The biggest difference is probably that Yugiohs 25th anniversary now has been going on for 3 years. They started celebrating in late 2021 or early 2022 (?), and they are still printing & promoting the "special" Quarter Century Anniversary platinum secret rares that give you a stroke looking at them.
Uncle Frank is 100% right about the Nostalgia Window affecting collectibles (like the Zexal era he mentioned). 10-15 years after an something came out, or was seeing popularity, it can shoot up in price. Those kids who enjoyed it at that time are now adults with disposable income looking for hits of Nostalgia.
@@infernob00m I wouldnt say thats the exact same to what i was reffering to, but yeah. I just remember things like Secret Lairs being a thing people werent even supposed to mention at the table and not even half a year later everybody just started acting like buying every other secret lair was the norm.
@TimothyZielke holy fuck ain't that the truth. The amount of times Ive seen that is insane. If you call it out though the cope you get is on par with a politician. "But its print to order it's not fomo" "I dont like secret lair but I want to support the game" "I dont want to buy X to send a message. But Ill buy something only available bundled with X at my LGS 'cause that's different somehow" Its like an entire generation forgot we're allowed to vote with our wallets and that if we don't like a product we're supposed to stop buying it.
The largest MtG channel just put out a video complaining about Magic's direction (though it ends spinelessly with a plea to keep playing and buying). Spice8Rack, one of MtG's best essayists in my opinion, just put up a video complaining about the failures of Duskmourn's worldbuilding that doubled as a critique of Magic as a whole and also in no uncertain terms as calling Wizard's out on their social media. One of Magic's best documentarians, Rhystic Studies, also called out Wizards on their substack (though walked back the anger afterwards if not the message, which was still disappointing.) I don't keep up with Magic finance, their goals are kind of antithetical to mine, but I can't imagine Rudy's been positive for the past 5 years. It's a shame then that the consoomers are likely watching Game Knights and shit.
Now that I think about it, the 25th anniversary, especially the rarity collections, saved yugioh products. Before RC01, products were worthless and sellers stopped investing in such products (not to mention that the players weren't happy either) but it looks like it's back to normal now.
All of them have HUGE problems. MTG has the worst company. Hasbro doesn't care about actual MTG lore and has decided to pump out endless crossover products. It has gotten to the point where even ridiculous things like Spongebob are fair game. Pokemon has the worst community. Filled with tons of cryptobro-esque influencers and fake fans who are in it as a get rich quick scheme. It often feels like the voices of those people drown out the voices of the actual fans. Yugioh has the worst barrier to entry, both monetarily and in terms of learning the game. Staple cards often cost upwards of $100 each, and the rules have become extremely complex with all the mechanics that have been added over the years.
Id say yu gi oh has All 3, Shit company, Shit community and a horrible barrier to entry due to your main format just being a big hodgepodge of every existing card with Restrictions and Bans.
@@djsk244 Pokemon community is worse. Yugioh community is known for being overly competitive, and also has a fair amount of perverts and thieves. But at least the Yugioh community is real. 90% of the Pokemon community is literally fake and is only in it to make money.
The Big Three all have strong player bases, so I don't see any of them going away any time soon. It would take some serious missteps for their publishers to drive players away from buying new cards. I agree that Magic seems to be the one most likely to mess things up. Seeing how much Pokemon is a way of life over in Japan, I don't see that going away any time soon.
MTG is the OG trading card game and the day it goes down it will take every other TCG with them. I’m not crazy about the game anymore but I do recognize its importance in the culture and the marketplace. It’s in every either TCGs interest that it remains reasonably stable.
Yu-Gi-Oh is actually in a bit of a healing stage and it doesn't really have anything to do with the company. It started with goat and edison but people are starting to play the game in ways that they want to play which relieves a lot of pressure from the advanced format. Which people forget has been the pillar that has supported almost the entirety of it's IP for quite some time. Not to say the competitive format shouldn't be the forefront. But the community is too big to satisfy the sheer diversity of it's members with a single format.
There has been an overall price decrease of 60-70% just in the last few months - looking at the market overall. This is probably the main reason why many stores stop carrying Yugioh, because it has no value left.
Pokemon- loveley art and boring gameplay Magic- great formats, is draftable but sometimes makes you feel like your just being advertised to Yugioh- really complex but incredibly rewarding if you navigate that complexity.
