Dude this is perfect. I've seen a lot of people showing their ES controllers and they never really go this in depth with how to program the midi. Thank you so much!
GREAT video... simple, nicely explained and EXACTLY what I needed to know. I have the Timeline and Big Sky daisy chained with midi from the ES-5 but couldn't figure out how to turn the pedals off. This video was PERFECT, thanks for your help!
I know this was an old video. But thank you for this I just picked up an es5 and a timeline planning on a möbius as well, and this helped immensely in getting the midi programmed.
Great video! I’m wondering if you could explain how you wire up the midi from all of the strymons to the ES5? I’m building a board right now that’s very similar to yours. Sorry, I’m very new to MIDI. Thanks!
5 years later are you still using the vertex boost? I loved mine but the 1/8” TRS connect to connect volume pedal continually broke. Frustrating for such a great boost. I had the new smaller one.
Is it possible to auto shift a whammy using JUST a Boss ES-5, like Muse's Map of The Problematique, or not? Trying to get my head around all this, and whether if you program multiple patch midi functions on the same pedals for the same pedal / preset... it would cycle through them. I don't think Map of The Problematique would be possible without a computer, but I'm trying something that just needs 4 bars of auto pitch shifting... is it even possible to use the ES5 to control a digitech whammy like that? Thanks for the great content!
Thanks! How do you control the tempo? Can I use ES-5 to the tap tempo? Or Put timeline as the 1st MIDI IN, then strymon, then bigsky (I have the same 3) and tap timeline, so strymon has the same tempo? Thanks.
tbats a good tutorial now I was just wondering did you have any of the strymon connected to the effects loop of your amplier?if so how did you do that?thanks
THe stryman pedals are not connected to the ES5 via audio cables. I am only using the ES5 to send midi messages. The strymon pedals connect directly to the loop of my amp.
Major Midi problems with my ES-5. I have attached the .bel file for my config as well as the an excel sheet that shows the results of patch change/preset change reliability to Boss customer support. I found some advice online that suggest that I should make the last midi pedal in my midi chain Channel 1 and work backwards. This offered improvements only in that the Pedal that used to be #6 and previously did not receive ANY midi commands now receives SOME midi commands. (I thought it was the Joyo Pedal, it turns out it is your pedal) So my 6 Pedal MIDI Chain is as follows: Joyo R-08 Cab Box - Last in chain - Assigned Channel 1 BOSS OD-200 - Fifth in chain --------Assigned Channel 2 BOSS RV-500 - Fourth in chain------ Assigned Channel 3 BOSS EQ-200 - Third in chain -------Assigned Channel 4 BOSS DD-500 - Second in chain-----Assigned Channel 5 Neunaber Neuron - First in chain-----Assigned Channel 6 Patch 1.1.1 is assigned to It's PRESET 1 for all Pedals. Patch 1.1.2 is assigned to It's PRESET 2 for all Pedals. Each time I switch back and forth between these 2 presets I get anywhere from 100% accurate to 50% accurate.
@@itsanthonybest - you nailed it. I have a Neunabor Neuron that when its removed from my 6 Midi Pedal Chain (making it a 5 Midi Pedal Chain) the chain is flawless. As soon as the Neuron is introduced into the chain, its bombs.
#AnthonyBest, How do you have your midi pedals looped in with patch cables for your guitar signal? Are they after the ES-5 or the effect loops? I have an ES-5 and a HX Stomp and trying to figure that part out.
I can’t figure how to hook up my big sky to midi. I have my ES-5 out to my Tonex in. Now, what do I hook up my big sky to? I watched videos but none help! I was told to Tonex out to big sky in. Nothing happens.
At 1:27 you said your strymon pedals are controlled from prestets 3,4 and 5 but later you are going to channel 2 for the timeline and 1 for the mobius. Why is that?
Each of the strymon pedals needs to be on their own midi channels. For me I put Mobius on 1, Timeline on 2, and Bigsky on 3. The reason they need to be on different channels so that changing the preset of the mobius does not also change the preset of another pedal. The presets that I am using is just how i HAPPENED to configure it. The presets numbers themselves are irrelevant.
I am new to MIDI so I have a couple of questions. Excelent video btw. 1- If the ES5 has only one MIDI controller/connector, how do you achieve controlling several pedals at once? 2- Based on my previous question, I assume you connect the 3 Strymon pedals in chain via MIDI and then connect them as one to the MIDI connector of the ES5. If that’s the case, can I connect as a chain another pedal that is not Strymon? Let’s say a LINE 6 M5? Thanks in advance
In this case I am using a 3 way midis splitter cable. This cable was custom made for me. You can however use midi thru to chain the strymon pedals together. This however can cause issues and is not as reliable.
