@@Lifeinlivingcolors He photographed Ukrainian positions, such as where air defence were located, and forwarded that to Russian's at the start of invasion If I recall correctly. He was then exiled out of the country. Aaaand then he went back.
"self-sustaining" Yeah, let's keep ignoring the Fed's monetary policies, loans, government bailouts, and the cyclical failure overall of Capitalism, which requires state intevention.
Its basically corporate socialism socialistic societies have failed but so have capitalist societies.also people who blame every death under a supposed socialist regime to socialism well capitalism got a huge death toll also so we can play that game too. All wars imperialism starvation lack.of healthcare deaths is because of capitalism according to the logic of the many against socialism
@Peasham Ah yes, the, “One thing sucks, so it all sucks” argument. If it’s this easy to deconstruct an entire political system/belief, why are you even socialist/communist? Since, you know, countries like China repress freedom of speech and kill hundreds of protestors each year.
the pig probably had more to do with it, that debate was more recent and in that debate he actually revealed that he was in ukraine at the time (during the war)
@@fuckoff4705you people have to be so detached from reality to actually believe that your favorite little UA-camr was responsible for that man’s arrest.
Either neither are real, or both are real. I do agree that the "not real Capitalism" argument's often hypocritical, but if you then say that Russia (for example) wasn't real Communism, then would you not be a hypocrite if you didn't accept the notion that neoliberalism isn't real Capitalism?
Peasham There’s likely a distinction to be made that the USSR and Mao’s China did not really meet the requirements of workers owning the means of production whereas neoliberalism still has private entities controlling production and whatnot. But I don’t typically make that argument because it’s not exactly convincing and to me it doesn’t matter whether or not it’s true. You can have terrible implementations of a sound system. For instance, I would never say that the dictatorships that were, and are, in ostensibly capitalist countries is evidence of capitalism’s failings because capitalism does not require those things to occur. You can have implementations in which it’s at least better than that. Similarly with places like the USSR and China it is incorrect to attribute the terrible things that those states did to socialism as a whole because socialism does not require authoritarian regimes.
@@Peasham Dude, the fact that you say 'if you then say that Russia (for example) wasn't real Communism, then would you not be a hypocrite if you didn't accept the notion that neoliberalism isn't real Capitalism' shows that you don't even know definition of communism. Soviet Union claimed to be 'socialist' country, they never claimed to be communist state, they claimed to be state of communists who have creation of communism as end goal of development.
Him saying Allende's presidency was a regime is laughable. Also using it as a failure of socialism is kinda stupid since it was constantly sabotaged by different corportations, and it only lasted 3 years, that's not enough time to make a socialist country.
@Adam Alexander Ah yes, concern trolling. "It's an honest question guys! I'm just trying to ask if Vaush is a pedophile guys. Why aren't you believing me when I'm asking if Vaush has had sex with kids?"
@Adam Alexander To be fair, you might not. You might be some really, really brain dead troll. But in my experience, people who resort to the 'just asking questions' when it comes to pedophilia ALWAYS turn out to be opponents who are attempting some good ol' character assassination
@Sigma Male I'm not taunting you because you're a Vaush fan, I'm taunting you because you type comments like an idiot. Say something funny. Don't talk like you're titling a Russian soap opera episode, lady.
I don't think he realizes how transparent that question makes him. Anyone arguing in good faith would never ask that question even if it was true (which it obviously was not). But particularly if it was true. And the way he asked it randomly and kept repeating it, it's like he made a list of things to do in the debate to win cool points. It really does seem like he was treating the "debate" as if he were trying to hit on a girl. It's sad to see this lack of maturity and honesty from a 52 year old.
@@delos2279 agree but it also seems problematic to me that people think it's ok to "hit on" people this way or maybe it's just recognizing the tactics although still seems like it's normalized
Projection, deflection, and ad hominem. He doesn't realize how transparent that made him. No one arguing in good faith would throw out that line, particularly if they thought it was true but not even as a joke. It comes off more like a lame pick up line he throws at insecure high school girls.
@Humphrey Hogan Of course he is a wimp, most right-wingers are. They are mentally unstable and have to modify the definitions of what it means to be "a strong man" so that it fits themselves instead of doing something about their shortcomings. That guy showed it right from the start how insecure he is about himself.
This guy was 100% bad faith. I ain’t mad though cuz he was hilariously shit at it. 😄 Red pill: define capitalism Vaush: *gives honest and well put together definition outlining the general ideas of capitalism* Later Vaush: define socialism for me Red pill: umm...it’s like...miss-pricing
Vaush missed an opportunity there. He does define socialism and he also claims that China was socialist. Vaush could have put those two together and let red pill coochie prove himself wrong and exposus the bogus.
“Hasn’t capitalism generally been able to keep itself going and stable in the world?” No. Quantitative easing is socialism for the rich. If you need the state to act on behalf of private interests, then you’ve failed at capitalism. Also - just... just wow.
Capitalism still keeps going. Unless you mean capitalism without governmental interference. Did private property disappear after the money machine went br br br? Plus, wouldn't you want the same governmental interference in any crisis but just aimed at a larger economic group? I think that's a more digestible view to the moderates.
Perplexing Pantheon: I was being sarky, really. But asking the state to keep your boat afloat smacks of hypocrisy to me, if you’re going to talk about how socialism is inherently weaker than capitalism. “The state shouldn’t get involved, we don’t like the state running our lives”... right up until the point you do, sort of thing.