Been playing pokemon Recently and I find that the gameplay is really interesting and it has its complexities not boring at all. But then again that must have been your experience with it
There is nothing rewarding about playing yugioh. It is complex because the company in charge of half of it refuses to make a comprehensive rules list. The overall company as a whole cannot be consistent in rulings. And please don't say the prizing is worth while, you get more out of prizing playing a hyper competitive locals than you do getting first place at any major event these days.
@@scott898586If you actually enjoy playing yugioh there is something really rewarding about learning a deck. Learning all the different combo lines, finetuning your list, gaining an understanding of the cards and how they interact. It's kind of like performing a difficult combo in a fighting game for the first time. And just like in a fighting game the deck you learn strongly influences how complicated the game will be for you.
I would be curious to see your take on “the next 3”. Now those 3 change depending on who you ask. I view them as One Piece, Digimon & Flesh and Blood but I know some people would have Lorcana in there.
Looking at the Pokemon Scarlet/Violet era so far, there really haven't been much for stumbles. I think Shrouded Fable's been the only set that wasn't super well received, but it's still got some solid cards in there. And some sets like the Base set or Obsidian Flames haven't kept up value currently, but from the perspective of a collector who wants to collect to collect rather than invest, it just means it's easier to finish off the set (only 4 S/V and 1 OBF cards left for me to complete my master sets myself!).
the problem with Magic the Gathering is that the game is broken, it was sort of broken from the start but in recent years it has gotten unmanageably broken. It's the only TCG I know of you can "go infinite" basically at any point in the game fairly easily, it has a ton of instant win cards, it's been power creeped into oblivion with no end in sight to the power creep and it will continue to power creep for years till it's so unmanageable that they will have to just kill the game as it is now and start fresh at some point in the future.
Speaking as a player of TTRPGs first and TCGs second, Wizards of the Coast has not and will not get a single cent from me since the OGL debacle a few years back. Magic is being horribly mismanaged, and D&D 5e, now that I've stopped playing it, is genuinely just a terrible product. Play Pathfinder, proxy cards, and don't look back. Also hi, it's me, guy who grew up with Zexal and is entering the workforce. I will unironically debate people that Zexal was really good. Like this is gonna sound like a weird take but having a yugioh protagonist who sucks at yugioh was actually a genius move. It was so incredibly satisfying seeing Yuma's final duel with Astral and seeing how he had genuinely come so far as a duelist. Meanwhile, GX's plot just turned into "the cast stands around and waits for Jaiden to walk up and solve everything by scoring his 400th consecutive win" because the writers decided that this random kid who literally never attends his classes in a school for dueling is just unbeatably good for no explicable reason. Also the plot was interesting and had direction, the animation was incredible, and it was the first anime where they finally stopped normal summoning in face-up defense mode.
I'm playing Lorcana and having a great time.🤷 The big three aren't going anywhere. It's the newer ones you have to watch. Specifically as they near the two-year mark, as often that's when a TCG will die.
I check Hasbro's earnings reports every quarter, we just got a fresh one for q3 a few days ago Magic: The Gathering has had a CAGR of 14% per year for 10 years all the universes beyond whinging takes me back to the chronicles days
Agree on all counts, though I worry over ygo's issues with leaving tcg's holding the bag with bad sets; I remember this being talked about a lot not too long ago, and it had a lot of stores dropping it. But YGO's problems are somewhat unique in that they've been around long enough that sizeable portion of the players just . . . accept it quietly? I think some have become stockholmed by John Konami and Komoney jokes and eat it up and just tell people to shut up with any complaints on tier 0 after tier 0 metagames and high prices. Like MTG had a lot of vocal anger when the powerlevels jumped up around kaladesh and even more so after WAR and then the companions and uro, but that kinda thing just doesn't happen as much with yugioh except with very particular cards like shifter and mystic mine. Even you kinda fall in that camp, and I think I might as well, maybe just cause I liked MTG more and saw it fall more recently while YGO has been largely broken off and on since chaos arguably. Or maybe YGO fans on the internet are just more defensive, idk, I've seen some real brownnosers for MTG (this is schizo conspiracy talk on my part but also has anyone else ever noticed how on magic's subreddit that whenever big controversy arises some poster's gf/wife makes something about the mtg color pie? literally happened just last week). Also, retro ygo formats are gonna be the future I bet, might be YGO's EDH. Truthfully, I've been wondering when magic will hit its inflection point and stop growing. They've been doing game harming things to push profits in the past 5 years or so (SL's with good stuff, ruining commander with made for commander product, ruining modern with made for modern product, diluting their brand image with crossover slop). More and more people get a bad taste in their mouth from these, and the amount of audience capture with arena and the crossovers has got to be hitting an upper limit at some point. I really want to see what happens once things start to dip down: will they pivot in a fan-reaffirming way, or will they knuckle down on profitmaxxing? I'm not sure if MTG is in worse spot than YGO in the grand scheme, but they have biggest things to point out as possible breaking points in the future.
