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I would like you to test a compressor type CPU cooling device that uses gas refrigerant like a freezer in a fridge rather than water cooling. I do know if such a device even exists but that kind of cooling in a all in one CPU cooler has got to be better than the water. I have seen 12 volt compressors for trucks air con. Thanks.
tbf, as I said in my own comment below, R5 3600. I mean, what else ? Superbudget on some A320 ( my Asus A320 M-K costed me 35$ )... And its the CPU that as you 11:47 said - its still relevant ! The universal king of budget PC, probably the most beloved CPU in EU in last 3 years. ( ...and, as Steve from HWunboxed showed us, is pretty close to 5600 in games. Especialy while paired with budget GPU - RX6600XT - which is also the king of budget FPS / $ chart )
It's funny that all the original reviews of this part were down on it because the R3 3300X was better value at the same price...then the AMD part basically ceased to exist at all.
Yeah, though the 3600 pretty quickly dropped to very attractive prices which when considered with the full platform costs and features kinda made anything below it irrelevant.
**EDIT 2: Ok, after digging a lot, it appears that B560s from ASUS, MSI, & ASRock all support XMP profiles over 2666 for the 10th gen i3. I've found builds working with Gigabyte Aorus branded B560s as well, and a user in the thread below claims support for the B560M H board as well. So it seems all B560 from these AIBs support XMP over 2666 for the 10th gen i3 CPUs. FYI - All this is pertinent to an upcoming Episode of Boost My Build I filmed yesterday so just wanted to make sure my info was correct.** OP: My understanding is that at least some B560 boards will allow XMP profiles above 2666 MT for i3 10100. And I also believe even those boards that won't work with the XMP you can manually input the settings from the XMP profile and that should work. Here's a ASRock B560M HDV working with 3600 MT timings: ua-cam.com/video/riEf9YtP8y0/v-deo.html Here's a MSI B560M Bazooka XMP working with 10105F: ua-cam.com/video/JUckibMFIF4/v-deo.html Unfortunately I don't currently have a 10100 for any testing to reverify and it's been a long time. EDIT: A little digging and it seems that MSI, ASRock, & ASUS B560 work with 10th gen i3 XMP over 2666. Seems so far only gigabyte B560 boards have exclusions for the 10th gen i3 parts in the memory specs, but could be undocumented support as well. But check the motherboard specs to be sure.
@@MrSkollll Thanks, their specs only list OC speeds specifically for i5/i7/i9 CPUs and exclude the i3. But I also found evidence that the Aorus branded Gigabyte B560's work with XMP here: ua-cam.com/video/R-_n8KnPqqI/v-deo.html . However the one I'm really interested in is the DS3H, since that one is $60. It lists the same memory spec as the Aorus Pro B560. I'm guessing if the even more cut down H board allows XMP above 2666 then certainly the DS3H should.
10100f + b460 motherboard.... See a 10600k or 10700k at a good price.... Oh I have to buy a z series board to use it properly. Or 10100f with z 490 motherboard.... Oh look a cheap 10700k etc.... Drops right in. Saved buying another motherboard and the complete pain of changing said motherboard. Point being you're finding good Z490 boards for not much more than a good b460 board. The z series option has a greater upgrade path
It’s worth noting that the 10100f can be had for around $65 USD now, that’s what I paid. Compared to the $108 12100f, that’s a 40% increase in cost for a 20-40% increase in performance, further making the case that while the 12100f is the best value, a $40 price difference can pay for you PSU, or allow you to get a better GPU. 10100F is the ultra budget king right now.
not to mention you can also economize in cheaper motherboards, because DAMN, those 12th gen intel motherboards are much more expensive, and there are much more quantity of motherboard that supports 10th gen nowadays, so not only you'll get 40$ more for the processor difference, who knows, you might get like 20-30$ from the motherboard too
One of the things I really appreciate about GN is that, while for some people $20 might be nothing, for others it's _everything_ and couching their recommendations with that in mind is just one more reason I love this channel.
@@InvadeNormandy Linus is more for the enthusiast and whack ass builds. Although his occasional consumer targeted builds are pretty reasonable. There are worse content creators out there. Snobbing at last gen products and generally discouraging the budget market. "DONT BUY THE 3050/6600 GUYS BUT A 3070 OR 6800XT INSTEAD BECAUSE THEY GIVE HIGHER FPS AND ONLY COST DOUBLE MORE!!!! WHAT'S THAT A RYZEN 5 3600 IN 2022???? IT WILL BOTTLENECK BECAUSE ITS OLD REGARDLESS IF YOUR PAIRING IT UP WITH A 300$ GPU!!!!"
@@loowick4074 that's so true. Since i don't play any competitive games, getting 60 fps on high settings in 1080p is enough for me. Nowadays 750 or so dollars could get you a nice full setup, I'm talking about PC, peripheral, desk, chair, monitor and all the stuff.
i have the 10105f, it's clocked slightly higher than the 10100, it's great for gaming. i paired it with a GTX 1650 OC, and i play Forza horizon 5 on high settings, 1080p 2x msaa @ 60fps
@@GamersNexus its about the same price or cheaper than the 10100f where I live. Oh and b560s allow mem ocs aswell and their as cheap as h410 in Canada at least!
@@haywire9174 Yeah same! Built a budget gaming rig for a pal with the 10105F, was a few euros cheaper than the 10100F. Supply demand and all that... I know this isn't the focus of this channel, but beyond that, 10th gen on the used market is really good value these days. Even 11th gen only relevant CPU, the 11400F, can be found pretty cheap
I paired a 10100f with a 1650S, H570, and 16GB@3733Mhz (I’m a novice at timings CL 22). It chokes on 4K60 Ultra, but I can manage 1440p with medium settings.
I built a PC in January with a 10100F and it's been great. I see it as a "good enough" threshold. So far it's held 60+fps in every game we've tried, and 60fps is good enough for a great gaming experience. Going from 60fps to anything higher is a very small improvement to the experience, so there's really not much reason to pay any amount extra for it. I'd do it again in a heartbeat if I were to build that PC again.
@@nickcastor1583 When I first built it I had it paired with an RX 6600, which is really close to a 3060. For 1080p I think it's a pretty balanced build. At 1440p the GPU was definitely the bottleneck. Now I've got a 3080 in there that lets me play at 4k. Seems silly to have a 3080 with a i3, but in most newer games the i3 still isn't bottlenecking too much at the higher resolution. Again, it can push out 60+fps, which is kind of the threshold for a good experience.
from 60fps to above is a small imrpovement to the experience, AND is a huge downside for your wallet, like, i dont get why people are this obsessed to get 60FPS+ in games that aren't competitive (or where it doesn't matter that much), i was rocking with my 24fps playing zelda BOTW the first time i completed it, and it was a GOOD experience, i enjoyed every bit of that game, i didnt needed 144fps average to enjoy it, so thats why im staying with this entry level i3, and im buying a rx 550 so i can at least enjoy some new titles at 30fps. and believe me, that IS huge improvement, believe it or not i was having fun in playing spiderman at bare minimum with 800x600 resolution at 10-20fps, i even advanced in story, but sadly it is quite unplayable, i need to get at least 20-30fps in most titles to not have a seizuren lmfao
@@NFYT when u play competitive or u ever played on more than 60 hz u just cant get back to it. The eyes and the brain cant get over it. I just so un smoove that u feeling lost without high framrate and hz
I got to build a ton of budget $400 gaming PCs with actually okay gpus with the 10100F getting as low as $70 in bulk and okay B460 boards getting a low as $60. It really made addressing that price point possible. Edit: yes, b560 ram oc exists, but those don't commonly exist at the same b460 price point. And praising pricing is the whole point of the post.
You really don't want B460, though. That locks your RAM down to JEDEC specs (low frequency and high latency). B560 lets you use XMP profiles for a big RAM speed boost.
@@madcrowmaxwell right, and when okay B560 boards get to sub $80, they'd be suitable choices. Plus, many of the boards I would get only run pcie 4.0 in the top m.2 slot, and disable it entirely without 11th gen which is just unacceptable compared to running ram at 2666 instead of 3200.
@@joemarais7683 10th gen doesn't support 4.0 anyway. Stepping up to a newer board and getting proper RAM speed and timings even if you still won't get PCI-E 4.0 is probably worth it.
