@juniorpadilla3886 sorry but I've lived in Cali, Arizona, and Georgia and Arizona is a breeze. The roads are easy to navigate and people drive far less crazy than the other two states Mentioned
Yes, and Waymo literally geofences their taxis into the easiest least challenging parts of the Phoenix metro, which has very easy to navigate roads and it never snows and rarely rains. The Waymo claim of “most challenging” is a lol.
In one day I seen 2 of these cars act crazy. One stopped at a red light then never moved. The cars behind it had to go around once the light turned green. Later another one pulled into a gas station and blocked where you pull in. It turned its hazards on and just stayed there.
If Waymos had 8 crashes in Phoenix where they've operated with roughly 75 cars since 2000, so for about 4 years, then they averaged about 2 crashes per year, or about 2 crashes / year / (75 cars) = 0.027 crashes/year/car. The NHTSA data says there are over 2 million crashes in the U.S. each year (which are almost all involving human drivers). Consumer Affairs says that Americans spend about 93 billion hours on the road. That means the time-averaged crashes per year per car for American drivers is (2 million crashes / 2 cars) / ( (93 billion hours) / (24 hours/day) / (365.25 days/year) ) = 0.094 crashes/year/car, where I'm guessing each crash involved 2 cars. I get that the Waymos in Phoenix have a collision rate about 0.094 / 0.027 ~ 3.5 times lower than average American driving. Did I get that right?
Problem is no accountability. A driver going the wrong way faces reckless driving charges, a criminal offense with potential for a prison sentence. No such thing with driverless cars doing erratic things.
I wouldn't trust being a passenger. One flaw with driverless technology is they're not people. If a driverless car is zipping down the freeway where the car in front quickly swerves into another lane because the driver noticed a stationary vehicle directly in front of them, the driverless car will just plow right into that car. This has happened. I prefer people drivers.
Exactly. The Waymo cars don’t need to be perfect, they just need to be sufficiently better than human drivers such that people are willing to cede control of their cars.
@@MalamIbnMalam Well I will kindly disagree with that statement. I have been following self driving for years, and before V12 I may have agreed. But V12 is a huge leap in capability. What Tesla has built is way beyond what Waymo is doing.
@@thewatcher5822 nah v12.X is good, but definitely not perfect. Waymo despite its woes is still ahead of Tesla. Waymo does not manufacture cars though and Tesla does. As a car manufacturer, Tesla is indeed #1 for self-driving, they have passed Mercedes with their supervised self-driving update which I had the pleasure to test for a whole month. My wife now has the trial in her car for a month.
Nope. No way I would ride in one of those. I'm sure Waymo has their "bean counters" that will determine how many injuries/deaths they can "afford" and still keep making a profit. I know human drivers are not perfect either, but I just can't wrap my head around this.
Most challenging and complex? Waymo cars are literally geofenced to limit them to the LEAST challenging and complex areas of the Phoenix metro to drive in, and the same in SF. Then those areas are mapped with great accuracy and detail, so if it is then colliding with stationary objects while loaded down with cameras, radar, and LiDAR…there is definitely a programming problem.
On average there are 595 crashes per week in Phoenix mostly due to human error. Waymo absolutely still has work to do. But ultimately this technology will be safer and has more benefits than cons.
8 crashes since 2020. Human drivers cause 8 crashes in the Phoenix metro every couple minutes. I trust AI drivers much more than 95 percent of human drivers.
These vehicles use traffic and mapping apps ( google, uber, lyft and propietary) which are INCORRECT some of the time which can and will lead to collisions.
Need stats of how many incidents occur with real life taxi drivers in similar city driving conditions. My guess is it is probally similar to or even worse than driverless taxis. This information is necessary before we start "fearing" this new technology
To be honest am Kinda Shocked Arizona even allowed driverless cars. I mean where am at the only way u can even get one is if u have a Tesla that as full-on Auto Pilot and even then u have to have a Driver Presence even in those cars.
I’ve been stuck behind a broken down waymo at a red light three times. I’ve spoken to passengers who were trapped inside a waymo that circled a block for 5-15 mins. Two ppl told me that waymo took them in the wrong direction and shut down in a bad neighborhood late at night. I had to swerve away from one that almost hit me
NOT FAIR if I get 22 crashes I’d be suspended so why don’t they suspend them? If I had 22 tickets I’d be suspend but cops can’t stop a empty car ans ticket it it’s not fair all tickets should go to 1 license the company has so all these 22 + things b my now on one license would have gotten them suspended
Plus the Wright bros only tried to kill themselves with there invention. I wonder if you can even leave one of those cars if it is driving erratically.