Magic lost track of what it once was, Pokemon kind of can’t fail as drama in that game never filters through to me, and YuGiOh is as YuGiOh does. The game has been changed irreparably by dozens of things, and can never get back over those changes. It can’t go back to a time before tons of hand traps, board breakers, or end boards made of either an OTK you can’t stop or a board full of negates you can’t chew through. Magic is in the worst position overall. Foundations isn’t good, and actually helps the current meta decks, of which many won’t be changing with the rotation. Wizards doesn’t ban anything, and because of that the meta keeps getting as bad as some YuGiOh players say theirs is. Wizards refuses to do anything because weirdos complain that their cards lose value on rotation and on banning, and they listen to them. So the game gets worse. And worse, and worse. Players for anything outside of commander are dwindling, and Standard hasn’t fired at my store for a very long time, in at least a year and a half, and the shitty meta Is why. You either have it, or you go to game 2. The majority of standard play is on Arena, and that sucks. I remember when standard was better. And it all got worse and started going downhill when I started in Kaladesh, and began to nose dive with too much power around Ikoria. The value of standard legal sets shouldn’t matter, the cost of the game continues to be too high and I fell into Universus because magic and its design/price have completely pushed me out of it.
Agreed. I will always draft MTG cube and I am looking forward to Foundations as are my mates for its limited environment. But with the MTG lore failing and Hasbro/Wotc wanting to pull focus towards UB, MTG definitely feels like it could lose its immersion and shift focus to IP fans. That's why I'm looking further afield to other tcg's like One piece and Star Wars Unlimited. On a side note what is your opinion on Flesh and Blood and Sorcery Contested Realm.
mtg die? I doubt it. Mtg gets so devalued and Hasbro bleeds so much money that they end up selling it for another company to run it? Much more likely to be its eventual future - but not anytime soon.
I think you're missing the point on the negatives with Yugioh. Poorly balanced metagames existed but the entire game is at a level of complexity creep that can't sustain itself. I've seen more people show up to learn the game who leave and never come back than I have people who stick around. To me that puts Yugioh on extremely shaky future ground. Past formats are fun as a distraction but it's like playing Tarkir block constructed until the end of time. That can't sustain the game even if it's very engaging. Konami needs to realize the current modern game design is absolutely repulsive to anyone who hasn't been Stockholmed in since before the power creep really escalated ten years ago. They need to make a flagship format that resembles the gameplay people love in formats like Edison and HAT instead of banking for a year or two on people finding those formats for the first time. A depowered standard format would allow them to print core sets that actually have more than one or two cards per set that see play somewhere instead of the oddly bulky gift wrap pack filler that surrounds the $100 secret rare that's the only playable in the set. But Konami will never move. Personally I'm a little annoyed more companies didn't put Konami's feet in the fire over the past few years when they were hurting the most. One Piece kind of did but Shadowverse Evolve (my pet game) needed to take a real swing at Yugioh while it was down like Vanguard did back in the early 2010s. It feels like too many companies are willing to wither away instead of recognizing where consumer sentiment is pointing.
@FranksHobbies Rush being separate from the main game completely invalidates it as a product outside of its target demographic of 10 year old Japanese kids. It's like if Magic's answer to Modern power creep was to make Standard but it's Duel Masters.
1997-8: 5 million players 1999: 6 million players 2000: 7 million players 2001: 5 million players 2002-2006: 6 million players 2007: 7 million players 2008: 6 million players 2011: 10 million players 2012: 12 million players 2013: 16.2 million Players 2014: 21.87 million Players Now it's somewhere around 50 million players. But sure, it's in one of the worst spots it's ever been in. People say Pokemon is the largest IP, but I don't think the data really shows that. Sure, it has lots of wins in various media, but it's not winning in any of the markets it's in. But it is a great IP, with a lot of strength behind it.