I used the 10100 in a build for my parents (they badly needed a new pc and decided to get something decent at least). It's been a great chip for them (light general use, some office work). They went from some ancient 2C/2T Pentium to this 4C/8T and from 4GB RAM to 16GB Ram) :D With some nice new peripherals (didn't even have a 1080p monitor...) really shows the lower end stuff has some great uses.
Big yes on doing budget computer builds! I'm sure the GPU would still be tricky but I'd love to see how low you could go on a budget PC while still getting decent performance in games
Using a i3-10105 in my home server and for the price it's a surprisingly capable chip, no complaints at all. Boards are much cheaper than 12 series too.
I always look to previous generations when people who are not the best off ask me for build advice, too many people don't think of others budget when recommending parts and only look at current gen. So happy to see this video!
I would really love to see you guys check the 10100f & 12100f with realistic GPU options, like RX570/80, 1650/Super, 1050ti, 1060, 1660/Super, 1070, RX5600, etc. It would be super helpful for people on a budget and wanting to build a gaming system. Thanks so much for the great content.
Yeah - for someone with less experience, it would be useful to know at what point one'll get bottlenecked on one or the other, so that they don't spend "a bit more" on a part that won't help much while the other part is struggling.
The reason why this GPU is used is to make sure it's a "pure" CPU test, you can basically scale down with each tier Eg - 80=100 fps 70=80 fps and so on all the way down GPU tiers (example numbers) GPU benchmark can give you %s My 1070 gets around 70-110 fps on games with a 5800x
It's just insane,console comes out and games are being made for it like for 7 years or more,but hey cpu old 2 years and gpu oh noooo,that is fkn old outdated change it asap,just shows you mentality of today kids. Now i get it if you are buying parts for pc,and there's not much difference in price old vs new,you should get new (specially if there's huge performance boost) but here's the thing people still recomend ryzen 5 3600 which was released in July 7 2019,but that's not old right? Yeah weirdos everywhere smh.
It's still brand-new unless if Intel discontinued their production.... Like Coffee Lake (8&9 gen), discontinued 1 day before 2021's Christmas. There's so called max order date (when it'll get discontinued) and max shipping date (which is stockpiled items/production according to orders)
I think the i3-10100f is better deal on a budget than the i3-12100f simply for factoring in overall price in motherboard, RAM and ease of access. It is an amazing CPU when it was released considering it performs nearly as well as the i7-7700. It also shows how long-overdue an increased core count was on the high end. There's less and less reason to go back and buy classic CPUs as strong as Haswell's i7s for a budget system when the i3-10100 exists. It outperforms them all handily while costing not much more, all while being new, even as those parts drop in price.
Wait the 10th gen is "old"... Guess my 8700k is ancient at this point. Honestly even though I have been in IT for 22 years professionally, and basically all my life otherwise, it still blows my mind how fast tech progresses. I try to build a new PC every 5 to 8 years, with usually a GPU, Memory, and storage upgrade 2 to 4 years into that, depending on how fast the tech is moving. Even at the shorter end of that schedule, it always feels like I build a PC and boom, big leaps happen... But regardless of that, I still love PC's and honestly that constant advancement and growth is what I love (in that bittersweet way) about IT as a whole.
A straight decade of Intel pushing single core performance by 5-10% per generation has done strange things to the PC landscape. Software can't really progress at the speed CPUs are currently progressing because of the absurdly large install base of CPUs which are "practically the same", which all belong to people who got the idea that once you've bought a PC you've bought a PC.... and yes, I'm writing this on my 12 year old coffee-table-laptop.
Built my PC with one of these and ended up getting a 3070, works great for me and I haven't experienced any problems with any game I've ever tried. Tons of people don't NEED a bigger CPU
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Also to note - the 10105F exists and is currently cheaper than the 10100F. It's basically the same chip with slightly higher core tuning, though the performance difference is basically irrelevant for a day to day usage perspective. Get whichever is cheaper!
mine seems to be still holding up well on my old Z270 Gigabyte Gaming Board.Just upgraded the Ram to 16GB 3600MhZ CL16 , giving it another lease of life.
@@Darkfiberke you do realize 10100f is like 5% shy of a i7 7700....don't think your 2600k oc at 5.1ghz will run any circles around it, won't even come close at all.
Wow, that 12100F is a beast. If I didn't need more cores for some of my applications, it seems like a great upgrade for basically anyone with a computer more than 2 years old.
No. AMD Ryzen 7 2700X the same price on Ebay but with more performance. Anyone with a 4 year old computer already has a faster CPU. It is not an upgrade at all.
@@Robbie-mw5uu Did you even watch the video? The 12100F decimates the 2700K in nearly all tests. Even the 10100 beats it in most games. Also, I said 2 years, not 4.
@@Robbie-mw5uu it is if you're only interested in single core performance and you dont need more than 8 threads. If you're coming from a ryzen 1500/1600/ 2200G/ 3200G, the 12100F is obviously an upgrade. Not everyone will require 12+ thread goodness and you're just wasting CPU cycles and cores (and energy) if you dont utilize the extra.
@@MLWJ1993 given the facr that 6 cores is now the greatest amount on steam, we are in that new era. 2c / 4t only became obsolete a very few years ago. However they are a better choice for many AAA and simulation games, thanks to the extra compute possible. 4c /8t has a few years ahead and even when obsolete, will remain a good choice as it ages better.
Happy to see coverage on lower end CPUs like this. I started with Sandy/Ivy Bridge i7s then stepped up to an i3 10105 to get on a newer platform. Great value for the money, if you really just want to game.
you know what didnt age well Gamers Nexus calling Intel gen 10 and 11 a waste of sand and that PCI gen 4.0 is useless because theirs no NVME,s or M.2,s that use 4.0 speed yet that are 15gbsecond all the way up too 256gb a second and that theirs no GPU,s that use PCIexpress 4.0 either .. well guess what eat your words the 10th and 11th gen CPU,s where actually handy capped due too transfer speeds and if you get a NVME m.2 gen 4 loaded up with windows 10 and games it actaully performs better and faster and allows the chips too use their full potential very snappy and quick . imagine a i3 10100 or better like a i5 11400 with a M.2 nvme 1tb gen 4 , 16gb ram and a Z590 or Z490 plus a RTX 2060 or 3060 blowing everything out of the water Ryzen has in the 5000-6000 lineup isnt that a twist !!!! i guess you can eat your words Tech jesus you have been checkmated and are now offically a waste of sand !!!!
17:33 also, it is not only 20 dollars on the CPU but also the inflated premiums on the 12th gen Motherboards that are around 30$ more than a H510 for example. so in total between cpu and MB there is around a 50$ difference. Thanks for the video, I was planning on building an entry level PC with a 12100f + RX 6600 but I was short on budget and looking at some other benchmarks there is a 10-20 FPS difference in some scenarios with this setup since there is a change from PCIE 40. and 3.0 but that GPU does not suffer that much on PCIE 3.0. so those 50 bucks will really help to buy a 144hz monitor instead of a 75hz one.
yea overclock is a loose term there as it comes from the factory that way as a base clock but regardless of "increment" there is a reported 3% difference in performance compared to 10100 on benchmarks
Glad to see a revisit of the 10100f. however, pared with a b560 board you are able to do xmp. Got 16gb running 3200mhz on a 10100 with a b560. Main reason why I did b560 instead of the cheaper H series chipset.
Honestly the 10105F is the best value processor I've ever bought and I'm very happy with it, it cost me $105AUD plus the board $120AUD, I can run Flight Simulator mixed settings 4k at 30fps paired with a 2070S and its perfectly playable. All my other Games run excellent, I'm very happy with it for the money.
Ive built a couple budget gaming pc's with i3's for friends and they were both very pleased. I think I made a 8100 and a 12100 system. The one with the 8100 still hasn't upgraded yet lol
Thank you for this test and review. I was buy i3 10100 for 65 USD from used marked because new one in the store here in Croatia is 131 USD. And it was brand new not even unboxed, and sealed. Then i buy Gigabyte Aorus 590i ITX new from the store, NZXT H210 itx case and i already had GTX 1060 asus dual and PSU 700w for start. Friend of my give me 4gb Fury DDR4 ram just to start the machine and use it till i buy 16gb 3200 ram. Why did i done all this? Because i have in mind since prices are dropping on used market and in general i have in plan to upgrade the CPU to i9 10900 so this will bi good machine even in 5 years later. Im thinking about long run since i did not game games from 2010 i have alot to play of older games, so...its smart :) Cheers metalhead brother! keep good work!