This board uses a 3 way midi splitter cable. You can use the midi thru connections to chain the pedals together as well. However when you are chaining pedals together of different brands at times there can be midi “confusion” and it is less reliable.
So the strymons are connected via midi and are not in the ES-5. They come after. So what are the patch cables connected to in the back of the strymon pedals? You can just control them with midi right.
Correct The OUT of the ES5 goes to the IN of the Mobius, and then patched between the timeline and big sky. The OUT of the Big Sky then goes into the return on my volume pedal and out to the amp. The strymons run "post" of the ES5. They are controlled by midi. But the Audio must still be routed.
I have the ES-8, unfortunately its not working. Am trying to send PC command to change reverb machine on the BigSky, and set CTL1 CC# 102 Val 127, yet nothing happens. I am sure your instructions are correct. Not sure how to troubleshoot if the problem is the Strymons or the ES-8
Got it working, all good now. I had been using a Roland UM one and the ES-8 editor. When i took that off and reconnected the Strymon, i accidentally had it plugged into the ES-8 midi IN instead of midi OUT. So of course it wasn't going to work. Your video is spot on, thank you very much
@Eric Scott yeah they have, but having the controller so the signal will be mono send to mobius and stereo send to timeline and stereo send to bigsky and stereo send to 2 amps?? How am i gonna stereo return in to Es 5? I'm not quite sure and i'm confused Sorry 😅
I'm new to midi, so forgive me for such a basic question: why isn't possible to just use the through midi feature of the strymons instead of doing the 3-split midi cable?
Hello, I have some question either, so we can control the strymon from midi out port from strymon connecting to mid in port in one of strymon pedal, and for controlling more than 1 strymon pedal, by simply connecting midi out from one of strymon pedal to another strymon pedal, without using midi splitter device, is it correct or not? Please help to advise. Thank you.
@@itsanthonybest how about calling preset for timeline delay and bigsky that I already saved in strymon pedal bank? How to calling and save it using boss es 5? For example I just save a preset in bank 02 in timeline delay, and I also want to call preset bank no 05 in bigsky in the same time, so could you help me to advise me?
So are you using[and can you/anybody] use 5 regular pedals into your 5 slots AND still use additional midi pedals on this ES-5? Or do the Strymon pedals you are using have to be in a patch? I have 2 Boss 500 pedals that stay on and I want to program to change settings through songs. AND I want to use the 5 patches to turn on and off regular analog pedals.
Correct i have 5 analog pedals in the 5 different loops. The strymon pedals sit AFTER the boss es5. The midi out is split 3 ways and controls the strymons via midi
@@itsanthonybest awesome. So In a way, you’re controlling 8 pedals in total with the es-5? and you can set them all to patches/presets per songs? Thanks man
The ES5 has loops which can switch pedals on and off. There are boxes by RJM that can assist with adding midi control to amps or pedals without midi options.
I have 5 pedals running through the ES5.. each pedal has its own loop. The Strymon pedals are NOT connected to the ES5, they run in the signal chain AFTER the ES5. Midi does not tranmit any audio, it is only being used to change presets or turn these pedals on or off using CC commands.
Are you running a mono or stereo rig? I'm on the fence because I'm running in stereo but the ES-5 doesn't have stereo ins/outs. Not trying to spend the extra $300 for the ES-8.
@@itsanthonybest I see. I'm actually trying to use channel switching on my amp in tandem with the fx loop to generate different tones. For instance, a heavy rhythm tone that would involve a boost pedal into the front of my amp, then send from the fx loop of amp to an EQ and noise gate pedal, and then be able to switch to a completely different lead tone using pedals in front of the amps clean channel into stereo delay and reverb. So basically, since I'm using my amp's fx loop and changing channels, I pretty much need a stereo capable looper/switcher??? Thanks for your reply, btw.
@@itsanthonybest Yep, fx loop is switchable. Hmmm so maybe run just the EQ and gate in the loop and run all my other fx in front? Wouldn't have the option to use fx on my amp's dirty channel if I ran it like that but still might work.
My apologies for the long delay in response. I have a 3 way midi splitter cable that uses the one midi out from the ES5. You can either use a midi splitter cable / box or you can daisy chain midi pedals together using the midi out of one pedal into the midi in from another. This however can be problematic at times if the signals are not passed correctly
I don't understand why ya'll are turning your Strymon's on and off with the CC command when you're programming your ES-8 patches. I see this on a lot of these videos for the ES-8 and it doesn't make sense to me. The ES-8 can bring any of the 8 pedals in or out of the chain via the Loop ON/OFF config. That way you're Strymon is on fulltime, and when you press a button and flip to a different channel, nothing has to power back up. Unless there's some important reason for turning pedals off?