Unfortunately, mtg is thriving due to UB..LOTR and Dr who brought in so many players..and Unfortunately with marvel and FF coming next year i feel it will thrive more, i say Unfortunately as i dont really like UB sets, but the issue really lies with a forced rotation with modern horizons sets and the absolute focus on commander
I agree Foundations is a positive sign in an otherwise bleak MtG universe, though I'm not entirely sure why anything that follows would retain anyone who is brought in by Foundations given the whole game is just a mash up of whatever these days. I don't believe there is a single decision-maker within WotC that has even a passing thought of 10 years from now. They're too busy chasing every immediate dollar they think they can get. Hasbro would be wise to make some changes in leadership.
I looked at Foundations spoilers earlier today, and I was actually impressed. It actually seems like a real set. No garbage set mechanics mindlessly tacked on to cards, no dumb theme, etc. It actually seems...nice. One thing that gives me pause about the future of Magic is that I've seen LOTS of backlash towards Commander and the Commander player base lately. It seems that lots of people have become fed up with the endless pandering to the worst format with the worst player base, and I've noticed it happen _all of the sudden_ . Doesn't affect me playing Old School though, and I haven't given WotC one red cent since 2017. Not for Magic, not for D&D, not for D&D Online, not for literally anything.
I have dirty blonde hair, but I have a red beard. It is not unheard of. And no, I am not saying that your beard is red.
As someone coming from Yugioh, when I hear people complain about Duskull I think to myself, “you have no idea.”
The difference between mtgs 30th anniversary and yugiohs 25th anniversary is wild
Magic 30th: Here's a box of proxies for $1000!
Yugioh 25th: Here's some of the most iconic old sets for their original MSRP!
The biggest difference is probably that Yugiohs 25th anniversary now has been going on for 3 years. They started celebrating in late 2021 or early 2022 (?), and they are still printing & promoting the "special" Quarter Century Anniversary platinum secret rares that give you a stroke looking at them.
the beard is neither gray or brown, it's cute ^w^
Uncle Frank is 100% right about the Nostalgia Window affecting collectibles (like the Zexal era he mentioned).
10-15 years after an something came out, or was seeing popularity, it can shoot up in price. Those kids who enjoyed it at that time are now adults with disposable income looking for hits of Nostalgia.
i just hope that people stop buying products that they already hate on.
Inb4
"I only buy the singles tho"
Yeah. Where do you think they came from? You're literally driving more demand
@@infernob00m I wouldnt say thats the exact same to what i was reffering to, but yeah. I just remember things like Secret Lairs being a thing people werent even supposed to mention at the table and not even half a year later everybody just started acting like buying every other secret lair was the norm.
@TimothyZielke holy fuck ain't that the truth. The amount of times Ive seen that is insane. If you call it out though the cope you get is on par with a politician.
"But its print to order it's not fomo"
"I dont like secret lair but I want to support the game"
"I dont want to buy X to send a message. But Ill buy something only available bundled with X at my LGS 'cause that's different somehow"
Its like an entire generation forgot we're allowed to vote with our wallets and that if we don't like a product we're supposed to stop buying it.
The largest MtG channel just put out a video complaining about Magic's direction (though it ends spinelessly with a plea to keep playing and buying). Spice8Rack, one of MtG's best essayists in my opinion, just put up a video complaining about the failures of Duskmourn's worldbuilding that doubled as a critique of Magic as a whole and also in no uncertain terms as calling Wizard's out on their social media. One of Magic's best documentarians, Rhystic Studies, also called out Wizards on their substack (though walked back the anger afterwards if not the message, which was still disappointing.) I don't keep up with Magic finance, their goals are kind of antithetical to mine, but I can't imagine Rudy's been positive for the past 5 years.
It's a shame then that the consoomers are likely watching Game Knights and shit.
Now that I think about it, the 25th anniversary, especially the rarity collections, saved yugioh products. Before RC01, products were worthless and sellers stopped investing in such products (not to mention that the players weren't happy either) but it looks like it's back to normal now.
Sweet Jesus, if GOAT and/or Edison was the predominant Yugioh format I would be back into it 100%
All of them have HUGE problems.
MTG has the worst company. Hasbro doesn't care about actual MTG lore and has decided to pump out endless crossover products. It has gotten to the point where even ridiculous things like Spongebob are fair game.