10100 non-f was $45 on Amazon, absolutely fantastic cheap CPU for a NAS system using Intel Quick sync and love how little power this thing uses too especially.
My ex's boy had an i5 3470 with a 1050ti, few months ago i gave him 16gb of ddr4 a b460 mobo "msi mortar" an i3 10100f and gave him an old r9 290x.. The lad is so blown away with his powerful pc.. And I'm happy he's happy. great little cpu.
I'll admit to being one of the edge/nut cases that bought the Strix B660-F. I picked up some OEM ddr5 cheap and went for the 12100F mostly for benchmarking but at 5.3Ghz and 6500 Cl30 it's a little beast in games too! They're will also be plenty used 12th gen CPUs to upgrade/bench with soon.
Great video! After having built a half dozen or so budget type SFF builds for friends and family recently, you can absolutely get a very solid motherboard to pair with the i3-12100F for not too much more than $100 price point. Earlier in the year you had to go with the ASRock H610M-ITX (don't pay more than $120 for this part, ideally $110), but now ASRock has released their B660 ITX part, and it is selling for $120. Normally not an ASRock buyer, but I have been very pleasantly surprised by these mobos. No frills, but they run DDR4 and have integrated wifi which is nice and keep the price down. They are also super easy to quietly cool, making them ideal for SFF builds.
These GPUs will offer slightly to significantly lesser performance depending on the game. Still, that's better value and a hidden rule apparently is 2 GPUs for 1 CPU in terms of lifespan in a PC.
I've been on a 10400 i5 for two years and has been very happy with it. Multitasking and VR is smooth as butter. I'm sure the overclocked 1660 and 32gb of ddr4 helps too 😂
I bought a 10100 for a family minecraft server back when it was new. I was pleased with it as a budget CPU + iGPU option then, and still happy with it now. (though it sucks that Intel threw the 2666 MHz limit on that generation)
I would really love you guys to revisit some of the x299 cpus. they had issues in the past for sure but now that the platform has basically sunsetted i think it's worth comparing to zen 3 and alder/comet lake now that they're cheap and fast ddr4 is easy to get. they aren't a good deal now that alder lake is out but two years ago you could buy a 7940x for the price of a 3600x and x299 is worth giving a second look in that context
I'm on a 10980XE since launch. It definitely has a much better time with games that for some reason love more cores. Barely an overclock on it (4.3Ghz all core). I don't regret going X299 and probably won't be looking at another CPU until 2025. But I barely game, I'm talking about general performance and I do other stuff with it and it works perfectly, and for the few games I play, I don't mind gaming CPUs being faster, it's a difference I don't notice or care about because everything else is great and it can still game. I've had the XE and been on X299 since 2020.
problem is X299 cpus has less than skylake in single thread preformance(IPC), and worse power saving features, so even a 9/10th gen skylake based cosnumer platform will typically send them flying for pure gaming benchmarks. Most games dosnt need 8+ cores or gain notthing from that. So lower power more efficient I5 9600/ I7 8700 and 10100/10400 cpus actually would typically make more sence, than to spend much on X299 outside of productivity. You will pay more + more in energy to run it, + get same or often lower preformance out of the X299 stuff than any (older mid-high range skylake desktop parts).
@@AdaaDK skylake-x has marginally superior IPC to skylake and some cache differences. the reason it's not good for gaming is the memory latency. and its power draw, but if it still performs then it still performs.
X299 should be avoided at all costs due to low IPC and enormous power draw, there are much better budget options available. The CPU's are glorified Xeons with not-so-great gaming performance due to mesh instead of ring bus arch.
100%! It's really hard to get past how good of a buy that is at the new pricing. It was $20-$30 more when we bought it originally and still worth it then!
Its so nice to see AMD doing well, so Intel actually tries and gets their sh*t togheter. When Intel tries, they actually produce some of the best CPUS (q8400,2500k,980x,5930k,10900k and 12900k.)
12900k, dosnt oc without exotic cooling tho, 10900k was endoflife for the platform, and not 2500k level of oc headroom. 5930k was expensive and low(ish) ipc and power hungry, the 980x may have been okey, but its old now and its IPC is worse than even the 2500k´s. I still think the 2500k/3570/2600k/3770k was the only Golden oc chips intel has made in newer times, with MAYBE the 6600k/6700k/7600k/7700k/10600k also being part of that group if you had the rigth board and some crasy cooling. the top line models are squazed to hard for OC headroom, or runs to hot. And the main reason 2500k/2600k/3570k was so good, was the low base/turbo clocks, compared to how high they could oc with a good highend aircooler and a medium priced Z seires board. they could keep cost down, while gain 1000-1200 mhz or in some cases more. Thats nearly unseen today and even the skylakes will struggle since they overheat and have a much higher baseclock to begin with. thats nearly 1000mhz that intel (pre-oced those over the 2500k/3570k´s). the old I7 920 was also golden in oc headroom with its base 2,66ghz being often able to be pushed to 3,8-4ghz range on air/AIO water. But its platform was a lot more expensive compared to the I5 2500k/3570 + board/mem costs.
@@AdaaDK nah. XOC yes you'll need ridiculous cooling, but any OC for daily use should come with an undervolt as well. But even then, overclocking modern hardware really won't do much as they're already overclocked out of the box.
I think that, taking into account these CPUs' pricepoints, it would be interesting to see the differences with an equally "low-budget" (whatever can be considered low nowadays), GPU pairing to see how the margins change.
Super helpful! I would suggest you to add benchmarks of f2p games on the budget cpus/gpus videos because in my experience when helping friends building cheap systems they 99% of the time want to play titles like LoL, earthstone or Genshin Impact and no one from the big tech youtube like you or linus does that. So I have to check from different people that have that benchmark on a laptop because it’s the closest to that low tier cpu I could find
This. Lots of people looking for a budget gaming rig are also looking for budget games. That means a mix of F2P games, indie games, and older games that can bought cheap on Steam or GoG. Obviously a full test suite isn't going to happen, but a look or two at Genshin or LoL would be super helpful for the demographic.
@@madcrowmaxwell so much!!! also console users already spent a big size of their "entertainment" budget on a console + $80 games, they don't have much left for beefy PC or big games (or even know much about the keys/giveaway routes) so focusing on "free but hard to run" games like genshin impact is a must in low budget builds!!
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Great video GN 🥰🤩👍. The Intel 10 series CPUs’ are vg value atm 😇👍 and for those on tight budgets the extra ~$100USD on getting the 12th Gen i3 cpu combo (cpu + ram + mobo) maybe out of reach for many. The 10th Gen still gives an awesome performing budget friendly build 🥰🤩😇 and due to the fact you’re starting with an i3, you can upgrade to a decent 65w part i5/i7…. Possibly i9 down the track when prices fall 😳🤩🤯
It's now down to $60, about $190 with motherboard and ram and i will absolutely be buying it for my son's pc. He mostly just plays roblox and COD so it'll be a cheap upgrade vs the old 4th gen i5 in his system now
A mention is that b560 boards do allow memory oc and to be honest, in Canada at least, its about the same price as a h410, there's an asrock board with a rebate for 89.99 cad compared to 88 for the cheapest h410 board.
The i3-12100F is by far the best entry level gaming CPU. $100 and you can pair it with a $70 H610 board and DDR4-3200. It beats all of AMD's sub $200 CPU's and older Intel CPU's. It also supports PCIe 4.0 and 5.0.
This is basically an i7 of the old. If someone told me few years ago we will be paying less than 100 bux for an i7 I would have asked them what it is that they are smoking. But here we are
Just ordered 10105f and b560 and some ddr4 3200. Will be a good upgrade from ivy bridge and have a decent upgrade path. Started having random USB issues and just jenk, suspect the mobo was on its way out seeing it was bottom of the barrel even when new. Also saving a decent amount reusing case, psu, and storage
Something important to keep in mind if building a budget rig with the 10100 and pairing it with a GPU -- 10100 does not have PCIE 4.0. If building a budget system this leaves pairing it with the RX 6400 (pcie x4 4.0) RX 6500 (pcie x4 4.0) and older 5500 xt 8gb (pcie 4.0 x8) off the table -- because the first two are bottlenecked in pcie 3.0 4x mode, and the latter is bottlenecked by the pcie 3.0 8x mode. Good job amd :facepalms: If aiming for 1080p look to pairing these cards with something like a 1660 super or RX 6600 -- both can be found around $300 on amazon, or go with something older if you really want (1060 6gb, RX 590 8gb) -- an additional note here anything pascal and lower on the nvidia side is not recommended for linux usage, as it has trouble dx12 titles when used with vkd3d in proton/steam play. Your best bet on linux as a starting point on nvidia is the 1650 super or 1660 super.
