Historian Heather Cox Richardson on Parallels Between the 1850s and the Present Day
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2024
- Historian Heather Cox Richardson details pre-Civil War American history from the 1850s and the parallels that she sees between that time and the present day.
Richardson was joined by journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones and moderator Jonathan Capehart at The Connecticut Forum, "Reflections on a Complex America," on October 24, 2024 in Hartford, CT.
Amazing perspective. I could listen to her for hours!
Did she mention that in the 1850s chattal slavery was legal in many states?
She has a fantastic daily email newsletter. Unlike so much, I actually feel like my understanding of our history grows when I read her work.
@@yvonneplant9434, yes.
She has a podcast where she reads her newsletter, which I really like.
We need to know the history. We also need to learn to have conversations about these difficult subjects across our divisions.
Here, here!
You can't have an intelligent conversation with an unintelligent person
Absolutely! We the PEOPLE must come together in our own communities, from which everything begins politically. We must be active, and actually listen to each other.
Been following HCR and reading her Letters From An American daily since the 2020 election. Love her honesty and perspective!
A friend of mine shared her with me earlier this year. And I'm so thankful as it's given me hope and helping me remain sane while I learn things I didn't know.
This is so Important to always remember History! Such a Great Conversation! Thank you Everyone
Women will save us, our grandmothers, aunts, sisters, & cousins..........
What is the responsibility of the men in all of this?
@@Narrow-PatherMAGA men. Stay home.
@@Narrow-Pather(they're too busy chasing hamburgers, cheap gas, and......)
Right. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Kari Lake and Laura Loomer. Got it.
Save you from what?
The final straw which caused the massive anti-slavery vote that had come together in 1856 for the Republican Party and Fremont, and finally sweep the north in the 1858 mid-term Congressional elections, was when the Supreme Court and Chief Justice Tawny finally allowed what was virtually unlimited slavery, even in the Northern States, with the Dred Scott decision. And the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act (passed at the top of southern political dominance, along with the Kansas Nebraska Act), which forcibly "enslaved" white northerners, who could be forced to be called up and serve as unpaid white "slaves" and forcibly "deputized" to catch supposed runaway black slaves, under the threat of jail if they refused.
HCR..Always good stuff. Sane, intelligent
perspective
Beautifully said. Your words give me hope. 🙏💜🙏
Got goosebumps! Things will change right here, right now!
We reached the critical mass of knowledge & consciousness!
We reached that a long time ago, but then fools started believing that God doesn't exist and men can become women.
Yes! Me, too!
Thanks HCR for your view and 10-year review of past events.
I will persevere and continue to pray for the future of our nation.
Thank you. Serious history, just right amount of humor...sweetens and moistens dryness.
This is what should be taught in schools ... and taught in Elementary Schools as well! This is the root of what would follow in this country regarding race. This is what the fearful want to stop from being taught. I'm so glad Heather Cox Richardson is out there. She's doing so much good, I believe.
False.
@@MichaelDamianPHD Ah, very clever. You respond with a one word comment and it covers not only my opinion but the fact that I'm glad Heather Cox Richardson is out there. And there's a PhD included in your handle here, so right away we're to assume you are smart enough to know better. But this is where you get clever ... if you really had a PhD, you'd know that an opinion can't be false and all that I offered was opinion. You'd also know that the term "I believe" indicates a belief/opinion and not a fact.
PS: this is a great example of why education, especially at the lower levels, is so important!
@@lifecloud2 Nonsense. Your original comment was nothing more than an assertion without evidence, thus it falls easily to Hitchen's Razor and @MichaelDamianPHD was justified in his response.
HCR gets the essence of her comparison *completely* backwards. Her comparisons are not just patently absurd, but they're apples to oranges. She fundamentally misunderstands the current political realignment.
Oh Heather. Always good to hear you and your long perspective. We are all only custodians of hope, and to keep the flame going until right returns.