Jafet Guzman: I don’t disagree. I’m talking about the hypocrisy and purity-testing levelled at socialist ideas by people ignoring those same mechanisms when they are deployed to prop up their own failed models. As I say - state intervention bad, unless it’s bailing out the stock markets and banks - then it’s ok. Either the double standard needs to be dropped as the tired pseudo-idea that it is, or these people need to acknowledge that they come across as zealots who are arguing for capitalism based on highly selective reasoning. State action is inevitable in a crisis, as you say, but to condemn it as “ideologically bad and socialist” up until they need it because they gambled all the money away on sub-prime loans (for example) is rank. I was trying to make a point about dogma, really.
The history textbook in my class called Karl Marx "the founder of communism" and I just found this so insanely untrue that I had to share this, even if it is irrelevant to this video. "Founder of communism" when the idea of communism existed for literally thousands of years before he was born...founder of Marxism (a fairly broad school of socialist thought and theory) would be the correct way of saying it, but of course, in America, nuance doesn't exist with anything outside the neoliberalism we are shoved to believe in. Why acknowledge the massive amount of variation in a very broad and general idea like "communism" when you can just produce more unquestioning wage slaves, abandoning the interests of themselves and the majority for the tiny percentage of the population who hold all the power without working for it?
@K Rr My apologies, but I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, if you could maybe clarify that would help? But either way, I believe you are putting words in my mouth, I was literally just bringing up an error in what is supposed to be a historically accurate textbook used as official curriculum in public schools in the State of Arizona ( or at least my county/district), where I live, specifically a false assertion that Karl Marx founded an entire, very broad ideology that had actually been started far earlier than Karl Marx's lifetime. I never even brought up China and Russia, if you want to talk about that, don't reply to a comment that is completely unrelated. You are responding to Vaush, by the sounds of it, not me, so don't reply to me, if you don't mind. I don't remember ever defining communism, in my own terms or not. The closest I came was the very true statement that it is a very broad ideology, which your comment already confirms that it must have a broad definition if there is any major debate over whether or not certain countries are communist or not.
I find it hard to believe this guy has a philosophy degree. Anyone even mildly familiar with it knows that you regularly tangle with arguments 10x more confusing than anything Vaush said. I understood every point Vaush made in this video and it wasn't particularly difficult. I'm tired of all these right wing nutjobs claiming philosophy, it's super annoying and embarassing.
And he just went apeshit as soon as he realized he can't project his "when gubermen does the bad" idea of socialism on Vaush. How did he get through a philosophy degree being this shit at talking about ideas.
The only people to criticize hierarchy are the ones who can't compete in it. Hierarchies of competence will always exist, even if you try to quell them
If I had a nickel for every time, someone that Vaush debated ended up going to prison, I'd have two nickels but it's weird it happened twice. Edit: It's up to 3 now. The german guy that denied climate change is going to jail for planning a coup.
@@classiccal5741 One of the proud boys after Jan 6. The guy was trying to do pr for the organization saying that none of the group entered the capital during the insurrection and that they were actually way more chill than the media makes them out to be. That very same guy got arrested a few weeks later for breaching the capital.
"How come capitalist societies seem so sturdy?" he says, whilst the world's biggest capitalist country nosedives into oblivion because people have to work from home for a few weeks.
So sturdy a virus throws a wrench right into it. A virus! A natural aspect of reality. If that doesn't show how fragile of a system this is, I don't know what will.
i'm stunned that this man is over 50. not just because of his youthful voice, but because of the sheer improbability of not being killed due to being so absurdly smug and insufferable
@@emporioalnino4670he is russian supporter and does every moronic internet shit (attempt at doxxing, bot usage). The man is a cockroach, literally scum
To be fair, he tried to say something along the lines of "you are saying things that are objectively true are not true" but stumbled on the important part. But to be balanced - "you are saying things that are objectively true" was the only true statement he made in this discussion - so i dont wanna take that from him.
CRP: "communism doesnt work!!" vaush: "really what about my policies dont work" CRP: "well.. i duno... i dont know you" vaush: *continues to demolish crp on next point* CRP: ive lost, time to project!!!!
@@griggerykimothy4865 well the usual foreplay was like 10 minutes this time around, and the dude busted his load (which was disappointing) and Vaush was like, "Ew" and dipped like any sane person would.
@Justinian the Great Do you know how to speak English? Also Japan has one of the biggest non-governing communist party, and is not a fascist state. So you're wrong on both parts.
@Justinian the Great Im aware of the event, is that supposed to mean something? One guy gets assassinated by another? You realize you've refuted neither of my points right? Also, I thought in America right wingers get "assaulted for disagreeing"? That doesn't happen, obviously, but it goes against your belief system of how political climates work. Fix how your brain works, and develop your ideology properly. This is why I said fascist, not conservative, when I referred to you and why Japan is different from your beliefs. Also, Japan has public, universal healthcare, several public corporations, and the second highest corporate tax rates in the world, huge things you'd cry about communism for. Refute some of my points and the two in the original reply before you start.
Capitalism is "stable" for colonial powers. Capitalism and colonialism have always coexisted. Colonialism is an inherent part of capitalism - it fits perfectly into the "unlimited growth" philosophy. If you recognize this, then capitalism's death toll is incalculable and the "failure" of anti-capitalist or non-capitalist movements is easily explained.
@@Scroteydada Lol yeah. I would love to see Vaush debate Lauren Chen aka roaming Millennial on conservative gender roles, LGBTQ+ rights, and institutional racism.
@@SoniaSephia RM has become a hardcore Rubin-tier grifter at this point, no way she's going to agree to a debate and risk losing that sweet Blaze TV funding.
Thx god he couldn't, because the viewer call ins after that discussion were much better meme material than CRP and his middle school level retorts of "I know you are, but what am I" except he can't even wait and just prematurely busts all his ropes.