I just build a 12100f PC recently, I am surprised of how fast this i3 is, I am in love!! i upgraded from an i7 3770 and the difference is night and day, god bless intel 12 gen cpus they are fking good I am happy with my purchase.
I always appreciate the budget analysis side of PC gaming. I think it's important because I still remember when that was my price point. And I also feel like it's one of the advantages of PC gaming compared to other hobbies, as the customizability allows for integration at a lot more price points
Yep copped one for $78 from Amazon for my nephews build with a used 3060 from a friend who mined with it. Perfect budget esports build for fortnite, rocket league…ect.
I appreciate the effort put into catering for low end components in videos. Obviously it makes sense to use high end GPUs here to see the full performance differences in the CPUs, but I think what would also be useful is one or both of: a) a couple of graphs of performance if paired with a price balanced GPU b) linking to a budget build or two with what are reasonably matched components and their performance This would give especially first/second time builders an idea of what they might reasonably expect to see performance wise if they built a balanced system. It's hard to judge from the benchmarks here if all the games used would still be playable, or if the 3080 GPU is propping up the CPU. Again, thanks to the team for providing content which is not only interesting but actually useful in what viewers might actually be purchasing.
Last year I built a budget micro ATX gaming PC for my nephew for when he stays over on weekends and chose the 10100F along with an Asus Prime B560M-A and using some spare parts I had around like a an RX 580 and some 1080p 60Hz monitors. He really only plays modded Minecraft (which can be surprisingly demanding!) and Fortnite on it but it can run both at 60FPS no problem. Overall really happy with it as an away from home PC. Glad the CPU is getting some love, it's a great value.
Im rocking a $91 core i3-10100F RIGHT NOW in my Linux rig. It is amazing for whatever I need it to do or whatever game I want to play when pared with Linux kernel. I might just keep this until I outgrow it completely.
7:06 When considering the price difference, it's more than the $20 for the CPU! The 10400 uses an older (and cheaper!) mobo with the LGA-1200 socket, as opposed to the 12100 with its LGA-1700. So a big difference in overall package price.
I built a H510+10100F+16Gb 2666mHz system for my young adult daughter. She had a GTX 1050ti in her former build, a SSD and HDD, that I carried over to the new system. I put a super cheap EVGA 80+ white 500 watts psu in there, not prolongating the life of the crappy unrared 350W psu she had. It's a very nice budget build. One day, she'll swap the GPU. She can play all her games just fine right now. Her system is snappy.
So many years working with PC's,1.67 mil subscribers,and steve doesnt know b560 has no memory speed restrictions on 10th and 11th gen,i've considered this an serious hardware channel,now i see "PC Builder" didnt knew it either,im really surprised about it since its well known from begin what features b560 chipset had.
Didn't even watch it yet but thanks already. Replaced a 4770K with a 12400/32GB/2080 and it's fast enough for anything the monitor allows. I would like to see a video comparing for example several generations of GPUs across multiple CPU generations just to make clear that (depending on the game) you don't need a 12900KS.
Just to make sure, are you sure that the b560 board don't support 3200 memory speeds on the 10100? I've seen other reviews claim that speed using a b560 allowed the memory speeds to be unlocked despite using the 10100f
B560/H570 both support full memory OC, which are generally cheaper then any 400 series board due to supply. The GN team seem to have forgotten that Intel 10th gen works on 500 series mobos, which makes them pretty lucky that they decided to "randomly" include their default memory testing of 3200C14 as it would've been an unfair test otherwise.
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Question, Why not the I3-10105(f)? its only more expensive by 5 dollars here and sometimes slightly more performant apparently.
I would like you to test a compressor type CPU cooling device that uses gas refrigerant like a freezer in a fridge rather than water cooling. I do know if such a device even exists but that kind of cooling in a all in one CPU cooler has got to be better than the water. I have seen 12 volt compressors for trucks air con. Thanks.
The 3100, 3300X, and, chery on the cake, 4100 :D
tbf, as I said in my own comment below, R5 3600. I mean, what else ? Superbudget on some A320 ( my Asus A320 M-K costed me 35$ )...
And its the CPU that as you 11:47 said - its still relevant ! The universal king of budget PC, probably the most beloved CPU in EU in last 3 years.
( ...and, as Steve from HWunboxed showed us, is pretty close to 5600 in games. Especialy while paired with budget GPU - RX6600XT - which is also the king of budget FPS / $ chart )
Would have liked to have seen 6700K/7700K numbers in this review since the i3-10100F is basically a refreshed version.
It's funny that all the original reviews of this part were down on it because the R3 3300X was better value at the same price...then the AMD part basically ceased to exist at all.
Yep, exactly.
Yeah, though the 3600 pretty quickly dropped to very attractive prices which when considered with the full platform costs and features kinda made anything below it irrelevant.
My theory is that 3300X mainly exist as a real SKU in developing market, and a SKU to get positive review and upsell people 3600 in other countries.
if only AMD made a 5300X that was actually competitive with the i3-12100F
was made from unobtanium
**EDIT 2: Ok, after digging a lot, it appears that B560s from ASUS, MSI, & ASRock all support XMP profiles over 2666 for the 10th gen i3. I've found builds working with Gigabyte Aorus branded B560s as well, and a user in the thread below claims support for the B560M H board as well. So it seems all B560 from these AIBs support XMP over 2666 for the 10th gen i3 CPUs. FYI - All this is pertinent to an upcoming Episode of Boost My Build I filmed yesterday so just wanted to make sure my info was correct.**
OP: My understanding is that at least some B560 boards will allow XMP profiles above 2666 MT for i3 10100. And I also believe even those boards that won't work with the XMP you can manually input the settings from the XMP profile and that should work. Here's a ASRock B560M HDV working with 3600 MT timings: ua-cam.com/video/riEf9YtP8y0/v-deo.html
Here's a MSI B560M Bazooka XMP working with 10105F: ua-cam.com/video/JUckibMFIF4/v-deo.html
Unfortunately I don't currently have a 10100 for any testing to reverify and it's been a long time.
EDIT: A little digging and it seems that MSI, ASRock, & ASUS B560 work with 10th gen i3 XMP over 2666. Seems so far only gigabyte B560 boards have exclusions for the 10th gen i3 parts in the memory specs, but could be undocumented support as well. But check the motherboard specs to be sure.
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@@Dark88Dragon Hello! :)
Gigabyte B560M H allows over 2666 XMP on i3 as well
@@MrSkollll Thanks, their specs only list OC speeds specifically for i5/i7/i9 CPUs and exclude the i3. But I also found evidence that the Aorus branded Gigabyte B560's work with XMP here: ua-cam.com/video/R-_n8KnPqqI/v-deo.html . However the one I'm really interested in is the DS3H, since that one is $60. It lists the same memory spec as the Aorus Pro B560. I'm guessing if the even more cut down H board allows XMP above 2666 then certainly the DS3H should.
10100f + b460 motherboard....
See a 10600k or 10700k at a good price.... Oh I have to buy a z series board to use it properly.
Or 10100f with z 490 motherboard.... Oh look a cheap 10700k etc.... Drops right in. Saved buying another motherboard and the complete pain of changing said motherboard.
Point being you're finding good Z490 boards for not much more than a good b460 board.
The z series option has a greater upgrade path
It’s worth noting that the 10100f can be had for around $65 USD now, that’s what I paid. Compared to the $108 12100f, that’s a 40% increase in cost for a 20-40% increase in performance, further making the case that while the 12100f is the best value, a $40 price difference can pay for you PSU, or allow you to get a better GPU. 10100F is the ultra budget king right now.
not to mention you can also economize in cheaper motherboards, because DAMN, those 12th gen intel motherboards are much more expensive, and there are much more quantity of motherboard that supports 10th gen nowadays, so not only you'll get 40$ more for the processor difference, who knows, you might get like 20-30$ from the motherboard too
One of the things I really appreciate about GN is that, while for some people $20 might be nothing, for others it's _everything_ and couching their recommendations with that in mind is just one more reason I love this channel.