Arizona is in no way a challenging environment for a vehicle. It's actually the easiest environment.
That's for sure. Waymo in Los Angeles could end up being the demolition derby.
Not rally people are very aggressive here in Arizona compared to california
@juniorpadilla3886 sorry but I've lived in Cali, Arizona, and Georgia and Arizona is a breeze. The roads are easy to navigate and people drive far less crazy than the other two states Mentioned
@@juniorpadilla3886where in California? Bay area Californian drivers are the most aggressive and worst in the country.
Yes, and Waymo literally geofences their taxis into the easiest least challenging parts of the Phoenix metro, which has very easy to navigate roads and it never snows and rarely rains. The Waymo claim of “most challenging” is a lol.
In one day I seen 2 of these cars act crazy. One stopped at a red light then never moved. The cars behind it had to go around once the light turned green. Later another one pulled into a gas station and blocked where you pull in. It turned its hazards on and just stayed there.
Robots
It was put on a time out and had to slink unhappily into a corner. Bad Waymo!
This is why driverless vehicles are not a good idea.
They drive better than you
@@pedropica533Pedro go back migrant
I'm sure people like you made fun of the Wright Brothers when they were experimenting with flight.
If Waymos had 8 crashes in Phoenix where they've operated with roughly 75 cars since 2000, so for about 4 years, then they averaged about 2 crashes per year, or about 2 crashes / year / (75 cars) = 0.027 crashes/year/car.
The NHTSA data says there are over 2 million crashes in the U.S. each year (which are almost all involving human drivers). Consumer Affairs says that Americans spend about 93 billion hours on the road. That means the time-averaged crashes per year per car for American drivers is (2 million crashes / 2 cars) / ( (93 billion hours) / (24 hours/day) / (365.25 days/year) ) = 0.094 crashes/year/car, where I'm guessing each crash involved 2 cars.
I get that the Waymos in Phoenix have a collision rate about 0.094 / 0.027 ~ 3.5 times lower than average American driving. Did I get that right?
No.
@@manuelescareno7031 How so?
@@findlisa5 because driving on the freeway its a whole new thing.
I am betting more they are actually reporting. Many I think are not being reported
Problem is no accountability. A driver going the wrong way faces reckless driving charges, a criminal offense with potential for a prison sentence. No such thing with driverless cars doing erratic things.
I'm pretty sure Waymo will be fined or will have their license to operate autonomously suspended if this continues.
I wouldn't trust being a passenger. One flaw with driverless technology is they're not people. If a driverless car is zipping down the freeway where the car in front quickly swerves into another lane because the driver noticed a stationary vehicle directly in front of them, the driverless car will just plow right into that car. This has happened. I prefer people drivers.
No injuries reported … no fatal accidents.
Still better than 1/2 the drivers on the road
Was about to say exactly the same thing😕 These people drive crazy out here...
Exactly. The Waymo cars don’t need to be perfect, they just need to be sufficiently better than human drivers such that people are willing to cede control of their cars.
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And even tho Waylon crashed its new a very new system but humans on the other hand crash all
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The reason why they focus on PHX area is that there is little rain to cause higher crashes and make it look like they are safe.
Fricken car insurance rates will be unaffordable
About 18k CRASHES / DAY 😮 150 crashes/ hour IN USA. Waymo is doing pretty good so far
And that's with all that redundant tech aboard - cameras, lidar, wonder how many accidents if they only used cameras like that other car company.
The other car company that does it worse lmao. But you won't hear about them because when they crash the drivers at fault not the car.
You obviously don't know much about the progress Tesla is making. They are almost certainly leading in the race to autonomy.
@@thewatcher5822for car manufacturers yes, but not in overall self-driving. Waymo's tech is still better than Teslas (and I'm a Tesla owner).
@@MalamIbnMalam Well I will kindly disagree with that statement. I have been following self driving for years, and before V12 I may have agreed. But V12 is a huge leap in capability. What Tesla has built is way beyond what Waymo is doing.
@@thewatcher5822 nah v12.X is good, but definitely not perfect. Waymo despite its woes is still ahead of Tesla. Waymo does not manufacture cars though and Tesla does.
As a car manufacturer, Tesla is indeed #1 for self-driving, they have passed Mercedes with their supervised self-driving update which I had the pleasure to test for a whole month. My wife now has the trial in her car for a month.