I subscribe to Heather Cox Richardson's column, but this is the first time I' have heard her speak. This lady has her stuff in a bag. This next 4 years will reveal the true amount of hatred and cruelty that is the core of the Republican Party. Richardson's perspective here offers some ray of hope with it looking like the GOP will have the presidency and control of both Houses of Congress.
She offers fantasy and propaganda. Your stories of hate and cruelty are just so much hysterical nonsense
@@MichaelDamianPHD - Really? Ask the little children Trump separated from their parents at the border who they have not been able to reunite as a family all these years later. How about telling a Gold Star wife on the phone that her dead husband who died in service to the nation that "he knew what he signed up for"?
"Heartless bastard" doesn't quite cover it when it comes to Trump. No sympathy, no empathy... for anyone but himself.
@@MichaelDamianPHDYou’re just trolling for responses. 👎
This is incredibly reassuring, especially on the heels of this election.
Dr Richardson, you give me hope, the kind of hope that strengthens the fight
Heather once more demonstrates that listening to History is far more valid than accepting the inevitability of wealth driven power.
HCR is absolutely brilliant!
Really enjoy Heather's perspectives, I subscribe to her daily email/newsletter. That said, I'm not sure drawing parallels with history from the mid-1800's or even mid-1900's for that matter are really relevant [and can provide any sense of "comfort" in the sense that "we've been here before and will get through this"] to what's happening today. We are living in a time where information travels around the globe in seconds, plus there are so many sources of information that bombard us daily, sadly much of it misinformation or just plain lies and fabrication. All this clouds people's judgement and decision making. Politicians nowadays are rarely in it for altruistic reasons and to be public servants for the common good, they are in it for the power, influence, money and ego boost, the compromises and coming together for the common good Heather alluded to, will never happen in today's political environment.
Really appreciate this video. Americans need to hear this history, and the rest of the world needs to know there are still some sane Americans
That’s helpful, and hopeful. Thanks!
Always an enjoyable listen.
God bless historians!
The ones that speak *truths* when discussing history.💯We're currently living in the age of denial and censorship concerning U.S. history. 💔
@@Narrow-Pather
Europeans discovered a vast wilderness and transformed it into the most powerful nation on earth.
US history in a nutshell.
Most are to the left of the Lenin.
Amazing wealth of knowledge she is. Just to be clear, though, who was a Republican or a Democrat in the 1850s and 60s is completely different today.
And is changing again...something Richardson never addresses
Yes, I’m sure there are many who are confused in the parts where she mentioned Democrats. Democrats in that day were the conservative, racist white Southerners. Republicans were of course the progressives.
Always worth the read and listen!
It would be like climbing Everest naked, but repealing the 2010 "Citizens United" supreme court ruling would move needle back towards fuller democracy.
I'll believe it when I see it!
Fascinating analysis from a brilliant scholar. Here's hoping (and working toward) the return of government of the people, by the people, and for the people is on the horizon.
Needed to hear this. Thanks
That meeting at the boarding house should be a period political thriller movie😮
It's always darkest before the dawn.
Outstanding! HR 20
Brilliant analysis.
Yup, and then we had the most brutal war in our history.
Really…? Thanks, Captain Obvious
Heather is so educated!!
There isn't necessarily a conflict between protecting property & acting for the good of ordinary Americans. IF we understand that there are rights to PUBLIC as well as PRIVATE property that should be respected, we will ensure that everyone has some income separate from wages, investment income and inheritance. We should make industries pay money to the people when pollution is emitted, resources depleted or wildlife habitat destroyed. If random polls show that most people think there should be more effort put toward reducing particular kinds of harmful impacts on the environment, the associated fees should be raised. The change would cause corporations to try harder to reduce the harm, & would affect consumers' buying decisions.
It won't be happening any time soon now that the election results are in.
the parallel is well taken.
that the US, in the decade from 1853 to 1863 had to enter into the bloodiest conflict
it has ever had to endure, and that, at the end of 1863, was uncertain if it would conclude in the
justice it eventually did, should be factored into her message of hope.
i fear that there are those in the US who are desperate to engage in another such conflict.
those who couch their fear in much the same language, and for much the same unreasoned reasons.
the Civil War was a war fought by millions of young men to preserve, either the old planter aristocracy,
or protect the new industrial aristocrats, and was couched in terms of a certain kind of "freedom", by both sides.
that is also the way that the new cultural divide is being fabricated.
freedom for me, but not for thee, if you will.