VS Linus Tech tips of "HEY GUYS HERE'S A 10K BUILD" every other month.
@@InvadeNormandy Linus is more for the enthusiast and whack ass builds.
Although his occasional consumer targeted builds are pretty reasonable.
There are worse content creators out there. Snobbing at last gen products and generally discouraging the budget market.
"DONT BUY THE 3050/6600 GUYS BUT A 3070 OR 6800XT INSTEAD BECAUSE THEY GIVE HIGHER FPS AND ONLY COST DOUBLE MORE!!!! WHAT'S THAT A RYZEN 5 3600 IN 2022???? IT WILL BOTTLENECK BECAUSE ITS OLD REGARDLESS IF YOUR PAIRING IT UP WITH A 300$ GPU!!!!"
@@loowick4074 that's so true. Since i don't play any competitive games, getting 60 fps on high settings in 1080p is enough for me. Nowadays 750 or so dollars could get you a nice full setup, I'm talking about PC, peripheral, desk, chair, monitor and all the stuff.
Keeping it real with the budget suggestions. Love it.
i have the 10105f, it's clocked slightly higher than the 10100, it's great for gaming. i paired it with a GTX 1650 OC, and i play Forza horizon 5 on high settings, 1080p 2x msaa @ 60fps
Totally forgot about the 10105F! Good point.
@@GamersNexus its about the same price or cheaper than the 10100f where I live. Oh and b560s allow mem ocs aswell and their as cheap as h410 in Canada at least!
@@haywire9174 Yeah same! Built a budget gaming rig for a pal with the 10105F, was a few euros cheaper than the 10100F. Supply demand and all that... I know this isn't the focus of this channel, but beyond that, 10th gen on the used market is really good value these days. Even 11th gen only relevant CPU, the 11400F, can be found pretty cheap
I paired a 10100f with a 1650S, H570, and 16GB@3733Mhz (I’m a novice at timings CL 22). It chokes on 4K60 Ultra, but I can manage 1440p with medium settings.
@@zeroturn7091 high memory speed for Intel CPUs aren't necessary, it's all about the timings. AMD CPUs benifit from high speed memory
I built a PC in January with a 10100F and it's been great. I see it as a "good enough" threshold. So far it's held 60+fps in every game we've tried, and 60fps is good enough for a great gaming experience. Going from 60fps to anything higher is a very small improvement to the experience, so there's really not much reason to pay any amount extra for it. I'd do it again in a heartbeat if I were to build that PC again.
What’s your gpu? Im planning to buy 10105f i3. And i think I’m going to pair it with rtx 3060. Will the processor bottleneck the gpu?
@@nickcastor1583 When I first built it I had it paired with an RX 6600, which is really close to a 3060. For 1080p I think it's a pretty balanced build. At 1440p the GPU was definitely the bottleneck. Now I've got a 3080 in there that lets me play at 4k. Seems silly to have a 3080 with a i3, but in most newer games the i3 still isn't bottlenecking too much at the higher resolution. Again, it can push out 60+fps, which is kind of the threshold for a good experience.
@@SasquatchComposites many thanks. You cleared everything.
from 60fps to above is a small imrpovement to the experience, AND is a huge downside for your wallet, like, i dont get why people are this obsessed to get 60FPS+ in games that aren't competitive (or where it doesn't matter that much), i was rocking with my 24fps playing zelda BOTW the first time i completed it, and it was a GOOD experience, i enjoyed every bit of that game, i didnt needed 144fps average to enjoy it, so thats why im staying with this entry level i3, and im buying a rx 550 so i can at least enjoy some new titles at 30fps.
and believe me, that IS huge improvement, believe it or not i was having fun in playing spiderman at bare minimum with 800x600 resolution at 10-20fps, i even advanced in story, but sadly it is quite unplayable, i need to get at least 20-30fps in most titles to not have a seizuren lmfao
@@NFYT when u play competitive or u ever played on more than 60 hz u just cant get back to it. The eyes and the brain cant get over it. I just so un smoove that u feeling lost without high framrate and hz
I built my parents a nice computer with a a 10100f and a old 1060 I had laying around. Works great for them.
I got to build a ton of budget $400 gaming PCs with actually okay gpus with the 10100F getting as low as $70 in bulk and okay B460 boards getting a low as $60. It really made addressing that price point possible.
Edit: yes, b560 ram oc exists, but those don't commonly exist at the same b460 price point. And praising pricing is the whole point of the post.
Wow! $70 in bulk is great.
You really don't want B460, though. That locks your RAM down to JEDEC specs (low frequency and high latency). B560 lets you use XMP profiles for a big RAM speed boost.
should get b560,b460 has no ram oc capability
@@madcrowmaxwell right, and when okay B560 boards get to sub $80, they'd be suitable choices. Plus, many of the boards I would get only run pcie 4.0 in the top m.2 slot, and disable it entirely without 11th gen which is just unacceptable compared to running ram at 2666 instead of 3200.
@@joemarais7683 10th gen doesn't support 4.0 anyway. Stepping up to a newer board and getting proper RAM speed and timings even if you still won't get PCI-E 4.0 is probably worth it.
My upgrade from i3 6100 to 10100f was crazy...massive increase in system performance at that moment
Just built a 10100 system for my cousin today and she is more than happy with it.
I used the 10100 in a build for my parents (they badly needed a new pc and decided to get something decent at least).
It's been a great chip for them (light general use, some office work).
They went from some ancient 2C/2T Pentium to this 4C/8T and from 4GB RAM to 16GB Ram) :D
With some nice new peripherals (didn't even have a 1080p monitor...) really shows the lower end stuff has some great uses.
Big yes on doing budget computer builds! I'm sure the GPU would still be tricky but I'd love to see how low you could go on a budget PC while still getting decent performance in games
Using a i3-10105 in my home server and for the price it's a surprisingly capable chip, no complaints at all. Boards are much cheaper than 12 series too.
I always look to previous generations when people who are not the best off ask me for build advice, too many people don't think of others budget when recommending parts and only look at current gen.
So happy to see this video!
its amazing to see actual budget options being "budget" again and not outright garbage.
I would really love to see you guys check the 10100f & 12100f with realistic GPU options, like RX570/80, 1650/Super, 1050ti, 1060, 1660/Super, 1070, RX5600, etc. It would be super helpful for people on a budget and wanting to build a gaming system. Thanks so much for the great content.
Yeah - for someone with less experience, it would be useful to know at what point one'll get bottlenecked on one or the other, so that they don't spend "a bit more" on a part that won't help much while the other part is struggling.
The reason why this GPU is used is to make sure it's a "pure" CPU test, you can basically scale down with each tier
Eg - 80=100 fps 70=80 fps and so on all the way down GPU tiers (example numbers) GPU benchmark can give you %s
My 1070 gets around 70-110 fps on games with a 5800x
When I read "Old", I expected some sort of Xeon from 5 years ago at the very least. A CPU from 2 years ago may as well still be called brand-new.
Ikr. Like we supposed to buy a new cpu every year or something?! XD
It's just insane,console comes out and games are being made for it like for 7 years or more,but hey cpu old 2 years and gpu oh noooo,that is fkn old outdated change it asap,just shows you mentality of today kids.
Now i get it if you are buying parts for pc,and there's not much difference in price old vs new,you should get new (specially if there's huge performance boost) but here's the thing people still recomend ryzen 5 3600 which was released in July 7 2019,but that's not old right?
Yeah weirdos everywhere smh.
It's still brand-new unless if Intel discontinued their production.... Like Coffee Lake (8&9 gen), discontinued 1 day before 2021's Christmas.
There's so called max order date (when it'll get discontinued) and max shipping date (which is stockpiled items/production according to orders)
It's a rebranded i7 7700 with extra features mostly.
@@Spido68_the_spectator but with lower price
I think the i3-10100f is better deal on a budget than the i3-12100f simply for factoring in overall price in motherboard, RAM and ease of access. It is an amazing CPU when it was released considering it performs nearly as well as the i7-7700. It also shows how long-overdue an increased core count was on the high end.