“On May 1, 2023 Lira was arrested and charged with creating and distributing material that justified the Russian invasion, which is illegal under Ukrainian law.” “After his 2023 arrest, Lira was released on bail and attempted to flee the country. He was subsequently arrested again for violating his bail conditions, dying of pneumonia in custody on January 12, 2024.”
He keeps asking if your nervous, is he like projecting or is it his way of like leading the audience to percieve you as nervous so he seems "calm and rational" by comparison
Neither, he was fishing for a negative reaction he could then use to play victim. That's also why he was being self deprecating and repeating the same questions over and over again. He was trying to annoy Vaush into being rude
Could be. We don't definitely know if he was nervous himself to project it. This could just be a shitty attempt to seem "Alpha" and "gotcha". But, let's admit, right winger fucks almost always sweat when debating people who know what they're talking about.
I say this lovingly-saying “why so nervous” while the other person is obviously not nervous is not neurotypical behavior. Coach Red Pill is clearly an expert in reading social cues.
Why is this guy constantly gaslighting? The weird bombastic laughing, saying Vaush is nervous, having these pompous show-offs in knowledge about stuff that isn't even brought up in the conversation. Really fucking weird and creepy guy.
Red Pill's problem is obvious. These right wing reactionary types used to dropping buzzwords like "socialism, communism, marxism" inside their echo chamber, but they don't actually know the definitions of these concepts, when somebody like Vaush comes along and wants to discussion these concepts, they are completely lost. I used to work in I.T, and these reactionary people remind me of people who pretend to be tech geniuses using word salads of tech jargon, but when I ask them to elaborate on the terms they were using, they would try to change the topic.
@K Z The first half of your comment is a strawman fallacy, as I was not comparing economic ideas to technology, I was comparing pseudo intellectuals in I.T to pseudo intellectuals in politics. The second half of your comment is an Appeal to the Stone fallacy because there are no arguments which logically follows to your assertion.
@K Z Yes... so long as there are logically bankrupt criticisms of that which is written within my comment, I will continue to recognize all of the logical errors I want. Anyways... let's address some things. "Capitalism is the only system can stop the misery and hunger" Then why is there misery and hunger? "of course is not perfect" It's not a matter of perfect vs imperfect, it's a matter of superior vs inferior. " In socialism we only see intellectuals with messiah issues" This is Poisoning The Well. You've two comments in, and have provided 0 arguments.
@K Z Your description of capitalism is even worse than actual capitalism. Your idea that capitalism requires a white ethnostate state with no consumer protection laws sets the bar for capitalism so low, that you're making capitalism sound far worse than I ever could. "the reality is the capitalism countries doing very well" So first you say capitalist countries are all hungry and miserable because of government laws and non-white people, now you're saying they are all doing well. Make up your mind. "you right now talking with me probably with a iphone or samsung" Sorry but... "you live in a capitalist economy, therefore capitalism wins" is not an argument. This is a common fallacy Vaush talked about a while ago. When people have no argument, they use imagined hypocrisy, like... "Climate scientists use air travel, therefore they are lying" or "If Ford is the best, why do you drive a Honda?" Anyways... your phone fallacy doesn't even make sense because capitalism isn't the only economic system that produces goods and services. Do you think C-Mac Industries provides their services for free?
Yes, and thus it seems that they are continously busy and learning about socialism and getting a deep understanding about it. They are actually deluding themselves
This is what happens when you watch one Stephan Molyneux video, and then say to yourself "Wow Stephan is right about the liberals! Wow I know so much about the world now!" and then you try debating someone who ACTUALLY did research.
This is why boomers need to be careful how they engage with people on the internet. "He's been sending his minions to harass me" yeah that's called trolling. And by you bringing it up just now it seem to be working. So many older people on the internet dont understand what a lolcow is and slowly become one without knowing it. It's sad because a lot of the times it quickly turns into a form of elder abuse and stops being funny.
Red pill (despite the name) seemed perfectly respectable for a few minutes there, but when actual arguments started they escalated so quickly and he fell apart immediately lmao
Vaush: *Casually enjoying conversation without a care in the world. CRP: "Hey man why are you a nervous? I can hear it over the mic, you're shaking right now, you're distraught." CRP's projection game was sooooo HARD in this it was kinda sad to watch him ignorantly flail around here.
"I'm certainly not a fascist"...gets arrested for aiding Russia's invasion of Ukraine
TWICE.
@@amazin7006 at this point, he got arrested Thrice.
He has died in prison. How did he aid Russia with invading Ukraine?
@@Lifeinlivingcolors He photographed Ukrainian positions, such as where air defence were located, and forwarded that to Russian's at the start of invasion If I recall correctly. He was then exiled out of the country. Aaaand then he went back.
"self-sustaining"
Yeah, let's keep ignoring the Fed's monetary policies, loans, government bailouts, and the cyclical failure overall of Capitalism, which requires state intevention.
Oh you mean like socialism?? BWHAHAH
Its basically corporate socialism socialistic societies have failed but so have capitalist societies.also people who blame every death under a supposed socialist regime to socialism well capitalism got a huge death toll also so we can play that game too. All wars imperialism starvation lack.of healthcare deaths is because of capitalism according to the logic of the many against socialism
Yeah, let’s, since that doesn’t debunk the current systems that do run functionally.
@@davidpaul6290 Ah yes, the functional system of putting bodies in freezers because the morgues are too full.
American Capitalism't real functional.
@Peasham Ah yes, the, “One thing sucks, so it all sucks” argument. If it’s this easy to deconstruct an entire political system/belief, why are you even socialist/communist? Since, you know, countries like China repress freedom of speech and kill hundreds of protestors each year.