Fascinating and engaging
Parallel, but infinitely diverse unity-connection, which requires this historical knowledge to compare trends, and still uncertainty trumps.
She didn’t talk about the contribution that Kansans made in Bleeding Kansas. Missouri slave proponents tried through armed action take over the Kansas governance. Kansans fought back and helped save the abolitionist cause.
Much can be said about these border conflicts leading into the civil war for sure. Hardly ever discussed and important even today.
Kansas standing firm also blocked the Great Plains from. becoming slave holding states. Leaving the slave holders in the CSA with little/no market for the huge excess labor holdings of 4+ million enslaved persons. Post war migration Northward was stunning, the abuse of sharecroppers and poor white Southerners was followed closely by the rise of KKK, Jim Crow laws and other misuses of the Constitution to continue the use of prisoners as unpaid labor. I'm not familiar of the description, other than incarcerated/ enslaved.
A world’s HEROINE ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Emily dickinson? Wow small world nothing new Under the Sun
I am sorry we ( people & the Earth) does not have ten years
Ha! And this was before the election of 11/5/24. More hopeful and important than ever.
It was a little earlier than where she started, but there was that time that the group of Southern senators threatened secession if President Zachary Taylor didn't cater to their designs on New Mexico. Taylor threatened to put his uniform back on, lead the military himself, and hang any rebels he caught. From what I've read, he meant it.
Former Guy has brought up President McKinley and tariffs. I'd be curious to hear her take on the bigger picture there, as well as a reminder as to what happened to McKinley and what prompted Leon Czolgosz to seek him out.
I think to understand the impact of tariffs in US history, they caused American Revolution and the caused increased tensions that led to both world wars.
Fascinating
We are in a period of re- visiting 1776 and the 'founding' of the U.S.- going over the laws, norms, finances, gender biases, etc. that were established to see how its working. Thats why its all being torn open and examined. Too much crime and not enough community ruins lives, like it did then and 300 years later we SHOULD KNOW BETTER. We arent any more civilized than they were, and thats a problem. Numerology dictates when these eras will repeat, and until 2030 we will be going thru it. Sanity WILL prevail eventually
LMAO....
That would depend on what you call sanity. The current agenda of politics is about taking the U.S. back to where many don't want to go, and moving us forward into a Theocracy of scriptural manipulations that have little if anything to do with what The Bible actually says.
Numerology doesn’t dictate anything to a free people, they make their own destiny.
Interesting remarks. I'm most intrigued by your first revisiting statement. Useful.
Thought when permitted gets so complicated... but I hope it prevails again...
Do people see the difference between Hannah-Jones and Richardson? Richardson knows history. Hannah Jones has more feelings and unsubstantiated conclusions than facts about a small piece of history.
She actually needs to do a deeper dive into the motives of Dick Chaney before she kisses him on the lips.
The first bit of hope I’ve heard in the last 10 days…
Which part of the ten years does she see us in?
Thanks. There is a newer historical theory out that every couple of generations the US has gone through a major and shrill reordering of its political approach to itself and the world. E.G., a political donnybrook. Depending on who you listen to, there have been between 5-8 of these so far, making the current one either the 6th or the 9th. Political groups move around in affiliations, hyperbolically call for attention and sometimes act violently as in the 60's or the Civil War. Some have been 'shallow' simply rearranging their affiliations. Others have been 'deep' reflecting major structural political, social and economic changes. The US is currently going through another. And I'm beginning to see attention fatigue as I did at the end on the 60's/early 70's such event.
So, 1850 is your parallel to now? I guess civil war is right around the corner.
An extremely optimistic and unrealistic POV. The World, America, politics and society is sooooooo different it doesn't bear comparison.