There's less and less reason to go back and buy classic CPUs as strong as Haswell's i7s for a budget system when the i3-10100 exists. It outperforms them all handily while costing not much more, all while being new, even as those parts drop in price.
Wait the 10th gen is "old"... Guess my 8700k is ancient at this point. Honestly even though I have been in IT for 22 years professionally, and basically all my life otherwise, it still blows my mind how fast tech progresses.
I try to build a new PC every 5 to 8 years, with usually a GPU, Memory, and storage upgrade 2 to 4 years into that, depending on how fast the tech is moving. Even at the shorter end of that schedule, it always feels like I build a PC and boom, big leaps happen... But regardless of that, I still love PC's and honestly that constant advancement and growth is what I love (in that bittersweet way) about IT as a whole.
Your i7-8700k is better than the i3-10100F and worth $300+
I bought an i5 10600k and an msi z490 pro mobo for $250 on a bundle deal a year ago and its still far more cpu than I need with a 3080 running 4k.
@@Robbie-mw5uu 300 is the price of a 12700 non k .. The 8700k should go for 80 or 90 these days.
A straight decade of Intel pushing single core performance by 5-10% per generation has done strange things to the PC landscape. Software can't really progress at the speed CPUs are currently progressing because of the absurdly large install base of CPUs which are "practically the same", which all belong to people who got the idea that once you've bought a PC you've bought a PC.... and yes, I'm writing this on my 12 year old coffee-table-laptop.
Dont be harsh on yourself lol, I had a I7 4790
Built my PC with one of these and ended up getting a 3070, works great for me and I haven't experienced any problems with any game I've ever tried. Tons of people don't NEED a bigger CPU
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Nooooo... You need a ryzen 9 atleast with katana rocket motherboard and 32gb ddr5 to balance the 3070!!!!
r/pcmasterrace told me soooooo
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@@loowick4074 Also needs to be RGB ram and have a custom water cooling loop
Also to note - the 10105F exists and is currently cheaper than the 10100F. It's basically the same chip with slightly higher core tuning, though the performance difference is basically irrelevant for a day to day usage perspective. Get whichever is cheaper!
Nice to have someone spell this out, thanks!
In these type of tests it would be interesting to see how an older cpu holds up like the i5-7600k 4c/4t.
mine seems to be still holding up well on my old Z270 Gigabyte Gaming Board.Just upgraded the Ram to 16GB 3600MhZ CL16 , giving it another lease of life.
@@michaelbaldwin5953 Bios mod that bish and drop a 9900K in it.
@@Darkfiberke hello /g/entleman, how are you cooling that ford truck of a cpu?
@@aman28june just a simple coolermaster block...
@@Darkfiberke you do realize 10100f is like 5% shy of a i7 7700....don't think your 2600k oc at 5.1ghz will run any circles around it, won't even come close at all.
Wow, that 12100F is a beast. If I didn't need more cores for some of my applications, it seems like a great upgrade for basically anyone with a computer more than 2 years old.
It basically redefined the 4 core CPU as an actual option for gaming & dismissed the notion that a 6 core CPU was going to be the new minimum.
No. AMD Ryzen 7 2700X the same price on Ebay but with more performance.
Anyone with a 4 year old computer already has a faster CPU. It is not an upgrade at all.
@@Robbie-mw5uu Did you even watch the video? The 12100F decimates the 2700K in nearly all tests. Even the 10100 beats it in most games. Also, I said 2 years, not 4.
@@Robbie-mw5uu it is if you're only interested in single core performance and you dont need more than 8 threads.
If you're coming from a ryzen 1500/1600/ 2200G/ 3200G, the 12100F is obviously an upgrade.
Not everyone will require 12+ thread goodness and you're just wasting CPU cycles and cores (and energy) if you dont utilize the extra.
@@MLWJ1993 given the facr that 6 cores is now the greatest amount on steam, we are in that new era.
2c / 4t only became obsolete a very few years ago.
However they are a better choice for many AAA and simulation games, thanks to the extra compute possible.
4c /8t has a few years ahead and even when obsolete, will remain a good choice as it ages better.
Happy to see coverage on lower end CPUs like this. I started with Sandy/Ivy Bridge i7s then stepped up to an i3 10105 to get on a newer platform. Great value for the money, if you really just want to game.
That is very impressive from Intel. The budget space is cutthroat levels of competitive.
you know what didnt age well Gamers Nexus calling Intel gen 10 and 11 a waste of sand and that PCI gen 4.0 is useless because theirs no NVME,s or M.2,s that use 4.0 speed yet that are 15gbsecond all the way up too 256gb a second and that theirs no GPU,s that use PCIexpress 4.0 either .. well guess what eat your words the 10th and 11th gen CPU,s where actually handy capped due too transfer speeds and if you get a NVME m.2 gen 4 loaded up with windows 10 and games it actaully performs better and faster and allows the chips too use their full potential very snappy and quick . imagine a i3 10100 or better like a i5 11400 with a M.2 nvme 1tb gen 4 , 16gb ram and a Z590 or Z490 plus a RTX 2060 or 3060 blowing everything out of the water Ryzen has in the 5000-6000 lineup isnt that a twist !!!! i guess you can eat your words Tech jesus you have been checkmated and are now offically a waste of sand !!!!
17:33 also, it is not only 20 dollars on the CPU but also the inflated premiums on the 12th gen Motherboards that are around 30$ more than a H510 for example. so in total between cpu and MB there is around a 50$ difference. Thanks for the video, I was planning on building an entry level PC with a 12100f + RX 6600 but I was short on budget and looking at some other benchmarks there is a 10-20 FPS difference in some scenarios with this setup since there is a change from PCIE 40. and 3.0 but that GPU does not suffer that much on PCIE 3.0. so those 50 bucks will really help to buy a 144hz monitor instead of a 75hz one.
I'm still rocking my old 6600k. It's a quad core, but it still goes hard though.
Seems like it might be worth it to try to go b560 for memory speed. Thank goodness Intel unlocked memory overclocking that generation.
Making recommendations from the consumer's POV is why I keep coming back to this channel. Keep up the great content!
I use a 10105 as both my router and NAS box. Couldn't be happier.
I wonder why the 10105f is rarely mentioned. Basically a pre-overclocked 10100f
The actual performance difference is tiny in benchmarks
Pre - overclocked? Meh just a 100 MHz increment
yea overclock is a loose term there as it comes from the factory that way as a base clock but regardless of "increment" there is a reported 3% difference in performance compared to 10100 on benchmarks
Glad to see a revisit of the 10100f. however, pared with a b560 board you are able to do xmp. Got 16gb running 3200mhz on a 10100 with a b560. Main reason why I did b560 instead of the cheaper H series chipset.
B460 also allows XMP.
It's not overclocking, but at least you get to run at rated speeds (within CPU support) and latency.
So good to see that a budget gaming video is even possible to make with GPUs actually somewhat in stock. Keep em coming, and I'll keep watching!
Honestly the 10105F is the best value processor I've ever bought and I'm very happy with it, it cost me $105AUD plus the board $120AUD, I can run Flight Simulator mixed settings 4k at 30fps paired with a 2070S and its perfectly playable. All my other Games run excellent, I'm very happy with it for the money.
Ive built a couple budget gaming pc's with i3's for friends and they were both very pleased. I think I made a 8100 and a 12100 system. The one with the 8100 still hasn't upgraded yet lol
@@MannElite i3's are fantastic value and you don't need expensive boards to slap a system together that can run games.
I just built my first PC around the 10105. It's giving me all the performance I need right now.
Same!
@@my.way.gaming561 What GPU are you using?
@@UnboxerofWorlds rtx 2080 super
@@my.way.gaming561 That's awesome. I've got an RTX 3060.
Thank you for this test and review.
I was buy i3 10100 for 65 USD from used marked because new one in the store here in Croatia is 131 USD. And it was brand new not even unboxed, and sealed. Then i buy Gigabyte Aorus 590i ITX new from the store, NZXT H210 itx case and i already had GTX 1060 asus dual and PSU 700w for start.
Friend of my give me 4gb Fury DDR4 ram just to start the machine and use it till i buy 16gb 3200 ram.
Why did i done all this?
Because i have in mind since prices are dropping on used market and in general i have in plan to upgrade the CPU to i9 10900 so this will bi good machine even in 5 years later.