Vaush debate skills finally sent someone into the gulag.
Do you think the Ukrainian police had to watch this debate to gather evidence? Truly a vaushite country
the pig probably had more to do with it, that debate was more recent and in that debate he actually revealed that he was in ukraine at the time (during the war)
I think lazer pig did that
@@fuckoff4705you people have to be so detached from reality to actually believe that your favorite little UA-camr was responsible for that man’s arrest.
@@fuckoff4705 I think he was saying that before that point and was actually kicked out of ukraine at that point.
“Neoliberalism isn’t real capitalism”
*later*
“You can’t say that the Soviet Union isn’t socialist, that’s dishonest”
Exactly. So much for "real" capitalism being sustainable.
Either neither are real, or both are real. I do agree that the "not real Capitalism" argument's often hypocritical, but if you then say that Russia (for example) wasn't real Communism, then would you not be a hypocrite if you didn't accept the notion that neoliberalism isn't real Capitalism?
Peasham There’s likely a distinction to be made that the USSR and Mao’s China did not really meet the requirements of workers owning the means of production whereas neoliberalism still has private entities controlling production and whatnot. But I don’t typically make that argument because it’s not exactly convincing and to me it doesn’t matter whether or not it’s true. You can have terrible implementations of a sound system. For instance, I would never say that the dictatorships that were, and are, in ostensibly capitalist countries is evidence of capitalism’s failings because capitalism does not require those things to occur. You can have implementations in which it’s at least better than that. Similarly with places like the USSR and China it is incorrect to attribute the terrible things that those states did to socialism as a whole because socialism does not require authoritarian regimes.
@@Afk22996 Okay, that's fine. I just see a lot of people hypocritical on both fronts. Glad we're on the same page.
@@Peasham Dude, the fact that you say 'if you then say that Russia (for example) wasn't real Communism, then would you not be a hypocrite if you didn't accept the notion that neoliberalism isn't real Capitalism' shows that you don't even know definition of communism. Soviet Union claimed to be 'socialist' country, they never claimed to be communist state, they claimed to be state of communists who have creation of communism as end goal of development.
An unironic Pinochet apologist... he’s detestable.
I review this “debate” in my video lol
ua-cam.com/video/eTU9pp4KSdw/v-deo.html
Welp time to take the golden rule to him and get the choppers reved up
'helicopter go brrrrrr'
Him saying Allende's presidency was a regime is laughable. Also using it as a failure of socialism is kinda stupid since it was constantly sabotaged by different corportations, and it only lasted 3 years, that's not enough time to make a socialist country.
Allende was amazing and most Chileans agree on this. CRP has no argument.
Vaush: *makes an argument*
Coach red pill: aRe yOU nErvOUs??
*Proceeds to never respond to vaush’s argument*
Peter Maniaci
> “Are you nervous?”
>Sounds v nervous
@Adam Alexander it obviously doesn't include toddlers
@Adam Alexander Sure. That's a totally 'honest question'
Get outta here troll
@Adam Alexander Ah yes, concern trolling.
"It's an honest question guys! I'm just trying to ask if Vaush is a pedophile guys. Why aren't you believing me when I'm asking if Vaush has had sex with kids?"
@Adam Alexander To be fair, you might not. You might be some really, really brain dead troll.
But in my experience, people who resort to the 'just asking questions' when it comes to pedophilia ALWAYS turn out to be opponents who are attempting some good ol' character assassination
Destiny was nervous in this debate
why why why why why you're getting nervous man!!!
@Rafee Kazi Cool story. Thanks for supporting the channel troll.
@Sigma Male The other guy in the video just said 'I've got nothing better to do.'
You idiot.
@Sigma Male Hahaha... *sniffles*
@Sigma Male I'm not taunting you because you're a Vaush fan, I'm taunting you because you type comments like an idiot.
Say something funny. Don't talk like you're titling a Russian soap opera episode, lady.
He literally "but Venezuela" and hung up
It’s weird how he keeps asking if Vaush is nervous. Makes me think he’s used to asking the high schoolers he hits on if they’re nervous.
He might be 52, but he has a brain capacity of a 7 year old child
This was the joke I was looking for, from a debate like this thx comrade
@@GraveReaperCushions imagine bragging about hooking up with people who are almost 3x younger than you, and you're not even in your 60s
I don't think he realizes how transparent that question makes him. Anyone arguing in good faith would never ask that question even if it was true (which it obviously was not). But particularly if it was true. And the way he asked it randomly and kept repeating it, it's like he made a list of things to do in the debate to win cool points. It really does seem like he was treating the "debate" as if he were trying to hit on a girl. It's sad to see this lack of maturity and honesty from a 52 year old.
@@delos2279 agree but it also seems problematic to me that people think it's ok to "hit on" people this way or maybe it's just recognizing the tactics although still seems like it's normalized
“Why are you so nervous?” Classic case of projection.
Projection, deflection, and ad hominem. He doesn't realize how transparent that made him. No one arguing in good faith would throw out that line, particularly if they thought it was true but not even as a joke. It comes off more like a lame pick up line he throws at insecure high school girls.
Delos Lol, so true 😂
@Humphrey Hogan Of course he is a wimp, most right-wingers are. They are mentally unstable and have to modify the definitions of what it means to be "a strong man" so that it fits themselves instead of doing something about their shortcomings. That guy showed it right from the start how insecure he is about himself.
Vain attempt at leverage. He probably does it with others.
That's a standard pua/nlp thing to get the other person to qualify to you.
This red coach guy has a weird fake laugh like Tommy Wiseau in The Room.
JDPoZ it’s literally the DSP laugh lmaoo
It’s a straight-up oujo laugh, but he’s not even British like Sargon, so it sounds even dumber.