America, don't shrug your shoulders and trust or leave it to the politicians - power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is the kind of cultural syncretism Umberto Eco warned about as a sign of fascism.
Hand recount ‼️
Please.
Kitchenaid if you're working with low income & disabled crowds or we all get left out.
Thank you!
If you are on the same side as Dick Cheney you really should examine your motives...
history is all about Power , Money & Sex … in ANY time period
Black men this must be a wake up call...is the orange man gonna look out for you? And am a black man.
What you have just said means nothing today, Heather.
The world hopes.
1853
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Boysenberry, acai berry or gnomes and mushrooms. I WILL answer
doubt
5:27 they keep paying they're way back to trying again... my life perspective... only war stops them ;-( but we'll see . I'm 58 tjoight I was gonna stay strong till I hit 50 then it dwindled fast and my youth was wasted as my time on a good company was erased gone. Now a pizza driver :-(
There is an underlying paradigmatic foundational problem going on right now that limits or constrains the use of the past for too many lessons. In the macro, there will be correlations and similarities because the affected population is humans...looking at humans...within their own understanding of themselves...dualistic and flawed intrinsically.
What's the difference now and paradigmatic in nature? We've been analog creatures since we evolved. Oh, let's say a few million years. It is all we know and it permeates our existence in ways we cannot comprehend or fathom. But if you had to put a date on it, I'd say we became different creatures in June of 2007 and the introduction of the iPhone. And, we are not adjusting very well.
We are now analog creatures in a digital world of our own creation and even creating artificial intelligences. AND, Moore's law is in play... You wanna talk about being in over your head... The clever ape has created a boomerang not realizing it wiThe transition from our original past of getting up in the morning and killing something so we could live to see the morrow is now complete. The industrial revolution was just practice. Luddites were just a harbinger. This transition will either lift us to the heavens or throw us down and destroy us although in reality, it will be us doing it to ourselves. Frankly at this point I'd say the probabilities strongly favor the latter and not the former... The clever ape may just finally find its match and it will be in the mirror.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm fairly educated and I read books, and while I agree with most of what Ms Cox Richardson details, she never seems to add new analysis from what has been generally gleaned by consensus academia. I find myself having to be excessively patient waiting for some nugget of new information which never seems to materialize. Does speaking slowly and dragging out the history lessons make her seem more credible? Is she solely speaking to the under-educated? She seems to have a wide following, but like Beau of the Fifth Column, I never learn anything and the discussions seem almost remedial. To me, they seem like they're saying the wrong things to the wrong people, if they really want to support the values they espouse. You can't educate people out of lying to themselves. But you can teach everyone else how to police the liars, how to deny them society and services, and how to threaten their ways of life, permanently. Those behaviors have to be culled if society is to survive, and neither education nor re-education works against anti-social self-deceit. Only force.
What about Palestine?
I'm a woman who lives in a mostly Republican-voting county. Lincoln the lawyer used to ride his old nags outside my door on his way to the courthouse before he became President. I grew up here loving all Americans. Democrats run Illinois. Chicago has outsized influence. I fear big city people have contempt for and fear of people who live "downstate." However, foreigners/newcomers seem to have no preconceived notions, move right in, start businesses and new lives. They haven't been propagandized for decades like my fellow Americans have been. Business is good for the woman in a hijab and her husband who just opened a store here. She's not afraid to be alone at work, she said. She called me honey. People from India and elsewhere thrive here. American Republicans I know are extreme only in hospitality.
In other words you’re saying that you’d vote for a traitor and his despicable followers because everything’s all Kumbaya in your little corner of the country.