Pokemon has the worst community. Filled with tons of cryptobro-esque influencers and fake fans who are in it as a get rich quick scheme. It often feels like the voices of those people drown out the voices of the actual fans.
Yugioh has the worst barrier to entry, both monetarily and in terms of learning the game. Staple cards often cost upwards of $100 each, and the rules have become extremely complex with all the mechanics that have been added over the years.
Id say yu gi oh has All 3, Shit company, Shit community and a horrible barrier to entry due to your main format just being a big hodgepodge of every existing card with Restrictions and Bans.
@@djsk244 Pokemon community is worse. Yugioh community is known for being overly competitive, and also has a fair amount of perverts and thieves. But at least the Yugioh community is real. 90% of the Pokemon community is literally fake and is only in it to make money.
The Big Three all have strong player bases, so I don't see any of them going away any time soon. It would take some serious missteps for their publishers to drive players away from buying new cards. I agree that Magic seems to be the one most likely to mess things up. Seeing how much Pokemon is a way of life over in Japan, I don't see that going away any time soon.
MTG is the OG trading card game and the day it goes down it will take every other TCG with them. I’m not crazy about the game anymore but I do recognize its importance in the culture and the marketplace. It’s in every either TCGs interest that it remains reasonably stable.
Yu-Gi-Oh is actually in a bit of a healing stage and it doesn't really have anything to do with the company. It started with goat and edison but people are starting to play the game in ways that they want to play which relieves a lot of pressure from the advanced format. Which people forget has been the pillar that has supported almost the entirety of it's IP for quite some time. Not to say the competitive format shouldn't be the forefront. But the community is too big to satisfy the sheer diversity of it's members with a single format.
There has been an overall price decrease of 60-70% just in the last few months - looking at the market overall. This is probably the main reason why many stores stop carrying Yugioh, because it has no value left.
Look how much more engagement youre getting & fast, LFG brother!
Yeah I'm impressed, lots of people have something to say!
Pokemon- loveley art and boring gameplay
Magic- great formats, is draftable but sometimes makes you feel like your just being advertised to
Yugioh- really complex but incredibly rewarding if you navigate that complexity.
Been playing pokemon Recently and I find that the gameplay is really interesting and it has its complexities not boring at all. But then again that must have been your experience with it
There is nothing rewarding about playing yugioh. It is complex because the company in charge of half of it refuses to make a comprehensive rules list. The overall company as a whole cannot be consistent in rulings. And please don't say the prizing is worth while, you get more out of prizing playing a hyper competitive locals than you do getting first place at any major event these days.
@@scott898586If you actually enjoy playing yugioh there is something really rewarding about learning a deck. Learning all the different combo lines, finetuning your list, gaining an understanding of the cards and how they interact. It's kind of like performing a difficult combo in a fighting game for the first time.
And just like in a fighting game the deck you learn strongly influences how complicated the game will be for you.
@@scott898586 I don't know what to tell you navigating yugioh's complexity is intrinsically rewarding for me.
Nothing more rewarding than than a turn 0 win 😂
I would be curious to see your take on “the next 3”. Now those 3 change depending on who you ask. I view them as One Piece, Digimon & Flesh and Blood but I know some people would have Lorcana in there.
Looking at the Pokemon Scarlet/Violet era so far, there really haven't been much for stumbles. I think Shrouded Fable's been the only set that wasn't super well received, but it's still got some solid cards in there. And some sets like the Base set or Obsidian Flames haven't kept up value currently, but from the perspective of a collector who wants to collect to collect rather than invest, it just means it's easier to finish off the set (only 4 S/V and 1 OBF cards left for me to complete my master sets myself!).
You got some good TCG opinions that I agree with, mtg fucked up with universes beyond. I like yugioh but I do think the meta is a mess
the problem with Magic the Gathering is that the game is broken, it was sort of broken from the start but in recent years it has gotten unmanageably broken. It's the only TCG I know of you can "go infinite" basically at any point in the game fairly easily, it has a ton of instant win cards, it's been power creeped into oblivion with no end in sight to the power creep and it will continue to power creep for years till it's so unmanageable that they will have to just kill the game as it is now and start fresh at some point in the future.
Speaking as a player of TTRPGs first and TCGs second, Wizards of the Coast has not and will not get a single cent from me since the OGL debacle a few years back. Magic is being horribly mismanaged, and D&D 5e, now that I've stopped playing it, is genuinely just a terrible product. Play Pathfinder, proxy cards, and don't look back.