Im thinking about long run since i did not game games from 2010 i have alot to play of older games, so...its smart :)
Cheers metalhead brother!
keep good work!
10100 non-f was $45 on Amazon, absolutely fantastic cheap CPU for a NAS system using Intel Quick sync and love how little power this thing uses too especially.
I just picked one up for $45 lol, i sold my "old" 2200g for almost twice more. Thank you for this video, just at the right time 😂
My ex's boy had an i5 3470 with a 1050ti, few months ago i gave him 16gb of ddr4 a b460 mobo "msi mortar" an i3 10100f and gave him an old r9 290x.. The lad is so blown away with his powerful pc.. And I'm happy he's happy. great little cpu.
Sometimes the difference is more than $20 due to regional price variation, temporary discounts, availability, hand-me-down partial builds, etc.
I'll admit to being one of the edge/nut cases that bought the Strix B660-F. I picked up some OEM ddr5 cheap and went for the 12100F mostly for benchmarking but at 5.3Ghz and 6500 Cl30 it's a little beast in games too!
They're will also be plenty used 12th gen CPUs to upgrade/bench with soon.
Great video! After having built a half dozen or so budget type SFF builds for friends and family recently, you can absolutely get a very solid motherboard to pair with the i3-12100F for not too much more than $100 price point. Earlier in the year you had to go with the ASRock H610M-ITX (don't pay more than $120 for this part, ideally $110), but now ASRock has released their B660 ITX part, and it is selling for $120. Normally not an ASRock buyer, but I have been very pleasantly surprised by these mobos. No frills, but they run DDR4 and have integrated wifi which is nice and keep the price down. They are also super easy to quietly cool, making them ideal for SFF builds.
I would actually like to see these pair with a reasonable gpu, like a 3050/3060/6600
reasonable GPU are like Intel Arc, nothing but legend now.
These GPUs will offer slightly to significantly lesser performance depending on the game.
Still, that's better value and a hidden rule apparently is 2 GPUs for 1 CPU in terms of lifespan in a PC.
I've been on a 10400 i5 for two years and has been very happy with it. Multitasking and VR is smooth as butter. I'm sure the overclocked 1660 and 32gb of ddr4 helps too 😂
I bought a 10100 for a family minecraft server back when it was new. I was pleased with it as a budget CPU + iGPU option then, and still happy with it now. (though it sucks that Intel threw the 2666 MHz limit on that generation)
I would really love you guys to revisit some of the x299 cpus. they had issues in the past for sure but now that the platform has basically sunsetted i think it's worth comparing to zen 3 and alder/comet lake now that they're cheap and fast ddr4 is easy to get. they aren't a good deal now that alder lake is out but two years ago you could buy a 7940x for the price of a 3600x and x299 is worth giving a second look in that context
I'm on a 10980XE since launch. It definitely has a much better time with games that for some reason love more cores. Barely an overclock on it (4.3Ghz all core). I don't regret going X299 and probably won't be looking at another CPU until 2025. But I barely game, I'm talking about general performance and I do other stuff with it and it works perfectly, and for the few games I play, I don't mind gaming CPUs being faster, it's a difference I don't notice or care about because everything else is great and it can still game. I've had the XE and been on X299 since 2020.
The channel the good old gamer is making videos about some of those cpus
problem is X299 cpus has less than skylake in single thread preformance(IPC), and worse power saving features, so even a 9/10th gen skylake based cosnumer platform will typically send them flying for pure gaming benchmarks. Most games dosnt need 8+ cores or gain notthing from that. So lower power more efficient I5 9600/ I7 8700 and 10100/10400 cpus actually would typically make more sence, than to spend much on X299 outside of productivity. You will pay more + more in energy to run it, + get same or often lower preformance out of the X299 stuff than any (older mid-high range skylake desktop parts).
@@AdaaDK skylake-x has marginally superior IPC to skylake and some cache differences. the reason it's not good for gaming is the memory latency. and its power draw, but if it still performs then it still performs.
X299 should be avoided at all costs due to low IPC and enormous power draw, there are much better budget options available. The CPU's are glorified Xeons with not-so-great gaming performance due to mesh instead of ring bus arch.
Man the 12100f is a pretty sweet deal
100%! It's really hard to get past how good of a buy that is at the new pricing. It was $20-$30 more when we bought it originally and still worth it then!
@@GamersNexus what if i use 10100 with 11th gen budget mobo, it supports 3200 MT/s speed.
@@ivanmascot No
@@sandE69 yes
@@ivanmascot support but can't reach 3200
My mom is using a intel 6700 and a 1080, still rocking like a champ, and doesn't see much need to do anything about it.
I dropped one of these on H510 mobo and gave it to my sister in law for her school work. She is a teacher. I have heard no complaints.
Its so nice to see AMD doing well, so Intel actually tries and gets their sh*t togheter. When Intel tries, they actually produce some of the best CPUS (q8400,2500k,980x,5930k,10900k and 12900k.)
Don’t forget the 4770
12900k, dosnt oc without exotic cooling tho, 10900k was endoflife for the platform, and not 2500k level of oc headroom. 5930k was expensive and low(ish) ipc and power hungry, the 980x may have been okey, but its old now and its IPC is worse than even the 2500k´s. I still think the 2500k/3570/2600k/3770k was the only Golden oc chips intel has made in newer times, with MAYBE the 6600k/6700k/7600k/7700k/10600k also being part of that group if you had the rigth board and some crasy cooling. the top line models are squazed to hard for OC headroom, or runs to hot. And the main reason 2500k/2600k/3570k was so good, was the low base/turbo clocks, compared to how high they could oc with a good highend aircooler and a medium priced Z seires board. they could keep cost down, while gain 1000-1200 mhz or in some cases more. Thats nearly unseen today and even the skylakes will struggle since they overheat and have a much higher baseclock to begin with. thats nearly 1000mhz that intel (pre-oced those over the 2500k/3570k´s). the old I7 920 was also golden in oc headroom with its base 2,66ghz being often able to be pushed to 3,8-4ghz range on air/AIO water. But its platform was a lot more expensive compared to the I5 2500k/3570 + board/mem costs.
@@AdaaDK nah. XOC yes you'll need ridiculous cooling, but any OC for daily use should come with an undervolt as well.
But even then, overclocking modern hardware really won't do much as they're already overclocked out of the box.
Would replace 10900K with 9900K
Was Haswell-E great back then?
I've been gaming on 10100f for a minute.. it's a value beast! but I also enjoy driving a Camry..
I think that, taking into account these CPUs' pricepoints, it would be interesting to see the differences with an equally "low-budget" (whatever can be considered low nowadays), GPU pairing to see how the margins change.
Super helpful!
I would suggest you to add benchmarks of f2p games on the budget cpus/gpus videos because in my experience when helping friends building cheap systems they 99% of the time want to play titles like LoL, earthstone or Genshin Impact and no one from the big tech youtube like you or linus does that. So I have to check from different people that have that benchmark on a laptop because it’s the closest to that low tier cpu I could find
This. Lots of people looking for a budget gaming rig are also looking for budget games. That means a mix of F2P games, indie games, and older games that can bought cheap on Steam or GoG. Obviously a full test suite isn't going to happen, but a look or two at Genshin or LoL would be super helpful for the demographic.
@@madcrowmaxwell so much!!!
also console users already spent a big size of their "entertainment" budget on a console + $80 games, they don't have much left for beefy PC or big games (or even know much about the keys/giveaway routes) so focusing on "free but hard to run" games like genshin impact is a must in low budget builds!!
Perfect video for me, I'm currently looking at these older i3 cpu's for a DIY nas build.
I wanted to review some products I got from the GN store, but I can't seem to find a way to do so. So here I am on your latest video since my coasters, pint glass, and mouse mat arrived. In short, you guys are doing fantastic! The coasters are exactly as pictured, the mouse pad is beautiful and high quality, and the glasses are pristine. Not only that, but I had them shipped to Okinawa Japan because military. You guys packed it so that despite the large dent in the box courtesy of military postal workers, everything was undamaged. You guys are doing great and after the relief opening the box to undamaged items, I felt the need to make it known.
Got a 10100f today for $59.99.