Haha what a story Mark!
@@Hyperion5566 I thought of the same thing when he debated Destiny
hem must have learned it from sargon back in the day
One of these two people got arrested for being a traitor, and it isn't Vaush.
This guy was 100% bad faith. I ain’t mad though cuz he was hilariously shit at it. 😄
Red pill: define capitalism
Vaush: *gives honest and well put together definition outlining the general ideas of capitalism*
Later
Vaush: define socialism for me
Red pill: umm...it’s like...miss-pricing
The miss-pricing spiel was priceless. This guy couldn't find his way out of a paper bag.
Vaush missed an opportunity there. He does define socialism and he also claims that China was socialist. Vaush could have put those two together and let red pill coochie prove himself wrong and exposus the bogus.
Remember he also didn't define simp
@@emperortgp2424 *he DId tHo... HE saID wHEn U lOOk iN ThE miRroR*
@@Nyanx4 To be fair Vaush did not look in the mirror. All Coochie coo did was offer a different form of communication. So much for the tolerant left.
“Hasn’t capitalism generally been able to keep itself going and stable in the world?”
No. Quantitative easing is socialism for the rich. If you need the state to act on behalf of private interests, then you’ve failed at capitalism.
Also - just... just wow.
I've seen the term socialism for the rich used now again, but I've never seen it used to describe QE.
Capitalism still keeps going. Unless you mean capitalism without governmental interference. Did private property disappear after the money machine went br br br? Plus, wouldn't you want the same governmental interference in any crisis but just aimed at a larger economic group? I think that's a more digestible view to the moderates.
Perplexing Pantheon: I was being sarky, really. But asking the state to keep your boat afloat smacks of hypocrisy to me, if you’re going to talk about how socialism is inherently weaker than capitalism.
“The state shouldn’t get involved, we don’t like the state running our lives”... right up until the point you do, sort of thing.
Jafet Guzman: I don’t disagree. I’m talking about the hypocrisy and purity-testing levelled at socialist ideas by people ignoring those same mechanisms when they are deployed to prop up their own failed models. As I say - state intervention bad, unless it’s bailing out the stock markets and banks - then it’s ok.
Either the double standard needs to be dropped as the tired pseudo-idea that it is, or these people need to acknowledge that they come across as zealots who are arguing for capitalism based on highly selective reasoning. State action is inevitable in a crisis, as you say, but to condemn it as “ideologically bad and socialist” up until they need it because they gambled all the money away on sub-prime loans (for example) is rank.
I was trying to make a point about dogma, really.
@@steveharrison76 I agree. Plus, it might be good for us if we can get "socialism" to be associated with "help" to the more mainstream liberals.
/Fake laughter
"AHhahahHHahaHHAhAhHAHHAHHAhAhhhAh"
"WhY ArE YoU So nErVOuS?!"
> When you can't refute, just project and concern troll.
"Socialism means mispricing." The "coach" lost the debate right there.
The history textbook in my class called Karl Marx "the founder of communism" and I just found this so insanely untrue that I had to share this, even if it is irrelevant to this video. "Founder of communism" when the idea of communism existed for literally thousands of years before he was born...founder of Marxism (a fairly broad school of socialist thought and theory) would be the correct way of saying it, but of course, in America, nuance doesn't exist with anything outside the neoliberalism we are shoved to believe in. Why acknowledge the massive amount of variation in a very broad and general idea like "communism" when you can just produce more unquestioning wage slaves, abandoning the interests of themselves and the majority for the tiny percentage of the population who hold all the power without working for it?
@K Rr My apologies, but I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, if you could maybe clarify that would help? But either way, I believe you are putting words in my mouth, I was literally just bringing up an error in what is supposed to be a historically accurate textbook used as official curriculum in public schools in the State of Arizona ( or at least my county/district), where I live, specifically a false assertion that Karl Marx founded an entire, very broad ideology that had actually been started far earlier than Karl Marx's lifetime. I never even brought up China and Russia, if you want to talk about that, don't reply to a comment that is completely unrelated. You are responding to Vaush, by the sounds of it, not me, so don't reply to me, if you don't mind. I don't remember ever defining communism, in my own terms or not. The closest I came was the very true statement that it is a very broad ideology, which your comment already confirms that it must have a broad definition if there is any major debate over whether or not certain countries are communist or not.
No, Marx IS the founder of communism. All of those other ideas and systems devised is utopian socialism. Communism is a completely different method.
I find it hard to believe this guy has a philosophy degree. Anyone even mildly familiar with it knows that you regularly tangle with arguments 10x more confusing than anything Vaush said.
I understood every point Vaush made in this video and it wasn't particularly difficult. I'm tired of all these right wing nutjobs claiming philosophy, it's super annoying and embarassing.
Getting a degree nowadays isn't a measure of intelligence
Well, it was awhile ago. He is 52 after all 😄
@Kenpatchi Ramasama I find this the most likely explanation.
And he just went apeshit as soon as he realized he can't project his "when gubermen does the bad" idea of socialism on Vaush. How did he get through a philosophy degree being this shit at talking about ideas.
Rem has a philosophy degree... i rest my case
CRP: “Why do you wanna minimize hierarchy?”
Vaush: “cuz hierarchy is cringe my dude.” 😂😂😂😂
Are you laughing because what he said was an extremely retarded and weak response?
Look at these three critters above me hahaha so mad
The only people to criticize hierarchy are the ones who can't compete in it. Hierarchies of competence will always exist, even if you try to quell them
Gotta love these brainlets in this thread.