Also hi, it's me, guy who grew up with Zexal and is entering the workforce. I will unironically debate people that Zexal was really good. Like this is gonna sound like a weird take but having a yugioh protagonist who sucks at yugioh was actually a genius move. It was so incredibly satisfying seeing Yuma's final duel with Astral and seeing how he had genuinely come so far as a duelist. Meanwhile, GX's plot just turned into "the cast stands around and waits for Jaiden to walk up and solve everything by scoring his 400th consecutive win" because the writers decided that this random kid who literally never attends his classes in a school for dueling is just unbeatably good for no explicable reason. Also the plot was interesting and had direction, the animation was incredible, and it was the first anime where they finally stopped normal summoning in face-up defense mode.
Was at a white elephant party my beard got miscolored as brown. Opposite effect.
I'm playing Lorcana and having a great time.🤷 The big three aren't going anywhere. It's the newer ones you have to watch. Specifically as they near the two-year mark, as often that's when a TCG will die.
I check Hasbro's earnings reports every quarter, we just got a fresh one for q3 a few days ago
Magic: The Gathering has had a CAGR of 14% per year for 10 years
all the universes beyond whinging takes me back to the chronicles days
Agree on all counts, though I worry over ygo's issues with leaving tcg's holding the bag with bad sets; I remember this being talked about a lot not too long ago, and it had a lot of stores dropping it. But YGO's problems are somewhat unique in that they've been around long enough that sizeable portion of the players just . . . accept it quietly? I think some have become stockholmed by John Konami and Komoney jokes and eat it up and just tell people to shut up with any complaints on tier 0 after tier 0 metagames and high prices. Like MTG had a lot of vocal anger when the powerlevels jumped up around kaladesh and even more so after WAR and then the companions and uro, but that kinda thing just doesn't happen as much with yugioh except with very particular cards like shifter and mystic mine. Even you kinda fall in that camp, and I think I might as well, maybe just cause I liked MTG more and saw it fall more recently while YGO has been largely broken off and on since chaos arguably. Or maybe YGO fans on the internet are just more defensive, idk, I've seen some real brownnosers for MTG (this is schizo conspiracy talk on my part but also has anyone else ever noticed how on magic's subreddit that whenever big controversy arises some poster's gf/wife makes something about the mtg color pie? literally happened just last week). Also, retro ygo formats are gonna be the future I bet, might be YGO's EDH.
Truthfully, I've been wondering when magic will hit its inflection point and stop growing. They've been doing game harming things to push profits in the past 5 years or so (SL's with good stuff, ruining commander with made for commander product, ruining modern with made for modern product, diluting their brand image with crossover slop). More and more people get a bad taste in their mouth from these, and the amount of audience capture with arena and the crossovers has got to be hitting an upper limit at some point. I really want to see what happens once things start to dip down: will they pivot in a fan-reaffirming way, or will they knuckle down on profitmaxxing?
I'm not sure if MTG is in worse spot than YGO in the grand scheme, but they have biggest things to point out as possible breaking points in the future.
I just started playing magic and i love it i really hope its not dying
Magic lost track of what it once was, Pokemon kind of can’t fail as drama in that game never filters through to me, and YuGiOh is as YuGiOh does. The game has been changed irreparably by dozens of things, and can never get back over those changes. It can’t go back to a time before tons of hand traps, board breakers, or end boards made of either an OTK you can’t stop or a board full of negates you can’t chew through. Magic is in the worst position overall. Foundations isn’t good, and actually helps the current meta decks, of which many won’t be changing with the rotation. Wizards doesn’t ban anything, and because of that the meta keeps getting as bad as some YuGiOh players say theirs is. Wizards refuses to do anything because weirdos complain that their cards lose value on rotation and on banning, and they listen to them. So the game gets worse. And worse, and worse. Players for anything outside of commander are dwindling, and Standard hasn’t fired at my store for a very long time, in at least a year and a half, and the shitty meta Is why. You either have it, or you go to game 2. The majority of standard play is on Arena, and that sucks. I remember when standard was better. And it all got worse and started going downhill when I started in Kaladesh, and began to nose dive with too much power around Ikoria. The value of standard legal sets shouldn’t matter, the cost of the game continues to be too high and I fell into Universus because magic and its design/price have completely pushed me out of it.
