week
@@ParkersReef okay will give it another week. Cheers Bud
@@ParkersReef I am Wondering actully maybe its the skimmer pulling it out? I have noticed the waste in the skim cup a bit more blue in colour. Could that be a possibility? Do you think I should turn off the skimmer after applying Clean Equation M for about 3 or 4 hours?
No carbon in the system?
I’ve got a question for you! Have you seen micro brittle stars for sale anywhere in Melbourne? I know for a fact they were previously available within Australia online, but the one shop that did it is out of stock and won’t be getting them back. I’ve been on the hunt for them for a while but no luck :/
Can’t say I have sorry :(
Thanks Sam, do you also remove your chaeto when you start?
I didn’t, you could though. Didn’t kill mine but certainly halted its growth
did you manage to remove all the bubble algae?
It did, however I should have run the maintenance for another week or two as it did come back about six months later
Mix it in with a garden salad. Delicious!
Hahahaha never tried 😂😅
You mentioned that raising your dKH would help fight off cyano. Could you explain that please? Thanks
I wish I could, but I don’t know the scientific reason behind it! I believe Triton have the reason behind it and I’ve always found when my dkh drops - I get cyano 🤷🏻♂️
Can you do water Change with this
or wait until after the 2 weeks?
I’d wait the two weeks
@Parkers Reef 2 weeks has passed, no coral issues at all. All Bubble gone. But water cloudy after using carbon and water changes. Did you have this too?
@@kerryt.6193 no my water went very clear, but I don't usually run carbon anyway. Should clear up overnight, if not - I'd check your source water
Very cool man. If it makes you feel any better I have a mental bubble algae problem in my sps tank and emeralds did nothing for it. I’m so reluctant to use chemicals on a mature tank that’s doing well but seeing your success is inspiring!
Consider the continuum program, sure worked well for me
Does your Foxface not eat it? I culture it for that reason where he can't get to it. Anywhere his face fits has none, which is 98% +
He may, but not enough to keep on top of it
Will this kill the macro Algee in my refugium?
It can, will depends on the macro. I’d recommend taking it out if you can
Still verdict best bang for buck mate?
In australia where we don’t have access to emerald crabs - yes :)
@@ParkersReef you think that’s bad mate try living in W.A we can’t get any invertebrates from your side anymore.
Honestly the worse state
@@kaisfullerton1348 yeah that makes it tough hey….
That being said, I reckon we get 70% of our inverts from WA anyway
@@ParkersReef but no blood line 😭
@kaisfullerton1348 yeah fair call :(
I just won my battle with dinos. I too try not to use chemicals if I can avoid it. After getting my paramters back on track and removing bi-weekly what I could, almost a year later still dealing with them. Then I tried the Reef Dudes hydrogen peroxide method with no luck either, little buggers didnt want to leave my tank. So I decided to use chemicals, Dino X. And still no luck!! What got em for me was a 6 day blackout while proceeding to dose the Dino X. Yes I did lose some corals due to lack of light but the sons of Bs are gone. God I hate dinos 😀
But you’ve beaten it now!!!
@@ParkersReef Ya I idid! Tried to be patient, didn't work LOL.
Not really a fan of emeralds but I can only get Gen M (not clean equation last time I looked)... anyhow I don't think I have much of it ;)
This looks quite good
Hope it helps mate
Would that process work for dinoflagellates? Ive had it for almost 6months and its driving me nutz
I don’t think it would work on Dino, I’d join the Mack’s reef dinoflagellates support group.
Some solid advice in there
I used a 4x dose of fluconazole which has killed both ulva and bubble algae in my tank. Takes awhile though.
Any corals effected? If so, what kinds.
@Derek S None at all. It did raise my alkalinity a bit, and of course the phosphates rose as the algae died off.
Yeah fluconzale can get it, just hard to get hold of here in australia in the quantity required
Omg wow. You can’t get any inverts in Australia??? Why is that ? You don’t have a cleanup crew ? That’s crazy !
We can get inverts, but we cannot import inverts. Aussie collected only
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
thank you!
Greetings from the U S of A
thanks Gus, hope you're having a good day
Fwiw, I had zero visible bubble algae...until my Foxface expired.
They certainly seem to have a good ratio of those who do eat it
Got same Cadbury purple colony here, yell out if you want a frag
Legend thanks mate
Is it just an algaecide like vibrant?
Absolutely not.
@@ParkersReef then why do lps get affected like vibrant
@@frgggggdsedd6913 they don’t?
It seems like it works similar to vibrant and brightwell's razor in how it is dose.
@@garrycole9187 must be algaecide
You mean BUBBLE L G.
Ok
You'll just harm or kill your sps if you starve your tank of phosphates like that.
0.02ppm won’t starve sps
@@ParkersReef it will if if you go from having higher phosphate down to that level.
if done quickly yeah, but there is no rush?