Personally even on my es8 I don’t use a loop for any midi pedals unless it’s a fancy dirt pedal or something I might want to move to the front of my dirt pedals like a phaser. But my time based pedals are going through my amps effects loop. I have 3 midi pedals and by not putting each one in its own loop I free up 3 loops.
Dude this is perfect. I've seen a lot of people showing their ES controllers and they never really go this in depth with how to program the midi. Thank you so much!
Faster midi infos than the Boss website itself!! Thank you Anthony!!
GREAT video... simple, nicely explained and EXACTLY what I needed to know. I have the Timeline and Big Sky daisy chained with midi from the ES-5 but couldn't figure out how to turn the pedals off. This video was PERFECT, thanks for your help!
I know this was an old video. But thank you for this I just picked up an es5 and a timeline planning on a möbius as well, and this helped immensely in getting the midi programmed.
Really glad it helped.
Nice video I’ve been searching for videos and finally someone explains how to turn on/off strymons
Great video! I’m wondering if you could explain how you wire up the midi from all of the strymons to the ES5? I’m building a board right now that’s very similar to yours. Sorry, I’m very new to MIDI.
Thanks!
5 years later are you still using the vertex boost? I loved mine but the 1/8” TRS connect to connect volume pedal continually broke. Frustrating for such a great boost. I had the new smaller one.
Thank you so much !!! Amazingly clear and well explained !
Tx for that. What’s the brand of this double decker pedal board, I search for something like that
Is it possible to auto shift a whammy using JUST a Boss ES-5, like Muse's Map of The Problematique, or not?
Trying to get my head around all this, and whether if you program multiple patch midi functions on the same pedals for the same pedal / preset... it would cycle through them. I don't think Map of The Problematique would be possible without a computer, but I'm trying something that just needs 4 bars of auto pitch shifting... is it even possible to use the ES5 to control a digitech whammy like that?
Thanks for the great content!
Thanks! How do you control the tempo? Can I use ES-5 to the tap tempo? Or Put timeline as the 1st MIDI IN, then strymon, then bigsky (I have the same 3) and tap timeline, so strymon has the same tempo? Thanks.
Hey can you tell me how did you connect your volume pedal to es5, how do I program. I have same mini volume pedal
Hello! Where can I get the 3-way split midi cables? I have the 3 Strymons, like yourself.
This was made for me. I have not seen anywhere where you can purchase a cable like that.
@@itsanthonybest I see. Thanks!
Where are you putting the volume pedal in the chain?
tbats a good tutorial now I was just wondering did you have any of the strymon connected to the effects loop of your amplier?if so how did you do that?thanks
THe stryman pedals are not connected to the ES5 via audio cables. I am only using the ES5 to send midi messages. The strymon pedals connect directly to the loop of my amp.
cool thank you for your reply that cleared some things for me cheers
Major Midi problems with my ES-5. I have attached the .bel file for my config as well as the an excel sheet that shows the results of patch change/preset change reliability to Boss customer support. I found some advice online that suggest that I should make the last midi pedal in my midi chain Channel 1 and work backwards. This offered improvements only in that the Pedal that used to be #6 and previously did not receive ANY midi commands now receives SOME midi commands. (I thought it was the Joyo Pedal, it turns out it is your pedal)
So my 6 Pedal MIDI Chain is as follows:
Joyo R-08 Cab Box - Last in chain - Assigned Channel 1
BOSS OD-200 - Fifth in chain --------Assigned Channel 2
BOSS RV-500 - Fourth in chain------ Assigned Channel 3
BOSS EQ-200 - Third in chain -------Assigned Channel 4
BOSS DD-500 - Second in chain-----Assigned Channel 5
Neunaber Neuron - First in chain-----Assigned Channel 6
Patch 1.1.1 is assigned to It's PRESET 1 for all Pedals.
Patch 1.1.2 is assigned to It's PRESET 2 for all Pedals.
Each time I switch back and forth between these 2 presets I get anywhere from 100% accurate to 50% accurate.
@@itsanthonybest - you nailed it. I have a Neunabor Neuron that when its removed from my 6 Midi Pedal Chain (making it a 5 Midi Pedal Chain) the chain is flawless. As soon as the Neuron is introduced into the chain, its bombs.
@@itsanthonybest - can you share with me where you get your splitter cables? Is there any such thing as a 6 way splitter?
