Brilliant post. Heartbreaking each time I think of that charge. For years and years my focus has been so heavy on the eastern campaigns and Virginia, but this reminds me of how fascinating the western campaigns were and the men who participated in them. Many thanks- especially in November… One simply can’t understand the current nation without fully embracing the nuances of its civil war.
I work and give tours at the Carter House, Carnton and Rippi Villa for the Battle of Franklin Trust. Great job. Wonderful video. So well done. Thanks. The Battle of Franklin Trust just bought two office building in front of the Carter House. And about to buy another building in front of the Carter House. Adding to the battle ground.
It's a shame that the Battle of Franklin Trust has been controlled by the WOKE folks. The tour's emphasis on slavery detracts from the interpretation of the overall importance of the battle, itself.
I have two who wore grey. One, Oliver Perry Drew (3d Miss Inf., Co. D), was captured at Franklin and spent the rest of The War in the Andersonville of The North, Camp Douglas.
First time I went there the spot where Cleburne died was across the street from a Pizza Hut. So way to go all ya'll in conserving that most tragic battlefield.
The Battle of Franklin Trust has done great things for Franklin. I'm truly appreciative of their restoration efforts in and around the battlefield. If everywhere had a Trust like that we would be set for hundreds of years of historical interpretation. Thank you and the Trust! Love their UA-cam stuff as well!
I was there in 2000 and couldn't believe that Pizza Hut was smack dab in the middle of the battlefield. I spoke with some fantastic re-enactors, but it always stuck with me that the city fathers allowed that. s@brentbrouwer6135
So glad to see this posted as I love this page. I live in nearby and work in Franklin sometimes and drive up and down the streets that were there during the Civil War and often times I think about what it must’ve been like to be there.
I find this battle the most compelling of all the Civil War battles … I had an ancestor in the battle a musician in the 183rd Ohio he was only 17 William Clements Beachey , The father of the Hall of fame Aviator Lincoln Beachey
I live outside of Cincinnati, whenever I come across a cemetery I like to check out civil war headstones, I've seen a few from the 183 inf. That's awesome you've got info on a relative from that battle.
Great video. You really did put me there. Having visited the Franklin battleground and living about 30 mins from it, I really find the Civil War history of TN compelling and at times, emotional. Thanks again for a great lesson from history.
l first visited Franklin after reading "The Widow of the South", about the battle and the aftermath that resulted in the Confederate Cemetery at Carnton Plantation. We now return to Franklin every year to visit the charming town and countryside. After visiting the battlefield sites and studying the battle I learned that my great grandfather, John Lucius Phelps, marched with Hood's army through Alabama on the way to Franklin but had to drop out because of pneumonia before they crossed the Tennessee River. He had fought from Chattanooga in 1862, when he first joined, then down through Georgia before the fateful march into Tennessee. Had he not caught pneumonia I might not be here today.
Fantastic...I wish we could have much media on Franklin as we do on G'burg! My GG grandfather Solomon Skelton & his brother Absalom were both there - and captured - as part of G Co. 5th Mississippi.
My grandfather, a Confederate soldier from Georgia, was captured at Nashville. He died at Camp Douglas, Illinois in late 1864. His name was William Rogers.
Cleburne is an example how desperate both sides were for any with military experience, was he not a corporal in the British military. The entire war was an example of bad tactics, and false pride. A true warrior puts his pride aside and does what is necessary.
Well, Cleburne was a more effective commander at brigade/division levels than most of his West Point trained counterparts despite minimal formal military experience. Forrest, Cheatham, Hampton, Breckinridge, and Dick Taylor are a few others in that category.
Books on the Battle Cause and Country by Eric A. Jacobson Battle of Franklin James R Knight Let’s us die like Men William White. Suffering in the Army of Tennessee. By Thrasher Hood's Tennessee Campaign. James knight Autumn of Glory: Thomas Connelly. All great books.
This is such a great show. Keep it up! One question: I have never seen the blue flags with the white dots. Why would the Confederate army be flying these flags rather than the Stars and Bars battle flag, as shown in one of the illustrations?
Can you share some original sources for Clayburn's suggestions about arming slaves, ending slavery, and the like, that you talk about around minute 27:30? Articles, videos, or the like would be appreciated. Thanks!