@@calmdown5559 my God these fascists are triggered
Crp: "I dislike Destiny, he's nhilistic because he only cares about winning arguments"
"Why do you argue"
Crp: "i got nothing better to do"
He is in Amsterdam and touting the American pandemic response good God I wish they would just throw him out of the plane on the way back
Maybe he can get the Rona, he is old enough to have a complication of the lungs.
lemon93 i live there too, If i see him, ill cough in his face
@BigMack I don't get that joke.
@BigMack People on the right were making the exact same joke/threat when the pandemic started.
Here because he's in jail now 🦀 🦀 🦀 🦀
Gonzo L is in Kharkiv jail now.
Nope. He's in Kharkiv morgue now.
If I had a nickel for every time, someone that Vaush debated ended up going to prison, I'd have two nickels but it's weird it happened twice.
Edit: It's up to 3 now. The german guy that denied climate change is going to jail for planning a coup.
I expect it to happen again
Who was the other one? I gotta know
@@classiccal5741 One of the proud boys after Jan 6. The guy was trying to do pr for the organization saying that none of the group entered the capital during the insurrection and that they were actually way more chill than the media makes them out to be. That very same guy got arrested a few weeks later for breaching the capital.
@@steve94183 Did he ever debate that Amos yee guy? I remember that guy was arrested around the time he was debating everyone
@@amazin7006 No.
Lol he’s 52 has a big following and can’t make an argument or define his talking point against a 26 year old 27:30
Imagine getting blown out in a debate by someone half your age.
That clip should be attached to CRP's conservapedia page, if he has the clout to have one.
I review this “debate” in my video lol
ua-cam.com/video/eTU9pp4KSdw/v-deo.html
Jasper yep. Ouch.
Maybe his age is getting to him.
Welcome to Ukraine!
Слава Україні!
"How come capitalist societies seem so sturdy?" he says, whilst the world's biggest capitalist country nosedives into oblivion because people have to work from home for a few weeks.
That's the thing. All people know is capitalism meaning they just think this suffering is normal.
So sturdy a virus throws a wrench right into it. A virus! A natural aspect of reality. If that doesn't show how fragile of a system this is, I don't know what will.
“Oh but neoliberalism isn’t REAL capitalism”. He says while everything a capitalist could ever want is in neoliberalism.
Capitalism on its worst day is socialism on a normal day.
@@Deranfan Hey dipshit, why is Vietnam handling this infinitely better than capitalist countries then?
AND NOW HES IN PRISON LMAO
And now he's in a grave. lol
Well now he is in jail lol
*the ground
CRP ran away like a person on Maury when they found out that their ex was not the father.
Vaush is CRP's father
To be fair, he tends to run when he is the father.
i'm stunned that this man is over 50. not just because of his youthful voice, but because of the sheer improbability of not being killed due to being so absurdly smug and insufferable
This comment either aged well or poorly.
Aged real well.
@@brandonellis8111 wait did he die??
@@emporioalnino4670he is russian supporter and does every moronic internet shit (attempt at doxxing, bot usage). The man is a cockroach, literally scum
Update: this dude has been arrested
UPDATED UPDATE: HE DEAD
Even though he wasn't here, Destiny somehow got nervous in this debate.
Gotta love how Coach couldn’t go 30 minutes without acting like a despicable lunatic.
Well yeah, that’s who he is.
I wonder if he's nervous in prison
-"debate" in title
-video under 30 minutes
Yeah I know exactly how this is gonna go
"Debate"
April fools!!! Good one Vaush.
Big Red alternative title for the video “CRP beats me in a debate with facts and logic.” 😂
HAAA this comment got a good chuckle out of me, nice
"You're saying things that are objectively true."
There's a slip if I've ever heard one
He said it twice as well.
To be fair, he tried to say something along the lines of "you are saying things that are objectively true are not true" but stumbled on the important part. But to be balanced - "you are saying things that are objectively true" was the only true statement he made in this discussion - so i dont wanna take that from him.
A Freudian slip.
CRP: "communism doesnt work!!"
vaush: "really what about my policies dont work"
CRP: "well.. i duno... i dont know you"
vaush: *continues to demolish crp on next point*
CRP: ive lost, time to project!!!!
You know they're insane if their name has "Red Pill" in it
*Coach* Red Pill at that. So someone very invested in it
Unoriginal is how I would describe them.
@e No thats red-pilled there's a difference. Red pill is about sexual strategy and if someone is red-pilled that means they're a fascisct most likely
Crank magnetism.
He has virgin written all over his voice
He's dead now
"Why are you nervous VAWSH" *Crp while profusely sweating at the other end of the mic*
I review this “debate” in my video lol
ua-cam.com/video/eTU9pp4KSdw/v-deo.html
This felt way shorter than 30 minutes
@@griggerykimothy4865 well the usual foreplay was like 10 minutes this time around, and the dude busted his load (which was disappointing) and Vaush was like, "Ew" and dipped like any sane person would.
@@stonetemplepilot420 🤣🤣🤣
If this debate was a plot diagram it would look like a plateau.
that title edit "he's in jail" took me out ☠️
He’s dead as of today.
@@Lifeinlivingcolors What happened?
@@thepotatoportal69he died of ligma
Jordan Peterson's voice + Stefan Molyneux's voice = Coach Red Pill's voice
Why would you say this? I can't unhear it
Don’t do Jordan Peterson like that
It’s so true
Saying “Why are you so nervous” repeatedly and in place of an argument is the height of intellectual insecurity and self consciousness lol.
Coach fled pill
"I don't understand your question"
"That's okay"
The fact that this guy has a philosophy degree and in the same breath claims that sociology is a bullshit field is laughable.