@@deirdre108 nailed it! The OP shows intentionally block-headed poor-me toned b.s. trying to flip the script on what type of demographic of white americans fears the other type of whites, and in reality it's opposite of her case, ie in reality, rural fear the city wild sacrreligous liberals! What a joke. I've seen many many conservatives in the most liberal cities like DC and Seattle. These country folks have zero clue, and the actual numbers have almost as many conservatives often in cities than in rural. As for treatment of immigrants, i have deep personal experience w/ the topic and i can assure everyone that for most part, immigrants who've gone to rural towns/cities are nowhere nearly as comfortable for several reasons than in cities. A few who stick to their own like some south asians and some koreans and chinese, sure. But largely her stereotype isn't valid at all
It was the same at the trucker convoy in Ottawa a few years ago. The media and left-wing politicians were screaming about hate but on the ground at the actual convoy, everyone was welcoming, decent, and human.
Hospitality valued over knowledge
Don't correct anyone. That's inhospitable.
I think small-town people are not used to being called out. There is a reason they're hiding away in small towns. They are too egotistical to bear having their thinking challenged in a demanding environment.
40 of Trump's 44 former cabinet members refused to endorse him. Somehow 71M were arrogant enough to think they knew better.
@@citytrees1752 Reminds me of bikers that talk about how they're so misjudged and they'd sacrifice themselves for others so readily, but meanwhile at Sturgis 2020 they were spitting in each others' mouths to prove their macho and defiance, followed shortly thereafter by a surge in Covid deaths in the Midwest. Two years later, the Sturgis crowd are boasting how they helped a kid raise money for some medical cause -- having themselves so much to live down.
She ignores what the KS-NE act actually said. NE, IOWA, CA, lots of.Western States didn't have slavery, and there was A LOT of disagreement in KS.
Shocker. So what's the point of this conversation to tell us what that was something we already know. To do something are you going to accomplish is there a point to this conversation or is it just us talk talk talk talk and debate. Cuz that's what led us here in the first place weak Democrats
But its been nine years and it's so much worse
The drawing of parallels is easy. Most are incorrect because the conditions within the two eras are so vastly different. So, if there is no civil war in America in 2035, can we stop listening to all these catastrophizers?
The mood in America changed overnight last night from doom and gloom to excitement for the future. Ordinary people now believe things will get better for them.
~55% of American adults read below the 6th-grade level. This makes them easy to manipulate.
One type of Republican falls within this category, and would be engaging in a Luddite Rebellion if not for being deliberately distracted by a fake culture war. Another type loves Ayn Rand and anyone else who defends their neglect and sadism, and thinks the first type deserves everything that’s coming to it.
Pawns in the game are not victims of chance.
40 of his 44 former cabinet members refused to endorse him. Somehow 71M were arrogant enough to think they knew better.
Grocery shoppers: Now grocery prices will finally go down because the GOP is the party that blocks anti-price-gouging legislation. Wait...
No we don’t.
Astrologically we are having a repeat cycle. That is one of the things astrology shows us. In a literal way.
A major difference women couldn’t vote 🗳️ in the 1850’s 😉
Millions of women just lost a fundamental right over their own lives.
this didn't age well.
How so? I didn't take her to be making a prediction about the election we just had.
This goes off the tracks at 5:37. There is nothing extreme about wanting a border, wanting self inflicted inflationary pressures removed, wanting sensible foreign policy. The people want a competent, confident president who is clear on more than one issue. This clip starts out as an excellent history lesson then evolves into a false connection. It takes a legitimate, monumental history lesson and uses it to mislead.
Historians like her need to check their bias.
Trump is the one who ordered the GOP to kill the bipartisan border bill that EVERYONE wanted.
Biden has expanded NATO. That is common sense versus trump bowing to any dictator who flatters his fragile ego.
Agreed. It’s why it’s impossible to be a contemporary historian because of emotional bias.
Notice how she showed little to no emotion when speaking of events in the 1850s, but immediately shifted from a historian to a Twitter user when discussing the current political climate?
What issue today is analogous to slavery? I fail to see one and your argument breaks down at the very beginning.
There are none so blind as those that will not see. Johnathan Swift
Now that trump has won, his influencers are posting "Her body, my choice." Hopefully that answers your question.
@@reallysomebody Is it the law or something silly people are saying on social media? Do you understand that slavery was the law?