Forget the car let's talk about the idiots that would get into a car without a driver
Nope. No way I would ride in one of those. I'm sure Waymo has their "bean counters" that will determine how many injuries/deaths they can "afford" and still keep making a profit. I know human drivers are not perfect either, but I just can't wrap my head around this.
i can see letting these companies regulate themselves has worked out great
Yep, just like it did with Boeing.
Skynet is testing us…
I was thinking Maximum Overdrive myself.
Fed Auto regulation in Arizona.
People are naive modern day cars can be hacked into these are probably more vulnerable
I’ve seen people just messing with probably causing the crashes
Most challenging and complex? Waymo cars are literally geofenced to limit them to the LEAST challenging and complex areas of the Phoenix metro to drive in, and the same in SF. Then those areas are mapped with great accuracy and detail, so if it is then colliding with stationary objects while loaded down with cameras, radar, and LiDAR…there is definitely a programming problem.
On average there are 595 crashes per week in Phoenix mostly due to human error. Waymo absolutely still has work to do. But ultimately this technology will be safer and has more benefits than cons.
8 crashes since 2020. Human drivers cause 8 crashes in the Phoenix metro every couple minutes. I trust AI drivers much more than 95 percent of human drivers.
They don't go in the high way
My question is, is the Waymo learning from the surrounding drivers?
How do they get venture cap for these ridiculous projects?
You can see the Waymo that was following a landscaping trailer with the tree it was dodging that moving tree on the trailer.
These vehicles use traffic and mapping apps ( google, uber, lyft and propietary) which are INCORRECT some of the time which can and will lead to collisions.
All of this is happening and they're still able to fulfill 50k rides for customers each week?
How many driverfull cars crash everyday?
AI cars are the laziest thing ever invented. Just move your foot up and down and drive yourself.
Still trust them on the road more than real drivers. Huge company like Google will avoid a lawsuit any way they can
Need stats of how many incidents occur with real life taxi drivers in similar city driving conditions. My guess is it is probally similar to or even worse than driverless taxis. This information is necessary before we start "fearing" this new technology
Remembering once again how no one asked the residents or voters if we WANT to be test subjects for this. I don't trust these things period.
Go figure, technology can't beat most human brains lol
I saw one brazenly run a red light last week.
To be honest am Kinda Shocked Arizona even allowed driverless cars. I mean where am at the only way u can even get one is if u have a Tesla that as full-on Auto Pilot and even then u have to have a Driver Presence even in those cars.
Road hazard. They need to be banned.
OK. 8 versus how many human-caused accidents within the same timespan?
I’ve been stuck behind a broken down waymo at a red light three times. I’ve spoken to passengers who were trapped inside a waymo that circled a block for 5-15 mins. Two ppl told me that waymo took them in the wrong direction and shut down in a bad neighborhood late at night.
I had to swerve away from one that almost hit me
The cars are starting to drive like humans..lol
I think i saw that on the Jetsons once lol
They need banned period , the stuff is not safe and this is not a sci-fi movie
I agree but I mean it’s not like humans don’t crash as well
But when humans crash they can be held accountable. If you run a red and kill someone you may go to jail. If one of these does, who does the time?
NOT FAIR if I get 22 crashes I’d be suspended so why don’t they suspend them? If I had 22 tickets I’d be suspend but cops can’t stop a empty car ans ticket it it’s not fair all tickets should go to 1 license the company has so all these 22 + things b my now on one license would have gotten them suspended
Waymos saying if everybody else drives like A holes then why can't i 😁
they need 5 years of real world testing and development
Hey, Uber has been around since 2009. That didn't really catch on at least where I am from in Los Angeles until around 2013 or 2014.
😂😂😂😂😂😂...and you want me to put a chip in my body? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂I don't think so!
I have seen those in California. I don’t like them
ok so waymo hates towtrux cool
Why cant they try in india, there is no value for human life. No law and order as well. It will be easy to test there😂😂😂
Robotaxis = pipe dream
Tesla will likely be operating their own service somewhere in America next year. The progress they have made recently is huge.
Looking at the comments, Jesus Christ people! I'm sure glad that the Wright Brothers didn't have the same hope and persistence as you guys.
At least the Wright brothers created something new instead of disruptive technology.
Plus the Wright bros only tried to kill themselves with there invention. I wonder if you can even leave one of those cars if it is driving erratically.
My phone be hitting dead spots all over gods creation. I said early on this wont work. Unless designated roads are set up.
Like to see it work in a snow storm instead of the desert