@Justinian the Great
Do you know how to speak English? Also Japan has one of the biggest non-governing communist party, and is not a fascist state. So you're wrong on both parts.
@Justinian the Great
Im aware of the event, is that supposed to mean something? One guy gets assassinated by another? You realize you've refuted neither of my points right?
Also, I thought in America right wingers get "assaulted for disagreeing"? That doesn't happen, obviously, but it goes against your belief system of how political climates work. Fix how your brain works, and develop your ideology properly. This is why I said fascist, not conservative, when I referred to you and why Japan is different from your beliefs. Also, Japan has public, universal healthcare, several public corporations, and the second highest corporate tax rates in the world, huge things you'd cry about communism for.
Refute some of my points and the two in the original reply before you start.
"YOure so stressed out" looks a little sleepy
Vaush talked to a boomer incel for as long as Full House episodes last in this debate.
You're nervous
THE TITLE💀
Damn good luck in prison coach
Capitalism is "stable" for colonial powers. Capitalism and colonialism have always coexisted. Colonialism is an inherent part of capitalism - it fits perfectly into the "unlimited growth" philosophy. If you recognize this, then capitalism's death toll is incalculable and the "failure" of anti-capitalist or non-capitalist movements is easily explained.
It was mercantilism back then. And decolonization has already happened. The former colonial superpowers are no more. But nice try with your nonsense.
@@Deranfan Are you fucking stupid, so there wasn't any colonization and domineering by imperialist forces since capitalism?
@@Deranfan Does it hurt to be that ignorant?
@@movimentodoscacos learn how to read dumbfuck. I never claimed that
@@InfiniteDeckhand Ask your communist buddies since you seem to be suffering from it
New Title Suggestion Update: Debating Coach Red Pill(he’s dead)
He's like a skinny stoner accidentally stumbling into a heavyweight wrestling match
Dude's arrested now lol
Dude's dead now.
The fact that CRP has fans makes me want to make a conservative YT channel just to grift and make bank from fishtank cleaner pills
Do it king
Well at least he had a happy ending.
I appreciate the title change.
Kind of disappointed I wanted to see Vaush debunk Coaches RedPills Incel/MGTOW worldview on women. I guess till next time!
He couldn't last. Oh well plenty more fish in the sea.
@@Scroteydada Lol yeah. I would love to see Vaush debate Lauren Chen aka roaming Millennial on conservative gender roles, LGBTQ+ rights, and institutional racism.
@@SoniaSephia RM has become a hardcore Rubin-tier grifter at this point, no way she's going to agree to a debate and risk losing that sweet Blaze TV funding.
@@emperortgp2424 very true but I could dream😉 and I stand by my original I can see the title already Vaush Destroys Nationalist Christian Asian Girl!
CRP can't even give us a half hour of content. SAD.
Thats 3 sargons.
@@ChrisTian-cy7eu you sure? I thought it was about six... 🤔
Thx god he couldn't, because the viewer call ins after that discussion were much better meme material than CRP and his middle school level retorts of "I know you are, but what am I" except he can't even wait and just prematurely busts all his ropes.
He's got no stamina cos he's a BETA
@@GraveReaperCushions but the people feel like it is 3 sargons. Leftists always ignore the feelings of the majority.
“On May 1, 2023 Lira was arrested and charged with creating and distributing material that justified the Russian invasion, which is illegal under Ukrainian law.”
“After his 2023 arrest, Lira was released on bail and attempted to flee the country. He was subsequently arrested again for violating his bail conditions, dying of pneumonia in custody on January 12, 2024.”
I bet Coach Ukrainian Prison is the real nervous one now
Ha ha you funny girl
"cOmMuNiSm KiLls" -Pinochet apologist CRP.
"Cause Hierarchy is cringe my dude"
I laughed so hard when he said that
You need to change the subtitle to (he's dead).
And possibly add (good riddance.)
He keeps asking if your nervous, is he like projecting or is it his way of like leading the audience to percieve you as nervous so he seems "calm and rational" by comparison
They don't care about facts so all they can latch on to is the aesthetics of intellectualism. The only problem is he'd already admitted to being dumb.
Neither, he was fishing for a negative reaction he could then use to play victim. That's also why he was being self deprecating and repeating the same questions over and over again. He was trying to annoy Vaush into being rude
Right wingers
Always
Project.
Could be. We don't definitely know if he was nervous himself to project it. This could just be a shitty attempt to seem "Alpha" and "gotcha". But, let's admit, right winger fucks almost always sweat when debating people who know what they're talking about.
I played a chess game with my friend. The loser had to subscribe to coach red pill for a year.
I say this lovingly-saying “why so nervous” while the other person is obviously not nervous is not neurotypical behavior. Coach Red Pill is clearly an expert in reading social cues.
Nice April fool’s joke Vaush
I mean vaush ran a train on him. it's getting really hard to debate a triple digit IQ twitch streamer, am I right coach ?
Why is this guy constantly gaslighting? The weird bombastic laughing, saying Vaush is nervous, having these pompous show-offs in knowledge about stuff that isn't even brought up in the conversation. Really fucking weird and creepy guy.
HES DEAD NOW?!
Yes
How cute, he wants to tell us how stabil he knows a 200 years old form of society is.
Comeback in a thousand years.
Coach Red Pill was just killed by Ukrainian security(he lived in Ukraine).
RIP bozo
Yes
Ukrainian security
The invading force that actually kill civilians
....wait a second...
The way in which he breaks down the moment he gets a compliment really shows how fragile this dude is behind the mask.