@@ianleslie6971 It's absolutely hilarious that you misspelled his name. It's "Jonathan." Besides not spelling his name correctly, you clearly have never read much less comprehended any JS. Here's a modest proposal for you: learn how to think critically and you might not be so easily impressed.
@davidwurm3308 Oops some body has their head stuck up
In the clouds 🤣😝
Inflation ad nauseam esp where it hurts, food prices, electricity, heating fuel, home improvement labor. Inability to dismantle conflicts abroad-we can't scare Putin. Trying to revive "treaties" that would spell disaster for the USA such as trusting Iran on nukes, the Paris Climate accords, very high crime including violent crime, home invasions & shoplifting made ok, defectation on city streets made ok, housing crisis, too much indoctrination in schools, govt trying to social engineer, election cheating, no bid contracts, insider trading, money laundering, govt agencies that don't protect the public, taking over of parental rights, screwing Title 9, fentanyl & its mass genocide, illegal immigration imposing space & financial burdens everywhere. What is this lady thinking of?
Don’t know exactly what hellscape you live in but I don’t wake up to that in the morning. Inflation is easing and down to a normal level. As far as defecation is concerned the “I alone can save you autocrat” seemed rather pleased that is what happened in our nation’s Capital on January 6. We can definitely improve as always but do we need a Putin/Xi/Pinochet/Orban here?
Vote Kamala so she can bring prices down. trump's tariffs will cost Americans more.
She would shatter into 1000 pieces if forced to give up her delusions of being one of the superior beings. If you need a church, you should be honest and join a real one. But leaving the The Church of Us requires too much humility, and threatens too much loneliness, for most progressives to face.
@@twolford01 God the left is stupid.
@@twolford01 YT deleted my reply to the effect that the left seems, uh, mentally challenged, or at least has a truly remarkable power of denial.
some of us are addicted to the rear view mirror 🙈 is AI a problem ? well when Moses came down from Mt Sinai … climate change ? nuclear war ? well the Kansas-Nebraska act of 1854 😮💨
Why did the YT algorithm fail me and play this?
Half-truths and framing "the story" to be one of "good vs. evil" or "freedom vs. enslavement" which is incorrect.
These same historical figures and people ostensibly "fighting for freedom and equality of men" had zero objections to the territorial expansions and pushing Native Americans into fringe infertile reservations.
The Civil War was about keeping Washington DC hegemony over first the USA, and then territorial expansion into North America, *under* Washington DC hegemony. No peer power (Richmond, breakaway states) was going to be accepted.
The USA was never about "freedom for all." It was and has always been about divide-and-rule.
Any way these pundits can drag out race, ethnicity, and sex - they will.
Does it matter that they lie, knowingly misinterpret or give half-truths? No, not to them. They rake in attention, clout and cash.
But how damaging they are to society. We are better off looking at all facts of a topic, and not just their highly biased and skewed “take.”
I’m from the Netherlands, and it’s very easy to find the official papers of southern states, why they wanted to break free of the union. Very clear, it was slavery. I suppose you’re an American, so I suggest you do the same. Just educate yourself!
@@jannetteberends8730 Cool.
And what was it *really* about for the Northern States?
@@bristolcorvid8894 Yes, paying people to tell a "(his)story" which the masses find appealling, and which soothes the own conscience, while enhancing self-importance (by being "on the right side of history), is an integral part of any divide-and-rule system.
@@ralphbernhard1757 sedition
Boy was she wrong 😂
Trump/RFK/Musk 2024
Ultra Mega MAGA 💪
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Trump for prison!!!
I appreciate logic, but there should be a codified genetic fallacy exemption for anything that Jonathan Capehart is involved in.
So much blah blah ...
Then get outta here.
~55% of American adults read below the 6th-grade level.
We've zoomed right past "Idiocracy" and become the Eloi and Morlocks.
HCR speaks with the moral certainty of a fanatical preacher. One senses she is incapable of appreciating another perspective.
Left wing liberal foolishness
Liberals aren't leftists.
Capehart is such an annoying littl' flamer.
DING DONG, SHE'S WRONG.