#AnthonyBest, How do you have your midi pedals looped in with patch cables for your guitar signal? Are they after the ES-5 or the effect loops? I have an ES-5 and a HX Stomp and trying to figure that part out.
My midi pedals are AFTER the ES5. The out of the ES5 connects to the IN of the Mobius.
@@itsanthonybest thanks! I ended up running the helix through the effects loop so that works also you just have to select which loop.
I can’t figure how to hook up my big sky to midi. I have my ES-5 out to my Tonex in. Now, what do I hook up my big sky to? I watched videos but none help! I was told to Tonex out to big sky in. Nothing happens.
At 1:27 you said your strymon pedals are controlled from prestets 3,4 and 5 but later you are going to channel 2 for the timeline and 1 for the mobius. Why is that?
Each of the strymon pedals needs to be on their own midi channels. For me I put Mobius on 1, Timeline on 2, and Bigsky on 3. The reason they need to be on different channels so that changing the preset of the mobius does not also change the preset of another pedal.
The presets that I am using is just how i HAPPENED to configure it. The presets numbers themselves are irrelevant.
Great video. What pedal board are you using?
This is a custom board from GOMC and bridge is by FIX pedalboards
I am new to MIDI so I have a couple of questions. Excelent video btw.
1- If the ES5 has only one MIDI controller/connector, how do you achieve controlling several pedals at once?
2- Based on my previous question, I assume you connect the 3 Strymon pedals in chain via MIDI and then connect them as one to the MIDI connector of the ES5. If that’s the case, can I connect as a chain another pedal that is not Strymon? Let’s say a LINE 6 M5?
Thanks in advance
In this case I am using a 3 way midis splitter cable. This cable was custom made for me. You can however use midi thru to chain the strymon pedals together. This however can cause issues and is not as reliable.
Hi if I’m using a chain of midi cables from timeline to bigsky do I need to have the big sky out sending to anything or does the chain end there?
Midi chain ends at the last pedal it does not need to "return" anywhere. Do do need to make sure Midi Thru is enabled on all pedals.
do you know how to bank up and down on the Strymon Pedals using the Boss es-5
so if i want to use switch 5 to bank up and switch 1 to bank down on my strymon pedals how would i do that
I call presets by the preset numbers. From whati can read in the manual there is not specific midi function for bank up or bank down
The cable midi, if it is the second pedal it is connected to the boss or some other pedal is connected, I do not understand that part
This board uses a 3 way midi splitter cable. You can use the midi thru connections to chain the pedals together as well.
However when you are chaining pedals together of different brands at times there can be midi “confusion” and it is less reliable.
Thank you!!!!
What pedal board is this?
So the strymons are connected via midi and are not in the ES-5. They come after. So what are the patch cables connected to in the back of the strymon pedals?
You can just control them with midi right.
Correct The OUT of the ES5 goes to the IN of the Mobius, and then patched between the timeline and big sky. The OUT of the Big Sky then goes into the return on my volume pedal and out to the amp.
The strymons run "post" of the ES5. They are controlled by midi. But the Audio must still be routed.
Anthony Best thank you! I realise that midi doesn’t send SOUND. Just information.
I have the ES-8, unfortunately its not working. Am trying to send PC command to change reverb machine on the BigSky, and set CTL1 CC# 102 Val 127, yet nothing happens. I am sure your instructions are correct. Not sure how to troubleshoot if the problem is the Strymons or the ES-8
@@itsanthonybest yes, both the same... just got home, will try again
Got it working, all good now. I had been using a Roland UM one and the ES-8 editor. When i took that off and reconnected the Strymon, i accidentally had it plugged into the ES-8 midi IN instead of midi OUT.
So of course it wasn't going to work. Your video is spot on, thank you very much
I'm new to midi set up
But es 5 can do stereo set up?
@Eric Scott yeah they have, but having the controller so the signal will be mono send to mobius and stereo send to timeline and stereo send to bigsky and stereo send to 2 amps?? How am i gonna stereo return in to Es 5?
I'm not quite sure and i'm confused
Sorry 😅
I'm new to midi, so forgive me for such a basic question: why isn't possible to just use the through midi feature of the strymons instead of doing the 3-split midi cable?
Hello, I have some question either, so we can control the strymon from midi out port from strymon connecting to mid in port in one of strymon pedal, and for controlling more than 1 strymon pedal, by simply connecting midi out from one of strymon pedal to another strymon pedal, without using midi splitter device, is it correct or not?
Please help to advise.
Thank you.