Red Pill's problem is obvious. These right wing reactionary types used to dropping buzzwords like "socialism, communism, marxism" inside their echo chamber, but they don't actually know the definitions of these concepts, when somebody like Vaush comes along and wants to discussion these concepts, they are completely lost. I used to work in I.T, and these reactionary people remind me of people who pretend to be tech geniuses using word salads of tech jargon, but when I ask them to elaborate on the terms they were using, they would try to change the topic.
@K Z The first half of your comment is a strawman fallacy, as I was not comparing economic ideas to technology, I was comparing pseudo intellectuals in I.T to pseudo intellectuals in politics. The second half of your comment is an Appeal to the Stone fallacy because there are no arguments which logically follows to your assertion.
@K Z Yes... so long as there are logically bankrupt criticisms of that which is written within my comment, I will continue to recognize all of the logical errors I want. Anyways... let's address some things.
"Capitalism is the only system can stop the misery and hunger"
Then why is there misery and hunger?
"of course is not perfect"
It's not a matter of perfect vs imperfect, it's a matter of superior vs inferior.
" In socialism we only see intellectuals with messiah issues"
This is Poisoning The Well. You've two comments in, and have provided 0 arguments.
@K Z Your description of capitalism is even worse than actual capitalism. Your idea that capitalism requires a white ethnostate state with no consumer protection laws sets the bar for capitalism so low, that you're making capitalism sound far worse than I ever could.
"the reality is the capitalism countries doing very well"
So first you say capitalist countries are all hungry and miserable because of government laws and non-white people, now you're saying they are all doing well. Make up your mind.
"you right now talking with me probably with a iphone or samsung"
Sorry but... "you live in a capitalist economy, therefore capitalism wins" is not an argument. This is a common fallacy Vaush talked about a while ago. When people have no argument, they use imagined hypocrisy, like... "Climate scientists use air travel, therefore they are lying" or "If Ford is the best, why do you drive a Honda?" Anyways... your phone fallacy doesn't even make sense because capitalism isn't the only economic system that produces goods and services. Do you think C-Mac Industries provides their services for free?
@Francis Azari Just one? Nah that's too easy, I'll list 20 successful entities that are collectively owned by it's workers.
1. C-Mac Industries
2. Loomio
3. Nelson Building Society
4. Motion Twin
5. Irizar
6. Mondragon Corporation
7. Agile Collective
8. AK Press
9. UK Alloy
10. Bartleby's, Belper
11. Baxendale (formerly Baxi Partnership)
12. Beet the System Vegan Worker Co-operative, Birmingham
13. Belfast Cleaning Cooperative Limited
14. Bicycle Doctor, Manchester
15. Birmingham Bike Foundry, Birmingham
16. Black Cat Worker Collective, Aberdeen
17. Bonobo Tribe, Aberdeen
18. Lupine Adventure Co-operative
19. News From Nowhere, Liverpool[9]
20. Outlandish
Yes, and thus it seems that they are continously busy and learning about socialism and getting a deep understanding about it. They are actually deluding themselves
Coach Red Pill just acts like he has a cool trick up his sleeve and never does anything
Dude straight up died in jail after trying to help Russia in the invasion of Ukraine.
True + based
THE EDITED TITLE CJJFHDHD
What is it with him insisting how vaush is nervous?
Projection. That's why he lost his marbles and threw a whiny temper-tantrum halfway through. It was his own nervous breakdown.
CRP should be incredibly embarrassed but I don’t think he has the capability to self-reflect enough to feel shame for this showcase of stupidity.
"Is dishonest a dog whistle for you that means BLEW ME THE FUCK OUT?"
BAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy shit that was funny. Thx Vaush
This is what happens when you watch one Stephan Molyneux video, and then say to yourself "Wow Stephan is right about the liberals! Wow I know so much about the world now!" and then you try debating someone who ACTUALLY did research.
And now he’s just completely dead.
Debating Coach Red Pill (he's six feet under)
RIP BOZO
This is why boomers need to be careful how they engage with people on the internet. "He's been sending his minions to harass me" yeah that's called trolling. And by you bringing it up just now it seem to be working. So many older people on the internet dont understand what a lolcow is and slowly become one without knowing it. It's sad because a lot of the times it quickly turns into a form of elder abuse and stops being funny.
"you're a really sad little man" he says, choking up.
cryingwojak.jpeg
Did coach red Pill seriously just confuse barting of goods with the supply and demand curve 🤦♂️
Live debates.
he confused socialism with the idea of misspricing, this guy has absolutely no idea and is way too fragile to look up words he doesn't know
This was fucking precious. Very fun to listen to
Red pill (despite the name) seemed perfectly respectable for a few minutes there, but when actual arguments started they escalated so quickly and he fell apart immediately lmao
Coach Red Pill: True Capitalism was born with David Ricardo
Also Red Pill: Medieval Capitalism...
Great ending to that little shit debate Vaush XD
V: "So you're staying"
C: "We're good little simp man"
V: "What's a simp"
C: *has a seizure*
We need to update the brakets
If you’re sat at home staring into the quarantine existential abyss... just remember things could be worse, you could be Coach Red Pill.
What an unhinged lunatic. This dude has no business "coaching" anyone on anything.
Vaush: *Casually enjoying conversation without a care in the world.
CRP: "Hey man why are you a nervous? I can hear it over the mic, you're shaking right now, you're distraught."
CRP's projection game was sooooo HARD in this it was kinda sad to watch him ignorantly flail around here.
Thanks to CRP I now know that socialism is when no supply and demand. RIP Bozo.
Rip bozo
I wonder if Gonzalo asked the Ukranian police if they were nervous when he was arrested, again
Hearing Coach Red Pill independently discover Destiny's argument shows how far Destiny has fallen.
Lmao
Destiny ascended since the leftie arc. What are you talking about?