After his wounding at Chickamauga, Hood should have been relieved for medical reasons. He was promoted beyond his competency. As a Corps commander, Hood had a lackluster record. At Kolb’s Farm, he advanced his men up hill over rough and wooded ground without proper reconnaissance, skirmishers, or cavalry and artillery support. These failures would be repeated over and over during his tenure as Commander of the Army of Tennessee: first at Peachtree Creek, again at the Battle of Atlanta, at Ezra Church, and again at Jonesboro. Hood’s limited mobility due to his injuries and the concomitant laudanum use rendered him incapable of exercising effective command. President Jefferson Davis never should have promoted Hood, however, Davis misplaced his trust in Bragg, who was a capable administrator yet an incapable battlefield commander and also a man who held grudges that prevented him from recommending a more capable commander, such as Hardee.
I went to SD Lee HS in Columbus Mississippi. We were, of course, the Generals. I was in the band. Our uniforms were Confederate gray. This was in the 80s. Doubt the name has changed.
Clayburn was right about everything he said and done pried is a weakness the southerners should have listened to clayburn 😢no way in he'll I would died so the richest could keep slaves
"Where this division defended, no odds broke its line; where it attacked, no numbers resisted its onslaught, save only once; and there is the grave of Cleburne." - Confederate Gen. William Hardee, upon learning of Patrick Cleburne's death at Franklin
@@Conn30Mtenor no but I've read & agree with Bruce Cattons comment on John Bell Hood, "replacing Johnston with Hood was the worse decision of any government during the civil war.
This battle has been for me the most sad battle of the war...many parished...Patrick and many others generals, the death of an army...End of the cause..
Illustration above seems to be a Currier & Ives, noted throughout their many works for their inaccuracies; this one bears no relation to actualities ... except maybe for the uniform colors. Geography is all wrong, landmarks fanciful and/or missing altogether, placement of troops incorrect, landscape faulty and fictionalized.
A small correction: I believe you mean history is relevant, not “revelant.” And indeed it is relevant, especially when discussing attitudes still present here in Tennessee where the Civil War is sometimes retold using “alternative facts.”
@ nickroberts-xf7oq: You’ll hear revisionist pap pretty much everywhere, just depends on the crowd you hang with. Of course revisionism or outright ignorance isn’t universal but it is common enough.
Cleburne: "It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties" "Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; learn from Northern school books THEIR version of the war, and taught to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects of derision."
Cleburne was an honorable and brave leader of men. Didn’t fight for the right to own slaves and keep his wealth, as he never took part in owning slaves and openly advocated for freeing southern slaves for military service. Didn’t fight for political gain or self serving career gains, as he was just a small pharmacy owner and lawyer in tiny town in Arkansas. He truly was just fighting to protect his new adoptive home that gave him a new good life after the potato famine. Obviously the confederacy had a horrible cause but men like cleburne as Individuals should be remembered and respected. He deserved better from the confederate top brass.
Clebourne was the son of the Protestant Minister in Mallow Co Cork and served in India in the British Army before arriving in America around 1850 ,he is not commerated in Mallow...
“Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.” Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864 Deo Vindice
I think the goal is to get you so disgusted with the amount of ads you buckle and go for the premium ( no ad) option. At least that's what's happened to me.
I respect your decision to educate the public going forward. I feel using, What Lives, was living the words used to make money, was literal! To the extent of the absolute extent of giving their LIVES! 😢 Please 🙏! Still An American Experiment 🇺🇸 , That we are blessed to continue, Remembering, That same Dedication is our responsibility to Carry forward with the same devotion!!! Please do so with that Continuation as then, going forward….. Having That same dedication at heart!!! For God sake! Especially in 2024, And go forward! Money cannot be the deciding factor!!!! Keep in mind, the devotion given then! We still need the same going forward! Money is not and must not be the driving force! Especially! When even Now! Americans are still an Continuation of The devotion and lives lost a At best maintaining that same devotion to an experiment called America moving forward.❤🙏 respectfully, anything can be Justified in one’s own mind. As history Has proven time and again.