Agreed. I will always draft MTG cube and I am looking forward to Foundations as are my mates for its limited environment. But with the MTG lore failing and Hasbro/Wotc wanting to pull focus towards UB, MTG definitely feels like it could lose its immersion and shift focus to IP fans. That's why I'm looking further afield to other tcg's like One piece and Star Wars Unlimited. On a side note what is your opinion on Flesh and Blood and Sorcery Contested Realm.
I should give them their own videos (Spoiler: I like 'em)
crush that bottle
Dumbledore speaks, I listen. :)
mtg die? I doubt it. Mtg gets so devalued and Hasbro bleeds so much money that they end up selling it for another company to run it? Much more likely to be its eventual future - but not anytime soon.
I think you're missing the point on the negatives with Yugioh. Poorly balanced metagames existed but the entire game is at a level of complexity creep that can't sustain itself. I've seen more people show up to learn the game who leave and never come back than I have people who stick around. To me that puts Yugioh on extremely shaky future ground. Past formats are fun as a distraction but it's like playing Tarkir block constructed until the end of time. That can't sustain the game even if it's very engaging. Konami needs to realize the current modern game design is absolutely repulsive to anyone who hasn't been Stockholmed in since before the power creep really escalated ten years ago. They need to make a flagship format that resembles the gameplay people love in formats like Edison and HAT instead of banking for a year or two on people finding those formats for the first time. A depowered standard format would allow them to print core sets that actually have more than one or two cards per set that see play somewhere instead of the oddly bulky gift wrap pack filler that surrounds the $100 secret rare that's the only playable in the set. But Konami will never move.
Personally I'm a little annoyed more companies didn't put Konami's feet in the fire over the past few years when they were hurting the most. One Piece kind of did but Shadowverse Evolve (my pet game) needed to take a real swing at Yugioh while it was down like Vanguard did back in the early 2010s. It feels like too many companies are willing to wither away instead of recognizing where consumer sentiment is pointing.
Me personally, I'm just hoping for Rush Duels in English.
@FranksHobbies Rush being separate from the main game completely invalidates it as a product outside of its target demographic of 10 year old Japanese kids. It's like if Magic's answer to Modern power creep was to make Standard but it's Duel Masters.
@@geek593Portals: Foundations
1997-8: 5 million players
1999: 6 million players
2000: 7 million players
2001: 5 million players
2002-2006: 6 million players
2007: 7 million players
2008: 6 million players
2011: 10 million players
2012: 12 million players
2013: 16.2 million Players
2014: 21.87 million Players
Now it's somewhere around 50 million players. But sure, it's in one of the worst spots it's ever been in.
People say Pokemon is the largest IP, but I don't think the data really shows that. Sure, it has lots of wins in various media, but it's not winning in any of the markets it's in. But it is a great IP, with a lot of strength behind it.
The beard may not be red, but it's more red than your hair.
I have this same exact color combo and I always considered it as "dirty blonde" head hair and and "orange/brown" beard
Watch yugioh zexal in Japanese,thats the fault of the dub thats why people hate it
Unfortunately, mtg is thriving due to UB..LOTR and Dr who brought in so many players..and Unfortunately with marvel and FF coming next year i feel it will thrive more, i say Unfortunately as i dont really like UB sets, but the issue really lies with a forced rotation with modern horizons sets and the absolute focus on commander
I agree Foundations is a positive sign in an otherwise bleak MtG universe, though I'm not entirely sure why anything that follows would retain anyone who is brought in by Foundations given the whole game is just a mash up of whatever these days. I don't believe there is a single decision-maker within WotC that has even a passing thought of 10 years from now. They're too busy chasing every immediate dollar they think they can get. Hasbro would be wise to make some changes in leadership.
Hasbro is the reason they're eating themselves. Why on earth would wotc employees self destruct on purpose
Oh boy here we go again.
I looked at Foundations spoilers earlier today, and I was actually impressed. It actually seems like a real set. No garbage set mechanics mindlessly tacked on to cards, no dumb theme, etc. It actually seems...nice.
One thing that gives me pause about the future of Magic is that I've seen LOTS of backlash towards Commander and the Commander player base lately. It seems that lots of people have become fed up with the endless pandering to the worst format with the worst player base, and I've noticed it happen _all of the sudden_ . Doesn't affect me playing Old School though, and I haven't given WotC one red cent since 2017. Not for Magic, not for D&D, not for D&D Online, not for literally anything.
clickbait. big 3 are going nowhere