Great video GN 🥰🤩👍. The Intel 10 series CPUs’ are vg value atm 😇👍 and for those on tight budgets the extra ~$100USD on getting the 12th Gen i3 cpu combo (cpu + ram + mobo) maybe out of reach for many. The 10th Gen still gives an awesome performing budget friendly build 🥰🤩😇 and due to the fact you’re starting with an i3, you can upgrade to a decent 65w part i5/i7…. Possibly i9 down the track when prices fall 😳🤩🤯
It's now down to $60, about $190 with motherboard and ram and i will absolutely be buying it for my son's pc. He mostly just plays roblox and COD so it'll be a cheap upgrade vs the old 4th gen i5 in his system now
A mention is that b560 boards do allow memory oc and to be honest, in Canada at least, its about the same price as a h410, there's an asrock board with a rebate for 89.99 cad compared to 88 for the cheapest h410 board.
Happy to see GN finally fully transition to the LTT-style thumbnails
My i5 7400 is still kickin 🥲👍
The i3-12100F is by far the best entry level gaming CPU. $100 and you can pair it with a $70 H610 board and DDR4-3200. It beats all of AMD's sub $200 CPU's and older Intel CPU's. It also supports PCIe 4.0 and 5.0.
Good for you, the 10105f is 100usd over here, and 12100f is 130usd
It is always nice to see these revisit reviews.
still rockin 10105F + 4133 C18 2x8GB and its all good, and if you dont know now you know fellas
This is basically an i7 of the old. If someone told me few years ago we will be paying less than 100 bux for an i7 I would have asked them what it is that they are smoking. But here we are
Just ordered 10105f and b560 and some ddr4 3200. Will be a good upgrade from ivy bridge and have a decent upgrade path. Started having random USB issues and just jenk, suspect the mobo was on its way out seeing it was bottom of the barrel even when new. Also saving a decent amount reusing case, psu, and storage
You could go for i3 12100f ???
@@chaitanya9105 the motherboards are expensive
Something important to keep in mind if building a budget rig with the 10100 and pairing it with a GPU -- 10100 does not have PCIE 4.0. If building a budget system this leaves pairing it with the RX 6400 (pcie x4 4.0) RX 6500 (pcie x4 4.0) and older 5500 xt 8gb (pcie 4.0 x8) off the table -- because the first two are bottlenecked in pcie 3.0 4x mode, and the latter is bottlenecked by the pcie 3.0 8x mode. Good job amd :facepalms: If aiming for 1080p look to pairing these cards with something like a 1660 super or RX 6600 -- both can be found around $300 on amazon, or go with something older if you really want (1060 6gb, RX 590 8gb) -- an additional note here anything pascal and lower on the nvidia side is not recommended for linux usage, as it has trouble dx12 titles when used with vkd3d in proton/steam play. Your best bet on linux as a starting point on nvidia is the 1650 super or 1660 super.
RX 5500 XT isn't gonna be too penalized, as shown by the experiments on RTX 3050 (PCIe 4.0 x8)
Just got a 10105 for a low-powered home server build, and the whole thing idles at 20W. Very happy with the "old" i3
I just build a 12100f PC recently, I am surprised of how fast this i3 is, I am in love!! i upgraded from an i7 3770 and the difference is night and day, god bless intel 12 gen cpus they are fking good I am happy with my purchase.
recently bought this cpu from an old i5 4670 which died. Does everything I want it to do and has low power usage. No regrets!
I always appreciate the budget analysis side of PC gaming. I think it's important because I still remember when that was my price point. And I also feel like it's one of the advantages of PC gaming compared to other hobbies, as the customizability allows for integration at a lot more price points
Thanks! I got this a year or so ago, does great.
Yep copped one for $78 from Amazon for my nephews build with a used 3060 from a friend who mined with it. Perfect budget esports build for fortnite, rocket league…ect.
This was also on a z390 tomahawk ($140) so it’ll be perfect if he decides to upgrade to a higher end cpu later down the road.
If you would have included the Ryzen 3 4100, you would have had to find a new term for "embarrassing" cause that thing - for 100€ - truly is
I think that thing has less L3 cache than my decade old i7-4700MQ which is one of the most legendary old laptop chips released.
10100 (and 10100F) do get XMP support on (at least some) B560 mobos. I built one for my girlfriend, and it's running 3200MT/s just fine.
I appreciate the effort put into catering for low end components in videos. Obviously it makes sense to use high end GPUs here to see the full performance differences in the CPUs, but I think what would also be useful is one or both of:
a) a couple of graphs of performance if paired with a price balanced GPU
b) linking to a budget build or two with what are reasonably matched components and their performance
This would give especially first/second time builders an idea of what they might reasonably expect to see performance wise if they built a balanced system. It's hard to judge from the benchmarks here if all the games used would still be playable, or if the 3080 GPU is propping up the CPU.
Again, thanks to the team for providing content which is not only interesting but actually useful in what viewers might actually be purchasing.
been using this cpu for a year now and is great for those games that dont utilise a heap of multithreading!
Last year I built a budget micro ATX gaming PC for my nephew for when he stays over on weekends and chose the 10100F along with an Asus Prime B560M-A and using some spare parts I had around like a an RX 580 and some 1080p 60Hz monitors. He really only plays modded Minecraft (which can be surprisingly demanding!) and Fortnite on it but it can run both at 60FPS no problem. Overall really happy with it as an away from home PC. Glad the CPU is getting some love, it's a great value.
Im rocking a $91 core i3-10100F RIGHT NOW in my Linux rig. It is amazing for whatever I need it to do or whatever game I want to play when pared with Linux kernel. I might just keep this until I outgrow it completely.
Dang you got my OCD buzzin...clean those CPUs of the thermal paste man! ;)
dude you are so to the point , i like your videos💥
Saw this, then went to amazon and found a used one for $39 from amazon warehouse. Immediately checked out.
7:06 When considering the price difference, it's more than the $20 for the CPU! The 10400 uses an older (and cheaper!) mobo with the LGA-1200 socket, as opposed to the 12100 with its LGA-1700. So a big difference in overall package price.
Thank you for including the Intel Pentium 12th gen
That really helped me in my decision making
I built a H510+10100F+16Gb 2666mHz system for my young adult daughter. She had a GTX 1050ti in her former build, a SSD and HDD, that I carried over to the new system.
I put a super cheap EVGA 80+ white 500 watts psu in there, not prolongating the life of the crappy unrared 350W psu she had.
It's a very nice budget build. One day, she'll swap the GPU.
She can play all her games just fine right now. Her system is snappy.
I am very grateful for the content posted.
I would like to know your opinion about the Montech Sky One case, what do you think of this case?.
12100 iGPU works just fine powering my 90's mame arcade 😊
So many years working with PC's,1.67 mil subscribers,and steve doesnt know b560 has no memory speed restrictions on 10th and 11th gen,i've considered this an serious hardware channel,now i see "PC Builder" didnt knew it either,im really surprised about it since its well known from begin what features b560 chipset had.
When talking about budget CPU/GPU I like to see a slide for "All Game Average $/FPS" chart.
eyyyy this is the cpu I'm using right now actually! I got it when 11th gen first came out and it has held up great since!
Great vid and keep it up!
And here i am using my old 1600x, happy as all hell.
old cpu's-8320fx 3.5ghz 8c8t still rockin it!
Didn't even watch it yet but thanks already. Replaced a 4770K with a 12400/32GB/2080 and it's fast enough for anything the monitor allows.
I would like to see a video comparing for example several generations of GPUs across multiple CPU generations just to make clear that (depending on the game) you don't need a 12900KS.
16:14 You can literally see it.
Thanks Steve.
My daughters rigs have 10100F's. 8 and 10 years old. Will be upgrading them to 10600's this Christmas. Along with 3060's to replace RX570's
I have no clue why but the slow zoom on the chip by the plant was really artistic? Seems like a random background but it worked great! Lmao 🤣
Just to make sure, are you sure that the b560 board don't support 3200 memory speeds on the 10100? I've seen other reviews claim that speed using a b560 allowed the memory speeds to be unlocked despite using the 10100f
B560/H570 both support full memory OC, which are generally cheaper then any 400 series board due to supply. The GN team seem to have forgotten that Intel 10th gen works on 500 series mobos, which makes them pretty lucky that they decided to "randomly" include their default memory testing of 3200C14 as it would've been an unfair test otherwise.
Just built a rig for my son with this and rx 570 4gb. Awesome system that handles everything he plays at 1080 60 frames