I respect your decision to educate the public going forward. I feel using, What Lives, was living the words used to make money, was literal! To the extent of the absolute extent of giving their LIVES! 😢 Please 🙏! Still An American Experiment 🇺🇸 , That we are blessed to continue, Remembering, That same Dedication is our responsibility to Carry forward with the same devotion!!! Please do so with that Continuation as then, going forward….. Having That same dedication at heart!!! For God sake! Especially in 2024, And go forward! Money cannot be the deciding factor!!!! Keep in mind, the devotion given then! We still need the same going forward! Money is not and must not be the driving force! Especially! When even Now! Americans are still an Continuation of The devotion and lives lost a At best maintaining that same devotion to an experiment called America moving forward.❤🙏 respectfully, anything can be Justified in one’s own mind. As history Has proven time and again.
Brilliant post. Heartbreaking each time I think of that charge. For years and years my focus has been so heavy on the eastern campaigns and Virginia, but this reminds me of how fascinating the western campaigns were and the men who participated in them. Many thanks- especially in November…
One simply can’t understand the current nation without fully embracing the nuances of its civil war.
I work and give tours at the Carter House, Carnton and Rippi Villa for the Battle of Franklin Trust. Great job. Wonderful video. So well done. Thanks.
The Battle of Franklin Trust just bought two office building in front of the Carter House. And about to buy another building in front of the Carter House. Adding to the battle ground.
It's a shame that the Battle of Franklin Trust has been controlled by the WOKE folks. The tour's emphasis on slavery detracts from the interpretation of the overall importance of the battle, itself.
I have two who wore grey. One, Oliver Perry Drew (3d Miss Inf., Co. D), was captured at Franklin and spent the rest of The War in the Andersonville of The North, Camp Douglas.
First time I went there the spot where Cleburne died was across the street from a Pizza Hut. So way to go all ya'll in conserving that most tragic battlefield.
The Battle of Franklin Trust has done great things for Franklin. I'm truly appreciative of their restoration efforts in and around the battlefield. If everywhere had a Trust like that we would be set for hundreds of years of historical interpretation. Thank you and the Trust! Love their UA-cam stuff as well!
I was there in 2000 and couldn't believe that Pizza Hut was smack dab in the middle of the battlefield. I spoke with some fantastic re-enactors, but it always stuck with me that the city fathers allowed that. s@brentbrouwer6135
Thank you so much for your efforts Your presentation was, in my opinion, flawless. You should be very proud.
So glad to see this posted as I love this page. I live in nearby and work in Franklin sometimes and drive up and down the streets that were there during the Civil War and often times I think about what it must’ve been like to be there.
Great job! Another awesome story from Fred's Threads🙂
Great as always!
I find this battle the most compelling of all the Civil War battles … I had an ancestor in the battle a musician in the 183rd Ohio he was only 17 William Clements Beachey , The father of the Hall of fame Aviator Lincoln Beachey
I live outside of Cincinnati, whenever I come across a cemetery I like to check out civil war headstones, I've seen a few from the 183 inf. That's awesome you've got info on a relative from that battle.
Great video. You really did put me there. Having visited the Franklin battleground and living about 30 mins from it, I really find the Civil War history of TN compelling and at times, emotional. Thanks again for a great lesson from history.
Yes!! My favorite battle to study, and yall delivered.
While I admire Hood for his ambition fighting with two limbs useles, I think his thinking was affected by the meds he was on
l first visited Franklin after reading "The Widow of the South", about the battle and the aftermath that resulted in the Confederate Cemetery at Carnton Plantation. We now return to Franklin every year to visit the charming town and countryside. After visiting the battlefield sites and studying the battle I learned that my great grandfather, John Lucius Phelps, marched with Hood's army through Alabama on the way to Franklin but had to drop out because of pneumonia before they crossed the Tennessee River. He had fought from Chattanooga in 1862, when he first joined, then down through Georgia before the fateful march into Tennessee. Had he not caught pneumonia I might not be here today.
Fantastic...I wish we could have much media on Franklin as we do on G'burg! My GG grandfather Solomon Skelton & his brother Absalom were both there - and captured - as part of G Co. 5th Mississippi.
Cleburne is my Elvis and Franklin is my Graceland. Ty for doing this video. 10/10
What a nice memorial for Battle of Franklin.