@@itsanthonybest how about calling preset for timeline delay and bigsky that I already saved in strymon pedal bank? How to calling and save it using boss es 5? For example I just save a preset in bank 02 in timeline delay, and I also want to call preset bank no 05 in bigsky in the same time, so could you help me to advise me?
So are you using[and can you/anybody] use 5 regular pedals into your 5 slots AND still use additional midi pedals on this ES-5? Or do the Strymon pedals you are using have to be in a patch? I have 2 Boss 500 pedals that stay on and I want to program to change settings through songs. AND I want to use the 5 patches to turn on and off regular analog pedals.
Correct i have 5 analog pedals in the 5 different loops. The strymon pedals sit AFTER the boss es5. The midi out is split 3 ways and controls the strymons via midi
@@itsanthonybest awesome. So In a way, you’re controlling 8 pedals in total with the es-5? and you can set them all to patches/presets per songs? Thanks man
@@21asantacruz exactly
if i have a pedal that dont have midi in and out i cant do it? and also if my amp dosent have midi i cant do it also right?
The ES5 has loops which can switch pedals on and off. There are boxes by RJM that can assist with adding midi control to amps or pedals without midi options.
How many pedals are running through the ES-5? Does audio run through the midi?
I have 5 pedals running through the ES5.. each pedal has its own loop. The Strymon pedals are NOT connected to the ES5, they run in the signal chain AFTER the ES5. Midi does not tranmit any audio, it is only being used to change presets or turn these pedals on or off using CC commands.
Anthony Best, so, I guess I could run them through the FX loop through my amp?
@@claytonjenkins5292 Yes, that would be ideal depending on where you like to run them.
Can you use a time factor?
Are you running a mono or stereo rig? I'm on the fence because I'm running in stereo but the ES-5 doesn't have stereo ins/outs. Not trying to spend the extra $300 for the ES-8.
@@itsanthonybest I see. I'm actually trying to use channel switching on my amp in tandem with the fx loop to generate different tones. For instance, a heavy rhythm tone that would involve a boost pedal into the front of my amp, then send from the fx loop of amp to an EQ and noise gate pedal, and then be able to switch to a completely different lead tone using pedals in front of the amps clean channel into stereo delay and reverb. So basically, since I'm using my amp's fx loop and changing channels, I pretty much need a stereo capable looper/switcher??? Thanks for your reply, btw.
@@itsanthonybest Yep, fx loop is switchable. Hmmm so maybe run just the EQ and gate in the loop and run all my other fx in front? Wouldn't have the option to use fx on my amp's dirty channel if I ran it like that but still might work.
I could always run a wet/dry rig but I've gotten used to running stereo now and need it for certain sounds. Wet/dry does sound really good though.
@@itsanthonybest Still looks like I'd be happier with the ES-8, but not happier with that price difference. Thanks for your replies, kind sir.
How did you assign your strymon pedals to a midi channel?
Do you have them run into loop 3,4, and 5? Or are you controlling them outside of the 5 loops and only thru the midi cables?
Nvm, got it :)
Midi channels on the Pedals are in the global menu on Midi CH option. The strymon pedals are outside / after the Boss ES-5
Got it! Thanks for the response!
does anyone know how I can seuse strymon Nixie through the boss es-5 because right now if the boss is in the midi loop it won't work
I just plug in direct to the pedal.
Anthony Best yeah i’ve ben doing that but it’s such a hassle to remove my dual lock everytime
how do I connect 2 midi pedals to the ES-5? I am new to midi and only saw 1 in on the ES-5.
My apologies for the long delay in response. I have a 3 way midi splitter cable that uses the one midi out from the ES5. You can either use a midi splitter cable / box or you can daisy chain midi pedals together using the midi out of one pedal into the midi in from another. This however can be problematic at times if the signals are not passed correctly
Thanks.
I don't understand why ya'll are turning your Strymon's on and off with the CC command when you're programming your ES-8 patches. I see this on a lot of these videos for the ES-8 and it doesn't make sense to me. The ES-8 can bring any of the 8 pedals in or out of the chain via the Loop ON/OFF config. That way you're Strymon is on fulltime, and when you press a button and flip to a different channel, nothing has to power back up. Unless there's some important reason for turning pedals off?
This is an ES5... i didn't need to use the extra space for the ES8 because i could control the strymons via midi. I used all 5 loops for other pedals.
@@itsanthonybest I see. Thanks.
Personally even on my es8 I don’t use a loop for any midi pedals unless it’s a fancy dirt pedal or something I might want to move to the front of my dirt pedals like a phaser. But my time based pedals are going through my amps effects loop. I have 3 midi pedals and by not putting each one in its own loop I free up 3 loops.
Rhett Sull wibes from the pedalboard