My grandfather, a Confederate soldier from Georgia, was captured at Nashville. He died at Camp Douglas, Illinois in late 1864. His name was William Rogers.
Cleburne is an example how desperate both sides were for any with military experience, was he not a corporal in the British military.
The entire war was an example of bad tactics, and false pride. A true warrior puts his pride aside and does what is necessary.
Well, Cleburne was a more effective commander at brigade/division levels than most of his West Point trained counterparts despite minimal formal military experience. Forrest, Cheatham, Hampton, Breckinridge, and Dick Taylor are a few others in that category.
It would have been nice to see a few maps in this presentation.
Excellent as always. Any recommendations of books on this campaign, and the western theatre, would be appreciated.
Books on the Battle
Cause and Country by Eric A. Jacobson
Battle of Franklin James R Knight
Let’s us die like Men William White.
Suffering in the Army of Tennessee. By Thrasher
Hood's Tennessee Campaign. James knight
Autumn of Glory: Thomas Connelly. All great books.
This is such a great show. Keep it up! One question: I have never seen the blue flags with the white dots. Why would the Confederate army be flying these flags rather than the Stars and Bars battle flag, as shown in one of the illustrations?
Can you share some original sources for Clayburn's suggestions about arming slaves, ending slavery, and the like, that you talk about around minute 27:30? Articles, videos, or the like would be appreciated. Thanks!
So many "what if's" in the war, and a lot of prideful mistakes. A very interesting time in our country. Great story.
After his wounding at Chickamauga, Hood should have been relieved for medical reasons. He was promoted beyond his competency. As a Corps commander, Hood had a lackluster record. At Kolb’s Farm, he advanced his men up hill over rough and wooded ground without proper reconnaissance, skirmishers, or cavalry and artillery support. These failures would be repeated over and over during his tenure as Commander of the Army of Tennessee: first at Peachtree Creek, again at the Battle of Atlanta, at Ezra Church, and again at Jonesboro. Hood’s limited mobility due to his injuries and the concomitant laudanum use rendered him incapable of exercising effective command. President Jefferson Davis never should have promoted Hood, however, Davis misplaced his trust in Bragg, who was a capable administrator yet an incapable battlefield commander and also a man who held grudges that prevented him from recommending a more capable commander, such as Hardee.
A classmate from college lives in Franklin. Nice town. Hardly ever hear gunshots or artillery around there.
Thank you for this. My g-, g-, great grandfather survived Franklin only to be captured at Nashville and imprisoned at Camp Chase, Ohio
By the way - thats my GGG Uncle 1SG Solomon Skelton in the foreground the Rocco painting
I was out of here with your first YT ad.
wewll done
Is this a re-upload? They mentioned doing the March to the Sea next in the outro, but theyve already done that
Hood was an incompetent fool.
Cleburne should’ve been given command of the AoT.
I went to SD Lee HS in Columbus Mississippi. We were, of course, the Generals. I was in the band. Our uniforms were Confederate gray. This was in the 80s. Doubt the name has changed.
Clayburn was right about everything he said and done pried is a weakness the southerners should have listened to clayburn 😢no way in he'll I would died so the richest could keep slaves
"Where this division defended, no odds broke its line; where it attacked, no numbers resisted its onslaught, save only once; and there is the grave of Cleburne." - Confederate Gen. William Hardee, upon learning of Patrick Cleburne's death at Franklin
John Bell Hood, a failure in every command above a brigade
Cmon give Sam a break
@@aliahmed5571 and if it was a Union general he was commenting about you'd applaud.
@@Conn30Mtenor lol what a stupid comment. How about McClellan? He sucked.
@@Conn30Mtenor and obviously you never saw the movie Gettysburg to get my sarcasm
@@Conn30Mtenor no but I've read & agree with Bruce Cattons comment on John Bell Hood, "replacing Johnston with Hood was the worse decision of any government during the civil war.
No maps?
This battle has been for me the most sad battle of the war...many parished...Patrick and many others generals, the death of an army...End of the cause..
Too sad.
Hood destroyed his Army.
The Confederacy really died at Franklin and Nashville.....there would be no chance after those debacles.....
Actually it died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg. After that it was pretty well clear that the Confederacy could never win
Maps would have been helpful.
Maps. Need maps.
19:07 .... Uh Oh.... honey trap.... that's never good
maps showing troop movements would have been halpful.
It took a kid from Hubbard Ohio to save the Union line
Illustration above seems to be a Currier & Ives, noted throughout their many works for their inaccuracies; this one bears no relation to actualities ... except maybe for the uniform colors. Geography is all wrong, landmarks fanciful and/or missing altogether, placement of troops incorrect, landscape faulty and fictionalized.
A small correction: I believe you mean history is relevant, not “revelant.” And indeed it is relevant, especially when discussing attitudes still present here in Tennessee where the Civil War is sometimes retold using “alternative facts.”
Which part of Tennessee ? 🤔
@ nickroberts-xf7oq: You’ll hear revisionist pap pretty much everywhere, just depends on the crowd you hang with. Of course revisionism or outright ignorance isn’t universal but it is common enough.
Cleburne:
"It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties"
"Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; learn from Northern school books THEIR version of the war, and taught to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects of derision."
Mini Kursk
Cleburne was an honorable and brave leader of men. Didn’t fight for the right to own slaves and keep his wealth, as he never took part in owning slaves and openly advocated for freeing southern slaves for military service. Didn’t fight for political gain or self serving career gains, as he was just a small pharmacy owner and lawyer in tiny town in Arkansas. He truly was just fighting to protect his new adoptive home that gave him a new good life after the potato famine. Obviously the confederacy had a horrible cause but men like cleburne as Individuals should be remembered and respected. He deserved better from the confederate top brass.
No 1860s Irishman would wish to be buried in a Protestant graveyard, no matter how quaint.
Patrick Cleburne was an Anglo Irish Protestant Anglican, wth are you on about?
Well the wiki says he was Anglican Protestant so his willingness to be buried there would fit.
Unless he was Protestant of course... which is why most of our ancestors left Ireland and England. There's that.
This guy has hours of research. I'm sure he knows. Js
Clebourne was the son of the Protestant Minister in Mallow Co Cork and served in India in the British Army before arriving in America around 1850 ,he is not commerated in Mallow...
“Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.”
Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864
Deo Vindice
Jeez , just as its getting good an advert, more adverts today then any episode I've enjoyed before this . Not good.
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I think the goal is to get you so disgusted with the amount of ads you buckle and go for the premium ( no ad) option. At least that's what's happened to me.
What a waste of southern patriots
I respect your decision to educate the public going forward. I feel using, What Lives, was living the words used to make money, was literal! To the extent of the absolute extent of giving their LIVES! 😢 Please 🙏! Still An American Experiment 🇺🇸 , That we are blessed to continue, Remembering, That same Dedication
is our responsibility to Carry forward with the same devotion!!!
Please do so with that Continuation as then, going forward….. Having That same dedication at heart!!! For God sake! Especially in 2024, And go forward! Money cannot be the deciding factor!!!! Keep in mind, the devotion given then! We still need the same going forward! Money is not and must not be the driving force! Especially! When even Now! Americans are still an Continuation of The devotion and lives lost a At best maintaining that same devotion to an experiment called America moving forward.❤🙏 respectfully, anything can be Justified in one’s own mind. As history Has proven time and again.
Too much Confederate bias! You suck!
Too many ads
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I respect your decision to educate the public going forward. I feel using, What Lives, was living the words used to make money, was literal! To the extent of the absolute extent of giving their LIVES! 😢 Please 🙏! Still An American Experiment 🇺🇸 , That we are blessed to continue, Remembering, That same Dedication
is our responsibility to Carry forward with the same devotion!!!
Please do so with that Continuation as then, going forward….. Having That same dedication at heart!!! For God sake! Especially in 2024, And go forward! Money cannot be the deciding factor!!!! Keep in mind, the devotion given then! We still need the same going forward! Money is not and must not be the driving force! Especially! When even Now! Americans are still an Continuation of The devotion and lives lost a At best maintaining that same devotion to an experiment called America moving forward.❤🙏 respectfully, anything can be Justified in one’s own mind. As history Has proven time and again.